If you're salty and you know it, punch your chair... If you're salty and you know it, punch your chair. If you're salty and you know it and you really wanna show it, If you're salty and you know it, punch your chair
Already thinking through developing a tool to show optimum in-ship cargo positions for different grid layouts when loading-up for missions with multiple stops and types of goods... really looking forward to 3.24.
@@alexanderdooley5833 Oh wow I didn't even catch that.... I wonder if it's going to be similar to the dragon-fly design a lot of people have been floating around where the wings expand like the Scorpius?
@@Billy-bc8pk I think it will have a Scorpius cockpit with connie style sides keeping its original form with pick-up truck vibes and connie style vtols. the aurora has no room for any components as it is now. I'm betting 4.0 brings this ship update with the host of other ship updates.
ships should be craftable in game from refined mined materials or purchased from shops, so the demand for materials comes from getting ships for less than the AUEC cost by buying the materials and crafting it yourself. AUEC cost of ships should be based on three times the cost of buying materials and bulding it yourself up to a cap (under the assumption that if materials get more expensive on the market, the ship manufacturers will do their own mining, which maybe could be influenced by piracy, like the more players pirate in an area, the higher the cost of purchased ships get, therefore increasing the value that materials can be sold for)
All this means that solo players are going to be seriously gimped. Makes sense sure, but it still sucks for those people so solo players would likely have to seek out more profitable opportunities like salvaging or mining perhaps. Sure it can be a one man job, but your profit is probably going to be rather low compared to those other sources
How though? Some people enjoy just running cargo for a little payout. And with no buy in for any of the cargo missions, it can be just as lucrative if you can plan correctly. Unlike commodity trading, you aren't at the mercy of not having to have the money up front. I'll give you that from what we saw, there might be better options for making money, but I would contend that this may be better for rep grinds rather than credit grinds. Not everyone is a min/maxxer or even wants to do that every session.
Love you Salty but the reason everyone is giving you so much shit for punching the chair was it was extremely childish. Just own it and move on and people will drop it. Getting flustered when people give you shit for it dosent look good as well. You have great content and been watching you for years so please dont take the advice the wrong way.
@@saltemikereacts Don't apologize you shouldent have to. Just don't let them get under your skin they are not worth it. Just own it. "ya I slapped my chair I can mess around if I want to what are you going to do about it" or something like that.
Everyone? No sir... dont presume to speak for "everyone" It was kinda funny and also its a great metaphor for how a lot of us feel about some things about SC in the form expressionist dance. He has nothing to apologise for and im pretty sure he doesn't need your advice. It's basically modern art.
@@1aatlas you complain allot about what words people use don't you lol. Most people know that everyone when used dosent mean every human being on the planet.
Yeah but does Jared really not know about the best space trucker in the verse? How can you not know about Jack Axton? Guy has the voice of a celebrity radio host and one of the most dedicated online communities ever.
It think he probably thinks it’s insane. Cause he doesn’t know it’s been a joke for years, or he doesn’t realize that being strung along for 12 years might frustrate someone.
@@saltemikereacts Exactly, there are many players that have sunk upwards of $20,000 into the game while they've been strung along for the last 12 years. Meanwhile, Jared's had upwards of $500,000 enter his bank account. There is a glaring asymmetry there that Jared is incapable of fully appreciating.
@@CHEESYhairyGASH If that's true, that's sad, I have no college degree and I've made way more than that. I was fresh out high school 12 years ago. seems like he needs a pay raise.
Punch the chair for God’s sake! Maybe you get that ytmnd reference? I think that’s a harmless, exuberant, exciting, expression of enthusiasm! Keep fighting the good fight - everyone, everywhere needs an honest champion, random inanimate furniture is a ladder to success!
I could easily see myself just doing these cargo missions for hours tbh. I really look forward to loading and unloading. I also look forward to being able to buy up cargo somewhere, store it close by, and take it to sell later.
@@saltemikereacts I definitely agree, I'm holding out hope that the excel sheet was just to give us a rough idea on how they decide the rewards, and not necessarily representative of the rewards we could see. (They did put that the numbers aren't final or whatever in there too, but who knows). I look forward to Evo being able to get in and hearing what you all have to say on it.
I actually like this, it makes the concept of the pirate loop more palatable because now it starts to equalize risk a little, where i am not out personally "buying" the cargo. This makes way more sense, and i love that stolen cargo cant be sold just anywhere and it will be a decreased value, lot if good stuff in this episode
I think the next step is Privateer contacts. Being paid by a third party on behalf of one of the rival haulage firms to bottleneck certain resources to effect the market. Think, state sponsorship of piracy. Would be cool, and a way to offload the goods from the battle and make money.
