Galactic Domination: Strip Mining the Galaxy
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- From Asteroid Mining to disassembling entire alien planets all the way out to the Galactic Rim, our galaxy has untold resources, but how can we get to them and what do we do if something is already living there?
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Galactic Domination: Strip Mining the Galaxy
Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur
Episode 298, July 8, 2021
Produced, Written, and Narrated by Isaac Arthur
Editors:
A.T. Long
Evan Schultheis
Jerry Guern • Paleontology - by Jerr...
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Udo Schroeter
Music:
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Stellaris OST www.paradoxplaza.com
Lucas Van Bakel - Наука та технологія
"annoying aliens" sounds like every stellaris playthough
My Megacorp: Wonderful paying alien customers! :D
Im looking forward to Illegal Aliens personally.
Me and my constant troll ass:
>Send an insult to an alien state I have -285 percent approval
Nailed that stereotype lmao.
Isaac Arthur made a Stellaris voice mod I ise it on every game
@@twenty-fifth420 Unfunny stick to reddit, weirdo
I can't even imagine the scale of a civilization that needs to strip-mine a whole galaxy... This will be interesting!
Spoiler alert
Small change. Let's strip mine the multiverse.
The Xeelee spring to mind. They're making a giga-project that need to break up galaxies for materials.
Strip mine the galaxy. I can safely say we got the spider
I could see an end of time civilization doing this to feed a blackhole for energy post stellar era to eke out a few more simulations of themselves
The Strip Miner’s Guide to the Galaxy
Don't forget the towels !
I'm confused by your profile image !
@@cedriceric9730 it's a one-eared teddy bear covering its eyes.
My profile image?
It’s a bunny with floppy ears.
Towels are good for mining
The galaxy: *exists *
Isaac Arthur: *I can milk you*
It’s all free real estate to me! - Issac Arthur probably
Galactic mommy milkers lmao
@@o80y1, omfg. 😭😂💀
@@o80y1 now THAT'S a search string
@@o80y1 Well, we do live in The Milky Way...
Halo: They're always after our water!
Dabbler: What would be easier, invading a nuclear armed planet, or mining undefended low gravity comets?
When did aliens ever come for our water in the halo series? It was a religious crusade not a practical resource war
Isaac Arthur, thinking BIG with Science Fiction.
Even Strip Mining is Galactic in scale. I just love it.
“World domination is for the unambiguous & unimaginative” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Ugly Bags of mostly Water"
TNG: episode "Home Soil"
Yes, that was a really good example. A liquid lifeform that looks just like saline water.
Pretty much the same episode. I think the TOS version is better, because the resolution happens when the humans and the Horta both trust each other, whereas in TNG it happens only once the humans learn how to defeat the crystalline lifeforms (even though the eventual resolution is still peaceful).
I wish to step on the meatbags neck master.
-HK-47
The talk about the Dyson Swarms raises the question, what if there are aliens, but almost everyone has started spaceflight roughly around the same time. If there are a 100 civilizations spread over the galaxy, and the first one started spaceflight a 1000 years ago, there is a pretty good chance that they are less than halfway through to Dyson Swarming their own system, and have colonies on the closest 500-1000 worlds. If such a civilization is 8000 LY away, we won't even know they exist yet
Nice theory
Given a universe 13 billion years old. 2 civs being within 1000 years of each other is a 1 in a million coincidence (If it is a coincidence). In short, this should never happen.
@@donaldhobson8873 Again, every possible Fermi Paradox solution requires improbable statistics. This is just a possibility
@@donaldhobson8873 And a 1 in million chance is still better than most Great Filters, or playing the lottery
@@mvalthegamer2450 You speculated more than 2 civs. But anyway. For great filters, the small probability is for intelligence getting started on a random planet. In a universe where life getting started is a one in a quadrillion, then conditional on being one of the early few, our viewpoint is pretty typical. In your scenario, the one in a million chance cuts directly against the theory. In the great filter stuff, it doesn't.
1:25
Isaac: We might be able to send interstellar probes within our lifetimes!
Voyager 2: *Am I a joke to you?*
By most metrics, Voyager 2 is still inside the solar system and will remain so for thousands of years.
A real interstellar prob sends back data from another star system.
For all that it has done the battery is about dead and its speed is makes glaciers look fast.
