#1 Reason Why Dates should NOT be a staple of a Raw Vegan Diet
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2013
- John from www.okraw.com/ goes on a field trip to China Ranch Date farm to share with you some of the unique varieties of dates. In addition you will also learn why some dates you are purchasing may not be raw. Finally you will hear John's opinions on why dates should not be a staple in the raw plant based diet. To learn more about China Ranch date farm, please view John's other video:
• Harvesting Fresh Dates...
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For the first time I bought Medjool Dates for a recipe. I had no idea they are this good!! I could eat them all. Amazing. I'd love to visit a date farm. Sweet Mother Earth I love you.
Medjool are the best
I feel like he's yelling at me lol
He talks way too much.This video could have been.2 mins long
Oh now I've heard it all. "Medjool dates taste horrible"
maybe not quality organic, but the medjool dates at trader joes make me gag, and the ones at any store I cant even attempt to eat. I have to blend them up and plug my nose theyre pretty bad
John Smith the ones that i get in an organic store in germany are utterly deliciois.
Medjool dates are my favorite. Different strokes for different folks.
The ones in the dumb chain supermarkets in Australia taste amazing as! Gotta get the right brand though.
If you're eating foods with less water, *just drink more water*. The water content of anything is completely irrelevant, because you can just consume water with it or afterwards.
What's more relevant is how fresh something is.
MsHojat Not really. Water found in fruit is much more beneficial and nutrient-rich than plain water.
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The water itself is the same. I think you mean to say the juices. Even then though, juices in fruits that are low water (ex. dates), are more concentrated than fruits with less water (ex. watermelon). a small amount of date with a glass of water will overall have around the same sort of amount of fiber and sugar as a much larger piece of watermelon.
Many fruits have very different levels of certain vitamins and minerals. but that's an entirely separate topic completely unrelated to water content.
+MsHojat the water is structured. that's what makes the difference. :)
+Barrack Obama i did look it up. very interesting. but he certainly does not fit the bill for refeeding syndrome. but im sure there are raw foodist who do and people who eat the sad diet as well.
Mshojat j
I'll second the comment below. Quality Medjools are amazing. Also it might be worthwhile to point out why a lot of folks are using bananas and dates as a staple. Simply, they're more affordable and accessible for a lot of people. Not everyone is going to move to Southern Cal or Florida or Costa Rica or Thailand or develop a 1/2 acre farm in their back yard. News Flash people live in other places. Many don't live near large city fruit distribution centers. So cost and accessibility would be good reasons to use dates and bananas rather than many cooked foods and animal products.
1:12 "Don't make one food your staple"
...having only one food at a time or for bouts of time can help the system relax (confuse it less!) and allow it to really get to those assignments WAY DOWN in it's assignment list, also, the more DIFFERENT kinds of foods you eat at one time (in one meal) the more confused it actually makes your system (and, conversely, also your mind and thoughts too). Mono-mealing is great for durations of time (actually probably for most of the time). Lumping bananas in with fresh organic domestic dates is not a fair comparison at all. Bananas are so over-rated, and dates still have their SEED intact (like an avocado too) and are basically just as good a source of potassium as bananas anyway (and dates and avocados aren't doused with ethylene gas). Mono-mealing is a great idea actually, especially if the food is a fresh, organic domestic batch of dates (or avocados, etc). Great way to let your body system handle some of those really "filed away" assignments it never got to get to because it kept getting bombarded so often with "confusing" foods and cooked combinations (aka "cuisine" and cooked/altered foods and the contaminants/chemicals/pesticides/gmo's that were tagging along)
5:55 "The Body's Many Cries for Water"
...Pseudo-science. That would disallow many kinds of fruit (especially the high fat ones). So that's like saying: "If you don't eat a food with as high a protein content as you are", or "If you don't eat a food with as high a fat content as you are" etc. This is insulting the body too (like eating a SAD diet does), like the body doesn't know how to handle a low-water fruit or a nut etc. These kinds of "theories" totally cancel out all kinds of naturally occurring foods (fruits). And it's steering people astray. A video on UA-cam said if you want a toxic burden as all the old toxins leave your system, then a high-water (fruit) diet is perfect for you, more or less. Toxins are often fat-soluble, and fat can buffer the toxin release while on a raw vegan diet. That's B.S., nobody said (while on a SAD diet) that you have to drink more water because the toast or charred steak will "dry you out". I'm a high fat raw vegan, and I notice that citrus it what is ASTRINGENT to me (wrinkle-inducing). Fat buffers the old-stored toxin release (old contaminants, and current contaminants too -- in the atmosphere etc, more than ever currently). You should be careful to CANCEL out high-fat content fruits, that's just bunk.
