You should play the same song on each so we could see the difference. Right now we are only more attached to specific melody. Maybe you see the difference as professional but common people are confused when melody is changing.
Acredito que o mesmo possa se dizer das marcas de accordeon. É claro que a quantidade de baixos e registros já e um grande ponto a se observar quando o assunto é qualidade, entretanto um acordionista experiente consegue discernir instrumentos de qualidade, apenas pela sonoridade e harmonia de baixo-teclado. Assim como pianos, há marcas que se destacam, destaque para a marca Scandalli que é mais internacionalmente conhecida.
0:01 La Campanella Liszt (Paganini's adaptation) 0:19 Hungarian Rhapsody no 2 Liszt 0:33 Polonaise in A-flat major, Op. 53 Chopin 0:55 Nocturne for Piano No 1 in B Minor, Op.9 Chopin 1:16 Turkish March Sonata No. 11 in A major Mozart 1:37 Pathetique movement 3rd Beethoven 2:00 Nocturne No. 20 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. posth Chopin 3:11 Andante spianato et Grande polonaise brillante Op. 22 (I'm not sure if this is the song that's causing the trouble.) 3:23 Piano Sonata No.211 In C Major op.53 Beethoven Waldstein 3:43 Clair de Lune - Suite Bergamasque Debussy 4:42 maybe this song is Chopin?
Love all the different piano sounds and they sound more magical with the better piano`s, thanks for doing this video, and i am from Norwich, Norfolk. UK. I only had 6 hours of piano training. So to watch anyone playing a piano, is Angelic to my soul. THANKD AGAIN
I preferred the inexpensive 😉Steinway. It wasn't as clear as it could be, but there is a crystalline clarity in a good Steinway that makes each note like a little jewel.
same thoughts but i think its because of sustain pedal usage, piano sounds a lot better with sustain. It's curious how some pianos have a very dinstinctive pitch like the pleyel.
😕Ohne bösendorfer? Da sehen sowohl Steinway, als auch Yamaha blass aus. Schade das hätte mich interessiert. Wir hatten in der Wiener Staatsoper beides als Stagepiano. Das Yamaha hat die Reisen zu den verschiedenen Tourneen, zb Japan, weit besser vertragen. Aber geklungen hat der bösendorfer Flüge weit besser. Meiner bescheidenen Meinung nach. Ist halt viel Geschmackssache und der Pianist muss sich halt auch auf dem jeweiligen Instrument wohlfühlen damit er auch das Potential des Instruments hervor holen kann. Und ja der Unterschied zwischen eines Honda und einer Insel ist eindeutig ein sehr guter Vergleich 😂😂😂 Vielen Dank für dieses aufwendige, tolle Video.
@@or6h yes, however given the fact that 2,000 to 4,000 dollar acoustic pianos can be hit or miss it is very hard to find an acoustic piano for a few hundred dollars without need several more dollars to get them up to par. Not unless it's well taken care of, and the owner desperately wants to get rid of it🎹🎶
They all sound beautiful when you play them Lord V. I play a $200 Alesis keyboard, but I did play a $12,000 Yamaha at Costco. I like that the most expensive piano Fazioli sounds Italian. 🎹👍
I always appreciate your particular genius for illustrating the points you are trying to make with the exactly correct comparative analogy. Well done! The piano playing was pretty good too! Bravo!
The difference matters more when youre actually playing it, cause the quality of the piano affects how well it responds to how youre trying to play it. Which in turn makes it sound better
Seriously, The difference is amazing! of course your playing is also. From my perspective it's at the >$13k value that the quality of the individual notes begins to sound beautiful. Really surprising that this comes through in the recording. Nice job!
You know the cheap Yamaha isn't a piano, it's a keyboard xD. The other one wasn't a CFX I don't think unless I didn't read the caption correctly, sounded like a C7.
@@katrinat.3032 The Yamaha grand and the Estonia I think are the best out of the bunch, mostly because they were actually in tune, didn't have action noise, and didn't have dead treble tone.
@@_Minos I just assume you thought it had some funny cover inside or something xD Most people these days can't tell. That thing is only playable to its fullest extent with headphones on.
This was one of my favorite concepts from your channel and its so good that you brought this concept back ! and its nice that you gave as an price equivelent a sony a9miii which is also one of my favorite cameras plsase give in the next videos as equivelent cameras as well .