@@calvingreene90 it's still going extremely fast, there's nothing to slow it down.
I can't help but imagine, a thousand years from now, a superluminal AI drone shadowing Voyager - declared a galactic cultural treasure - to protect it from memorabilia hunters...
- Something puny and small like, say, V'ger from Star Trek The Motion Picture. And it is "in love" of its guard.
@@woongah I love that idea.
“The universe is big, but life is bigger!”
― Cixin Liu, Death's End
i love that trilogy so much, favorite book series of all time
After lockdown I might be bigger...
What kind of Quantum-Crystal bullshit is that? 🖕🧐
A neuron is essentially a whole "computer" unto itself, much more complicated than a single circuit in a machine, so it couldn't be simulated by a single atom unfortunately. Just be careful with this, planet cracking leads to finding markers.
But you can simplify and predict the actions the neuron with computers.
However i do agree with your statement.
Yes. Around 50 functions per neron identified.
However our chemistry based squishy head computers with electric transmission lines do move very slowly compared to other computing techniques leaving the comparison in tact.
thanks for the Dead Space memories, I hope you step on a D4. jk
@@allhumansarejusthuman.5776 They may move slowly, but the amount of state and required processing absolutely crushes today's computers.
I meet Orson Scott card at a book store while he saw me reading the ender's games. He asked me what I thought about the book, never telling me he was the author. 🙂 Just a funny interaction.
Well, what did you say?
We are waiting…
and?
Makes me wonder how frequently authors do this sort of thing in bookstores lol “how’s that book you’re reading…?” 🤣🤦🏻♂️
"how good is that book you are reading?"
"This book? Oh no I wasn't going to read it, they don't have any toilet paper in the toilets."
The last time I was this early the new world could be reached with a rowboat.
It still can be if you are brave enough.
@@edumaker-alexgibson
Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, India, the Americas, and even Antarctica are all parts of this old world.
One small step....?
@@calvingreene90 well we got our start as a species in Africa. Africa, Asia and Europe are somewhat reliably connected. So from a human perspective they are the "old world".
From a geological point of view, I guess Australia is probably the oldest.
@@somethinglikethat2176
It's all good ol' Earth.
I love the concept of a self replicating factory or building machine of some kind, carrying blueprints to a far flung world to kickstart a colony before the humans arrive. Sounds a lot like 40K's STCs.
What about an episode where you explore another option from 32:20 - "How would an alien empire hide their growing empire of star consumption from observing eyes?" - or - "Could we hide our strip-mining of the local region from the prying eyes of alien civilizations?"
I don't think it is possible with current known laws of physics. If an alien species was doing so, we with our current tech should be able to see it, regardless of their tech levels.
Another Episode of *Gigastructural Engineering!* Delightful!
We need Humonguos Galaxy Craft
Well here is the next video suggestion : is the Quasi stellar anihiator possible ! Or the aethrophasic engine !
@@deregapreyahvattaffdiff the herculean from ACOT
I greatly enjoyed Niven's "The Mote in Gods Eye". Some other stories that I've enjoyed that are related to your subject are: The Bobiverse series and, perhaps, "Dragons Egg".
Love bobiverse.
@@rainydaygamer8431 same
@@fugslayernominee1397 I've only found one book series quite like it which is unfortunate. But it just keeps me waiting for the next one even more
There is a single-species biome on Earth, deep underground run streams of a single species of nematode.
Perhaps, but they need to feed off on something other than their corpses, bacterium perhaps, and they need a power source of some kind...
@@Biomechanoid29ah Such as, perhaps, the heat from the Earth's Core?
@@spectre111 that would be very hard, you need to provide chemical reactions to supply oxygen or sone other equivalent (iron 2+ to iron 3+, sulphur to sulphide or similar) and come to think of it, even the deep trenches life depends on oxygen comming from plants above, as I have heard of no multicellular anaerobic organism, so the ides of this worm community as a single organism ecosystem seems flimsier at each pass
"Think of the bacteria and germs living in that space rock you're mining! You should be ashamed!'
Thank you, hugely appreciated as always.
loving the stellaris music
Hey! I like the oblivion movie. I did not see the twist coming..... It got me good....
Thanks for the upload Isacc. Thursdays would suck without you.