So this video is good overall. But like with any other disinfo agent, some BAD information (and bad messages) are carefully MIXED into the video. And these two points above were the that would tend to lead people astray.
And by badmouthing dates because they are "low-water content" it's bizarre that there was no mention of any kind of preparations (for instance, combing a "low-water content" date with a WAY high-water content, more than your body's content of water, mandarin/coconut/pineapple etc). After all, no food is exactly the same water content as your body (so should we start criticizing any food that isn't?). Or just soak the dates in water and look like a real tool.
Dates are fine when you have re-established the "by design" intestinal fire. So these mantras about certain fruits are no good because they are more "starchy"-textured is dangerous. Think about all the foods people are addicted too, and that is filling and sweet at the same time, and usually it comes down to something like a caramel-y sweet roll or something, like a custard-y bread pudding with caramel sauce or something. Cookies or donuts or frozen custard. People want the starch, not just the water. Dates are a carefully-designed starch-like (not chemically a starch) blessing (along with some of the other starch-like fruits, some being high fat in addition to sugary and full of fiber). Dates are the natural CARAMEL in nature. No other food is AS CARAMEL-Y as dates (expecially certain varieties of dates -- like medjool or halawi, and also FUDGY -- certain varieties again -- like medjool and khadrawi etc).
I mean you could also say, HEY MAN get out of that date farm and move back to Europe, you're skin is too white to be out in the sun like that. So go back to the climate that is more in line with your skin melanin-expression. But that would person would be deemed an asshole.
I think ruling our dates as a staple is nearly being the same kind of asshole. Because that edict is pretty much only based on the dogma from 80/10/10 and other high-water "trips" people are on. 80/10/10 is great to clear and clean out your system (with fat and starch interludes mixed in where determined to be appropriate by the individual). Like nut butter and tahini binges (mixed with raw organic honey) really got me off on the right track after leaving meat, dairy and the rest of cooked food.
Dates are a blessing, so are durian, avocado, cupuacu, coconut etc. And I would say if you rule these foods out (and dare to disrespect the human digestive system in it's ability to handle these foods) then you are denying possibly what most closely resembles our original foods (and our original cravings, and closest-matching foods for our system). The brain and "skin" need to eat (and those parts of our body crave fat). And fat creates perfect hormonal functioning. And it's the highest calorie source in most foods people love (including meat -- most of the calories in meat are usually coming from the fat in the meat, not the protein). And who knows how many other varieties and cultivars of fruits were lost in the deluge (the flood/the cataclysm -- it's documented how many species of fauna/animals were lost, but how many fruits did we lose?!?).
Plus these are the most luscious, delectable foods. Only a few high-water fruits come close to the high-fat ones. Those would be fruits like mango, cantaloupe etc (because of their more creamy quality to them).
I think the process is, clean yourself out, then go for the fat. Cleaning your liver out (if you're not cleansing it often in the beginning) can take a LONG time though, so I understand how people never really leave the "high-water" hiatus, and get back to what they really want.
Hopefully soon though.
Just drink your own harvested spring water with the "more dense" fruits, and you'll be OK (and get through the same). No fruit perfectly matches your body's water content (which fluctuates, based on diet and environment/season, and tasks it's doing/exercise/cleansing/swimming). So don't insult the body like it can't work for you, as if eating dates is some kind of abuse to your system. It's such an over-exaggerated and overdone "bash". Also, no food contains as many minerals as your body contains, so does that mean we should throw ALL food out the window?? No, because the body can modify the food during it's digestion (or "post-ingestion", lol, process) and convert and reconfigure it into things it wants, just get it good building blocks!