Мне послышалось, что дешевая Yamaha играет лучше всего. Слушаю на проводных звуковых мониторах и полноценную звуковую карту. Если учесть, что я учусь играть на детском Casio SA-78A, всё звучит превосходно по сравнению с детским пианино моей дочери))
Очень хорошо слышна разница между цифровым роялем и акустическим, а между акустикой разной ценовой категории не так ощутимо. The difference between a digital grand piano and an acoustic one is very clearly audible, and the difference between acoustics of different price categories is not so noticeable.
Interesting that Yamaha Pianos have similar characteristics to their euphoniums: Very Bright and Clear. Not my personal favourite for most pieces, but it has its place. Were you ever able to try a Bösendorfer? How'd you like it?
I liked the $200k Yamaha the best. But so much of it depends on the tuning, the song selection, the talent of the pianist (not in question here), the acoustics of the room, the method of recording, etc. When I was a kid learning piano, my parents bought me a $1,500 refurbished Kawai, and I still love it, though the touch is so light it's a bit difficult to go back and forth to a grand piano.
@@PiotrBarcz I don't really know anything about pianos, but the title of the video was, "Can You Hear The Difference Between Cheap And Expensive Pianos?" and to my ears the sound of the digital Yamaha in the video was great. So do you think in the video they recorded the sound directly from the output jack instead of just using a microphone? Or does it just sound worse in person? Or maybe my untrained ears just can't distinguish good piano from garbage?
@@vulpo It wasn't recorded with a line output unfortunately, it's really just that the other pianos were such garbage that it's not hard to be impressed by the keyboard xD
Yes you also have to consider people are listening to this threw speakers of varying quality, and the fact that not all those who listen to this play piano so they mostly judge by price🦊🎹🎶
Limited by your recording microphone, I can hear a difference between the low end and middle end pianos. I'm no professional piano tuner, but the response (key to sound) is less crisp on the low end, and the tri-tones that make up the note seem more "muffled", less harmonious, but usually that is a tuning issue. It might be the low end pegs just don't hold true or slip over time faster than mid and high end pianos, or the alloys of their strings are less robust and more prone to wear and stretch (they are under a LOT of tension). Usually the obvious big difference between low and mid tier pianos is the felt pads on the hammers. Low end pianos have a lot of variety - too soft, too hard, etc. Mid tier gets the Goldilocks - the felt is just right. High end? No idea, but I guess they are the same as mid-tier in construction but use fancier woods, more material, and sometimes unique (and crazy) style - like that gold planted piano Vinheteiro played in... Seattle? And that weird one that looked like Lego roof peices. As for the high end, well, my ear isn't enough to hear the difference. But then I'm an engineer so I approach it from a "cool, how do pianos handle the tension and compression stresses?" point of view.
Most of the pianos here are utter garbage as they stand. Most of them hadn't been tuned in what sounds like months, nor had they been voiced or regulated. The Yamaha CFX and the Estonia are the best pianos in that whole bunch from a technical standpoint, perfectly voiced, perfectly tuned, and NO ACTION NOISE.
Eu, pessoalmente, não tenho a habilidade de diferenciar um piano do outro... achei todos mto legais e mto bem tocados por vc! Especialmente Claire de Lune, acho essa música lindíssima!!
Having played several pianos, there is a large variation even within brands and ranges. Having had 4 pianos in my lifetime I retain my 1925 52” Broadwood upright and have recently added a 1983 Yamaha U3 M to the stable. The Steinway and a very clapped out cheaper instrument were disposed of. I agree with the gentleman above, it certainly is a case of diminishing returns. Yamaha is bombproof and a good tech can keep it going years and parts are readily available. I tried the Bosey 280VC and loved 😍😍it but ££££££££££££££££😍😍. There’s a particular Steinway model C I’m partial too also.
Very interesting! I like best the 220 000 Dollar Steinway!, the expensive Yamaha Grandpiano and then surprisingly the Digital Grandpiano of Yamaha I liked more than all the other acoustic pianos. I listened with good headphones.
Next time, make the "value" not equal to the absolute value, but relative to how fancy it is on the piano market. For example, a really top tier piano would be a fully decked out PC workstation, an upper-good value piano for the average guy might be a macbook air.
@@PiotrBarcz You're right! And yet it sounds SO much better than the other pianos near it in price. And actually the price listed in the video is way too high. I looked it up. Its MSRP is only $8,799 to $9,999. But I found it as low as $7,999.99 online. Of course, if digital isn't your bag, you can always spring for the CFX and get a truly superb sound with real strings and acoustics.