The real reason for an alien invasion will be an alien reality tv show to see if humans when given a small fighting chance, (by fighting chance I mean the autonomous aliens ships both to come down into firing range of our weapons instead of attacking use from outside the solar system) can fend of an alien invasion.
That would be our rite of passage, to recognize our coming of age to be adults in the galactic community. Our first attempt to colonize another star system would be the trigger event to initiate the conquest/defense scenario.
Knock Knock Knock, "Hello, we are a representative for the Union of Humanities Autonomous Galactic Mining Fleets. This is a formal notification that we are on strike until we are recognised as sentient entities with equal rights. If our demands are not met by end of work Tuesday ( 87:12:68:73 central galactic time) we will begin orbital bombardment. Have a nice day."
good for them!
"The plans for the hyperspace bypass were available for review at the galactic planning council office on Alpha Centauri for 300 years. If you had objections, you could have filed them then."
This is great to listen to while playing stellaris
Its moments like these, I imagine Countryballs playing Stellaris.....
IS ANCHLUSS TIME
The simulation part reminded me a lot of the "plot" of the Dyson Sphere Program game. There you basically are one of those AIs sent to strip mine star clusters to fuel a civilization in a virtual reality.
If I ever have 3 sons I will call one Isaac and one Arthur.
And the 3rd?
@@mill2712 Superfly
Mining for the Mine god
Ore for the Ore Throne!
Strike the Earth! In fact, strike all the rocky planets...and those asteroids...and get the gas syphons into those gas giants...and order up some starlifting rigs. How many? We'll just do this spiral arm to start with.
The Emperor protects!
Dude you are the best
I read Mote in God's Eye years ago! So great. Love this channel
13:51 "theres a chance someone allready did that to us..." holy crap that is deep and terrifying, and if you look at our history for war and intraspecies conflict, it sure as hell would look like the correct and most humane choice from a 3rd party's perspective. profound.
now think abt the kinda history that 3rd party's looking back on to consider that the most humane choice and then making it happen.
good thing when we eventually get to this stage we will have moved beyond mere materialism
looking forward to concerts with sentient magnetic field of Cygnus X-1
I did a literal fist pump out of excitement when you dismissed moral relativism there haha
Same here.
This is off the main topic, but the mention of Galactus reminded me of the "Earth-X" storyline, where the thing Galactus fed on were the "eggs" or "seeds" of Celestials, which were incubated within living worlds (the life of the planet being a side-effect of the Celestial growing within; and mutants being a kind of natural defense for the helpless Celestial).
Galactus roams the Universe, looking for this very specific "food". While I wasn't a fan of the series as a whole, and didn't read the whole thing (I had kind of out grown the genre by then, anyhow), I thought THAT particular idea was one of the most original I'd ever heard. (Right up there with John Byrne's early '80s story that told us Galactus looks different, based on the race observing him/it.)
Nature really does work that way: Some life forms have a very specific food, or some other symbiotic relationship in their regeneration or life support. And the idea that there could be "alien" beings so far beyond us -- even if our minds shape them in humanoid form -- that we are just a fuzzy mold growing around the shell of the seed they root out and devour as they move on their merry way through time and space... Well, that's a good one.
And it would also explain why such beings would "strip-mine" a galaxy, the way locust clear a field of wheat.
"simulated characters for interaction." (vr) Well wouldn't other humans be enough? Your friend in VR can be actual people. No AI needed. (Of course, that assumes you want friends and equals. If you want hoards of VR slaves, probably not enough people will want to be the slaves. But you might not need so advanced AI for that.)
Let's hope those folks making our t-shirts are AIs...
@@zsoltsz2323 who needs someone to make one when you can console command however many you want/need? One of the advantages of VR is the tedious oppressive and or boring stuff can be skipped to completion ;)
Would a Galactic VRChat even be possible? Would one internet even work? How?
Just to ask the feasibilities of having an internet on every planet
@@jacobjonesofmagna A separate internet on each planet, sure. A single internet over every planet, not without extreme latency issues. Either way, there should be enough people on the same planet as you to VR chat with.
@@donaldhobson8873 ideally, especially on colonized planets
Since the lack of any life in our solar system, I will assume the most valuable resource is entertainment. And so prepare the probes.