Only 10 minutes in and this is a great fucking episode. This is exactly what I wanted to see from the Devs when it comes to building out the economy and tying it into the game. Also Jared was cracking me up this episode with the Salt E callouts.
This might actually be the best SCL I've seen! Both devs were very well spoken, careful to explain everything clearly and tried to anticipate any questions we might have about each step. No messing around, very little hopium/copium, just clearly and simply presented how the new missions are created and intended to function. This is what "open development" should look like IMO; it's not about *me* personally loving everything they add to the game, it's about me being able to understand what's coming, how it functions and why they made it that way. More of this please Jared, please!!!
I like the idea of being able to work your way through the ranks as a hauler pilot. Or even other jobs like a hauler engineer, but you don't have to buy the ships for the work. Instead of earning money to buy a Hull D, you could instead earn the reputation to be trusted with a company Hull D. Episode was great, the new guy was so well spoken and composed. Generally seems like they are moving in a good direction, and words like progression and meaningful rewards are such music to my ears.
They are missing the fun GAME aspect of this all. A rare mission that gives you a chance at an item worth tons of AUEC. It's all too rigid and real imagine paying close to 60-80 USD and having to farm 4500 AUEC missions until your next ship upgrade which start in the millions. They are incentivized NOT to make fun rewarding missions because they WANT us to purchase ships with real money, not from hitting gold on a cool find in a mission!!! BIG WORRY!
46000 aUEC/hr got it. So not worth playing. Slight sarcasm since we're supposed to ignore numbers but not really... So if you played a hour a day every day without fail for a year and hypothetically could do it without ever spending a single aUEC credit (no fuel, repairs, restocking, gear, insurance claims, failed missions, 30Ks, ship upgrades, pirates, or anything else) you still wouldn't be able to buy one C2. You can tell me all the numbers are fake all you want. All you are really telling me is you haven't thought two seconds about this and if they have it's a malicious attempt to drive people to the store. ...But I'm supposed to just ignore the numbers so ignore all of this. 😉 If you tell me not to add it up of course I am going to want to add it up all the more.
I have to be honest: this channel is the only way I've been watching ISCs and SCLs for the last year or so. I used to watch some of when they went live if I had the time (so I missed most), but it also resulted in me "screaming at my screen" (realistically: get grumpy and keep my thoughts inside, kids and stuff), thanks to you SaltEMike and since I share a bunch of your opinions, I don't have to
Jared making a comment on you punching your chair is hilarious and one more peice of the community interaction wirh CIG. I thought the chair punch thing was great...i think Jared thought the same. The economy thing is great too...hope to see it in action soon.
Im assuming/hoping there are 'unverified' hauling missions from derelict outposts on 1 planet to another planet, aka high payouts, but also high value commodities (similar to what we see on ERT ships) that give pirates some exciting PvP opportunities to earn those types of commodities we typically only find on NPC ships.
I definitely thought 4k is low.. For 95scu? Thats really low! I've heard people talking that aUEC is actually suppose to have a way higher value than we have now. If that is the plan and they adjust things to cost less, then ok. If not, 4k is not enough. I agree with some of the people saying. Nothing is 0 risk and nothing is *only* 10 minutes in SC. That one hour one though? Amazing.
So at first I thought their example was a low payout, but then I thought a VLRT only pays about 4k and depending on your ship, location, and flight ability can be comparable in time but slightly more risky.
4k or 20k in one hour... uh ? I can make millions with a reclaimer during the same times, or probably a million loading beryl on my C2. Wtf are they thinking ? They make it P2W, because a concierge with a reclaimer will make millions while a starterpack player will need weeks to grinds a reclaimer and do the same. Low grade missions need to pay more to help people who dont invested much in the game.
about the cargo missions, just make sure that the total transferred amount should be HUGE, and I mean it! That would allow freelacners to support the cause instead of allowing orgs to collect $$$.
Salty all these guys giving you crap about punching your chair... I guarantee have done it through the course of this development. "There are those who have punched a chair because of SC, and those who will."
I would like to see the mission bord (cargo) also correlate with commodity demand. I see there are a lot of missions asking for titanium to go to Hurston. So if I buy a lot and take it outside the mission, it should pay a higher payout bc demand WAS high. Then, have some of the unaccepted missions disappear.
This is good, but will the data collected from these be used in real time to inform "pirate" missions for players of that reputation. AND, will the crime stat system be adjusted to account for those that choose to make a career of this activity? i.e. perma-flagged status
1 thousand people in Stanton, why do we need quanta? There’s gonna be a line of ships, players. Eve had quanta originally at the start and got ride of it eventually cause they game no longer needed it. One day SC won’t need it.
