Organ Donation Chain Falls Apart | Pure Genius | MD TV
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- A Doctor unethically manipulates a patient into donating her kidney after pulling out of an extensive organ donation chain.
From Pure Genius Season 1 Episode 8 'Around the World in Eight Kidneys' - James and the Bunker Hill surgical team try to make medical history with the largest chain of internationally paired kidney donations ever; Malik and Zoe decide to go on a real date.
Pure Genius (2016) A young tech-titan from Silicon Valley decides to build a hospital with a new-school approach to medicine and enlists a veteran surgeon who has a controversial past.
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An Instagram friend of mine was part of a kidney donation chain a few years ago. She donated one of hers to a man who needed it, and in turn her mother got the one she needed. Luckily it all went smoothly, and when it was all done and everyone was recovered, they all got to meet 😊
That was absolutely coercion, bringing the dying child in to make the woman feel awful for not donating?? That doctor was out of line. Sad part is there are physicians that actually act that way in real life.
she should have been fired and lost her license for this
She was a House aprentice. I see he´s way of doing things still persist
I agree!!
Yeah she needs to be fired jeezus
Exactly!
Suspended? Yes. Fired? Not necessary when punishments exist.
She basically guilt tripped her into doing something she had every right of not doing.
I had an aunt who had kidney failure because she never took care of herself and no one could tell her anything. She was on the kidney list, and by miracle, she made it to the top. Do you know what she did when she got the kidney? She resumed her old habits of eating junk food and chain smoking until she died two years after she got the kidney. There were people like that little boy who needed and deserved the kidney far more than she did. I don't know how she even made it on the list. I hate having to say that about my own relative, may she rest in peace, but that's the way it is. Some people do not deserve second chances when the chances available are limited.
Old habits die hard
Makes you wonder, not just what she was ate, but what was eating her.
my aunt is exactly the same way to the point where neither of her sisters will donate a kidney to her even if they did match because she drinks constantly despite being in kidney failure for years now. they finally shut down recently and she’s on dialysis but i doubt she will ever qualify for a transplant given her drinking habits and her history of drug use. i feel bad for my cousin for having to deal with it but i do not feel sorry for my aunt at all. it was entirely her fault not genetic in the slightest.
For every one like that, there are dozens who are not. My father got a kidney when he was only 32. April 1979. He was still told that he wouldn't live to see 40 years old, see his kids graduate from high school, walk his 3 daughters down the aisle at their weddings, hold his grandchildren. And IF he lived long enough, he would need another transplant in 5 years. He did not drink or smoke before or after his transplant. The doctors were wrong, very wrong. That transplant lasted 34 years until he passed away at only 66 years old. Still too young but much later than the doctors thought it would be. He got to be at the graduations, the weddings, and was at the hospital when 4 of his 8 grandchildren were born. I will forever be grateful to the donor and their family. The only thing we were ever told was that the donor was in a motorcycle accident.
Yeah I agree with the chief doctor. She knew that the chain will break for any reason. The female doctor let her "I need to be the best doctor" complex get to her. Granted I've never seen the show, yet this gives me a reason to dislike the character. I hope the character has like some sort of redemption arc.
I am sorry, but this wasn't unethical. This was downright inhumane. What happens if she is in an accident or gets an illness that damages her only kidney left? What happens if she gets married to someone or has children in need of a kidney? These are risks every donor accepts because, for them, the reason for their donation is as important, if not more, than their future health and life. No one, NO ONE, no matter the circumstances, should be forced (yes, the doctor manipulated her and forced her to donate, or else she will feel like a child murderer) to donate their organs.
Agreed. I think the only redeeming fact is (i believe, could be wrong) that if you donated an organ in the past to a stranger as the doctor called it an "altruistic donor" you get put at the top of the donation list if you ever need an organ transplant. So if she were to need a kidney or any other organ she may be okay. But if she had kids or anyone who needed one that's still a problem of having one less kidney
@@Kay-mc1uj I didn't know that about altruistic donor. Thanks for letting me know.
I do I think that this will just work for situations were she is relatively healthy, let's say a car accident. Priority is given to healthier and younger patients. If she needs a transplant for a disease that have a high chance of return, is infectious or middle to low chances of survival like cancer, she will be push down the waitlist.
I agree!