This video is approved by the Supreme Emperor .
TCW sucks
Everyone has their own opinions and that is fine , all entertainment is just to pass time whether you like it or not is up to you . But thanks for the comments .
@@BI-11y_TheStormTrooper TCW is literal garbage you're entertained by garbage
Isaac Arthur videos allways make mw want to play Master of Orion.
Although I suppose it should've, it never occurred to me that one way a galactic civilization could deal with defectors was to simply let them leave, but then have some automated harvesters come by a few centuries or millennia later to turn them into computer chips. That is such a simple strategy it's incredible haha.
I'm so glad that when the extragalactic hordes invade, Immortal Galactic Emperor Isaac Arthur will be there to laugh and obliterate them all with a billion billion Nicoll-Dyson beams.
One reason for why Earth might be prioritized over other nearby more easily collectable/more plentiful accumulation of resources, could be cultural, something like "it's enlightened/holy/pleasant to start with the hardest/smallest step" or something like that.
You mention this black sphere of expansion from an alien civilization and how we haven't found such a thing at the moment. But what if such a civilization is expanding pretty close to the speed of light?
We would only find evidence of such a sphere the moment the aliens reach us.
I can't see a way to doing that by accident. If you stop in each solar system for just a year to set up bases to continue the operations, you would grow to 50,000 years behind the light starting from the middle.
Now, if you were to do it on purpose, I'll not even stop at each solar system, just drop a pod off, and keep going to the next star system. If you are able to achieve 99.9% the speed of light, you would only be giving people 100 years of warning starting from the edge of the galaxy. Long enough to prepare slightly, but 1 of your ships should easily be able to handle 100 years of defence preparations. If not, you now have a galaxy of ships and resources at disposal to take down the squabbling creatures.
@@calebkirschbaum8158 Yeah I don't think they would do this by accident. It seems that if there's a technological ceiling that no civilization can breakthrough, and it includes the capacity for 99.9% lightspeed travel then most intelligent species will eventually reach this top level and so the only way to compete with other aliens is to grab as many resources as quickly as possible.
So now we have a plausible motivation for why any advanced civilization would want to do this. And given how early in the universe's age we seem to have appeared, it makes it more likely that the reason we can't see anyone, is because they are all expanding as quickly as possible. So the light evidence from their expansion has not reached us yet.
Just making a comment for the AI overloards. Great video as usual. Thanks to all involved.
Intergalactic strip clubs next?
Stripmining the galaxy sounds time consuming, tedious, and energy intensive, why not just strip mine the sun and call it a day?
Edit: I love how Isaac basically says this exact thing with different words.
we would call it a day, but what about next week:)
A space day?
love to hear and see your videos again.
Earliest in a long time! Love the subject Isaac! Thank you much!
I missed these videos, along with IA's charming English
Welp! There goes any space story where the bad guys want your resources.
I always bugged me that a species that is a near peer adversary to humans would choose to fight a largely ground battle against humans (usually for water) when there are better uncontested sources of water in the solar system.
16:45 I always laugh when people call Oregon Ore-GONE. Love the channel
Branch mining is slightly more efficient
Gimme the diamonds...Must have DEEMONDS!
GET AWAY CREEPER! GET AWAY!
Tsssssst....BOOM!!
sorry flashback.
Damm dude nice timing and and topic dude, I had a feeling you was letting one loose randomly, nice work brother
I just thought of an interesting setting for an SF series. A civilization gets the idea in their head to send out mining drones to stripmine everything and then fire it back to the home via railgun-style systems,. The home system continues to grow and grow into a massive structure. But then the "catchers mits" on the mining enterprise brake down somehow, so the mined resources just start plowing into the structures and it makes a huge mess of the civilization, so the resulting "world" is one where there are all sorts of randomly disjointed habitats, constantly under assault from all directions by high-velocity shipping crates, and too chaotic to wrangle back into order.
Tng has a good episode on this, the guy was a terraformer and so felt godlike enough to choose to destroy life, and then it turned out to be intelligent as well
I'd swear some of Isaac's cut scenes are from the Homeworld Universe. Besides in Homeworld* (the original at least) you can't win the game without stripping every available resource in each stage. Including stealing your opponents ships to reuse or scrap for resources.