Raw organic domestic dates -- totally fine! As long as you've "regained" the intestinal fire to keep the "bloating" down (and food combination issues -- you'll know when you get to that point, keep working at it!).
Just get quality foods in (raw, organic) and let's really work on LIMITING the disparities between certain different "water content" foods (dates good -- any "sweet" pansy-ass counterfeit version -- like cooked caramel, cooked fudge cake, cooked candy bars and Hostess, etc). And focus on raw, organic). Cooked food is the supreme leader in the "water removed" category and look how well we can do on that (for a while at least), so it's probably REALLY mainly about RE-CONFIGURING your digestion, and you CAN get back to a state where dates don't incur so much of a gaseous, dehydrating condition. That's mainly due to a damaged and compromised digestive system FROM cooked food eating, and takes years and years (decades probably at least) to RE-ACQUIRE. Every meal is critical in other words (and the main importance of each meal is: RAW, ORGANIC, DOMESTIC, NON-IRRADIATED/X-RAYED, NON-TOXIC/LEACHING CONTAINER, with NO METAL and NO PLASTIC and NO MOLD involved).
Stuff like that
Well said !
This is not really a reason why dates shouldn't be part of staple diet, its just opinion based. There's no real reason for his opinion.
It's a dry dead food with no enzyme activity
just.. drink water. i don't get dehydrated when i eat dates, cuz i drink lots of water with them. why isn't it that simple?
In Saudi we have the best dates and different types we eat them with Arabic coffee
Boro Nut dry
+Boro Nut did you eat "her" with arabic coffee though?
pretty pathetic you guys attack someone cause there arabic.. really shameful
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Aren't you confusing us with the Persians?
medoa6 take all those refuges and feed them dates. keep em out of Europe and the americas
I agree. I eat dates as a treat, not as a staple.
You have to scream louder so we can hear you.
I know, I like this guy, but I don't understand why he has to talk sooo loud. I don't think he can help it
he is just passionate okay!
Kevin Fisch NO, it's not okay, it's annoying. Take that shit to the studio and do a voice over- tone it down
I kinda wanna hear the guy have an orgasm.
LOL!!
We love Dateraid (Thanks Freeley). 15 or 20 dates and water blended in a vitamix...oh so good!!! But John even admits that he eats more coconuts that anything else. So there is really no difference. He mostly eats coconuts and I eat mostly bananas!
daterade come on
date-o-rade, is the ol' road to happiness
Do you still drink datorade?
Datorade is a life changer for me ☺️🤩🥳
I love dates because they are so convenient. super high sugar content, high fiber, super high carb super low fat/protein, nutritious, great price per kcal. i eat them by the dozens. for 15 dates I use 660ml water, blend to smooth, let that rest for 5 minutes until it's all soaked up and good to go
Stealing your water? Seriously?? If you're hydrating properly this shouldn't be an issue.
it is still in issue
Today at safeway I just bought a half pound of dates out of pure temptation, but than I started to realize for that same price I could get a whole watermelon or something else to get more bang for my buck. I must admit it eliminates any cravings for chocolate or candy as I transition to a fully raw lifestyle. Great video!
That was so cool seeing China Ranch. I use to live near there. Thanks for the good info on dates.
Bought some dates from China Ranch. Thank you for the suggestion.
I love this guy's energy and excitement it's always a pleasure to watch his vids
so much freelee shade..... why you mad? she's rt4. it's different. and not everyone has the same $$$$$ you do to afford "a variety of staples". buying nanas and dates in bulk (like i do, and freelee, and many others) is cheaper and still delicious.
"If I squeeze it water will come out" ....... No water comes out 😂😂😂
John the the most sensible raw foodist I've seen so far! Thanks, John, for all your hard work and videos.