Now as someone who uses the mole once in a while, I can see miners playing a big part in building the trading system, when people move ore around. Will that possible be a thing? Someone who mines can sell their ore at said place on planet, sell, rinse and repeat? And make a sum off of doing it?
I wonder what they’re going to do about stealing hauling mission commodities once crafting does get implemented, because if there is no consequence to stealing (aside from rep loss I assume) then those hauling missions are just free materials.
Does the reward not seem extremely low? 20k an hour seems like pennies and their longer mission was 46k which they were talking about sharing amongst a crew. I'm pretty disappointed honestly that it sounds like going up in rep just means more volume. I was hoping rarer commodities as you went up so you could still run a small ship. I don't care much for the huge cargo ships but sometimes I like to move a little cargo really was hoping some of the higher rep missions would be viable for someone flying a medium sized ship. Seeing a little of their evr calculation I'd really appreciate if they increased the whole thing. Mission payouts feel really undervalued. Only things I do that make money anymore are salvaging and bounties but only in ships with a cargo hold to take valuables away. I miss running bounties and service beacons in fighters cuz it was fun and I'd make some money doing it
I think what they showed was a basic structure outline for generating these missions, not that there wouldn't be low volume/high payout missions. What they showed was a very low risk mission that showed a quick completion time thus the low reward. Missions where more effort would be required to be completed on time would affect how much you are paid for completing them. Keep in mind ANY numbers they showed are not final, and if they are too low then they can adjust it to make it more desirable after feedback. Yes currently there are several loops that pay more, but I would wager they are already aware that if they make it too tedious/boring no one will be doing them. CIG aren't stupid and they will revisit things if they have to, as many times as they have to. From everything I gathered from this is many factors are already being considered, amd we don't know the full breadth of what they have planned for these missions yet.
@@edwarddomenico9601 they explained that there's various different commodities to move in the mission but they said the volume is based on your rep higher rep missions higher volume in the video. If that's not the way it works I'll be incredibly happy to be wrong. I'm also not saying they're stupid I just believe that whatever value per time or risk they believe is fair I really do not believe the same. The values they gave in this make me nervous but I already felt that they were not rewarding enough on mission payouts from what is currently in pu. Again if they change payouts for the better soon cool I'll be happy
@@trichartfix sure and I understood that, but we didn't exactly see them do a small run with high difficuty rating to see how it stacked up against itself. Maybe they will show that during SCL next week. On the rep stuff, the small cargo stuff goes all the way to tier 6 in rep, which could mean(and I hope I'm not coping here) that each level gets more difficult/risky as your rep level increases. Meaning, if you get higher rep with small runs, the mission supplied will be same volume, but higher risk/greater reward. Of course that is ONLY IF I am reading that chart right they showrd in the beginning.
Kind of cool that there is a live interaction between Jaret, Eliot the spy and You about the chair punching happening from last week! Now it could be cool, next time you got one of those punching figures, with Jaret´s face on.....just in case! Also liked that you reacted to seeing it live!
@@vorpalrobot I know!! Just a joke! after all it is just a game! A game we all Love to Hate and hate to Love in a way! Think that most of us when watching for the first ten secs, felt like punching the chair, but was positively shocked, like Mike! Jared got me there as well!
I wonder if they’ll have it so that when a player sells ore to a refinery instead of refining it themselves, you could buy it and transport it from the refinery
Pretty sure that will be covered by StarSim once that comes online, as the ore gathered/produced/refined will be factored into the supply/demand throughout the solar system.
6:56 What's missing here is local delivery _within_ a landing zone (or other large location). I want to have a character that doesn't own a ship, but makes a living a) doing local deliveries, and b) commodity trading. There used to be those kinds of missions in some places, but I guess they were delivery, not hauling.
You can do that now at the distro centres. There are a bunch of delivery missions within the distro centre where you have to move around cargo from one side or section to the other. Mules and Spartans work perfectly for those kind of missions.
I don't have a problem with a cargo mission paying out only 4k. I do have a problem with a cargo mission requiring more than 100SCU cargo space and just paying out 4k. That is completely out of whack compared to all other parts of gameplay.
Don't like the pricing loading 60-100scu +all the other stuff to get 5k really don't like it might accept 10k but it will still deal really bad. It aound like the smalles ships will be useless here you have a mission 60scu for 5k and your cargo is under 32 the I guess I have nothing That interests me I was hoping for something that will make small scale trading good lets sey 6scu delivery A-B peyout abou 5-10k at least why do we have. I don't want that king of gameplay to be more then wrist of time I would like it if it did not deal like you are getting scraps
I still think it’s a little ass backwards, without the crafting loops any demand is faked. They seem set on actually having manufacturing or crafting, so why not build that demand, instead we are doing cargo missions for moving things that have no request for those things. I thought they was going to talk about it. Fairly play to the dev though, he communicated well and clearly has worked hard in moving things forward.