As Dr. Brockett this is shameful and unethical
As Dr. Adams it’s worthy of being House’s next protégé.
Actually I think Dr. Brockett it acted more like house considering there was an episode of house where he gilded a man to donate his wife’s heart
@@rpgmasters1176 That’s the episode I was thinking of.
@@rpgmasters1176 still if he convinced a man to donate his dead wife heart doesnt make another person die in the process, this woman donating will make her mother die so way more unethical
I would’ve sued/reported that doctor just for that
Suing does nothing but raise malpractice insurance rates even higher than they already are.
Dr. Brockett was completely in the wrong no if ands or buts.
There’s no ‘once in a lifetime opportunity’ that would beat out the one mom I have
Well obviously the daughter agreed since she went with the donation against her mother’s wishes. But it makes sense that the mom would say that because it’s a mother’s instinct want what’s best for their kid even if it’s to their own detriment
@@alex_enbee yea I would just be like “MOM I’d rather have you around than one important event”
@@Meanie74 If this were a real show I imagine thats what her daughter would’ve said to
I think I finally figured out why I have major problems with shows like this Chicago md, greys anatomy. Everyone keeps saying it’s just a show anf it’s not supposed to be realistic but the tatics that the doctors use like this one are very real and are used constantly by abusers. People who tend to guilt trip people tend not to be good people but these shows constantly let these people off the hook for it cause they’re doing it to save a life so it’s totally ok.
No it’s not these people are manipulators and we don’t need to enable them.
Ironically I have a less problem with house probably because while he also does unethical stuff all the time it’s also constantly acknowledged that it’s toxic and people need to get away from him
“I didn’t coerce Lauren.” 🤦🏻♂️
Me: "... Then what did you do? 👀"
@@bumbledyke she didn’t coerce, she bullied
I do not like doctors like Dr brockett. Sure, she has heart, but where is her brain? She needs to drop her agendas and just do her stupid job. I'm glad that he did not let her get away with that. After all, if she got away with that, what else does she think she can get away with? And what if she saved the chain only for it to fall apart again? Maybe they need to find a better way to manage the chain, but part of her job is respecting the wishes of the patient and her boss.
If she doesn’t agree to donate then the next person could be the “altruistic donor” and the chain would only decrease by one and so on and so forth. It doesn’t make any sense to coerce this donor with the idea that everyone dies if she doesn’t do it
You need to match to be a donor, right? She may be the only one they know of who is a match and whose relative is a match to her mom
You could see on the display they had earlier that they are each connected hence named a chain so they already had a pair for each donor and recipient
that’s not how it works, you can’t just get any old strangers kidney, they need to be a perfect match
The dad probably wouldn’t have donated if his son didn’t get one as a chain is the only way to guarantee a kidney for his kid. This might have caused others to back out because the person who was supposed to get the father’s wouldn’t so their relative would also probably back out so the continued domino effect is why the whole chain would break.
Doctors have an ethical code for a reason.
Honestly she should've been fired.
Thats the BEST outcome she could get from this
She should be reported and fired!
Cornering someone this dirty is just a nono
hes right she should be happy to not losing her Jop
Call me whatever you want, but unless my mother was getting a kidney, I couldn't care less about anyone else in "the chain".
xD Why didnt she get tested to see if she an fix the chain
Ok, why do all these people donating organs depend affect her mom? Why is there a chain? I get the pair thing but, all 7 need to work or everyone dies? Can someone please explain?
The idea is that they give a kidney so that their loved one receives one in return. Everyone donating is a match for someone else so they all must agree to it. Without this they go on a donor list and hope that they last long enough to receive a kidney that matches. It’s not necessarily dependent on her mom but she would no longer be receiving anything in return for donating and because of that she may not want to donate anymore. If she does it’s solely for altruistic reasons
Okay thanks.
Never watched this show and I definitely won't now. Disgusting!
Can someone explain why it depends on her & her only????
Okay to be frank that sounds like a really votalie and dangerous game
Okay that's a HIPPA violation!!!
What’s HIPPA?
Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. Basically Hippa is in the medical field, something doctors and nurses swear to uphold. It’s a federal law that required the creation of national standards to protect sensitive patient health information from being disclosed without the patient's consent or knowledge.
She should have been fired!!!
