You still haven’t watched it right. You have to be 5 packs of beers down, a perfect mix of sub and dub, only specific moments, subway surfers and/or GTAV gameplay on the side of the screen.
you forgot to be upsidedown doing a handstand with one hand while eating a PB and J on a Thursday afternoon... then you can say you've truly watched GT
Even though I feel bad at how GT fans were bullied for so long, I still can’t help but feel like they’re overcompensating for their fave show. The Baby arc is the best part of GT, but even then, I think some fans oversell it. Baby is a very decent villain. But when you cross-compare with other arcs franchise-wise, I can’t see the hype. Frieza, Cell and Buu had much more dynamic arcs. Even when you compare to Super, Goku Black ended up being a much more nuanced, three-dimensional and fulfilling take on a similar trope to Baby. The other villain-centric arcs of Super, the Moro and Granolah arcs, felt way more character-building and complex. Idk that’s just me though. For example, I like the Goku Black arc but you’ll never see me pitch it as a top tier arc or anything. People need to be a bit more realistic.
I watched db my whole life and loved it all, but I found to love it more when i rewatched the Orange Brick Dvd dbz collections. They have the japanese subs at the same time as the eng dub, so you get to read/hear the differences immediately.
Bro ur supposed to watch gt while using wwe terms. “OHHHH, Gohan just hit his dad, WHAT A HEEL TURN”. “Damn! Goku came back with a new gimmick called ssj4” “Damnnn, pan is legit just a jobber.”lol OOOOOWAAAAAAAA
He probably just said that because it makes sense to call a new super saiyan transformation ssj4. It’s been stated by guidebooks that ssj4 is just called that for the namesake, but it isn’t at all a sequel to 3.
@@kusakabe3264 U mean the name ? No even that wouldn't cuz a lot of people miss this but golden ozaru is the beast stage , ssj4 is the beast being tamed after conquering the strongest of primal rage not unleashing it . It's described as " When this golden ozaru gains a human heart then the mightiest of warriors is born , Ssj4 , who combines reason with tremendous power ". It's the first ssj form primarily being triggered out of love instead of rage , " beast " doesn't exactly fit .
No through some immense amounts of evidence i've seen the cure for it is this other widespread disease " everyone should be a critic " which is caused by the infamous " smarty pants 🤓 " virus .
@@mugenbattlezNot all of them but some yes and none was worse . Now ik sometimes dub has cooler dialogue but mostly its just butchering dialogue and info compared to that .
From what little GT knowledge I have (because I have not watched the show but rather saw Totally Not Mark’s review of the series as a whole) I will say that GT isn’t really bad in concept. Like the pieces were there to make a really good (non)canon sequel to Z. And I will say that some of the ideas and concepts that were shown in GT are actually good in my opinion. Like Super Saiyan 4, the Shadow Dragons, Baby and the Tuffles, Goku Jr, and some other stuff I can’t remember are all good ideas. It’s just that the writing wasn’t up to par with what Z gave us. Like Super Saiyan 4 and Baby are cool but nothing could compare to scenes like Goku going Super Saiyan against Frieza, Vegeta’s sacrifice against Buu, or even the Father Son Kamehameha against Cell. The bottom line I’m trying to say is that GT could have been something great, some grand even but sadly it suffered poor execution
@@zeldagameryt4018" are my own and what i think of GT " based on the info provided in a not so good review from a person trying to justify their hate of it as a child .
Look , nothing against TNM he's a fine channel in general , but that GT review was not it , when he expressed in gruesome detail the amount of hate he had for it when he watched it as a kid while apparently having let go of that now , only made it clear how much he didn't let go of it . And in the review there were instances of him calling things bad for the sake of it , sometimes doing something like " why is it not like this " but when something later is like it then " why is it not like that " , there was more which i don't remember exactly what but i remember that there was , and just overall sh*tting on it even in the thumbnail like he's doing someone a favor by watching and reviewing it . I don't know why u'd think anyone's review is anywhere near a proper source of info to judge a series especially when u haven't watched it . Not " some " a good amount of things are well to decently executed , with some that are the absolute peak of the franchise and don't only compare but surpass the things u mention from z . Ssj4 is the first ssj form triggered primarily out of love rather than rage , having ssj as a stage then conquering the rage to get stronger instead of letting more out , in treatment comparable to ssj and absolute peak in design , abilities and narrative gaining strength from his home earth , with Pan being the key contributor that finally results in Goku surpassing the past saiyans not just in power that he had been upto now but fully in nature as well , a journey of ssj forms completed well , starting with him having to be angry and now gaining mastery over his primal mind. While that's a more separate description of it without explaining much of its role in baby arc that is placed perfectly . Baby hated the saiyans because they took over his home world and k*lled his people , he swore revenge and in present had turned the strength of the saiyans as their weakness , baiting them into becoming ssj and taking control of them right after which only made his control have a stronger grip without a possibility of getting pushed out by a sudden big increase in power . He mirrored the strongest of saiyans after taking Vegeta's body even using a dark version of spirit bomb on Goku instead that he threated existence erasure with which Goku barely survived due to Kibito kai saving him from a direct hit , he came back after regrowing his tail intending to take advantage of his hidden saiyan potential but still got beaten to a pulp , in a similar situation as baby had been once , his home taken over and people damn near ended since they didn't consider themselves anything but tsufurujin servants of baby anymore . On his last legs once again not being able to think of any way out of this he remembers the life he had lived and the people he had met on earth expressing frustration for not being able to protect it , then he recieves strength from his home planet itself in the form of blutz waves transforming into ozaru with its help instead of a moon like any saiyan him included did before this , combining ozaru with ssj becoming a golden ozaru . After he got that form he became stronger than Baby's mutation of Vegeta and started beating him around , yet he was so blinded by rage he started rampaging around everywhere and destroying things at random losing sight of Baby , who ran away to get his own version of the same form and finish everything. This was the strongest saiyan form yet it couldn't get the job done , Baby had pretty much beaten the things that made saiyans so strong their rage and passion for fighting as well as other things like even the support of people , so what gives ? Ssj4 . Goku suddenly stopped and tried remember something by looking at earth but couldn't quite do it , and got angry at it instead thumping his chest like a child complaining to their parent , but with Pan representing the human side trying to remind Goku of the person he was and not giving up on getting through to him despite him attacking her and pushing her away , eventually Goku was able to remember his identity and purpose through the memory of the happy times they had as a family that was captured in a photo , gaining control of the form in time and conquering the strongest rage with the primal mind due to the desire to protect his friends , family and home while holding his hands up towards earth as if directly gaining strength from it , he transformed into ssj4 screaming at the top of his lungs with chain like electricity forming around him signifying the taming of a beast and earth going red in the background . Baby could only be defeated by this form as its existence proves he was wrong for bringing down judgement on the current saiyans for the actions of their ancestors . He put Goku in a similar situation as Baby himself was in once but even after going through the strongest rageful transformation of the saiyans Goku still overcame it with his human side , outclassing the past saiyans completely in every way possible , showing these saiyans were more than just the barbaric violent creatures baby considered them due to his past with the transformation itself . While Baby had the opposite journey compared to the saiyans , while mirroring their power he ended up mirroring their nature as well , getting more and more unpredictable as he got stronger blasting away his own servants just because they thought he was losing while holding back against an opponent , and not caring about k*lling a lot of them anymore in Golden ozaru as long as he got to hit Goku , ironically the saiyan had become a more human looking creature compared to the past in this fight while the tsufurujin was the maniacal beast , becoming the thing he hated the most . This arc was the ultimate love vs hate as Goku due to being capable of the former went further than Golden ozaru and surpassed Baby who being full of hate got capped at Golden ozaru . Goku once again proved he was capable of becoming more than he was born to be , before through hard work and now through his human heart , but this time by the transformation itself which combined his saiyan nature and human nurture by the roots making an ozaru with blutz waves of the earth and solidifying his identity as the saiyan who is human at heart . Baby arc has one of if not the best narratives in a dragon ball arc and Ssj4 is the best transformation of the franchise . Even though GT is mid at worst overall in quality as in compensating for the bad stuff with the great stuff and just ok stuff with better stuff , it did produce some of the best things and those absolutely do compare to the things u mentioned and surpass them . One thing being true is that things used to feel different with the older and older the stuff was , because more and more of even the minor stuff was newer to us , but that doesn't take away from the fact that when we break it down without being biased to the hype external factors created , some of these things are the greater than the dbz examples u mentioned . Like the starting sequence of ssj4 when suddenly Goku's tail starts reacting when he's looking at earth and slowly his chest starts beating followed with the big impact with the pressure and electricity breaking things around him while his eyes are red and he slowly turns into the golden ozaru , that scene already matches the intensity of the first ssj , the sequence of him becoming baby's nightmare then losing sight of him blinded by rage , calming down for a bit by looking at earth but still struggling and finally pulling through with Pan's help , with the next stage turning into ssj4 scene which had the raw emotion + great symbolism , does surpass all previous forms . Shadow dragons are pretty decent in writing as well , but i feel like u were talking more about impact from those specific examples . Goku Ssj4 upwards Kamehameha obliterating baby's ship with him space while going into the sun is a peak scene , and Universal spirit bomb against Omega who was the perfect opponent for it with the negative energy that emitted from his existence pretty much being a direct opposite of spirit energy k*lling all life around him while in statement threatening the whole universe , basically k*lling the very things that power a spirit bomb . The buildup of a hopeless situation while everyone believed Goku was dead and trying their best to beat Omega , then Vegeta being pushed beside the crater Goku was in then laughing and saying " What the hell are u talking about , u've lost " before passing out , then Goku coming up with the spirit bomb with the japanese GT anthem starting in the background , Goku barely clinging between life and death while taking Omega's hits while gathering energy from the whole universe , in the end Omega's world shattering before his eyes when it's completed and Goku takes his strongest attack like nothing , and finally disintegrates him with the biggest spirit bomb seen so far , these scenes are the peaks of the franchise and are absolutely comparable to the dbz examples in impact.