Thank you John! your muy favorite.
you've changed my life in more ways than i could ever have imagined.
the plants in my garden awe people on how big they are!
keep up the excellent work!
love your videos, John. But.......dates are good for eye health and for skin and hair and I was hoping to start eating 3 daily and they are also good for weight loss.
My first Date didnt go too well But my 3rd Date was sooo worth it.
John, thank you for being the MOST truthful and informative. Your my plumb line for raw food info.
WOW thanks for so much information! I totally agree with it by the way. You really are an encyclopedia on all things date!
dont really give any factual evidence why dates, specifically, shouldnt be a 'staple'. Its just a general sweeping statement that any one food shouldnt be a staple food. Which has no basis in fact, and this video provides no reasoning or any medical basis, its just the mis-informed 'idea' that eating one type of food is bad.
i think it's because they might be cooked and lack water.
I've tried many fresh dates, and I'm gonna have to say....majool still my favorite love dipping them in raw almond butter.
Thanks John. Very educational. I always want to learn as much as I can about the Earthly Origin of various commercial materials.
Thanks John...... I love these videos. I am learning alot!
Thank you for explaining about growing dates and showing the various trees and degrees of ripeness. They seem labor intensive and I will enjoy my Christmas dates and sweets even more knowing they have been properly prepared by experts to be delicious. Very interesting.information. E. Conboy
Dates are my favorite food ever!
amazing I just placed an order with them and its free shipping! I love it! Thanks!
From whom did you placed your order from?
This is so interesting and helpful. The date situation here in central east PA is pretty uninspiring. Sometimes we get good Medjools but lately they've been stale and sometimes even rancid. The only other variety seems to be the deglet noor and they're often dry and without flavor. I've been thinking of ordering online and it's sure good to see what's available, hear what you like and see what they look like growing on the tree! I had no idea about the steaming, either.
Can you state which dates are really high in magnesium please.
I just ate like 7 meljool dates and I felt a bit off. They weren't steamed but I felt like they needed to be soaked or something, does anyone here soak their dates?
Do you like medjool dates LESS than deglet noor and those light brown, thin, hard ones?
Drink a damn glass of water then dates wouldn't steal ya water #dates4lyfe
what if you don't live near a Date Farm.. where can you get fresh Dates? Are there companies that will ship them to you? I have been buying from Costco, but now I want to try other kinds like you have shown. Thanks
Anyone know where I can find locally raised dates? Im in Indiana.
Great video, John. I was just at China Ranch on New Years Day- great way to start 2013. I loaded up. Their dates are heaven. Khadrarwy, yummm.
Would u sayd better to eat Dates For a stapel or to go cooked Again with Rice starches and Gluten Free Pasta i mean i could get bananas with pesticides but they Need Time to rippen and thats not Stapel For me of they have pesticides
I used to eat dates as a staple, and stopped for about two weeks just to test out more high water sources of life. I felt great, and when I attempted going back to them, they weren't so appealing any more. I also got sick of over hydrating myself before every meal of them.
Right on very good information I've been eating 3 dates every morning 30min before my workout and I can be one to say my energy level is good throughout my workout what I do notice when I don't consume the three dates I drag some what so yes I can testify to the energy level being better.i love dates .
Hi! I have a little question about dates.
I noticed that very few fresh medjool dates I've bought have burned core and pit inside them. Any idea why is that?
It tastes awful and looks totally burned black.
Just wondering
I know this is a year late reply, but those dates may have had black mold in them.
+katherinepm4 Thank you, it could be it, but really tasted like burnt ash would taste.
I think you are so awesome! So glad to have found your videos. So many people questioning your ideas. I love the fact that you don't settle for anything you don't investigate. I love bananas and dates, but as someone coming from vegan lifestyle into this raw movement as of recently, I love food preparation, and enjoy variety. Variety is the spice of life. Its doesn't cost money to grow food people. It just costs you time. We should all be making growing food more of a priority. John your rad! Stay rad bud.
I view fruits such as dates (Medjool at the moment) and blackberries, etc., almost like desserts since planning to transition to a whole food plant based diet.