@@vulpo Oh man absolutely! If you're talking in general then yeah. it outperforms this whole lineup except for the estonia and the few Steinways and the CFX XD
I am surprised that I can hear the difference coming through my speakers and bass box, the old creative set, I got it for free from a workplace many years ago and still use it today. Surprisingly rich on that last one :D
To my ears, the more expensive doesn’t necessarily mean the better sounding. Like that last Fazioli’s timbre doesn’t sound as good as the Yamaha CX before it. There was three grand Pleyel pianos. The least expensive one is the better sounding to me. After those three there was an expensive walnut colour Steinway that didn’t sound nice. The Pleyel upright needed a hell of a tuning and still didn’t really sound good. Those Chinese pianos don’t sound as good as the Japanese or the European ones in question. My favourite is the Yamaha CX. And that digital Yamaha is out the question of course.
Cheaper pianos typically have "bouncy" sort of notes that gives it a lasting resonance while more expensive pianos tend to have a sharper, clearer notes that gives it a fine resonance.
well with profesitional care they have such a slight differents in quality that it sounds like all of them sound pretty much the same for me but my ears arent used to the differences yet
My ears enjoyed the pin sharp tones of the Yamaha $220k, Playel $81k and the electric 2024 Yamaha 👌🏼…that’s as a listener…as a player of the piano, I have no idea as I don’t play. 😁
This was fun and interesting to see and hear - thank you! You play beautifully. My own choices, in order of personal preference (mostly due to the mellowness/warmth I hear in their tone) would be the Kawai, then Yamaha, then Fazioli. I'm curious as to which pianos you prefer. Also, have you ever played a Bosendorfer?
feels like some of the pianos no matter the price does better on lower or the higher sounds compared to eachother, or does it have to do with the song and how it should be played etc, dunno. In the end, cant argue in the end i can totally tell the difference for high quality
Every time you post these comparisons my untrained ear can pick up the difference between the cheapest pianos, but once you get into the expensive ones they all sound pretty much as good as each other aside from the nuanced differences every piano has. I'm sure UA-cam audio compression is also mangling it.
He's really focusing on this one. You can tell because he's looking down at the keys and not glaring at us menacingly. 2:02 Oh wait, he just had to focus because he was on those cheaper pianos. I'm happy now.
There are indeed differences in sound quality, as long as the recording technology allows it. The more expensive the piano, the more expensive the microphones need to be. It is not possible to judge the quality of the pianos properly without perceiving the room sound.
Ah po... mas comparar som de acustico com digital não dá né... E eu sei que, além evidentemente do quarto piano, o primeiro também é digital (o que muitos não vão notar). Digital pode ter o som que você quiser... até de outros instrumentos... não sendo portanto uma comparação válida.
Do they feel differently when you play them? I'm curious now what makes them sound differently. I don't play any musical instrument but enjoy listening to you play.
I can't talk about crazy expensive ones, but I've played on a few different pianos (at least for a few minutes) and yes, they can feel completely different. Sometimes it's more minor, other times more distinct. They can be much more or less responsive, feel much "quicker" in terms of a good repetition. Some require you to put in a lot of work and strength for a loud sound while others sing openly the moment you touch a key. They're really just like people. No duplicates.
Yamaha CLP795GP sounds like the best value out of these, and I really like the way it looks, with Pleyel after it. That said, the way that Yamaha CFX sounds, is on another level. Didn't have any muted ranges and the sustain was the best. Moreover, the volume and clearness of each note was among the best I've ever heard through my headphones. Seen those made in a factory tour I believe; Might have been Business Insider or How It's Made.
...Yes? I mean, if I'm listening closely, maybe. Often the sound differences seemed more related to the arrangement of the piano (upright, grand, etc.). There MAY have been two minor things I became aware of: first, there was a "dip" in the middle prices in the harshness of the key strike. The keys restored their attack as we get into the ultra-expensive again, but perhaps with less mechanical noise. Second, I think but am not 100% certain that the pianos had warmer, deeper bass resonance as we added to the price. I'd have to hear the same low-register runs on each to be 100% sure. Of course there might be more differences audible in person vs. a compressed UA-cam video over a home stereo system, and I'd wonder if they FELT different, playing them... but to me a lot of the high prices are just for prettier finishes. I've never listened to a recording of an acoustic piano and thought, "that sounds cheap." Thanks for a fascinating video!