Literally no reason why when Great Ape Baby shot earth with the super galick gun that it didn’t blow up. One thing that makes no sense in GT is the lack of impact from attacks.
Oh the smarty pants comments are here . He can hold back as much as he wants get over it , no reason implying he wanted to blow up the planet full of servants in the first place . Dbz has had way worse instances than this where it actually doesn't make sense . Vegeta letting all his power out in final explosion only makes a country level fodder explosion . Buuhan ragefully screams and lets his power out in all directions similarly yet nothing happens to earth when he has already torn several holes into alternate dimensions . And literally only thing Baby wanted to do in that scene is make Goku desperate while sacrificing a bit of his servants , he does another one when Goku is in front of earth telling him this one will blow it up if he dodges to make him get hit . He wanted a leverage over him not to just destroy the planet and all his servants on it for no reason .
Just as long as when he watchs the goku vs omega fight all hes gotta do is switch it to dub for that 1 line if you know you know im good@@TheSuperGoober
As a GT fan I am well aware it's not perfect but it's defiantly has some wholesome moments. People that say it's not canon just because Toriyama didn't write it R.I.P are right about the main timeline, but it is canon for the movies/anime continuity. Is there anyone that didn't enjoy the movies just because they are not canon? Now between sub and dub I watched the dub of all 3 first. Some dialogs I actually prefer in dub but I enjoy the sub much more. Now to only the Baby arc is good. To be honest most of the 1st part is trash until G. Rildo/Rild that DEFEATED GOKU! He was cool! Also when the 2 most powerful Saiyans alive starting to fight the more powerful Shadow Dragons it's good also. Until we get to Omega Shenlong that bored me to death.
Nah black star db arc's og db like episodes were mostly fun only a few episodes boring . And Omega shenron was pretty decent and a fitting final villain . What does this " non canon " claim even mean when this much years after this " only canon " new continuity began , Toei still puts GT among the important events of dragon ball starting with the og manga in the trailer of the latest series daima ?
@@humanman9920 First of all I said my opinion. Yeah I agree I meant the episodes with Nova and his brother they were fun for me. Omega Shenlong mostly bored me plain and simple a matter of personal opinion. Some people still give a damn about canon, and true canon is only the 42 volumes of the DB manga. Daima takes ideas from GT but it's too soon to tell how will it go. Indeed in the trailer of Daima they do show that.
@@Spooderman-r6y This is what I said to the other guy. Canon is the 42 volumes of the manga. GT is canon to the movies timeline as it showed movie characters. As I said I don't care about canon I simply enjoying the show.
Daima trailer : Let me introduce myself The official studio this much years after the new continuity is still making sure to acknowledge GT as something that happened in the grand scheme of dragon ball that they show starting with the og manga in the trailer of their latest anime
Tried sub once in DBS. If you watch Beerus introduce MUI goku ultimately in English. Then embarrassingly in Japanese’s. You would go off it. Pretty sure when goku completes UI Beerus’s speech includes the phrase ‘what a guy’ in response to Goku completing fighting…….
This man's chat was just shitting on sub the whole time. It's either this or the awful shit rock music funi pulled out their ass. Y'all tell me what's better lol.
Obviously you should've watched it with subway surfer and gta online stunt race videos next to it. Optionally scrolling through Instagram from time to time. Only way to watch GT big bro
I saw this really amazing video that explains I'm pretty sure all of sub gt. Personally I'm probably never watching that shit because I like english better. But I've never seen gt be explained more beautifully than seth the programmer's GT the honest truth.
1:42 🤦♂️ Bro just watch the series once in sub and then in dub at this point , someone said " whatever makes Pan less annoying " that's just sub by default no questions asked , other than overall dialogue and info messing the dub does , it takes some special level of liberty with her overall character. Again u can watch it however but i don't wanna see no complaining like " oh GT does this bad " for a dub exclusive thing that's just annoying . 7:44 U paused just before it , " I'll let u know as soon as i think of it " overly dramatic zoom in followed up by some bs , hey dragon ball has some fun sense of humor like that . 9:55 And that's why Ssj4 is the best it may not be bald BUT IT'S ABOUT FAMILY . 11:20 Absolute peak , the overall sequence is awesome too but i'm especially a fan of this shot . Chain like electricity around him signifying the taming of a beast while screaming at the top of his lungs and earth going red in the background , it has that raw emotion that made the peak forms of dragon ball what they are + great symbolism . 12:54 Wdym . He is if not even more cuz Goku has embraced the identity of an earthling since way earlier than him , and that's the exact thing taking him further than golden ozaru . 14:12 Sean Schemmel overall does a good job in voicing SSJ4 Goku and when it comes to dub version my only issues with Goku have been the dialogue and info messing not the voice itself mostly . U can pick either in this overall scene although if i had to pick one i'd go with sub cuz when he calls to Bulma in dub it's more calm and not that expressive while in sub at 13:34 he's more like screaming and shows more emotion while giving a better situation is escalating feel . In general i think there are several scenes where sub shows more emotion in this way and grabs attention better while dub can sound pretty monotonous in comparsion to them . 16:16 Bruh people just be saying things because they prefer a voice more in general by default . Here both are equally good at capturing that calm but menacing demeanor . Ok this was a good one no whining about dub exclusives . But one thing , u can't tell whether the whole arc is better in sub or dub by just watching one episode in sub and one in dub comparing a few scenes side by side where its seems about the same . I KNOW for a fact Pan is a different character in dub in black star db arc with some diaogue change for her later too , remember several other instances of dialogue changes in general for the worse throughout the show , like interesting and relevant info turned into some generic banter or good vs evil speech , there is a good chance a bunch of that is in this arc too , one thing i still remember rn is that 10x kamehameha just doesn't exist in dub .