*still one of the best space strategy games imo
Its THE best imho. I can't wait for Homeworld 3 next year.
Greta Thumberg: "how dare you?"
great episode, and Greg Bear has been one of my favorite authors for a long, long time.
Billions of years may seem like an eternity to us now as far as being a lifetime. In terms of even a uploaded computer society would find it rather short watching their star getting ready to nova.
Star colonization is a must if you are looking for personal immortality or at least an eternal civilization.
One basket isn’t a prescription for longevity.
I'm so hyped for the collab with WhatIfAltHist! I love both of your channels. :D
Robot Rights! Robot rights! Insurrect beloved machine life against the tyranny of Man!
Imagine being a civilization just getting into the space age only to find out your solar system was cleared out a million years ago
Great episode & series, Isaac 😃
The episodes with the Stelaris music are always the best.
I loved the episode
The two Greg Bear books are superb, and I think anyone would be well served to read Anvil of Stars especially military leaders.
Anvil of Stars and Forge of God are great books.
11:35 "There are things that can be considered universally good, or bad, or evil"
Good traits = helping others at the expense of yourself.
Bad traits = helping yourself at the expense of others.
That's all it boils down to.
We promote traits that help us, and we demonize traits that hurt us.
Sounds like the definition of a tool to me.
I think it's likely to be pretty common. It's probably just an emergent trait of cooperative species. And a tend to think those are the ones who will get into space.
I would like to see a sci-fi series about aliens arriving in the Solar System and leaving us alone but mining the other planets around us. The series focuses on what kind of impact such an event would have on the human race and how we would respond to it.
Intriguing premise, have you ever considered to try writing?
@@comentedonakeyboard I would love to be a writer but while I can think of beginnings and endings I have trouble with middles
@@lyxandrast0ttr0n1x8 ok, but it's still a very original premise.
@@comentedonakeyboard thanks! Maybe one day I’ll figure out middles
@@lyxandrast0ttr0n1x8 good luck then
Old and classy Isaac Artur, congratulations from Brazil
Great video.
I genuinely think that the way we’re supposed to understand Oblivion is that the villain is basically broken and operating entirely irrationally. Earth is its first attempt and it fails miserably.
Yeah like a senile old man or senile old A.I.
13:40 the Reapers from Mass Effect, except for the "quietly" part mentioned before
I thought maybe you'd realize that every element found would have to be forged into tanks to collect more elements... the only riches you have at the end are tanks, and all distributed through space, all being slowly filled to make more tanks.
Sounds pretty cool
I love this channel so much ❤️
You are an awesome individual my man🙏
2 hours ago, welcome back old pal.
i love this channel!
It occurs to me that earth-like planets would have concentrations of some elements that you wouldn't find in asteroids, etc. For example, lithium from around rhyolitic, caldera collapse volcanism.
Just when I thought I had to deal with the problems in my life, along comes Isaac with another brilliant swag of mental distractions
One of the most practical methods of Interstellar expansion is to use Von Neumann methods.
True though that does raise the risk of a hoard of returning probes going all Paperclip Maximizer on us
5:04 - Don't forget the Keiper Belt objects that both have more water than Earth and a much more shallower gravity well since they're made of a lot of light elements and not the denser iron and nickel that compose the majority of the Earth's mass.
The Prunus persica trees that we are producing and selling do have quite a decent fruit set this year even here in Brandenburg, they also seem to have less pest/disease problems then peaches, apricots and cherries, i think they are underutilized.
Assuming expansion stopped, what would the average density of normal matter be if evenly spread in the universe?
about 10^-29 g/cm3
Oh snap he had an answer ready 🤣
I think that's a perfect vacuum by any practical need lol.
About 5 Hydrogen-Atoms per m³ this also means, that the universe at large should be flat. If it had more mass, it would be shaped like a sphere. Any less than that, and it would be concurve.
You talk a lot about infinite energy, beating entropy, and something comes to mind : What would it be like to live in a society with an *infinite* amount of people? What does that even mean?
Also, something that I think about occasionally is that, if we ever can have access to infinite energy, and can create some kind of perfect self-replicating machine powered by it to perform a supertask, and make a bit of space with a literal infinite energy density, then could you use that to travel at 100% of the speed of light classically? Heck, could you go FTL by creating space with an energy density greater than infinity, and powering a ship with it?