@@saltemikereacts where do you stop with that justification though, by that same methodology they are justified making only assets and no gameplay, because eventually you need assets to craft right. Thank god they made all 155 ships just incase one day gameplay might use them.
@@Eagle6AirsoftKinda? They’d have to make the assets eventually. Now they’re already ready to go for the most part for crafting to be added on top of them. Same with the ships. Or the new water mechanics with debris in the water and such, even though we can’t swim in the game yet. When we get swimming it will matter a lot more. I hate the slow-pacing in many regards, but it’s true all these assets and work aren’t useless, even if they don’t immediately have function. Like all the Knick-knacks that gain usefulness as decorations in personal hangars.
Hopefully there will be background AI cargo runners to keep the minimal chain supply running. Economy would stall if players decide not to run certain commodities.
Nice. The only sad thing is that the basics of the hauling missions are being solved after 12 years of development... Mike, what's that on your arm? Was the chair fighting back? SORRY, can't help myself.. :D
They're stuck on the chair because it's a funny bit at your expense.. I doubt they would mention it if you hadn't followed it up with praise, they never mention creators when the creator is just being angry. Take your licks and be happy they're paying attention to the community's reactions.
Another great episode in the books! Really happy with how they seem to be approaching these missions. I think Jared mentioned you punching a chair like 30 times which was pretty damn funny too 😂 I always wondered if they watch community videos responding to these and I think it’s obvious they do. Some awesome shoutouts to multiple content creators in this episode!!
My guess with the physical appearance of npc haulers, they may be tied to dealing mostly with the routine QOL commodities such as fuel and ammo when a location doesn’t get restocked with a certain timeframe by players. Moreover, there is a hint here that you can buy raw ore from locations which you MAY be able refine yourself for a smaller profit then doing both the mining and refining parts but offers an alternative mining route for those who haven’t got their mining ship yet.
If you're salty and you know it, punch your chair...
If you're salty and you know it, punch your chair.
If you're salty and you know it and you really wanna show it,
If you're salty and you know it, punch your chair
Thunk thunk
That one made my day surviving the hospital, thanks xD
Mike was ITCHING for a pause button lol
Already thinking through developing a tool to show optimum in-ship cargo positions for different grid layouts when loading-up for missions with multiple stops and types of goods... really looking forward to 3.24.
jared said...... "maybe they can haul the new auroras to the show room"
Oh shit when?
@@saltemikereacts while talking about hauling vehicles. sorry i didnt time stamp it. EDIT: found it at 49:20
@@alexanderdooley5833 Oh wow I didn't even catch that.... I wonder if it's going to be similar to the dragon-fly design a lot of people have been floating around where the wings expand like the Scorpius?
@@Billy-bc8pk I think it will have a Scorpius cockpit with connie style sides keeping its original form with pick-up truck vibes and connie style vtols. the aurora has no room for any components as it is now. I'm betting 4.0 brings this ship update with the host of other ship updates.
The rage of an IDE saying it should work, then trying it...and it doesn't work...
yeah! a callout to Jack Axton! love it!!
ships should be craftable in game from refined mined materials or purchased from shops, so the demand for materials comes from getting ships for less than the AUEC cost by buying the materials and crafting it yourself. AUEC cost of ships should be based on three times the cost of buying materials and bulding it yourself up to a cap (under the assumption that if materials get more expensive on the market, the ship manufacturers will do their own mining, which maybe could be influenced by piracy, like the more players pirate in an area, the higher the cost of purchased ships get, therefore increasing the value that materials can be sold for)
I love the content drip from May-June all the way to CitizenCon.
Imagine renting a constellation andromeda to do these cargo missions and losing money doing it.
So as a pirate, taking cargo might not be worth it due to it not being that valuable.
Guaranteed extortion will be seen more frequently then!
Also, now i want a npc mission giver that punch chairs wen something goes wrong.
I will say, at least it seems like some people on the team are active in the community. Punch more chairs!
Mike....you are really on Jarrod's hit list today ehh????
All this means that solo players are going to be seriously gimped. Makes sense sure, but it still sucks for those people so solo players would likely have to seek out more profitable opportunities like salvaging or mining perhaps. Sure it can be a one man job, but your profit is probably going to be rather low compared to those other sources
How though? Some people enjoy just running cargo for a little payout. And with no buy in for any of the cargo missions, it can be just as lucrative if you can plan correctly. Unlike commodity trading, you aren't at the mercy of not having to have the money up front. I'll give you that from what we saw, there might be better options for making money, but I would contend that this may be better for rep grinds rather than credit grinds. Not everyone is a min/maxxer or even wants to do that every session.