I can see that you are very active in seeking opportunities to educate and its a pleasure to see that transpire-
I agree with you about the taste of dried medjool dates. Soaking medjool dates in distilled water overnight to re-hydrate them vastly improves their taste and digestibility. It also makes them easier and more completely blend. I use them to sweeten hemp and almond milk.
I never met a date I didn't like.
Bestest is not a word
how many dates a day would you say is too much?? i usually eat about 5-7
anyone know the best website to buy dates?
what if it was over 118 degrees outside for a day. would they still be raw?
good point.
sun dried mostly gets warmer too.
Yeah if it doesn't kill the fruit and the fruit is still attached to the tree and receiving water. And processing the water normally. It's still "living and breathing".
If it's off the tree, in 118 degree temp. then that's not IDEAL but maybe it kicks up the "caramel-y" taste (if the date is still ON the tree when it's really hot).
But good date processing businesses, I don't think let leave their dates out (loose) in 118 degrees. Unless to remove the moisture in a sun-dried way.
118 is probably fine for the date while on the tree (might even boost the complexity of the flavor), but 118 off the tree is not something you want while preparing the dates to eat. But probably great if you want to dry the dates out to make date sugar crystals (once they completely dry).
Like everything it takes discernment and experience in how to best "abide" by "natural law".
I'd say (with no experience, but just makes-sense sounding) that, off-the-tree, I'd want the date to slowly lose it's water content, not try to speed up the drying process. Prolong the fruit's majesty, after it's picked.
I've seen the label say steamed, or something similar. Some brands do tell you.
I'd love for Freelee to do a video response
Did you see that freelee eats dates blended with at least a litre of water? She also eats bananas blended in water.
IMO, Freelee is a fat-shaming narcissist. She and Durianrider need to share kindness and knowledge, not mocking and judgements.
Who knew? I thought there were just Majool and Deglet Noor dates. Very informative. Thanks John!
Yes. It does.
The maillard reaction is an important field of study on this, as well as evolution, taste receptors, and caramelization.
I was wondering if you can grow dates in Manteca California I have a couple of plants not doing good . I also am very busy with my sone who has autism . I am trying to grow as much food as possible on my property just thought you might know . You have done so much foot work . Thanks for every thing .
Dude you rock!!!! Your edible seaweed video had me sold!!!!
John, I was thinking about the steamed thing, and how the company doesn't offer the info if they do or not. I always noticed that some of the pits from different varieties and vendors look either richer, or lighter and dryer in colour and feeling. Do you think the pits can be an indicator for whether or not they have been steamed?
Thanks for all your vids, learn so much all the time - and its fun info to learn!
Kristina Raw Foods uses several pounds of dates everyday for smoothies and deserts-I was thinking she is way too extreme and they are very expensive!
Despite them being sweet you got to admit that natural sugar is good for you. Figs and Dates are good for you. Obviously you should never eat too much of any 1 thing.
why must you admit that? just curious cuz I'd love to eat dates all day erday but all the sugar makes me wary.
i got some medjool dates ones that tasted like buttery sugar. it was so rediculously good
If we eet healthily most of our meals, then some of our other meals can have a bit of leniency in the healthiness in them...? Y/N
Great info.
Hi John! Off topic, but what's that necklace that you wear?
Can somebody recommend good european vendors of organic dates?
How make raw dates eat able???
where is this farm? California? anybody knows?
China Ranch Rd, Tecopa, CA 92389
I think what you're trying to say is that no single food should be a staple - vary the diet. So if this is the case, then there is nothing wrong with a date so the title doesn't really make sense.
thank you. I was confused too
Great video
If I want to PLANT dates, can I use the dried dates I buy? :)
Great video! China Farm Dates claim to be organic but they do use non organic fertilizer! This is what they told me when I called to place an order. Needless to say I went right back to 7hotdates!
wonderful
Totally agree with you Sr. Well said. I'm raw vegan and I stay aways from dates. And yes only high water content fruits and salads its the best way to stay healthy.
Passionate.
The maillard reaction (the chemical changes for cooking certain foods) is a very complex one, and is yet to be completely understood.