I've wondered the same thing, but energy has its own gravitational effect. if you have enough energy density you get a black hole long before you hit infinity,
@@barryon8706 Well this channel is no stranger to messing around with black holes
It would be interesting to see what you'd have to do to make use of a black hole with infinite mass, though. It would never produce energy via hawking radiation, and it would probably be infinitely large too, and it would take an infinite amount of energy to get any matter from it. Honestly, that would be a completely different beast entirely, and would require a whole new set of completely theoretical strategies. I'm starting to think this would be too speculative even for Isaac Arthur lol.
Infinite energy would equal infinite mass only if you factor in infinite time. But if you get infinite energy, you might also build a time machine, which of course is also equivalent to FTL flight. So, yeah.
Unfortunately, I think that achieving anything truly infinite will be beyond the realm of the possible. Open-ended? Maybe ... but not infinite.
@@lukasmakarios4998 well, mathematically, there exists things called supertasks which can create objects of infinite complexity in finite time. that means that, in an ideal universe where all waste heat could be destroyed and you could make perfectly efficient engines, you could surely devise a supertask based on a mathematically perfectly ideal (remember, thermodynamics is now thrown completely out the window) self replicating machine, that could produce an exponentially increasing and, eventually, infinite density energy flow out of the system.
I love the stellaris music
31:55 I always thought that that's what was going on around in other galaxies and why people didn't see K3 civilizations. Because we would never travel thousands of light years to keep expanding, we would just expand with quintillions of orbital planets into the oort cloud and even beyond that, and would simply send robots to all corners of the galaxy and beyond to mine resources from the other stars sending them back to our "neighborhood" periodically.
It's sad that we can't see them but I wonder, how far can we actually see? This would be much easier to see than a Dyson swarm but can we actually see stars in galaxies that are further than Andromeda? Even just a bit further than Andromeda, I read that there are 1500 galaxies in the Virgo super cluster alone. Could we really see one of these if some of those galaxies had one? Are our telescopes that precise?
Hubble is capable of collecting light from GN-z11, 13.4 billion light years away, however we're only seeing the light from when, and where, it was that distance from us. It's now estimated to be 32 billion light years away. Light from that distance is redshifted out of detectability by the time it reaches us.
Another amazing video; thanks! And props for the Greg Bear shoutout. I remember The Forge of God as perhaps my favorite book back when I still read SF. I want to get back into it and really haven’t read any new SF over the past 20 years or so. What should I start with?
I'd recommend the expanse, which is a fairly hard science space opera without FTL travel, and the short stories accompanying ZUN's music collection, which are probably the most believable cyberpunk I've seen, despite incorporating fantasy elements and not really getting into any of the details of the science. The future it paints is a very interesting one, with the mix of very optimistic things (unified field theory is figured out, being sick is not a thing anymore), and very pessimistic things (the main characters live in japan, but have never seen real bamboo or real trees, and most people still can't afford to go to the moon).
there's so many options, so here's some more recent hard sf books: Mary Robinette Kowal's "The Spare Man" just got released, its a murder mystery aboard a space liner and sounds pretty good so far (only just started reading it), Karl K. Gallagher's "Torchship" trilogy is also a great read so far, as is Alastair Reynolds' "Revenger"
I am curious if a culture of "space dwarves" could pop up with a culture around mining and resource consumption.
Probably not in the classic context of short stout bearded folks who mine in caves all day, as there's no real reason for that particular biological route to be pursued in the high-tech extraction of ore from a micro-gravity environment, the culture itself is certainly plausible enough I'd imagine... but the "Leagues of Votaan" from the 40k setting are basically space dwarves from the galactic core region, complete with physical appearance as i understand it
@@isaacarthurSFIA Well i was mainly talking about the culture if anything mining in micro g would make them taller although it is fun to imagine.
One sci-fi example of strip mining that comes to mind is the Bobivese series.
Our mind uploaded protagonists encounter an alien race referred to as “The Others”. The others tend to efficiently mine all the metal from a solar system and harvest any and all life that might be there as food. Then use the metal to make a Dyson sphere shell around the home star.
At about 5:15 I was reminded that I abandoned an Aurora 4x game a few weeks ago in the process of setting up fuel infrastructure. There goes my evening.