This is going to be good for solo's?? I don't see any reason it would gimp solo
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Love you Salty but the reason everyone is giving you so much shit for punching the chair was it was extremely childish. Just own it and move on and people will drop it. Getting flustered when people give you shit for it dosent look good as well. You have great content and been watching you for years so please dont take the advice the wrong way.
I don’t have to own fooling around, it’s been a meme on the channel for like a year. I’m not apologizing for being a goof…
@@saltemikereacts Don't apologize you shouldent have to. Just don't let them get under your skin they are not worth it. Just own it. "ya I slapped my chair I can mess around if I want to what are you going to do about it" or something like that.
@@saltemikereacts That thing you're doing already, keep doing it. Just remember it was my idea when you do.
Everyone? No sir... dont presume to speak for "everyone"
It was kinda funny and also its a great metaphor for how a lot of us feel about some things about SC in the form expressionist dance.
He has nothing to apologise for and im pretty sure he doesn't need your advice.
It's basically modern art.
@@1aatlas you complain allot about what words people use don't you lol. Most people know that everyone when used dosent mean every human being on the planet.
Getting called out by Jared was really funny, really shows how in-tune they can be with the community.
gave me a good chuckle
In tune with the community?!?! Yiiikes
Yeah but does Jared really not know about the best space trucker in the verse? How can you not know about Jack Axton? Guy has the voice of a celebrity radio host and one of the most dedicated online communities ever.
@@BB-848-VAC Oh you're one of those people. Go away play something else.
not giving timestamp should be a crime
edit: 15:40
Jared shouting you out is hilarious, he keeps bringing it up so maybe you hurt his feelings 😂
It think he probably thinks it’s insane. Cause he doesn’t know it’s been a joke for years, or he doesn’t realize that being strung along for 12 years might frustrate someone.
@@saltemikereacts Exactly, there are many players that have sunk upwards of $20,000 into the game while they've been strung along for the last 12 years. Meanwhile, Jared's had upwards of $500,000 enter his bank account. There is a glaring asymmetry there that Jared is incapable of fully appreciating.
@@CHEESYhairyGASH lol wow so he makes less than 50K a year, that's rough!
@@CHEESYhairyGASH If that's true, that's sad, I have no college degree and I've made way more than that. I was fresh out high school 12 years ago. seems like he needs a pay raise.
Punch the chair for God’s sake! Maybe you get that ytmnd reference?
I think that’s a harmless, exuberant, exciting, expression of enthusiasm!
Keep fighting the good fight - everyone, everywhere needs an honest champion, random inanimate furniture is a ladder to success!
Now Mike punches his chair in celebration 🎉😂
lol the way jarred just stared into the camera like he was staring at salt e mike after that callout was gold lol
I could easily see myself just doing these cargo missions for hours tbh. I really look forward to loading and unloading. I also look forward to being able to buy up cargo somewhere, store it close by, and take it to sell later.
I worry the mission reward isn’t good enough, but I will still do them
@@saltemikereacts I definitely agree, I'm holding out hope that the excel sheet was just to give us a rough idea on how they decide the rewards, and not necessarily representative of the rewards we could see. (They did put that the numbers aren't final or whatever in there too, but who knows). I look forward to Evo being able to get in and hearing what you all have to say on it.
I actually like this, it makes the concept of the pirate loop more palatable because now it starts to equalize risk a little, where i am not out personally "buying" the cargo. This makes way more sense, and i love that stolen cargo cant be sold just anywhere and it will be a decreased value, lot if good stuff in this episode
The reason for Jared to mention punching the chair so much? For once he gets to make you the focus of a meme!
I think the next step is Privateer contacts. Being paid by a third party on behalf of one of the rival haulage firms to bottleneck certain resources to effect the market. Think, state sponsorship of piracy. Would be cool, and a way to offload the goods from the battle and make money.
Only 10 minutes in and this is a great fucking episode. This is exactly what I wanted to see from the Devs when it comes to building out the economy and tying it into the game.
Also Jared was cracking me up this episode with the Salt E callouts.
This might actually be the best SCL I've seen! Both devs were very well spoken, careful to explain everything clearly and tried to anticipate any questions we might have about each step. No messing around, very little hopium/copium, just clearly and simply presented how the new missions are created and intended to function. This is what "open development" should look like IMO; it's not about *me* personally loving everything they add to the game, it's about me being able to understand what's coming, how it functions and why they made it that way.
More of this please Jared, please!!!
I like the idea of being able to work your way through the ranks as a hauler pilot. Or even other jobs like a hauler engineer, but you don't have to buy the ships for the work. Instead of earning money to buy a Hull D, you could instead earn the reputation to be trusted with a company Hull D.
