Bleass Voices: The Ultimate Plugin for Vocal Effects and Creativity
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2023
- Finally a plugin you really need. @BLEASS Voices is multiple plugins in one, it uses MPE, works in real time and has a touch screen friendly interface.
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this is super awesome!!!!
I was watching the first part of this, thinking "hmm, yeah that's quite a nice plugin". Then you switched to the performance tab and MPE, and suddenly I wanted to buy it! :D
i love BLEASS
There's a name for something like this. It's not a Vocoder and not (just) a pitch correction tool. It's a harmonizer. But it's the first harmonizer I'm aware of with low to none latency. I think the one from Antares has something like 350ms, wich is completely unusable for live situations.
A harmonizer in audio is a type of electronic device or software plugin that creates harmonies of an audio signal based on the original pitch. The harmonies are typically based on musical intervals, such as thirds, fourths, or fifths, and are usually pitch-shifted versions of the original audio. The harmonizer can add multiple pitches to the original, creating the impression of several voices or instruments playing in harmony.
Harmonizers were originally hardware devices used in recording studios, but now there are many software versions available that can be used in digital audio workstations (DAWs).
Harmonizers are often used in music production to add depth and richness to vocals or instruments, but they can also be used creatively to produce unique sound effects. They can be used in real-time for live performances, or in post-production during the mixing and mastering process.
Hey… awesome video… have had this app on iPad for a bit but haven’t figured it out… still more to learn but Thankyou… I couldn’t hear which app you were using as your midi keyboard and I would like to find it and try it out…. How is the latency and do you know if I could use it wired from one iPad to another iPad
Had my first use of this plugin on a new track tonight. At first I was a bit frustrated because I couldn't seem to get rid of the unprocessed vocal. I came back here to watch again and quickly realised my mistake: I only wanted to play chords using my voice as a timbre, but I had "voices" enabled, which lets the original audio through as well. I forgot that I only needed MIDI switched on to do that. Problem solved. Thanks!
yes!
This is indeed a very awesome plugin with a lot of potential. Can't wait to demo it. Thank you for this video! What's the mpe keyboard you're using there?
the sadly discontinued sensel morph :)
@@PolarityMusic Thank you!
@PolarityMusic Very sadly discontinued, and so damn cool. Insane they discontinued it.
U always look like u just woke up :)
Nice, as I now saw what Synthplant2 is capable of I ask myself, if you could do by the same approach with this incredible Synth... anyhow nice vid. Thanks!
Nice...
Thanks for the great video. What MPE keyboard are you using? Thanks.
sensel morph :)
@@PolarityMusic Thanks. The morph is discontinued. Have you used other MPE keyboards that you can recommend?
i used other ones like osmose but the sensel is still my fav
@@PolarityMusic Thanks 😀
so it's an auto Jacob Collier plugin, but you don't have to sing specifically into it.
cant you do this with bitwig multi sample?, also is this better than Ovox coz i have that... Sorry if a stupid question, I am trying to learn so much as fast as possible:) Does sound good though
Hey man, that is neat. The absolute mode seems quite similar to a vocoder with a pure sine carrier at a set frequency, followed by a pitch shift. Am I thinking about this right? The MPE support looks really nice!
Hey talking about plugins, I stumbled across APU Loudness Compressor. It is really cool. Worth checking out for sure.
Also, nice color grading 👍
yea youre right is probably a vocoder with a sine as carrier!
Nope, on their website they're explicitly talking about pitch shifting. Pitch shifting and vocoding are not the same thing. In both cases, you can bend the pitch of your voice (or something else) towards a certain target, but a similar effect does not mean it's the same thing. With vocoding, you also change the tonality and all the overtones. With pitch shifting, as long as you counteract with formant shifting, you only change the pitch but not the overtones.
Vocoding with a sine wave as a carrier also wouldn't make much sense, to begin with. A sine wave has no overtones. But vocoding is all about taking the overtones from the modulator and using them to modulate the overtones of the carrier. In a sine wave, there are no overtones to modulate. For the same reason, a sine wave as a modulator wouldn't make any sense. No overtones you could use as a modulation source.
This plugin is also a pitch correction tool. That means it gotta have some internal pitch detection. (By the way, pitch detection usually is what is causing the latency. I guess to achieve a 0ms latency, they just work with old values from the pitch detection and you will get short artifacts for the time the latency would be when the pitch of the incoming signal changes.) When you know the pitch of the incoming signal and you have a target pitch, you also have the difference between those two values and you know how much you gotta pitch the incoming signal up or down. No vocoder is needed.
Pitch shifting and vocoding are indeed different techniques used for altering sound. While both can change the pitch, they do so in distinct ways and can yield different results.