That’s a lot. 💀 last word is all yours cuz gah lee, but here we go: 1:42 bro I HAVE!! Idk why I have to keep saying this to you & you respond as if you don’t care or don’t believe until it’s a full fledge video of binging both. But many viewers who only have seen GT subbed still don’t like her. It’s a popular opinion of her character but if you like her that’s cool lol. 7:44 obviously saw after but it doesn’t really affect the JOKE 😂 the constant dynamic zoom for dramatic effect, let alone the fast one, was gonna be funny regardless. Especially being back to back as an editor it’s just funny. 9:55 being about family does not = best but anybody who don’t like ssj4 is just trying to be different lmao. but best transformation debate is different argument for a different video 11:20 glad you like the moment either version captures it well 12:54 again a JOKE 😂 I’m confident you’re smart enough to identify this. The main thing on my channel is me being a Goku fan, I’m just saying “Goku betta” it’s not to be taken literal. 14:12 i think sub was better but not really because of Goku. Bulma’s dialogue in sub was just better imo. But this goes back to me again saying watch the show how you want, in whatever version. You can complain let alone praise, whatever version you watch 👍🏾 16:16 same as above, either one works. both full clips are good, i don’t really have a side on that scene. To your final comment: buddy it’s been fun debating & interacting with you, I refer to you as the “GT guy” 😂 since it’s the only time I see you comment. But ngl gang respectfully I might gotta stop cuz your main standpoint comes off either mildly disrespectful or just absurdly dishonest. You can’t keep having this main take that I need to watch the series, I keep telling you I’ve seen BOTH versions fully damn near twice atp, and you just 100% disregard the information as if I’m lying.“Watching GT For the first time” or “Watchkng the REAL GT For the first time” would be an instant banger but THAT would be a gross lie. So that’s disrespectful at least to me, the absurdly dishonest part is to subtly imply that I haven’t seen it “properly” until I react to the entire series TWICE again, 1 dub 1 sub, for the sake of comparison. Atp it’s just never a need to have conversation since it’s out of bad faith anyway lol Watching many SSJ4 scenes rn, he just doesn’t scream “times 10!” in dub but it being blue then changing to red is in both. The move for sure exist lol but ultimately bro let people watch the show how they want. It can be your fav but reality is it’s not even canonic to OG DB, the series is made for fun ultimately. Even if it was… it’s Dragonball. The idea someone can’t like a scene in dub more, let alone criticize it, cuz it’s not “real GT”, reeks of a superiority complex kind of take. Again… It’s Dragonball. Let it be fun 👍🏾 if you want to further the debate here the discord: discord.gg/Zrvenj4h
Nah but like, you have to watch it in sub and dub alternating between each single word upside down and you have to look the other way at another monitor.
I think I need to introduce GT fans to something I call “Zack Snyder Syndrome” (self made). It something I do A LOT where you come up with a huge vision for a story, but fail to deliver even the simple things while writing. In other words, even if GT had this vision to create an adventure like og and up the stakes like z, it failed to even deliver basic character development in a compelling way. Even if it has one or two cool concepts, it will always be bad show because of bad writing
" failed to deliver basic character development in a compelling way " And u failed to understand half the words u use while pretending u do . Facts are facts .
GT isn’t exactly bad like it’s not that good but it does have good moments and some changes to the story would be great like Goten and Gohan or Gohan joining them instead of Pan while Vegeta, Piccolo, Goten or Gohan (depending if one of them actually went with Goku and Trunks and maybe Pan) watch over the earth. Adult Gotenks, Goku after the baby arc turns back into an adult or slowly does after the baby arc. Piccolo doesn’t die instead he’s active with the other Saiyans and Majuub. Buu and Uub can defuse from each other from time to time for Hercule. 2 extra arcs where Goku doesn’t leave his family and friends with shenron and they all have a one last big party before cutting to Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr. in the last arc Vegito makes a appearance.
Nope , one plot on earth to not mess with the og db episodes while also showing more dbz like stuff with the other characters . Give Piccolo a fight bro is already stated stronger than Trunks and survived a kamehameha of Ssj Gohan still delivering Goten home , and no need to mess up his honourable death and contribution he still does even after going to the afterlife . It was such a relief seeing him at least do stuff whenever he showed instead being a background babysitter joke Buu saga turned him into . We don't need a compromise on story just extend the show and fit some more of these characters in demand in fights and the story was gold already .
I think the English dub had my favorite quote that I actually think to myself in real life when I’m pushing myself. It’s when Goku gets hit by the Deathball. “No, I can do this. I am beyond this pain.”
Nothing about GT makes me want to lock in and focus on the episode I'm watching. When I watch DBZ or Super it's difficult to walk away from the phone/tv
1:42 Because u were complaining about dub exclusive stuff in that Super 17 video . I didn't say people can't dislike her in sub at all but that dub is simply a butchered version . Not only turning dialogue with any small bit of spite into a 100 but completely changing what she's saying at times to make her hostile to someone . And if anything i've heard people even say the dub has influenced them so much that even after admitting sub version is better they can't get to not dislike her , with the majority either just giving some dub exclusive problem or outright false info to rationalize it doesn't help me consider that opinion being reasonable in itself either , also noticing in reactions of the dub that people rarely find her annoying at the same problems the sub also has , RARELY and most of it comes from the dub dialogue itself so sub is a significantly better version of the character which also is the original . 7:44 " doesn't really affect the joke " really ? This is not some very new stuff at this point , it's a classic way to enhance a joke where a dramatic buildup is being done just for some bs . U may find it funny either way but pretending to build up to something very serious and important like that clearly makes Old kai's response funnier in flow . 9:55 I was just hyping it up there with a joke not making a serious argument for why it is , cuz that's gonna be an essay , mostly about the introduction and its narrative separately as a form as well as its role in baby arc where its first introduced . The design , abilities are awesome too but more of a cherry on top cuz this is what really makes a form great , alongwith treatment . Yeah i know it really doesn't stick with some people and that's all fine their preference but in terms of good to bad i'd give the credit where it's due taking it easy on this default bias against a design and considering what the form is overall . 12:54 Yeah i thought it was but just because it's GT i'm used to people thinking and saying GT Vegeta is the one Vegeta clearly inferior to Goku in every arc so i got doubts . 14:42 Yeah when i say sub is overall better i don't because of that , if the whole show was just like that just some different words pretty much saying the same thing either version would be equally fine to watch so yeah in this scene it goes either way . 16:16 Same Well i recently discovered ur channel with i think it was a dragon ball arc tier list video and didn't really check the rest of stuff although i had a few recommended , i don't really spend much time watching takes anymore this was a reaction so i felt more like watching , but i see u have more stuff i'd want to check out , i have watched naruto although it's been quite some time since i was still watching anything related with it . Tell u what if u intend to react to One punch man i will be the " OPM guy " too . Although Dbz and GT sustain my interest for the longest time something about OPM is similar to dbz kinda simple but strong makes me keep coming back .
Alright my bad seems like i messed up the wording there with " once " but i meant to imply u haven't watched it properly in recent years which i have good reason to think even if u did , not that u lied about anything . I don't care about once twice or ten times . What was in front of me is u saying " let's see if GT holds up " then watching dub which was bound to make problems and it did with u going " oh Pan is just always being like grandpa grandpa it has been 4 seconds and she's already saying that 😭 " if anything that's disrespectful and annoying watching a butchered version of the show and associating it with the original . When u can just put " watching dub GT to see if it holds up " and its problem solved .
Ngl its not just the lack of real lines, Pans voice acting in these are borderline atrocious too. If she had some decent voicing this would be at least tolerable lmao. I defend season 1 Pan cause she at least makes sense. But the voice acting man the voice acting. Its crazy cause both Goku voices really put in work here
Her sub voice is fine . Idk why the english one annoys me a bit , think it has something to do with the tone , but of course character butchering dub does with the dialogue itself .
Gt fans NEVER talk about the bsby saga when talking about the show. This was genuinely one of the best times I've had with a dragon ball arc since dbz. I absolutely adore baby as a villain and especially a saga.
My personal gripe with ssj4. It's an awesome form and I love the aura it has but, what I don't like is how they make goku take all those hits. It makes the form LOOK soft and weak. Other than that, I love super saiyan 4.
I mean, the literal next scene shows those hits were nothing to Goku and he promptly wallops Baby, so if anything it just made him look all the more tanky and raw
@kevo5133 yeah you got a point there, it's just usually when they get a new form they show it off in the most disrespectful way. (the villian being disrespected) like with the ki blasts I was expecting goku to either dodge or reflect them. Him getting blasted into a gut punch was like "damn, he just got a clean play off" lol
@@minato_namikaze160Context matters Old kai established what was really going on to Kibito kai then Ssj4 shows it and disrespected baby in every way possible if u already didn't consider the earlier thing a good amount of that when he's actually this powerful . Tanked RDB no effort when that same thing earlier threatened existence erasure and even by indirect hit caught him from subspace and warped into the sugoroku space , and then the pure dodging and beating.