Episode was great, the new guy was so well spoken and composed. Generally seems like they are moving in a good direction, and words like progression and meaningful rewards are such music to my ears.
I didn't catch the part where you worked on their ships? It's just them hiring your ship to haul their stuff is how I understand it.
I LOVE that they called you out LOL
They are missing the fun GAME aspect of this all. A rare mission that gives you a chance at an item worth tons of AUEC. It's all too rigid and real imagine paying close to 60-80 USD and having to farm 4500 AUEC missions until your next ship upgrade which start in the millions.
They are incentivized NOT to make fun rewarding missions because they WANT us to purchase ships with real money, not from hitting gold on a cool find in a mission!!! BIG WORRY!
In the min 3:40 in the Logistical Infrastructure legend you can see SaltEMike face 😂😂😂
46000 aUEC/hr got it. So not worth playing. Slight sarcasm since we're supposed to ignore numbers but not really...
So if you played a hour a day every day without fail for a year and hypothetically could do it without ever spending a single aUEC credit (no fuel, repairs, restocking, gear, insurance claims, failed missions, 30Ks, ship upgrades, pirates, or anything else) you still wouldn't be able to buy one C2.
You can tell me all the numbers are fake all you want. All you are really telling me is you haven't thought two seconds about this and if they have it's a malicious attempt to drive people to the store.
...But I'm supposed to just ignore the numbers so ignore all of this. 😉 If you tell me not to add it up of course I am going to want to add it up all the more.
I have to be honest: this channel is the only way I've been watching ISCs and SCLs for the last year or so. I used to watch some of when they went live if I had the time (so I missed most), but it also resulted in me "screaming at my screen" (realistically: get grumpy and keep my thoughts inside, kids and stuff), thanks to you SaltEMike and since I share a bunch of your opinions, I don't have to
Jared making a comment on you punching your chair is hilarious and one more peice of the community interaction wirh CIG.
I thought the chair punch thing was great...i think Jared thought the same.
The economy thing is great too...hope to see it in action soon.
They can talk all they want, I'm not impressed by it one bit. They talked for the better part of the last 12 years.
I would vote that you don't do this live again. Miss a lot trying to listen to you and them . Better when you pause and give a full reaction.
34:30 "you could possibly pay people to fly with you"
YES PLZZ!!
they finally show @JackAxton some love LMAO
Probably the best SCL I’ve watched
Will believe it when I see it. They can't even make a box mission work reliably after 13 years.
Man this all sounds awesome, cant wait for it to be in game and working
Im assuming/hoping there are 'unverified' hauling missions from derelict outposts on 1 planet to another planet, aka high payouts, but also high value commodities (similar to what we see on ERT ships) that give pirates some exciting PvP opportunities to earn those types of commodities we typically only find on NPC ships.
Salty became a meme to the community
I’ve been…
@@saltemikereacts l love your work although!
Does anyone know where to get those chairs?
Jaread really couldn't let go of the chair punch lmao that ending
Crusader platform missions.. which now don't work (broken since 3.23, loved them)
-- NEWSFLASH -- SC HAS AN ECONOMY! :D
I definitely thought 4k is low.. For 95scu? Thats really low! I've heard people talking that aUEC is actually suppose to have a way higher value than we have now. If that is the plan and they adjust things to cost less, then ok. If not, 4k is not enough. I agree with some of the people saying. Nothing is 0 risk and nothing is *only* 10 minutes in SC.
That one hour one though? Amazing.
So at first I thought their example was a low payout, but then I thought a VLRT only pays about 4k and depending on your ship, location, and flight ability can be comparable in time but slightly more risky.
4k or 20k in one hour... uh ?
I can make millions with a reclaimer during the same times, or probably a million loading beryl on my C2. Wtf are they thinking ? They make it P2W, because a concierge with a reclaimer will make millions while a starterpack player will need weeks to grinds a reclaimer and do the same. Low grade missions need to pay more to help people who dont invested much in the game.
about the cargo missions, just make sure that the total transferred amount should be HUGE, and I mean it!
That would allow freelacners to support the cause instead of allowing orgs to collect $$$.
Salty all these guys giving you crap about punching your chair... I guarantee have done it through the course of this development. "There are those who have punched a chair because of SC, and those who will."
I would like to see the mission bord (cargo) also correlate with commodity demand. I see there are a lot of missions asking for titanium to go to Hurston. So if I buy a lot and take it outside the mission, it should pay a higher payout bc demand WAS high. Then, have some of the unaccepted missions disappear.
This is good, but will the data collected from these be used in real time to inform "pirate" missions for players of that reputation. AND, will the crime stat system be adjusted to account for those that choose to make a career of this activity? i.e. perma-flagged status
Like or not Mike... Punching the Chair is now iconic and very meme-able. I can see why it would be a meme in the CIG offices as well ha ha.