Vocoding, as you rightly mentioned, involves combining the spectral content of one sound (the modulator) with the envelope of another (the carrier). It is commonly used to apply the "musical" aspects of a sound to another, which often results in a "talking instrument" effect. You're also correct that using a sine wave as a carrier or modulator in a vocoder would be largely ineffective due to the lack of harmonics to modulate.
On the other hand, pitch shifting changes the pitch of a sound without changing its duration. A pitch shifter adjusts the pitch by a certain number of semi-tones or cents, while preserving the formant characteristics of the original sound. Formant shifting can be applied in conjunction to maintain a natural sound when pitch shifting vocals.
The process of pitch shifting does indeed require pitch detection. As you rightly pointed out, pitch detection algorithms are typically the cause for any latency in pitch correction tools. Advanced algorithms and techniques have been developed to minimize this latency and the artifacts caused by it, although there might be limitations depending on the complexity of the signal and the processing power of the system.
I apologize for any confusion caused, and I appreciate your detailed explanation on the differences between pitch shifting and vocoding. It is an important distinction for anyone interested in audio processing and manipulation.
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Do you think this voice tool might work with guitars? I was watching a video with Holdsworth with the Synthaxe and he had an analog breath controller that he used to tweak some synth parameters (probably a mix knob between two synth sounds).
But it would be interesting if perhaps an analog guitar tone could come into Bitwig and have a microphone vocal sound go into it to do some type of FX with it. Since I guess a Breath midi controller isn’t very cheap.
Internally pitch correction or formant shifting is "just" doing some pitch detection to get the root frequency to then determine how much it has to be pitched up or down and how big the grains (granular synthesis) should be.
You can do pitch shifting without pitch detection but the quality will be worse and you can't do any formant shifting without pitch detection.
The algorithm will only detect ONE root frequency, so doing it with a guitar should work fine as long as you play it completely monophonic. So you also have to mute strings before you pull another one. I'm not sure what would happen, but playing chords might only detect the root frequency of the lowest note, pitching the higher notes out of scale because the same pitch value is used, or the result of the pitch detection might jump around uncontrollably because the algorithm is just confused.
Melodyne showed that polyphonic pitch detection is possible, but they're not doing it in real-time. Doing that offline (not real-time) already was a big deal, doing it in real-time gotta be way harder if not impossible without a lot of quality loss or a huge latency (which wouldn't really be real-time).
Something you could do is use/buy/build (I have no idea if that already exists) a pickup which gives you six outputs for the six strings and then process them individually. But there might be some crosstalk between the strings, making the signal not purely monophonic. I guess that should get better when you bring the pickup closer to the strings.
You're absolutely right, pitch correction and formant shifting involve the initial step of pitch detection to determine the root frequency of the input sound. Then, based on this detected pitch, the signal is processed to adjust its pitch or formant.
In a simple system, as you mentioned, chords or polyphonic signals can confuse the system, as it may only be able to detect and process a single fundamental frequency at a time. When multiple pitches are present, the system might just pick up the loudest or lowest one, or it could become erratic.
Melodyne's polyphonic pitch detection indeed was a big innovation, and they managed to accomplish it in an offline context. Real-time polyphonic pitch detection is a more challenging problem due to the complexity of separating and accurately identifying multiple pitches concurrently, which could potentially lead to quality loss or latency issues.
The idea you mentioned about a multi-output pickup is interesting. This could indeed help isolate individual strings of a guitar to better manage the processing of each string's signal separately. However, as you also pointed out, there could still be potential challenges with crosstalk between the strings, especially if they are resonating sympathetically.
Research and advancements in this area are ongoing, and it's likely that we'll continue to see improvements in real-time polyphonic pitch detection and processing technology in the future.
Is it max 4 voices even with the MIDI mode? Even just one more would be better so you could do the standard bass left hand and 4 voice chords on right.
no its 4 voices default and then midi is on top. up to 12 in total
LOL time to dust the touchscreen 😜
kooll beanz
GG
what is that touch screen you have?
some random dell kit.co/polarity/polarity-music-kit
octa/quadra vox by eventide is pretty similar no?
i guess, but eventide uses iLok afaik and double the price. not sure about the quality. so depends
@@PolarityMusic Fair points! I picked up quadravox today for free through Plugin Boutique but haven't tried it yet. A code was sent out to members of loopcloud and the code could be used multiple times. Didn't know about it at the time tho so now I feel kind of guilty about snagging it.
I like their plugins but i recenlty bought their granulizer and that thing sucks!
Too many granulizers out
Can i change my voice into a womans voice? Is it possible to sing without pressing keys?
I thought your voice sounded nice before you turned the plugin on