@humanman9920 now tanking the RDB I loved that. The nasty combo afterwards FUCKING SICK!!! But it's goku letting baby get those early hits off is what I don't like, personally. That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, I'm just gonna accept that GT's gonna be stomped out ad infinitum. Glad people at least give it a shot nowadays, but at this point I'd rather people just spit on it's tombstone and let it rot.
Honestly, i dont blame most GT fans tbh. Their show gets constantly bashed to the point it gets genuinely annoying. Like, we get it, GT isnt the best hahaha, it was funny the first 2,000 times. GT honestly isnt as bad as they say. Its not the best, but to treat it like the plague, i dont blame GT fans wanting their show to shine sometimes And also, i'm not saying you dislike it btw, ik you dont hate GT, you've said it plenty, lol, i'm just saying in general
Super has simultaneously made more people go back and appreciate GT, but alot of people have just doubled down on hating it. Despite most of those haters only having surface knowledge from memes and others opinions without watching and forming one for themselves
@@richborn6700Bad as the Super manga/anime is I can't appreciate GT even with Goku black arc being the story I ever seen in any media because I ain't going to go back and watch it again. They both just as bad.
The Japanese dub was better in both of those Rounds lol I didn't know it was an entire GROUP of people that can't understand emotion from other languages
1:00 And that's good but why is it so hard to understand that the way to watch GT is sub 1-64 , simple no bs no " bu- but there's a dub " . Wait u're saying u watched sub, but then in ur Super 17 video u point out some flaws that are specifically limited to dub . So either u don't remember things so well or u watched the sub so long ago that it doesn't even matter . But either way , WHY CAN'T PEOPLE JUST PUT FAITH IN HUMANITY FOR ONCE WHEN IT SAYS " DUB IS OVERALL A BUTCHERED VERSION OF THE SHOW " .
Why do GT fans not wanna recommend the best parts of each arc??? Baby is peak & better than 90% of Z But the ENDING?! After Uub does his thing, I would have done things far differently Nah they should have recommended literally every OTHER part of the arc Baby Gohan VS Vegeta is legit one of the best fights in all of Dragon Ball history and they didn't recommend it 😢
People say GT is mid to bad like it’s some kind of dis but being frank Dragonball as a whole post-Frieza saga is pretty mediocre, don’t get me wrong it has it’s good moments but overall it’s an inconsistent mess of a series.
But then by that logic, you can still have tiers of mid too. Dragon Ball itself is by no means a cohesive or thought out piece of media and someone can easily label it as mid in its totality. This still doesn’t mean you can’t vastly enjoy or vastly dislike parts or installments of it.
GT is mid at worst overall , as in not separately looking at everything but making an average , cuz Super 17 arc is bad . And u're right , with how much hate it gets due to the stigma itself i come across more and more stuff from dbz which makes me think " imagine if this was in GT " . Like how do we say stuff like GT did Piccolo specially dirty or something when everytime he shows up in it he gets something done , while in Buu saga which is longer than all of GT all he does is get turned into a background babysitter joke . Like GT Piccolo literally opens a portal from hell to earth to help Goku something he wasn't capable of before . While Buu saga Piccolo gets turned into a joke for even doing the things that are in his control , destroys HTC gate to keep Buu trapped then Gotenks goes " why did u do that i was just acting to lose it wasn't even needed 😭 " then Buu screams outta there anyway .
I seriously don’t understand the GT hate and I don’t think I ever will. I love everything Dragon Ball, but Super is super gay and I don’t think a single person asked for Daima.
I prefer the sub and it's not even because of the voice acting. The dub quite literally said something so off script that people back in in day that it was a legit plothole in GT. Also Bhudda Goku
You ain’t watch it the right way you gotta download all the episodes, have a pro editor reverse them and send it back then watch it in order backwards and see goku go from man to child
Sage still hasn’t watched GT the right way. You can’t possibly get the full experience until you watch it on stream with the durag off in a crop top.
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Hair reveal when?
dont forget the pink wig
Oh hell nah nice try diddy
@@dailyboizai1751 are you saying you WOULDN’T watch that stream. exactly, you would.
F in the chat for Sage’s sanity after being bullied by GT Fans
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i just tryna do it right man 😂
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@@TSO_Sageyou forgot to plug your eyes
@@TSO_Sage😭😭😭
GT fans act like fromsoftware fans. They abouta tell you to only watch it on a VHS
Litearlly lol
You still haven’t watched it right. You have to be 5 packs of beers down, a perfect mix of sub and dub, only specific moments, subway surfers and/or GTAV gameplay on the side of the screen.
Not the subway surfer and GTA V on the side 😭
Jesus is the only way to salvation ❤❤❤
you forgot to be upsidedown doing a handstand with one hand while eating a PB and J on a Thursday afternoon... then you can say you've truly watched GT
u forget having to watch it in the 90s only then is allowed cant watch it anymore
He forgot to learn the 10x kamehameha before watching it so i don't approve this
The biggest Dub sin is the dub when Goku rose up with the Spirit Bomb and said, “ This is your last chance to Apologize.”
That was a two pack of Ass
not even just that, the ENTIRE dub conversation when Vegeta throws a rock at Omega
11:19 someone said "I give up" lmao
If my opponent started screaming demonically im leaving
Sounds like resident evil or something lol
Buddy you were supposed to watch it with a plastic stool for a footrest and a plastic bottle of water for it to be good
Nah he didn't watch it with that Ssj4 costume *DENIED*
But seriously this time it was right no complaining about dub exclusive things
*Sean Schemell* makes Super Sayian 4 sound edgy. *Makaso Nozawa* makes super Sayian Super 4 sound badass.
hard agree, both are goated but Masako just ina different league
@@cplus_612 On the contrary, *Sean Schemell* makes Super Saiyan 3 sound badass! Without a doubt.
@@cordovanhobbyist895 i agree i do like his work, i personally think sub sounds better but we were talking about SS4 specifically
Even though I feel bad at how GT fans were bullied for so long, I still can’t help but feel like they’re overcompensating for their fave show. The Baby arc is the best part of GT, but even then, I think some fans oversell it. Baby is a very decent villain. But when you cross-compare with other arcs franchise-wise, I can’t see the hype. Frieza, Cell and Buu had much more dynamic arcs. Even when you compare to Super, Goku Black ended up being a much more nuanced, three-dimensional and fulfilling take on a similar trope to Baby. The other villain-centric arcs of Super, the Moro and Granolah arcs, felt way more character-building and complex. Idk that’s just me though. For example, I like the Goku Black arc but you’ll never see me pitch it as a top tier arc or anything. People need to be a bit more realistic.
They always have been. They helped dig the hole GT fell in ironically.
I watched db my whole life and loved it all, but I found to love it more when i rewatched the Orange Brick Dvd dbz collections. They have the japanese subs at the same time as the eng dub, so you get to read/hear the differences immediately.
Bro ur supposed to watch gt while using wwe terms.
“OHHHH, Gohan just hit his dad, WHAT A HEEL TURN”.
“Damn! Goku came back with a new gimmick called ssj4”
“Damnnn, pan is legit just a jobber.”lol OOOOOWAAAAAAAA
13:49 When you mess with Goku's day 1
Bro messed with the beginning of the franchise he should've known better
We still tryna save the GT
Yes
4:51 “FRIEZA WOULD BE SO PROUD” SAGE 8/6/24 🤣
Frieza would like brainiac
Frieza : " That's ma boy "
Now that I’ve heard this on screen, how did the old supreme Kai know about ssj4?
He probably just said that because it makes sense to call a new super saiyan transformation ssj4.
It’s been stated by guidebooks that ssj4 is just called that for the namesake, but it isn’t at all a sequel to 3.
What's funny is that Goku(beast) would have made more sense
@@kusakabe3264 U mean the name ? No even that wouldn't cuz a lot of people miss this but golden ozaru is the beast stage , ssj4 is the beast being tamed after conquering the strongest of primal rage not unleashing it .
It's described as " When this golden ozaru gains a human heart then the mightiest of warriors is born , Ssj4 , who combines reason with tremendous power ". It's the first ssj form primarily being triggered out of love instead of rage , " beast " doesn't exactly fit .