Beyond a certain point, it becomes less about the way it sounds, and instead is about the way it plays. The more expensive ones are smoother to play. Like, the keys don't have that 'choppiness' to them. It is easier to switch from a fortissimo to a pianissimo because the effort to press the key is linear...
for me its the Steinway but Yamaha comes close to what I think the perfect piano sounds like. It is all a matter of personal taste. Please note that recording a piano well is hard and the acoustics of the direct surroundings also play a part. So comparing based on this video is almost impossible. Steinway being my favorite comes from years of experience working with all kinds of pianos in different situations. Still at that top level of grand pianos personal taste comes in play also. Combination of warmth and sparkle. How different tones resonate to each other. A piano is such a different instrument then a gitar :)
That 6k Otto grand sounded better than the 6.8k Kawai upright! Also that Pleyel upright was done dirty there, it would have sounded so much nicer if it was in tune. All three of those Pleyel grands were very nice, as was that Yamaha.
You should play the same song on each so we could see the difference. Right now we are only more attached to specific melody. Maybe you see the difference as professional but common people are confused when melody is changing.
You can't _see_ sound differences with your eyes, but you could use your ears :-)
@@ToTheGAMES Fair remark to improve my English
Yes. Right now I'm just enjoying some music rather than any kind of comparison.
I agree with this comment. It's not aggressive or anything. It's just a good feedback. Lord, please consider this
You can't hear it cause you're not having a musician ear. ;) Sound is sound. Don't matter what is being played. ;)
Maybe 30 years ago I could have told the difference, but at 67 I'm happy I still hear it at all.😆
Me at 25: *listen to wonderful music in concert
Me at 50: Louder!
😂
@@TakaD20 Me at 50: Kawai sounds so good! LOL
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Couldn't tell any difference, but the value of your talent is beyond measure.
Issue hear is, I'm listening to all the pianos through my £30 computer speakers. (A bottle of Whiskey)
I agree. I’m using $20 Bluetooth earbuds. They can make anything sound bad!
I'll drink to that!
😂👍🏼i have a cheap China Smartphone 🙈
El primer piano Young Chang suena tan bien como el Kawai o el Steinway
@@marcelopose maybe in your dreams when you are sleeping! Forse nei tuoi sogni mentre dormi !
Con simpatia 😂😂😂
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Acredito que o mesmo possa se dizer das marcas de accordeon. É claro que a quantidade de baixos e registros já e um grande ponto a se observar quando o assunto é qualidade, entretanto um acordionista experiente consegue discernir instrumentos de qualidade, apenas pela sonoridade e harmonia de baixo-teclado. Assim como pianos, há marcas que se destacam, destaque para a marca Scandalli que é mais internacionalmente conhecida.
All of this instruments are simply BEAUTIFUL! All of them! Just only their look gives pleasure to my eyes!
0:01 La Campanella Liszt (Paganini's adaptation)
0:19 Hungarian Rhapsody no 2 Liszt
0:33 Polonaise in A-flat major, Op. 53 Chopin
0:55 Nocturne for Piano No 1 in B Minor, Op.9 Chopin
1:16 Turkish March Sonata No. 11 in A major Mozart
1:37 Pathetique movement 3rd Beethoven
2:00 Nocturne No. 20 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. posth Chopin
3:11 Andante spianato et
Grande polonaise brillante Op. 22 (I'm not sure if this is the song that's causing the trouble.)
3:23 Piano Sonata No.211
In C Major op.53 Beethoven
Waldstein
3:43 Clair de Lune - Suite Bergamasque Debussy
4:42 maybe this song is Chopin?
2.25 Tico tico no fuba
4:42 Chopin - Minute Waltz, Op. 64 No 1
thanks bro
Love all the different piano sounds and they sound more magical with the better piano`s, thanks for doing this video, and i am from Norwich, Norfolk. UK. I only had 6 hours of piano training. So to watch anyone playing a piano, is Angelic to my soul. THANKD AGAIN
I preferred the inexpensive 😉Steinway. It wasn't as clear as it could be, but there is a crystalline clarity in a good Steinway that makes each note like a little jewel.
Yes, I love the high notes on a good Steinway. Sounds like tinkling crystal.
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can you feel a difference between the pianos and grand pianos?
@@Heiksns Only when I swallow them.
@@Heiksns yes you can🎹🎶
e triste que as pessoas então com seus cerebros apodrecidos e não conseguem diferenciar de lixo e arte
That Kawai K8 sounds so warm and lack that ‘sustain sound’ of modern piano has, reminds me of Antique Pleyel!
Yamaha and Steinway model B are my fav.
same thoughts but i think its because of sustain pedal usage, piano sounds a lot better with sustain. It's curious how some pianos have a very dinstinctive pitch like the pleyel.