1 thousand people in Stanton, why do we need quanta? There’s gonna be a line of ships, players. Eve had quanta originally at the start and got ride of it eventually cause they game no longer needed it. One day SC won’t need it.
Omg not the mint mobile commercial breakaway right as Mike is mid punch!!! Good shit man love your content
Now as someone who uses the mole once in a while, I can see miners playing a big part in building the trading system, when people move ore around. Will that possible be a thing? Someone who mines can sell their ore at said place on planet, sell, rinse and repeat? And make a sum off of doing it?
I wonder what they’re going to do about stealing hauling mission commodities once crafting does get implemented, because if there is no consequence to stealing (aside from rep loss I assume) then those hauling missions are just free materials.
It was a great show, but IDK, I feel like 20K/hour is really less...
Does the reward not seem extremely low? 20k an hour seems like pennies and their longer mission was 46k which they were talking about sharing amongst a crew. I'm pretty disappointed honestly that it sounds like going up in rep just means more volume. I was hoping rarer commodities as you went up so you could still run a small ship. I don't care much for the huge cargo ships but sometimes I like to move a little cargo really was hoping some of the higher rep missions would be viable for someone flying a medium sized ship.
Seeing a little of their evr calculation I'd really appreciate if they increased the whole thing. Mission payouts feel really undervalued. Only things I do that make money anymore are salvaging and bounties but only in ships with a cargo hold to take valuables away. I miss running bounties and service beacons in fighters cuz it was fun and I'd make some money doing it
I will say i hope we see small risky missions worth the time
I think what they showed was a basic structure outline for generating these missions, not that there wouldn't be low volume/high payout missions. What they showed was a very low risk mission that showed a quick completion time thus the low reward. Missions where more effort would be required to be completed on time would affect how much you are paid for completing them.
Keep in mind ANY numbers they showed are not final, and if they are too low then they can adjust it to make it more desirable after feedback. Yes currently there are several loops that pay more, but I would wager they are already aware that if they make it too tedious/boring no one will be doing them. CIG aren't stupid and they will revisit things if they have to, as many times as they have to. From everything I gathered from this is many factors are already being considered, amd we don't know the full breadth of what they have planned for these missions yet.
@@edwarddomenico9601 they explained that there's various different commodities to move in the mission but they said the volume is based on your rep higher rep missions higher volume in the video. If that's not the way it works I'll be incredibly happy to be wrong.
I'm also not saying they're stupid I just believe that whatever value per time or risk they believe is fair I really do not believe the same. The values they gave in this make me nervous but I already felt that they were not rewarding enough on mission payouts from what is currently in pu. Again if they change payouts for the better soon cool I'll be happy
@@trichartfix sure and I understood that, but we didn't exactly see them do a small run with high difficuty rating to see how it stacked up against itself. Maybe they will show that during SCL next week. On the rep stuff, the small cargo stuff goes all the way to tier 6 in rep, which could mean(and I hope I'm not coping here) that each level gets more difficult/risky as your rep level increases. Meaning, if you get higher rep with small runs, the mission supplied will be same volume, but higher risk/greater reward. Of course that is ONLY IF I am reading that chart right they showrd in the beginning.
The only worst economy of SC is city skyline 2 one.... 20k/h † rip cargo mission?
They need to just fire the whole team and start over.
I won't play again until ppl like Jared, are gone.
If you make 1000 youtube videos and you punch one chair, You're not a content creator but a chair puncher!
Kind of cool that there is a live interaction between Jaret, Eliot the spy and You about the chair punching happening from last week!
Now it could be cool, next time you got one of those punching figures, with Jaret´s face on.....just in case!
Also liked that you reacted to seeing it live!
He doesn't hate Jared. He hates the fact that CIG doesn't have enough content to cover 12 years in.
@@vorpalrobot I know!! Just a joke! after all it is just a game! A game we all Love to Hate and hate to Love in a way! Think that most of us when watching for the first ten secs, felt like punching the chair, but was positively shocked, like Mike! Jared got me there as well!
discover that economy in 3.24, better be a full wipe or none of this means anything
imO. extremely low reward, killing a few animals on microtech gives more than 4k lol
Voip has been working for me though
so wholesome
Well in time for us getting furniture 🪑 new furniture interaction/emote chair punching
Is there a link for purchasing a Drake Chair? It must have duct tape.
They’re really focused on the punching the chair like it’s a punchline lol 😂
I wonder if they’ll have it so that when a player sells ore to a refinery instead of refining it themselves, you could buy it and transport it from the refinery
Pretty sure that will be covered by StarSim once that comes online, as the ore gathered/produced/refined will be factored into the supply/demand throughout the solar system.
i couldnt sit at the center of attention without a dress shirt or jacket.
im not that comfortable in my body to wear a t-shirt to work.