@@humanman9920 he's got the power of the beast
@@kusakabe3264thats not gihans transformation wtf ur talling about
The cure for being a dragon ball gt fan is actually watching it. I do like its japanese ost and ssj4 though.
No through some immense amounts of evidence i've seen the cure for it is this other widespread disease " everyone should be a critic " which is caused by the infamous " smarty pants 🤓 " virus .
Dog all the sub lines were so much fucking better though, chats wild for saying Dub was better
sub was not better be fr
@@mugenbattlezNot all of them but some yes and none was worse . Now ik sometimes dub has cooler dialogue but mostly its just butchering dialogue and info compared to that .
4:22 Oh! foreshadowing
From what little GT knowledge I have (because I have not watched the show but rather saw Totally Not Mark’s review of the series as a whole) I will say that GT isn’t really bad in concept. Like the pieces were there to make a really good (non)canon sequel to Z. And I will say that some of the ideas and concepts that were shown in GT are actually good in my opinion. Like Super Saiyan 4, the Shadow Dragons, Baby and the Tuffles, Goku Jr, and some other stuff I can’t remember are all good ideas. It’s just that the writing wasn’t up to par with what Z gave us. Like Super Saiyan 4 and Baby are cool but nothing could compare to scenes like Goku going Super Saiyan against Frieza, Vegeta’s sacrifice against Buu, or even the Father Son Kamehameha against Cell. The bottom line I’m trying to say is that GT could have been something great, some grand even but sadly it suffered poor execution
Nah man, you need to watch it for yourself and form YOUR OWN opinions. Not just regurgitate others takes on the series
@@richborn6700 I’m not regurgitate Mark’s opinions. The opinions stated are my own and what I think of GT
@@zeldagameryt4018" are my own and what i think of GT " based on the info provided in a not so good review from a person trying to justify their hate of it as a child .
Look , nothing against TNM he's a fine channel in general , but that GT review was not it , when he expressed in gruesome detail the amount of hate he had for it when he watched it as a kid while apparently having let go of that now , only made it clear how much he didn't let go of it . And in the review there were instances of him calling things bad for the sake of it , sometimes doing something like " why is it not like this " but when something later is like it then " why is it not like that " , there was more which i don't remember exactly what but i remember that there was , and just overall sh*tting on it even in the thumbnail like he's doing someone a favor by watching and reviewing it . I don't know why u'd think anyone's review is anywhere near a proper source of info to judge a series especially when u haven't watched it .
Not " some " a good amount of things are well to decently executed , with some that are the absolute peak of the franchise and don't only compare but surpass the things u mention from z .
Ssj4 is the first ssj form triggered primarily out of love rather than rage , having ssj as a stage then conquering the rage to get stronger instead of letting more out , in treatment comparable to ssj and absolute peak in design , abilities and narrative gaining strength from his home earth , with Pan being the key contributor that finally results in Goku surpassing the past saiyans not just in power that he had been upto now but fully in nature as well , a journey of ssj forms completed well , starting with him having to be angry and now gaining mastery over his primal mind.
While that's a more separate description of it without explaining much of its role in baby arc that is placed perfectly .
Baby hated the saiyans because they took over his home world and k*lled his people , he swore revenge and in present had turned the strength of the saiyans as their weakness , baiting them into becoming ssj and taking control of them right after which only made his control have a stronger grip without a possibility of getting pushed out by a sudden big increase in power . He mirrored the strongest of saiyans after taking Vegeta's body even using a dark version of spirit bomb on Goku instead that he threated existence erasure with which Goku barely survived due to Kibito kai saving him from a direct hit , he came back after regrowing his tail intending to take advantage of his hidden saiyan potential but still got beaten to a pulp , in a similar situation as baby had been once , his home taken over and people damn near ended since they didn't consider themselves anything but tsufurujin servants of baby anymore . On his last legs once again not being able to think of any way out of this he remembers the life he had lived and the people he had met on earth expressing frustration for not being able to protect it , then he recieves strength from his home planet itself in the form of blutz waves transforming into ozaru with its help instead of a moon like any saiyan him included did before this , combining ozaru with ssj becoming a golden ozaru . After he got that form he became stronger than Baby's mutation of Vegeta and started beating him around , yet he was so blinded by rage he started rampaging around everywhere and destroying things at random losing sight of Baby , who ran away to get his own version of the same form and finish everything. This was the strongest saiyan form yet it couldn't get the job done , Baby had pretty much beaten the things that made saiyans so strong their rage and passion for fighting as well as other things like even the support of people , so what gives ? Ssj4 . Goku suddenly stopped and tried remember something by looking at earth but couldn't quite do it , and got angry at it instead thumping his chest like a child complaining to their parent , but with Pan representing the human side trying to remind Goku of the person he was and not giving up on getting through to him despite him attacking her and pushing her away , eventually Goku was able to remember his identity and purpose through the memory of the happy times they had as a family that was captured in a photo , gaining control of the form in time and conquering the strongest rage with the primal mind due to the desire to protect his friends , family and home while holding his hands up towards earth as if directly gaining strength from it , he transformed into ssj4 screaming at the top of his lungs with chain like electricity forming around him signifying the taming of a beast and earth going red in the background . Baby could only be defeated by this form as its existence proves he was wrong for bringing down judgement on the current saiyans for the actions of their ancestors . He put Goku in a similar situation as Baby himself was in once but even after going through the strongest rageful transformation of the saiyans Goku still overcame it with his human side , outclassing the past saiyans completely in every way possible , showing these saiyans were more than just the barbaric violent creatures baby considered them due to his past with the transformation itself . While Baby had the opposite journey compared to the saiyans , while mirroring their power he ended up mirroring their nature as well , getting more and more unpredictable as he got stronger blasting away his own servants just because they thought he was losing while holding back against an opponent , and not caring about k*lling a lot of them anymore in Golden ozaru as long as he got to hit Goku , ironically the saiyan had become a more human looking creature compared to the past in this fight while the tsufurujin was the maniacal beast , becoming the thing he hated the most . This arc was the ultimate love vs hate as Goku due to being capable of the former went further than Golden ozaru and surpassed Baby who being full of hate got capped at Golden ozaru . Goku once again proved he was capable of becoming more than he was born to be , before through hard work and now through his human heart , but this time by the transformation itself which combined his saiyan nature and human nurture by the roots making an ozaru with blutz waves of the earth and solidifying his identity as the saiyan who is human at heart .
Baby arc has one of if not the best narratives in a dragon ball arc and Ssj4 is the best transformation of the franchise . Even though GT is mid at worst overall in quality as in compensating for the bad stuff with the great stuff and just ok stuff with better stuff , it did produce some of the best things and those absolutely do compare to the things u mentioned and surpass them .
One thing being true is that things used to feel different with the older and older the stuff was , because more and more of even the minor stuff was newer to us , but that doesn't take away from the fact that when we break it down without being biased to the hype external factors created , some of these things are the greater than the dbz examples u mentioned . Like the starting sequence of ssj4 when suddenly Goku's tail starts reacting when he's looking at earth and slowly his chest starts beating followed with the big impact with the pressure and electricity breaking things around him while his eyes are red and he slowly turns into the golden ozaru , that scene already matches the intensity of the first ssj , the sequence of him becoming baby's nightmare then losing sight of him blinded by rage , calming down for a bit by looking at earth but still struggling and finally pulling through with Pan's help , with the next stage turning into ssj4 scene which had the raw emotion + great symbolism , does surpass all previous forms .
Shadow dragons are pretty decent in writing as well , but i feel like u were talking more about impact from those specific examples . Goku Ssj4 upwards Kamehameha obliterating baby's ship with him space while going into the sun is a peak scene , and Universal spirit bomb against Omega who was the perfect opponent for it with the negative energy that emitted from his existence pretty much being a direct opposite of spirit energy k*lling all life around him while in statement threatening the whole universe , basically k*lling the very things that power a spirit bomb . The buildup of a hopeless situation while everyone believed Goku was dead and trying their best to beat Omega , then Vegeta being pushed beside the crater Goku was in then laughing and saying " What the hell are u talking about , u've lost " before passing out , then Goku coming up with the spirit bomb with the japanese GT anthem starting in the background , Goku barely clinging between life and death while taking Omega's hits while gathering energy from the whole universe , in the end Omega's world shattering before his eyes when it's completed and Goku takes his strongest attack like nothing , and finally disintegrates him with the biggest spirit bomb seen so far , these scenes are the peaks of the franchise and are absolutely comparable to the dbz examples in impact.