C. Bechstein best
😕Ohne bösendorfer? Da sehen sowohl Steinway, als auch Yamaha blass aus. Schade das hätte mich interessiert. Wir hatten in der Wiener Staatsoper beides als Stagepiano. Das Yamaha hat die Reisen zu den verschiedenen Tourneen, zb Japan, weit besser vertragen. Aber geklungen hat der bösendorfer Flüge weit besser. Meiner bescheidenen Meinung nach. Ist halt viel Geschmackssache und der Pianist muss sich halt auch auf dem jeweiligen Instrument wohlfühlen damit er auch das Potential des Instruments hervor holen kann.
Und ja der Unterschied zwischen eines Honda und einer Insel ist eindeutig ein sehr guter Vergleich 😂😂😂
Vielen Dank für dieses aufwendige, tolle Video.
Steinway B had some of the worst action noise I've heard on a grand in a long time.
Estonia is like the Steinway.... just so much cleaner sounding XD
@PiotrBarcz i liked the beauty of the wood. Lol
Acho que qualquer rocha em suas mãos vira diamante então não consigo sentir diferença desde que seja você no instrumento.
Obrigado!
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Я тоже удивилась. А вот пианино "Рига" больше не делают.
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I love the Steinway!I played a few years ago!❤❤❤❤
All these are really expensive.
Our family casio was 129€.
@@suomenpresidentti last time I chect the cheapest 88 weighted key Casio was in the 4 to 500 dollar marck🎹🎶
@@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 Used pianos exist.
@@or6h yes, however given the fact that 2,000 to 4,000 dollar acoustic pianos can be hit or miss it is very hard to find an acoustic piano for a few hundred dollars without need several more dollars to get them up to par. Not unless it's well taken care of, and the owner desperately wants to get rid of it🎹🎶
@@or6h Not to mention abused pianos.
@@Nope-r4y at this point it's beter to get a digital piano🎹🎶
They all sound beautiful when you play them Lord V. I play a $200 Alesis keyboard, but I did play a $12,000 Yamaha at Costco. I like that the most expensive piano Fazioli sounds Italian. 🎹👍
Some of the pieces that I have enjoyed the most over my life have been played in this video
Yesssss me too!! I was mostly just enjoying hearing these beloved works being played so well!
The Young Chang is surprisingly, very good.
I always appreciate your particular genius for illustrating the points you are trying to make with the exactly correct comparative analogy. Well done! The piano playing was pretty good too! Bravo!
Os dedos estão bem afiados ainda lordão!! Parabéns tudo de melhor pra sua linda família
The morale is the more expensive the piano is, the more he stares us.
That Pleyel baby grand sounded surprisingly nice
And the talent in those 10 wonderful fingers... PRICELESS!! God, I envy you!!
It's not talent. It's years of training.
don't blaspheme!
What talent ? 😂 he barely has intermediate level
The last one is my favorite and my second favorite was the steinway 145,000 one.I like the lower pitch. Thank you for sharing!
I love Yamaha
The difference matters more when youre actually playing it, cause the quality of the piano affects how well it responds to how youre trying to play it. Which in turn makes it sound better
There would indeed be no difference in sound when you don't play them. I agree!
Have a great day ;)
You play them all so beautifully! The real question is, does quality really matter, if you have such impressive skills?🤔🔍
Thanks! But we need pianos with good mechanics to play a good sound.
@@Lord_Vinheteiro the fact that you played La Campanella on the cheapest one proves otherwise
@@henriquealrs No, because despite being cheap, it's still not a bad piano LOL.
@@henriquealrsHard piece != beautiful sound ;).
@@GakusCrush good point
Eu adoro o ressoar do Cfx da Yamaha, parece um pad, mas honestamente o primeiro piano é o melhor custo benefício
The one you played Clair de Lune on, that’s my favourite.
Me encantó ver y oír esos bellos instrumentos, la marca Yamaha me pareció expectacular y el Lord siempre excelente !!!!.... 👍👍
YAMAHA CFXのクリアな音色が好きです😊
聴き比べ楽しいですね！配信ありがとうございます♪
You are an super piano player👍
Seriously, The difference is amazing! of course your playing is also. From my perspective it's at the >$13k value that the quality of the individual notes begins to sound beautiful. Really surprising that this comes through in the recording. Nice job!
The cheap yamaha, pleyel baby grand 19k, and yamaha cfx were very pleasant to my ears.
Me too, I thought the two Yamaha pianos were the best plus the very last piano
You know the cheap Yamaha isn't a piano, it's a keyboard xD. The other one wasn't a CFX I don't think unless I didn't read the caption correctly, sounded like a C7.
@@katrinat.3032 The Yamaha grand and the Estonia I think are the best out of the bunch, mostly because they were actually in tune, didn't have action noise, and didn't have dead treble tone.