"What happens when you have the C2? You can do 5 of these" well do 5 then 😅
6:56 What's missing here is local delivery _within_ a landing zone (or other large location). I want to have a character that doesn't own a ship, but makes a living a) doing local deliveries, and b) commodity trading. There used to be those kinds of missions in some places, but I guess they were delivery, not hauling.
You can do that now at the distro centres. There are a bunch of delivery missions within the distro centre where you have to move around cargo from one side or section to the other. Mules and Spartans work perfectly for those kind of missions.
wow. what an episode.
can't wait for it!
I don't have a problem with a cargo mission paying out only 4k.
I do have a problem with a cargo mission requiring more than 100SCU cargo space and just paying out 4k.
That is completely out of whack compared to all other parts of gameplay.
Yea…but it’s about 8 boxes so that makes it less bad, but still not great
Don't like the pricing loading 60-100scu +all the other stuff to get 5k really don't like it might accept 10k but it will still deal really bad.
It aound like the smalles ships will be useless here you have a mission 60scu for 5k and your cargo is under 32 the I guess I have nothing That interests me I was hoping for something that will make small scale trading good lets sey 6scu delivery A-B peyout abou 5-10k at least why do we have. I don't want that king of gameplay to be more then wrist of time I would like it if it did not deal like you are getting scraps
My problem is maybe it the whole idea of scaling stuff so low it's like leather armour in Minecraft just not worth it.
Why not just play anno this seems like convoluted bs
Liking the level of thought that has gone into the mission-design process.
Need to petition CIG for a chair punching emote 👊🪑
Salty Looks like Jared.... Carbon copy...
"No chairs were harmed in the making of this episode"
omg a reacts that isnt 4x the origiinal videos length lmao,
Master modes further ruined pirate/citizen interaction
LOOK AT THIS INFOGRAPH, THE MORE I LOOK IT MAKES ME LAUGH
CIG devs need to play X4 and take a lot of notes.
I still think it’s a little ass backwards, without the crafting loops any demand is faked. They seem set on actually having manufacturing or crafting, so why not build that demand, instead we are doing cargo missions for moving things that have no request for those things. I thought they was going to talk about it.
Fairly play to the dev though, he communicated well and clearly has worked hard in moving things forward.
Ok of course, but without a cargo system that makes sense crafting is lacking as well right?
@@saltemikereacts where do you stop with that justification though, by that same methodology they are justified making only assets and no gameplay, because eventually you need assets to craft right. Thank god they made all 155 ships just incase one day gameplay might use them.
@@Eagle6AirsoftKinda? They’d have to make the assets eventually. Now they’re already ready to go for the most part for crafting to be added on top of them.
Same with the ships. Or the new water mechanics with debris in the water and such, even though we can’t swim in the game yet. When we get swimming it will matter a lot more.
I hate the slow-pacing in many regards, but it’s true all these assets and work aren’t useless, even if they don’t immediately have function. Like all the Knick-knacks that gain usefulness as decorations in personal hangars.
@@antonivi8968 yeah they are all ready to go for the most part apart from a full rework of all 155 ships to gold standard. Time saved.
An hour to set up a live stream? haha ITS A DMAN LAPTOP, A GOOD MIC(s) and a webcam!!
Hopefully there will be background AI cargo runners to keep the minimal chain supply running. Economy would stall if players decide not to run certain commodities.
Nice. The only sad thing is that the basics of the hauling missions are being solved after 12 years of development...
Mike, what's that on your arm? Was the chair fighting back?
SORRY, can't help myself.. :D
They're stuck on the chair because it's a funny bit at your expense.. I doubt they would mention it if you hadn't followed it up with praise, they never mention creators when the creator is just being angry.
Take your licks and be happy they're paying attention to the community's reactions.
Another great episode in the books! Really happy with how they seem to be approaching these missions.
I think Jared mentioned you punching a chair like 30 times which was pretty damn funny too 😂 I always wondered if they watch community videos responding to these and I think it’s obvious they do. Some awesome shoutouts to multiple content creators in this episode!!
I am so excited gosh dang
My guess with the physical appearance of npc haulers, they may be tied to dealing mostly with the routine QOL commodities such as fuel and ammo when a location doesn’t get restocked with a certain timeframe by players.
Moreover, there is a hint here that you can buy raw ore from locations which you MAY be able refine yourself for a smaller profit then doing both the mining and refining parts but offers an alternative mining route for those who haven’t got their mining ship yet.
15:41 i saw what he did there kappa
Can wait for the hauling missions I always loved running cargo but was always missing the availability of commodities and then the actual loading
So 4.0 next year?