Well, (the female doctor) did SHE get tested herself? Maybe she's a match for the little boy. She go donate it to him then.
If you want to make a medical TV show make sure it's known that death is part of life and there's some things you can't change
They don't have dialysis in this futuristic high tech hospital?
Depending on what the actual issue is, it could be that dialysis is not an option.
These are people in end stage renal failure.
This is the worst doctor ever she always making a fuss about something in another episode she wanted to amputate without even trying to use a different method
She should've lost her job as well!
Says a door dash driver.
@@b2kzangelalwayz A Door Dash driver who doesn’t know the difference between HIPPA and HIPAA 😅😂
@@Dem0nD0ll I saw the other comments too lmao
@@b2kzangelalwayz even tho it isn’t real yeah she should’ve lost her job
@@b2kzangelalwayz I love your user name, btw!
Yea this would definitely never fly in the real world
Kidney donation chains are very common in the UK
House taught her well .
Mother of grief this show is a mammoth dumpster fire.
why couldn't she guilt trip the woman who got pregnant to have an abortion and make another baby later? i mean, it wasn't planned anyway...
Didn't this chain thing happen in another show?
Yea in New Amsterdam
And House, and Chicago MD. And every single medical show lol
And in real life.
Unethical, inhumane, and wrong. The risks are so high anyway, but she should've lost her license, her job, and any potential job in that field later....cause guess what? The ballerina lost her chance to do what she worked so hard for and her mother's life.
She wants soo badly for the lovely lady to donate her kidney but what about her mom!?! She’s saving a life and losing her mom in the same instant. Why can’t she just give her mom a kidney!!??
omg i hated this shes wrong for that
5:43 she is blaming a girl that made it to a royal dance academy and was going to give up on her dream to donate a kidney that would save her mom, no kidney for her mom, whyould she miss that opportunity when another donor just decided to have sex and get pregnant smh.. the blame goes to another person for being irresponsible and breaking the chain
This show is insane, they have the most ridiculous procedures.
I would have given her a 30 day suspension as well. Get the point across.
Where can I see this show? Hulu Netflix?
reminds me of that one episode in new amsterdam
5:15 they can't test for compatibility yet?
6:41 yes you are? but uh
7:20 All the fouettes
7:27 oof
8:40 shhh
I mean, what happens if another kidney chain came up. Where would they get another kidney to join. Yes she saves the boy’s life, but what about her mother’s? Dr Brocket needs to be fired and humbled. She won’t learn her lesson.
What’s show ??
The name of the show is in the title of the video.
...... This is horrible. Trading your internal organs to save your loved one.
Ask the people in real donation chains how horrible it is to not only save their loved one, but to save a stranger.
All alternatives are worse.
So did her mother die?
HIPPA violations
What is HIPPA?
😆 🤣
@@sammy20012004 What’s so funny?
@@Dem0nD0ll patient confidentiality laws
@@Dem0nD0ll you
Is this even legal?
8:45 fire her lol
Guys the kids is rayn toy revews
Drama incarnate
So did her mom not get the surgery ? I’m just thinking there might of been a moment at the end of show we’re we see the mom get it 🤷🏽♂️
She never received a surgery. Her donor was pregnant and having surgery could risk complications of the pregnancy. I also highly doubt they found a donor in time to save the mothers life.
Rules don’t mean jack what’s more important some d*mn rule book that a bunch of pencil pushers wrote on a blank piece of loose leaf paper or our morales or our conscience our senses of what’s right and wrong to be the superhero of the comics and movies instead of the villains etc
you know the next step would be just taking the organs without concent right?
Everyone that is saying that she is bad for this did not watch the show she literally was being begged non stop by the parents and she also saved the mom of Lauren she also solved a problem that would have killed everyone
Was it unethical for her to coerce and guilt the woman into rejoining the chain? Yes, absolutely. But here's the thing. It was equally unethical and immoral for the woman to drop out and break the chain completely. She was faced with a "trolley dilemma". She either continues the chain and only her mother dies, or she breaks the chain and becomes solely responsible for the other 7 patients dying. Her decision was selfish. It didn't matter if it was a 10 year old boy who was getting her kidney or a 40 year old woman. Her choice was still selfish. And she'd still be dancing one last time for her mother either way. At least this way she can look back and know that despite being coerced and guilted into donating she can say that she eventually did the right thing. The guilt was already there. It would have just been a matter of time before she regretted letting 7 people die when she could have saved the chain.