@@PiotrBarcz Oh pls tell me, cause I can't see properly 🤪
@@_Minos I just assume you thought it had some funny cover inside or something xD
Most people these days can't tell. That thing is only playable to its fullest extent with headphones on.
I love seeing how it is that fine pianos are still being made 🎉
This was one of my favorite concepts from your channel and its so good that you brought this concept back ! and its nice that you gave as an price equivelent a sony a9miii which is also one of my favorite cameras plsase give in the next videos as equivelent cameras as well .
Мне послышалось, что дешевая Yamaha играет лучше всего.
Слушаю на проводных звуковых мониторах и полноценную звуковую карту.
Если учесть, что я учусь играть на детском Casio SA-78A, всё звучит превосходно по сравнению с детским пианино моей дочери))
ピアノモデル毎の価格の例えがいちいち面白いですが、音質は整備状態にも左右されると云うことにも気づきました。真新しい弦をよく整備されたアクションと適度な硬さのハンマーフェルトで打撃した音は格別です。
Any Yamaha instrument, piano or guitar, cheap or expensive, gives great value for the price.
Absolutely!
Love my Yamaha DGX670 portable digital piano/arranger worke station🎹🎶
@@PiotrBarcz thing is I only use the piano part. Not the arranger worke station part LOL🦊🎹🎶
Wonderful. Thank you.
Очень хорошо слышна разница между цифровым роялем и акустическим, а между акустикой разной ценовой категории не так ощутимо.
The difference between a digital grand piano and an acoustic one is very clearly audible, and the difference between acoustics of different price categories is not so noticeable.
Interesting that Yamaha Pianos have similar characteristics to their euphoniums: Very Bright and Clear.
Not my personal favourite for most pieces, but it has its place.
Were you ever able to try a Bösendorfer? How'd you like it?
I liked the $200k Yamaha the best. But so much of it depends on the tuning, the song selection, the talent of the pianist (not in question here), the acoustics of the room, the method of recording, etc. When I was a kid learning piano, my parents bought me a $1,500 refurbished Kawai, and I still love it, though the touch is so light it's a bit difficult to go back and forth to a grand piano.
The $12K Yamaha also sounded great.
@@vulpo It's a keyboard played through speakers, sounds abysmal unless a line output is taken from the headphone jack.
@@PiotrBarcz I don't really know anything about pianos, but the title of the video was, "Can You Hear The Difference Between Cheap And Expensive Pianos?" and to my ears the sound of the digital Yamaha in the video was great. So do you think in the video they recorded the sound directly from the output jack instead of just using a microphone? Or does it just sound worse in person? Or maybe my untrained ears just can't distinguish good piano from garbage?
@@vulpo It wasn't recorded with a line output unfortunately, it's really just that the other pianos were such garbage that it's not hard to be impressed by the keyboard xD
Yes you also have to consider people are listening to this threw speakers of varying quality, and the fact that not all those who listen to this play piano so they mostly judge by price🦊🎹🎶
The Yamaha CFX definitely takes the cake.... I would have loved to listen to a Bösendorfer imperial grand.
1:49 I had no clue jet skis were that expensive!
Bem difícil saber usando musicas diferentes. Mas da pra ver que tem uns com o som mais limpo, e isso varia entre os caros e os baratos.
Limited by your recording microphone, I can hear a difference between the low end and middle end pianos. I'm no professional piano tuner, but the response (key to sound) is less crisp on the low end, and the tri-tones that make up the note seem more "muffled", less harmonious, but usually that is a tuning issue. It might be the low end pegs just don't hold true or slip over time faster than mid and high end pianos, or the alloys of their strings are less robust and more prone to wear and stretch (they are under a LOT of tension). Usually the obvious big difference between low and mid tier pianos is the felt pads on the hammers. Low end pianos have a lot of variety - too soft, too hard, etc. Mid tier gets the Goldilocks - the felt is just right. High end? No idea, but I guess they are the same as mid-tier in construction but use fancier woods, more material, and sometimes unique (and crazy) style - like that gold planted piano Vinheteiro played in... Seattle? And that weird one that looked like Lego roof peices.
As for the high end, well, my ear isn't enough to hear the difference.
But then I'm an engineer so I approach it from a "cool, how do pianos handle the tension and compression stresses?" point of view.
Most of the pianos here are utter garbage as they stand. Most of them hadn't been tuned in what sounds like months, nor had they been voiced or regulated.
The Yamaha CFX and the Estonia are the best pianos in that whole bunch from a technical standpoint, perfectly voiced, perfectly tuned, and NO ACTION NOISE.