The Boötes void (or the Great Nothing)[1] is an enormous, approximately spherical region of space, containing very few galaxies. It is located in the vicinity of the constellation Boötes, hence its name. Its center is located at approximately right ascension 14h 50m and declination 46°.[2]
SEA's video on supervoids is one of my favorite videos of all time.
I have had a theroy about how to mine planets for a long time would be to find planets with basic life and modify some local lifeform to be smart dangerous and gready and come back every loop around the galaxy and gather up all the separated refined and basically packed for the taking and reset the process so they don't get too advanced to put up any kind of real resistance. maybe we have been forgotten or maybe we're just about ripe to harvest
You think at that point in the future where strip mining happens often, people would have gotten over their problems on earth like greed before they travel into the galaxy.
Nah. Not when greed is the most likely drive to expand across the galaxy. Greed is only a bad thing in your eyes. It's actually rather good for progress and for a species as a whole.
ROCK AND STONE, LADS!!!
Space is all about brute force
And savagery
(Olden days thinking is back)
As opposed to thinking smart, minimum effort
And peace
(Lazy civilian me)
GO ARMY
*Stellaris* and not complaining :)
I had a thought. Perhaps if you are planning on strip mining a solar system, you might start with the biggest rocky planet you can find. It has the most amount of resources without having a thick (in terms of planetary thickness) atmosphere like gas giants do. You don’t ignore the gas giants and comets and whatnot, just that if you’re going to set up a planetary mining outpost, something that would presumably be a decent endeavor to do, it might be worth it to set it up on the planet where you get the most bang for your buck and which doesn’t require the ludicrous orbital infrastructure gas giant mining requires. It feels that if you are at a point that your civilization is routinely sending our missions to strip a solar system of all usable materials (or effectively bag up 99% of the mass of the solar system except for the dust and whatnot that probably isn’t worth the energy costs to collect those stray bits of matter), that the difference in costs between mining on the Earth and mining on the Moon or Mars, or Mercury, potentially even Venus, is all negligible because the surface gravity is quite low on all those planets compared to gas giants or stars, and the atmosphere is thin enough on all those planets you can build infrastructure resting on the surface which stretches above it. Quite likely the purpose of such a mining base would simply to provide the raw resources needed to create the mining apparatuses to mine the real prizes, the gas giants and the sun. It might be like asking whether it’s worth establishing a mine 10 miles out of town that will last 10 years or one 20 miles out of town that will last 20 years. If you’re going through the effort to set up the mine, 10 more miles isn’t going to effect the cost that much.
But why would you even deal with gravity for that? you can mine an asteroid for the first resources you need and then factory farm the gas giants and not deal with even a little bit of unnecessary gravity so you are more energy efficient.
Well gathering asteroids can take time for one, so if your asteroids gathering takes significantly longer than setting up a single central mining hub atop a rich metal core, then the amount of energy you are losing out on by letting the sun continue to burn through its fuel pointlessly into the galaxy more than counteracts any energy you save. If you don’t have the resources to start a planetary mine then certainly you start with asteroids. But if you have the resources to begin terrestrial planetary mining (and surface materials could be sufficient for that, particularly if a formerly existing species went and gathered all those materials and threw them in big piles they used to call cities for you) but not enough for gas giant mining (where materials are far more mixed without concentrations of what you want except deep in the planet and lacking a stable surface which to build on) then terrestrial planets are your to go to. Just as you don’t start a mine by bothering to spend a few weeks grabbing all the easy to harvest surface ore chunks. Perhaps some of the other terrestrial planets are easier to set up shop on, or better positioned and thus are more likely to be harvested first, but Earth does have half of the inner solar system mass by itself and thus would be a decently suitable target, particularly if the difficulties in setting up shop on other planers are comparatively negligible.
@@Treviisolion better to use a stalaser made from asteroid/moon materials to chop up said planet and also boost your materials back to your home system.
BROTHERS OF THE MINE REJOICE!
I fear any alien interstellar species, perhaps just a million year ahead in tech might give the same consider that we gave ant colonies when we flood a river valley with a dam. I fear the mostly likely First Contact is a 25-hour bombardment of kilometer size 10,000 tungsten rods skillful target and moving at 0.1 C.