Other suggestions are that cooking food breaks down cell structure, allowing more of the nutrients to be tasted, as well as converting some starches into sugars. It is possible that we've evolved to find more "nutritious" food to be tastier (nutritious from a survival/starvation point of view - as in, nutrient-rich).
He's just giving information for those who are curious about it. No we shouldn't stress over raw vs not raw as that would stress people out. I think that if you are vegan, that's all that matter. How you do the vegan lifestyle is up to you.
Depending on where you live, having dates and bananas (and *one* variety of them) as a staple are the only options, moreover in Winter !
I love dates, but returned some that obviously had black mold inside. You don't want that inside you. I also just bought some dates that looked fine, but taste and smell like they are fermenting or something. I don't think that is good, may have to return the two packages of them. Darn! I can't find a decent date around here!
I have two producing Barhi date trees and enjoy them in season. I also make date jam and dry them and grind them up. I use no chemicals of any kind on my trees. But this is a seasonal thing so they are not year round eating.
Explains why I get stomach aches most of the time I eat dates. I've eaten almost all varieties and only few of them felt good. And those were the ones that were dry and hard. I have no problem with that, they actually taste better than most varieties. At least I know they are raw.
Mine had cotton seed oil in them. What on earth is that? I always thought dates had nothing added to them.
+tracey cross Cotton seed oil is exactly what it sounds like. It's a neutral seed oil like sunflower, rapeseed or canola oil.
+tracey cross cotton is one of the highest genetically modified crops I recall
good post..........your recommended way to make carob chocolate bars.....if you get a chance.
this guy talks alot and sayed nothing interesting
Ill eat any date except those sugar dates that come saturated in white sugar and vacuum packed.
They are way too sweat and kind nasty to me.
hmm... makes me wonder since I've never eaten any directly off a tree if they were made like that. I think I recall ingredients stating they were just dates and coconut shavings
The only organic ones I can find are at sainsburys and they too come from israel, idk what part but its the best I can do atm
I want to listen to this, but I cannot. I have the volume down to the lowest and it's still too much. If John would take it down a notch with the volume when talking, it'd be just awesome!
Hey John what you think of Monk Fruits then. Isn't the a better sweet fruits for the raw vegans?.... May be you already. Grow'em .
Cool video!
I also lived on dates while training for my 100k that I won and I got so lean and felt amazing!!!!
I practically live off sukkary dates from Saudi Arabia (the absolute BEST and straight from the motherland of dates!). I make a yearly trip and buy a ridiculous amount of boxes to bring with me but it's so worth it. As for buying in the U.S. I dislike medjool and deglet noor but I can tolerate barhi and khadrawi. I have yet to try honey dates or halawi but those are next on my list to try. I still love sukkary though cause it will always have a special place in my heart. ^_^
Don't get me wrong...I respect all of these guys...Harley Durian Rider, Freelee, Dr. Doug Graham, Rawfully Kristina, Markus Rothkrants and Dan LIFE REG, and of course John Kohler. That said....Dr. Joel Fuhrman makes the most sense I have read so far. Almost all raw....but soups are ok. And some of the veges like tomatoes with lycopene you have to heat to get the health benefit. Not to say...I eat raw almost all the time...but I am not dogmatic about it. Dr. Furhman has been at it for 30 yrs
I suspect that any date that does not say RAW on the package anywhere is most likely pasteurized or irradiated or steamed etc. Most imported dates are devitalized, sugared candied, manhandled and possibly not as good as the ones off the tree??
His skin is glowing
in the winter I use dates to help me stay raw. Not the best fruits are available in the winter here in NY
I love dates, but great video regardless!!
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What veg do you eat? Maybe I can help enlighten you about the natural toxins that we KNOW of that you're ingesting and want to avoid.
'' A house where there are no dates , are poor its inhabitants'' : Prophet Muhammad
WARNING: Most commercial dates are treated either by conservants or radiation.
Quran Now
Well dates don’t grow all over the world...so...???
@@LUIS92859 not quran
and if it was quran, what would the problem be?