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Thank you!
Eu, pessoalmente, não tenho a habilidade de diferenciar um piano do outro... achei todos mto legais e mto bem tocados por vc! Especialmente Claire de Lune, acho essa música lindíssima!!
3:48
Essa é de arrepiar, me emocionei.
Having played several pianos, there is a large variation even within brands and ranges. Having had 4 pianos in my lifetime I retain my 1925 52” Broadwood upright and have recently added a 1983 Yamaha U3 M to the stable. The Steinway and a very clapped out cheaper instrument were disposed of. I agree with the gentleman above, it certainly is a case of diminishing returns. Yamaha is bombproof and a good tech can keep it going years and parts are readily available. I tried the Bosey 280VC and loved 😍😍it but ££££££££££££££££😍😍. There’s a particular Steinway model C I’m partial too also.
For most of them yes. How much of the value is in the furniture part? What makes the difference in the sound board?
I think it depends on which tonal qualities you prefer. Which sound better to your ear.
Very interesting! I like best the 220 000 Dollar Steinway!, the expensive Yamaha Grandpiano and then surprisingly the Digital Grandpiano of Yamaha I liked more than all the other acoustic pianos. I listened with good headphones.
For me:
1. Yamaha house in Florida
2. Pleyel used truck
3. Pleyel first class to Dubai
to be honest, the answer is "not really"
the individual playing the piano in this occasion is a virtuoso
Get your tongue out of there AT ONCE!!
Next time, make the "value" not equal to the absolute value, but relative to how fancy it is on the piano market.
For example, a really top tier piano would be a fully decked out PC workstation, an upper-good value piano for the average guy might be a macbook air.
Young Chang pianos manufactured between 1994 and 1996 were famous for their high-quality wood.
Nossa mano, o timbre do Yamaha é incomparável!!
Both of the Yamahas sounded better than any of the other pianos near them in price.
@@vulpo Bro the first one was a keyboard XD
@@PiotrBarcz You're right! And yet it sounds SO much better than the other pianos near it in price. And actually the price listed in the video is way too high. I looked it up. Its MSRP is only $8,799 to $9,999. But I found it as low as $7,999.99 online. Of course, if digital isn't your bag, you can always spring for the CFX and get a truly superb sound with real strings and acoustics.
@@vulpo Oh man absolutely! If you're talking in general then yeah. it outperforms this whole lineup except for the estonia and the few Steinways and the CFX XD
I am surprised that I can hear the difference coming through my speakers and bass box, the old creative set, I got it for free from a workplace many years ago and still use it today. Surprisingly rich on that last one :D
Nossa. Esses yamaha fazem um som de excelência...
It sounded great , the White \ Pink Steinway was my pick
To my ears, the more expensive doesn’t necessarily mean the better sounding. Like that last Fazioli’s timbre doesn’t sound as good as the Yamaha CX before it. There was three grand Pleyel pianos. The least expensive one is the better sounding to me. After those three there was an expensive walnut colour Steinway that didn’t sound nice. The Pleyel upright needed a hell of a tuning and still didn’t really sound good. Those Chinese pianos don’t sound as good as the Japanese or the European ones in question.
My favourite is the Yamaha CX. And that digital Yamaha is out the question of course.
Cheaper pianos typically have "bouncy" sort of notes that gives it a lasting resonance while more expensive pianos tend to have a sharper, clearer notes that gives it a fine resonance.
wow that cfx is out of this world
The Pleyels sounded the best to my ears and the upright was probably my favorite. :)
Really liked that Yamaha at the end.
Same, by far the best instrument in the house.
well with profesitional care they have such a slight differents in quality that it sounds like all of them sound pretty much the same for me but my ears arent used to the differences yet
Sound .. varies on the feel of the song you want to write.
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I've been hearing you on Sirius/ XM's Symphony Hall.
My ears enjoyed the pin sharp tones of the Yamaha $220k, Playel $81k and the electric 2024 Yamaha 👌🏼…that’s as a listener…as a player of the piano, I have no idea as I don’t play. 😁
I need to watch a documentary on what makes a quality piano
Épico, magnífica obra de arte e a imensa excelência do Vinheteiro!
O meu orçamento está mais para Teclado Yamaha PSR 190!
Wonderful to hear these instruments
Pleyel, maravilhoso.❤ Agora a verdade:
Obrigada por compartilhar conhecimento 🎹
The last Yamaha sounded the best out of all of them IMO.