But the patient isn't bound by ethics. And organ donation chains work under the assumption that if I donate my kidney to you, somewhere down the line, someone in the chain will donate their kidney to my sick relative.
She agreed to donate her kidney to save her mom. When her mom's donor fell out of the chain, it's reasonable to expect she wouldn't want to stay in it. She was a dancer and would miss the chance of a lifetime. The recovery time would rob her of the remaining time with her mom. We can be selfless about alot of things. Being cut open and having a whole organ taken out of you purely out of the goodness of your heart might be pushing it for some people.
Let’s be frank here people (let’s the BS as the youngsters would) if the female doctor didn’t do what she did then a 10 year old boy who has his whole life ahead of him would have died and never got to experience life all because of some d*mned technicality I’m so rule book. Not to mention his parents and entire family friends and loved ones would be forever devastated.
Meanwhile in this scenario the daughter may not be well enough to comfort hee mother as she passes, misses a big milestone in her life(this is less important I know but add it up), can't contribute to a kidney chain in the off chance a new one comes up, has to risk surgery for a stranger(which does have risks no matter the hospital), and lastly is at a higher risk if something happens to her kidney.
Morally amazing on the daughter' part to donate.
Morally and ethicly disgusting of the doctor to coerce her, break anonymity, speak to a patient not even her own, and going off that interaction she definetly taught that child to say the right things to make her feel bad.
(Also this is just a show but being a psychology student, it's way better to argue ethics here than on a real case)
Unfortunately that doesnt matter, what she did was unethical and honestly she should get sued for it
lol why would you have sex and get pregnant if you're planning to donate...
2nd ( i think)
3rd actually 🤓🤓🤓
She was trying to save her patient she did a godly thing
I mean, not really. This is cohesion and absolutely against the law, code of ethics, morals and plenty of other things I'm sure and it's absolutely 100% NOT something a doctor can or should do under any circumstances regardless if it's to help your pt or not
While she broke the rules I find it justified, this is a ten year old boy, the life of an innocent child is more important than some ballet competition.
The decision should have been made by her and not the doctor forcing her hand. The only reason why she did it was for her mom to get a kidney.
@@Whitneypyant I understand what you're saying, I just wouldn't personally be able to not do something that selfless for the sake of a 10 year old child. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
This wasn’t justified in the slightest lol. A transplant isn’t just “here’s an organ now you’re good as new” no… there can be serious repercussions including health risks, she could get into an accident and damage the only kidney remaining, she could have complications during surgery, the kids body could reject the transplant and make the whole thing a failure. This is a serious operation with many things to consider, not only is she lucky she didn’t get fired but the fact that she wasn’t sued for malpractice is a goddamn miracle in and of itself
i think she did the right thing she saved the little boys life
Who cares abt the kid its her decision
If she were the kids parent and not a doctor you’d be right
No, she didn't do the "right" thing... she manipulated someone to gave her kidney, and possibly to lose chance of her life, her career. Lauren had a big heart, and doctor-lady used this as advantage.
There is a reason this chain was supposed to be anonymous.
transplant patients' lives are not saved, just extended. it is cruel, but it is the reality. Also, the donations must be anonymous as there is a federal law in the US regarding organ donations. . This was not just a HIPAA violation, but also a federal criminal charge.
She should have asked the pregnant woman to abort that fetus before intimidating the woman's daughter to donate her kidney. That would have kept the chain alive.
You do realize the woman can easily say no right? Assuming they had already asked and she refused. If she really wants the baby, then they can't force her to have an abortion. Especially if this hospital is in a state that doesn't even allow abortions in the first place.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl And, your point is?... Furthermore, do you realize what the word ASK means?
@@tmm6884I think you need to use some critical thinking skills. Since the woman dropped out due to pregnancy, that means one of two things. Either they had already asked her and she refused and they can't force her to have an abortion. Or that they can't even offer it anyway because they are in a state that doesn't allow abortions. If I remember correctly, the woman in question is from Haiti. And abortion is definitely illegal there. If there government found out she had an abortion, even though it was outside the country, she can still be arrested.
It's not that hard to figure out.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl Logic is not your friend, huh, SAPPHIRE.