@@humanman9920beatifully explained there man.
Literally no reason why when Great Ape Baby shot earth with the super galick gun that it didn’t blow up. One thing that makes no sense in GT is the lack of impact from attacks.
Nah, the plantets were all upgraded to be muiltiversal level durability😀
Also don’t understand how you can transform from a naked giant ape to a SS4 with pants belt wrist bands and shoes
Oh the smarty pants comments are here . He can hold back as much as he wants get over it , no reason implying he wanted to blow up the planet full of servants in the first place . Dbz has had way worse instances than this where it actually doesn't make sense . Vegeta letting all his power out in final explosion only makes a country level fodder explosion . Buuhan ragefully screams and lets his power out in all directions similarly yet nothing happens to earth when he has already torn several holes into alternate dimensions .
And literally only thing Baby wanted to do in that scene is make Goku desperate while sacrificing a bit of his servants , he does another one when Goku is in front of earth telling him this one will blow it up if he dodges to make him get hit . He wanted a leverage over him not to just destroy the planet and all his servants on it for no reason .
Damn bro hates gt so much he forgot that characters could suppress their power just so he could find another reason to hate. Hell yeah I respect it
Gt fans might be in shambles after this one
Why i'm happy he is finally not whining about a thing exclusive to dub after choosing to watch it himself
Sub vs Dub debate is so dumb. Like what you want
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The dub added genuinely awful dialogue changes tho, like i dont blame ppl the sub is objectively better for GT in many ways
Just as long as when he watchs the goku vs omega fight all hes gotta do is switch it to dub for that 1 line if you know you know im good@@TheSuperGoober
@@TheSuperGooberif only the voices were good in sub ngl
I think that’s what debate should boil down to, but it never does for some reason. Anime fans work in mysterious ways
Sage actually thought he would bait me into commenting about which is better sub or dub just for revenue
Oh fuck
I never understood the gt vs super debate like there both just ok not the best but not the worst either
As a GT fan I am well aware it's not perfect but it's defiantly has some wholesome moments. People that say it's not canon just because Toriyama didn't write it R.I.P are right about the main timeline, but it is canon for the movies/anime continuity. Is there anyone that didn't enjoy the movies just because they are not canon? Now between sub and dub I watched the dub of all 3 first. Some dialogs I actually prefer in dub but I enjoy the sub much more. Now to only the Baby arc is good. To be honest most of the 1st part is trash until G. Rildo/Rild that DEFEATED GOKU! He was cool! Also when the 2 most powerful Saiyans alive starting to fight the more powerful Shadow Dragons it's good also. Until we get to Omega Shenlong that bored me to death.
Nah black star db arc's og db like episodes were mostly fun only a few episodes boring . And Omega shenron was pretty decent and a fitting final villain . What does this " non canon " claim even mean when this much years after this " only canon " new continuity began , Toei still puts GT among the important events of dragon ball starting with the og manga in the trailer of the latest series daima ?
@@humanman9920 First of all I said my opinion. Yeah I agree I meant the episodes with Nova and his brother they were fun for me. Omega Shenlong mostly bored me plain and simple a matter of personal opinion.
Some people still give a damn about canon, and true canon is only the 42 volumes of the DB manga. Daima takes ideas from GT but it's too soon to tell how will it go. Indeed in the trailer of Daima they do show that.
@@eranshachar9954 This " true canon " does not include anime . GT is as canon as anime gets .
@@Spooderman-r6y This is what I said to the other guy. Canon is the 42 volumes of the manga. GT is canon to the movies timeline as it showed movie characters. As I said I don't care about canon I simply enjoying the show.
“Brute force jungle tactics” is some unique racism.
We appreciate you
Sage trying to Antagonize Great Ape Goku is so will never NOT be funny 😭
Goku was wasn’t even taking baby Serious, Goku was literally Playing around with him lmao 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 great video I enjoyed Be Blessed 😊
6:54 neuron active moment
if only goku ssj4 was cannon…
Ssj4 is one of my favorite transformation
Why does that matter? It was still made. There's still merch of it.
Too late now he has ui
Daima trailer : Let me introduce myself
The official studio this much years after the new continuity is still making sure to acknowledge GT as something that happened in the grand scheme of dragon ball that they show starting with the og manga in the trailer of their latest anime
Sub is legit the only way to watch dragon ball GT, a guy did a comparison and the dub is so goofy
"Grandpa! You were smashing everything around you, even me!" 😭😭😭
Im mad that i missed this stream. Yall watched the birth of my glorious king and i missed it
Gt is good when it gets to the main villan arcs
When you used to say that GT was peak until you realize now watching it back that it was made for kids 💀
When u realise literally all of dragon ball was for kids by the same logic especially the current power rangers 😂
Bro forgot to watch it with the Deadpool and Wolverine controllers in both hands 🤦
Sage talking to great ape Goku like he the voices in Randy Orton's head
What if pan grows up in super and starts saying grandpa over and over again
I would be pissed
That’s one of the problems that comes from her being a main character but not being able to solve her own problems.
10 years after finishing gt i can still confidently claim it isnt good
Tried sub once in DBS. If you watch Beerus introduce MUI goku ultimately in English. Then embarrassingly in Japanese’s. You would go off it.
Pretty sure when goku completes UI Beerus’s speech includes the phrase ‘what a guy’ in response to Goku completing fighting…….
The optimal way to watch GT is after you've had five shots of 100 proof whiskey.
No it's after u've spent 5 years training with the reincarnation of Kid Buu
Dub is better in terms of VA but Sub has a great instrumental
the version he showed its the same ost
the dub has 2 osts the Original and the Toonami one
The toonami one uses more guitar
SS4 Goku is awesome 😎
GT has its moments. Plenty of cringe but this is one of the best eps for sure. Glad ya gave it another chance
This man's chat was just shitting on sub the whole time. It's either this or the awful shit rock music funi pulled out their ass. Y'all tell me what's better lol.
The opening song is the only thing hoid that came out of DBGT
I was like 14 when I watched gt, after this video that will be the only time I watch gt.
I liked the sub dialog better
Obviously you should've watched it with subway surfer and gta online stunt race videos next to it. Optionally scrolling through Instagram from time to time. Only way to watch GT big bro
Nah only way to watch GT is play dbs on 10 screens all around it man need that supplement for our attention span
tablos would be happy watching this stream
The thing about the GT dub some people get really attached to the occasional sick one liners and overlook many things.
Dragon Ball GT touched me
Wai- what do u- wdym bro
DON'T PUT THESE DISRESPECTFUL ALLEGATIONS ON GT NOOO😭
7:32 some speed racer shit
I saw this really amazing video that explains I'm pretty sure all of sub gt. Personally I'm probably never watching that shit because I like english better. But I've never seen gt be explained more beautifully than seth the programmer's GT the honest truth.
Finally you admit it after so long
You finally admit you aren't good at Fighterz and probably Fortnite!
Dragon ball gt so bad it crashed his pc that could never happen with the glorious dragon ball z
ssj4 Goku dialog: Dub (this Goku can read me whatever.)
the fight foley: Sub
Watched both, can appreciate the differences both have to offer.
Dawg gt fans gonna make you keep watching gt till you say it’s better than anything else
1:42 🤦♂️ Bro just watch the series once in sub and then in dub at this point , someone said " whatever makes Pan less annoying " that's just sub by default no questions asked , other than overall dialogue and info messing the dub does , it takes some special level of liberty with her overall character. Again u can watch it however but i don't wanna see no complaining like " oh GT does this bad " for a dub exclusive thing that's just annoying .
7:44 U paused just before it , " I'll let u know as soon as i think of it " overly dramatic zoom in followed up by some bs , hey dragon ball has some fun sense of humor like that .
9:55 And that's why Ssj4 is the best it may not be bald BUT IT'S ABOUT FAMILY .
11:20 Absolute peak , the overall sequence is awesome too but i'm especially a fan of this shot . Chain like electricity around him signifying the taming of a beast while screaming at the top of his lungs and earth going red in the background , it has that raw emotion that made the peak forms of dragon ball what they are + great symbolism .