This was fun and interesting to see and hear - thank you! You play beautifully. My own choices, in order of personal preference (mostly due to the mellowness/warmth I hear in their tone) would be the Kawai, then Yamaha, then Fazioli. I'm curious as to which pianos you prefer. Also, have you ever played a Bosendorfer?
feels like some of the pianos no matter the price does better on lower or the higher sounds compared to eachother, or does it have to do with the song and how it should be played etc, dunno. In the end, cant argue in the end i can totally tell the difference for high quality
Every time you post these comparisons my untrained ear can pick up the difference between the cheapest pianos, but once you get into the expensive ones they all sound pretty much as good as each other aside from the nuanced differences every piano has. I'm sure UA-cam audio compression is also mangling it.
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Ah, a lesson in the law of diminishing returns…
@@TheBugkillah depends on the model🎹🎶
He's really focusing on this one. You can tell because he's looking down at the keys and not glaring at us menacingly. 2:02 Oh wait, he just had to focus because he was on those cheaper pianos. I'm happy now.
Well, the CFX sounded the best to me. A richer sound. Although I may have been swayed by the lovely rendition of Clair de Lune.
(per title.. yes, but I only have an electric piano, and acoustic & ele' guitars (bass) to play with. :-p plays with household drums
There are indeed differences in sound quality, as long as the recording technology allows it. The more expensive the piano, the more expensive the microphones need to be. It is not possible to judge the quality of the pianos properly without perceiving the room sound.
There's something about the midrange of those Playels that just didn't sound right compared to the Yamaha CFX or the Steinways.
Grande mestre, nota máxima
that’s crazy I was just watching your other one from last year then I saw this one uploaded 1 day ago
Ah po... mas comparar som de acustico com digital não dá né... E eu sei que, além evidentemente do quarto piano, o primeiro também é digital (o que muitos não vão notar). Digital pode ter o som que você quiser... até de outros instrumentos... não sendo portanto uma comparação válida.
Do they feel differently when you play them? I'm curious now what makes them sound differently. I don't play any musical instrument but enjoy listening to you play.
I can't talk about crazy expensive ones, but I've played on a few different pianos (at least for a few minutes) and yes, they can feel completely different. Sometimes it's more minor, other times more distinct. They can be much more or less responsive, feel much "quicker" in terms of a good repetition. Some require you to put in a lot of work and strength for a loud sound while others sing openly the moment you touch a key.
They're really just like people. No duplicates.
Yamaha CLP795GP sounds like the best value out of these, and I really like the way it looks, with Pleyel after it. That said, the way that Yamaha CFX sounds, is on another level. Didn't have any muted ranges and the sustain was the best. Moreover, the volume and clearness of each note was among the best I've ever heard through my headphones. Seen those made in a factory tour I believe; Might have been Business Insider or How It's Made.
That's a keyboard, not great for technique and certainly not good for playing without headphones.
The CFX nay be the finest grand ever made for the value.
I love all crystal beautiful sounds.
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...Yes? I mean, if I'm listening closely, maybe. Often the sound differences seemed more related to the arrangement of the piano (upright, grand, etc.).
There MAY have been two minor things I became aware of: first, there was a "dip" in the middle prices in the harshness of the key strike. The keys restored their attack as we get into the ultra-expensive again, but perhaps with less mechanical noise.
Second, I think but am not 100% certain that the pianos had warmer, deeper bass resonance as we added to the price. I'd have to hear the same low-register runs on each to be 100% sure.
Of course there might be more differences audible in person vs. a compressed UA-cam video over a home stereo system, and I'd wonder if they FELT different, playing them... but to me a lot of the high prices are just for prettier finishes. I've never listened to a recording of an acoustic piano and thought, "that sounds cheap."
Thanks for a fascinating video!
Beyond a certain point, it becomes less about the way it sounds, and instead is about the way it plays. The more expensive ones are smoother to play. Like, the keys don't have that 'choppiness' to them. It is easier to switch from a fortissimo to a pianissimo because the effort to press the key is linear...
for me its the Steinway but Yamaha comes close to what I think the perfect piano sounds like. It is all a matter of personal taste. Please note that recording a piano well is hard and the acoustics of the direct surroundings also play a part. So comparing based on this video is almost impossible. Steinway being my favorite comes from years of experience working with all kinds of pianos in different situations. Still at that top level of grand pianos personal taste comes in play also. Combination of warmth and sparkle. How different tones resonate to each other. A piano is such a different instrument then a gitar :)
That 6k Otto grand sounded better than the 6.8k Kawai upright! Also that Pleyel upright was done dirty there, it would have sounded so much nicer if it was in tune.
All three of those Pleyel grands were very nice, as was that Yamaha.