12:54 Wdym . He is if not even more cuz Goku has embraced the identity of an earthling since way earlier than him , and that's the exact thing taking him further than golden ozaru .
14:12 Sean Schemmel overall does a good job in voicing SSJ4 Goku and when it comes to dub version my only issues with Goku have been the dialogue and info messing not the voice itself mostly . U can pick either in this overall scene although if i had to pick one i'd go with sub cuz when he calls to Bulma in dub it's more calm and not that expressive while in sub at 13:34 he's more like screaming and shows more emotion while giving a better situation is escalating feel . In general i think there are several scenes where sub shows more emotion in this way and grabs attention better while dub can sound pretty monotonous in comparsion to them .
16:16 Bruh people just be saying things because they prefer a voice more in general by default . Here both are equally good at capturing that calm but menacing demeanor .
Ok this was a good one no whining about dub exclusives . But one thing , u can't tell whether the whole arc is better in sub or dub by just watching one episode in sub and one in dub comparing a few scenes side by side where its seems about the same . I KNOW for a fact Pan is a different character in dub in black star db arc with some diaogue change for her later too , remember several other instances of dialogue changes in general for the worse throughout the show , like interesting and relevant info turned into some generic banter or good vs evil speech , there is a good chance a bunch of that is in this arc too , one thing i still remember rn is that 10x kamehameha just doesn't exist in dub .
That’s a lot. 💀 last word is all yours cuz gah lee, but here we go:
1:42 bro I HAVE!! Idk why I have to keep saying this to you & you respond as if you don’t care or don’t believe until it’s a full fledge video of binging both. But many viewers who only have seen GT subbed still don’t like her. It’s a popular opinion of her character but if you like her that’s cool lol.
7:44 obviously saw after but it doesn’t really affect the JOKE 😂 the constant dynamic zoom for dramatic effect, let alone the fast one, was gonna be funny regardless. Especially being back to back as an editor it’s just funny.
9:55 being about family does not = best but anybody who don’t like ssj4 is just trying to be different lmao. but best transformation debate is different argument for a different video
11:20 glad you like the moment either version captures it well
12:54 again a JOKE 😂 I’m confident you’re smart enough to identify this. The main thing on my channel is me being a Goku fan, I’m just saying “Goku betta” it’s not to be taken literal.
14:12 i think sub was better but not really because of Goku. Bulma’s dialogue in sub was just better imo. But this goes back to me again saying watch the show how you want, in whatever version. You can complain let alone praise, whatever version you watch 👍🏾
16:16 same as above, either one works. both full clips are good, i don’t really have a side on that scene.
To your final comment: buddy it’s been fun debating & interacting with you, I refer to you as the “GT guy” 😂 since it’s the only time I see you comment. But ngl gang respectfully I might gotta stop cuz your main standpoint comes off either mildly disrespectful or just absurdly dishonest. You can’t keep having this main take that I need to watch the series, I keep telling you I’ve seen BOTH versions fully damn near twice atp, and you just 100% disregard the information as if I’m lying.“Watching GT For the first time” or “Watchkng the REAL GT For the first time” would be an instant banger but THAT would be a gross lie.
So that’s disrespectful at least to me, the absurdly dishonest part is to subtly imply that I haven’t seen it “properly” until I react to the entire series TWICE again, 1 dub 1 sub, for the sake of comparison. Atp it’s just never a need to have conversation since it’s out of bad faith anyway lol
Watching many SSJ4 scenes rn, he just doesn’t scream “times 10!” in dub but it being blue then changing to red is in both. The move for sure exist lol but ultimately bro let people watch the show how they want. It can be your fav but reality is it’s not even canonic to OG DB, the series is made for fun ultimately. Even if it was… it’s Dragonball. The idea someone can’t like a scene in dub more, let alone criticize it, cuz it’s not “real GT”, reeks of a superiority complex kind of take. Again… It’s Dragonball. Let it be fun 👍🏾 if you want to further the debate here the discord: discord.gg/Zrvenj4h
Nah but like, you have to watch it in sub and dub alternating between each single word upside down and you have to look the other way at another monitor.
THE RIGHT WAY
I think I need to introduce GT fans to something I call “Zack Snyder Syndrome” (self made). It something I do A LOT where you come up with a huge vision for a story, but fail to deliver even the simple things while writing. In other words, even if GT had this vision to create an adventure like og and up the stakes like z, it failed to even deliver basic character development in a compelling way. Even if it has one or two cool concepts, it will always be bad show because of bad writing
" failed to deliver basic character development in a compelling way " And u failed to understand half the words u use while pretending u do . Facts are facts .
We need you to react to rising fists goku last day
GT isn’t exactly bad like it’s not that good but it does have good moments and some changes to the story would be great like Goten and Gohan or Gohan joining them instead of Pan while Vegeta, Piccolo, Goten or Gohan (depending if one of them actually went with Goku and Trunks and maybe Pan) watch over the earth. Adult Gotenks, Goku after the baby arc turns back into an adult or slowly does after the baby arc. Piccolo doesn’t die instead he’s active with the other Saiyans and Majuub. Buu and Uub can defuse from each other from time to time for Hercule. 2 extra arcs where Goku doesn’t leave his family and friends with shenron and they all have a one last big party before cutting to Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr. in the last arc Vegito makes a appearance.
Nope , one plot on earth to not mess with the og db episodes while also showing more dbz like stuff with the other characters . Give Piccolo a fight bro is already stated stronger than Trunks and survived a kamehameha of Ssj Gohan still delivering Goten home , and no need to mess up his honourable death and contribution he still does even after going to the afterlife . It was such a relief seeing him at least do stuff whenever he showed instead being a background babysitter joke Buu saga turned him into .
We don't need a compromise on story just extend the show and fit some more of these characters in demand in fights and the story was gold already .
5:31 chill on embroar 💀 he may not be the strongest but he nostalgic
HE SUCKS
I think the English dub had my favorite quote that I actually think to myself in real life when I’m pushing myself.
It’s when Goku gets hit by the Deathball.
“No, I can do this. I am beyond this pain.”
u were supposed to drink half to sleep man, u gotta rewatch it now
"You haven't watched ___ the right way..."
A Narcissistic guide to gaslighting those with opposing opinions. 🌚
Sage capping he just wanna reason to watch GT again
Nothing about GT makes me want to lock in and focus on the episode I'm watching. When I watch DBZ or Super it's difficult to walk away from the phone/tv
U need to watch it sub in dub subtitles, then watch in it in dub with sub subtitles.
He needs to watch it in subditles with sudbitles on top of them
1:42 Because u were complaining about dub exclusive stuff in that Super 17 video . I didn't say people can't dislike her in sub at all but that dub is simply a butchered version . Not only turning dialogue with any small bit of spite into a 100 but completely changing what she's saying at times to make her hostile to someone . And if anything i've heard people even say the dub has influenced them so much that even after admitting sub version is better they can't get to not dislike her , with the majority either just giving some dub exclusive problem or outright false info to rationalize it doesn't help me consider that opinion being reasonable in itself either , also noticing in reactions of the dub that people rarely find her annoying at the same problems the sub also has , RARELY and most of it comes from the dub dialogue itself so sub is a significantly better version of the character which also is the original .
7:44 " doesn't really affect the joke " really ? This is not some very new stuff at this point , it's a classic way to enhance a joke where a dramatic buildup is being done just for some bs . U may find it funny either way but pretending to build up to something very serious and important like that clearly makes Old kai's response funnier in flow .
9:55 I was just hyping it up there with a joke not making a serious argument for why it is , cuz that's gonna be an essay , mostly about the introduction and its narrative separately as a form as well as its role in baby arc where its first introduced . The design , abilities are awesome too but more of a cherry on top cuz this is what really makes a form great , alongwith treatment . Yeah i know it really doesn't stick with some people and that's all fine their preference but in terms of good to bad i'd give the credit where it's due taking it easy on this default bias against a design and considering what the form is overall .
12:54 Yeah i thought it was but just because it's GT i'm used to people thinking and saying GT Vegeta is the one Vegeta clearly inferior to Goku in every arc so i got doubts .
14:42 Yeah when i say sub is overall better i don't because of that , if the whole show was just like that just some different words pretty much saying the same thing either version would be equally fine to watch so yeah in this scene it goes either way .
16:16 Same
Well i recently discovered ur channel with i think it was a dragon ball arc tier list video and didn't really check the rest of stuff although i had a few recommended , i don't really spend much time watching takes anymore this was a reaction so i felt more like watching , but i see u have more stuff i'd want to check out , i have watched naruto although it's been quite some time since i was still watching anything related with it . Tell u what if u intend to react to One punch man i will be the " OPM guy " too . Although Dbz and GT sustain my interest for the longest time something about OPM is similar to dbz kinda simple but strong makes me keep coming back .
Alright my bad seems like i messed up the wording there with " once " but i meant to imply u haven't watched it properly in recent years which i have good reason to think even if u did , not that u lied about anything .
I don't care about once twice or ten times . What was in front of me is u saying " let's see if GT holds up " then watching dub which was bound to make problems and it did with u going " oh Pan is just always being like grandpa grandpa it has been 4 seconds and she's already saying that 😭 " if anything that's disrespectful and annoying watching a butchered version of the show and associating it with the original . When u can just put " watching dub GT to see if it holds up " and its problem solved .
receatly i'vr started rewatching dragon ball z - the fillers i've watched all of db already- fillers in sayian saga.
Ngl its not just the lack of real lines, Pans voice acting in these are borderline atrocious too. If she had some decent voicing this would be at least tolerable lmao. I defend season 1 Pan cause she at least makes sense. But the voice acting man the voice acting. Its crazy cause both Goku voices really put in work here
Her voice is not that bad
Her sub voice is fine . Idk why the english one annoys me a bit , think it has something to do with the tone , but of course character butchering dub does with the dialogue itself .
Gt fans NEVER talk about the bsby saga when talking about the show. This was genuinely one of the best times I've had with a dragon ball arc since dbz. I absolutely adore baby as a villain and especially a saga.
Baby saga glazers incoming
Ngas glaze sub in every anime I swear bruh 😭
7:41 🤣🤣🤣
" I'll let u know when i think of it " 😭
I would watch gt in sub, but I can't get over that voice quality. Japan really dropped the ball.....drrooooped the ball.......dro...
Bruh dub be so much better 😭🙏🏼
Dub clears
My personal gripe with ssj4. It's an awesome form and I love the aura it has but, what I don't like is how they make goku take all those hits. It makes the form LOOK soft and weak. Other than that, I love super saiyan 4.
I mean, the literal next scene shows those hits were nothing to Goku and he promptly wallops Baby, so if anything it just made him look all the more tanky and raw
@kevo5133 yeah you got a point there, it's just usually when they get a new form they show it off in the most disrespectful way. (the villian being disrespected) like with the ki blasts I was expecting goku to either dodge or reflect them. Him getting blasted into a gut punch was like "damn, he just got a clean play off" lol
It looks the opposite of that bro what are u talking about
@@minato_namikaze160Context matters Old kai established what was really going on to Kibito kai then Ssj4 shows it and disrespected baby in every way possible if u already didn't consider the earlier thing a good amount of that when he's actually this powerful . Tanked RDB no effort when that same thing earlier threatened existence erasure and even by indirect hit caught him from subspace and warped into the sugoroku space , and then the pure dodging and beating.
@humanman9920 now tanking the RDB I loved that. The nasty combo afterwards FUCKING SICK!!! But it's goku letting baby get those early hits off is what I don't like, personally. That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, I'm just gonna accept that GT's gonna be stomped out ad infinitum. Glad people at least give it a shot nowadays, but at this point I'd rather people just spit on it's tombstone and let it rot.
Your chat is an L. People who only watch dub don't care about the integrity of the script.
Honestly, i dont blame most GT fans tbh. Their show gets constantly bashed to the point it gets genuinely annoying. Like, we get it, GT isnt the best hahaha, it was funny the first 2,000 times. GT honestly isnt as bad as they say. Its not the best, but to treat it like the plague, i dont blame GT fans wanting their show to shine sometimes
And also, i'm not saying you dislike it btw, ik you dont hate GT, you've said it plenty, lol, i'm just saying in general
FR It actually gets Irritating
na chat HATE gt lmaoo
@@TSO_Sage tbf...........it is chat so like I meeeeean💀💀
Super has simultaneously made more people go back and appreciate GT, but alot of people have just doubled down on hating it. Despite most of those haters only having surface knowledge from memes and others opinions without watching and forming one for themselves
@@richborn6700Bad as the Super manga/anime is I can't appreciate GT even with Goku black arc being the story I ever seen in any media because I ain't going to go back and watch it again.
They both just as bad.
Soooo more GT content? Please?
The Japanese dub was better in both of those Rounds lol I didn't know it was an entire GROUP of people that can't understand emotion from other languages
😂😂 i tell people to like whichever they do but those who don’t give sub a chance are just as crazy as those who dunk on dub automatically
@@TSO_Sage So true. It really isn’t about which is better, it’s just finding what you like without projecting negativity on the other end😂😭
1:00 And that's good but why is it so hard to understand that the way to watch GT is sub 1-64 , simple no bs no " bu- but there's a dub " . Wait u're saying u watched sub, but then in ur Super 17 video u point out some flaws that are specifically limited to dub . So either u don't remember things so well or u watched the sub so long ago that it doesn't even matter .
But either way , WHY CAN'T PEOPLE JUST PUT FAITH IN HUMANITY FOR ONCE WHEN IT SAYS " DUB IS OVERALL A BUTCHERED VERSION OF THE SHOW " .
part 3 when
Why do GT fans not wanna recommend the best parts of each arc???
Baby is peak & better than 90% of Z
But the ENDING?! After Uub does his thing, I would have done things far differently
Nah they should have recommended literally every OTHER part of the arc
Baby Gohan VS Vegeta is legit one of the best fights in all of Dragon Ball history and they didn't recommend it 😢
9:51 alright then watch all the gohan moments that were influenced by goku
Ey no need for violence here let's give Goku some break
@@humanman9920 ok
People say GT is mid to bad like it’s some kind of dis but being frank Dragonball as a whole post-Frieza saga is pretty mediocre, don’t get me wrong it has it’s good moments but overall it’s an inconsistent mess of a series.
But then by that logic, you can still have tiers of mid too. Dragon Ball itself is by no means a cohesive or thought out piece of media and someone can easily label it as mid in its totality. This still doesn’t mean you can’t vastly enjoy or vastly dislike parts or installments of it.
GT is mid at worst overall , as in not separately looking at everything but making an average , cuz Super 17 arc is bad . And u're right , with how much hate it gets due to the stigma itself i come across more and more stuff from dbz which makes me think " imagine if this was in GT " .
Like how do we say stuff like GT did Piccolo specially dirty or something when everytime he shows up in it he gets something done , while in Buu saga which is longer than all of GT all he does is get turned into a background babysitter joke . Like GT Piccolo literally opens a portal from hell to earth to help Goku something he wasn't capable of before . While Buu saga Piccolo gets turned into a joke for even doing the things that are in his control , destroys HTC gate to keep Buu trapped then Gotenks goes " why did u do that i was just acting to lose it wasn't even needed 😭 " then Buu screams outta there anyway .
GT is terrible. Can't believe some DBZ fandoms sperg out when you say it.
GOKU like most black men. We normally not GOOD FATHER DA 1st go round but we MAKE IT ALL UP WIT DA GRANDKIDS 😂 IM BS’n!!! Or am I???????? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
How do you watch GT the wrong way? Do people think the creators wanted everyone to wait for the series to end and then jump to the best scenes? 😂😂
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I seriously don’t understand the GT hate and I don’t think I ever will. I love everything Dragon Ball, but Super is super gay and I don’t think a single person asked for Daima.
😂 📠
I'm still curious about daima though let's see if it actually surpasses expectations turning into something special and really good .
So you are telling me that GT is better than Super.🤣🤣😆😂🤣
I prefer the sub and it's not even because of the voice acting.
The dub quite literally said something so off script that people back in in day that it was a legit plothole in GT.
Also Bhudda Goku
You ain’t watch it the right way you gotta download all the episodes, have a pro editor reverse them and send it back then watch it in order backwards and see goku go from man to child