Never Underestimate Mark Cavendish | Tour de France 2024 Stage 5 | JB2
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- It marked a historic milestone in the Tour de France, a moment many of us yearned for, dreamt of, yet doubted would materialize. Amidst this remarkable stage, emotions ran high among the Peloton and the entire team at WEDU.
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I really respect Johan, but his rationale "he can't do it now" is why Cav was rejected by so many teams, having to basically go around begging for a place. He always delivers, despite all these doubters. What a rider. GOAT.
JB love the insights, here’s a question. You mentioned the power numbers this young riders are putting out. Just for perspective what are the current power numbers for the crew on The Move and Johans? What were their numbers when they were racing.
Cav, the greatest sprinter of all time, no doubt. To beat the best in the world -- guys 20 years younger than him -- at 39 is a testament to his grit, work ethic, and talent. Chapeau!
The great Peter Sagan came and went during Mark's (ongoing) career. Astounding.
Sadly, for me at least (Huge freaking fan), the quote "I suppose a fire that burns that bright is not meant to last" never made so much sense as to when you look back to Peter's career
@@BMCS97 All I remember is he made a helluva lot of races really fun to watch. And don't forget, he won a lot even after they marked him ferociously.
Ronaldo and Cavendish laughing at this
Johan has his a** hurting thinking about Vino... bro congratulate the guy. He did a good job. We forget the 1st stage where the whole team was babysitting Cav for 150km...
I think we do not forget-not even a li'l bit. Mark paid 'em back, is my view.
More flat stages to come... this is going to get exciting with the sprint stages and green jersey competition. ❤ Sir Cavendish!
Thanks for putting that into perspective. He beat the father AND the son. WOW.
Cav is a genius
Greetings from Sri Lanka. Congratulations Sir Mark Cavendish the greatest sprinter all time. How about a few more wins Sir. Can't believe my eyes watching the finish. 👍👍👍♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Congrats to Cavendish. After watching the Netflix about him: I hope that he can gets inner peace to enjoy his familie more now he has made it :)
5:00 George always believed in him. Cav is not as powerful as the others - but has a low frontal area, and great instincts/bike handling skills. 35 TDF wins happen for a reason (including 4 in 2021).
Incredible instinct to know just where he needs to be with or with out a lead out !
Exactly. His instinct is genius not his power
@@dickieblench5001 The power was just enough.
Did y'all see that Quickstep rep try to take some credit for Cavs win?? Could y'all imagine the nerve of that guy.... Good for Cav he's not through by any means with this Le Tours stage wins. Great insight as always. 👍🏻🇬🇧💯🚵🏽♀️🇨🇵
hey come on, Cav wouldn't have got close to the record without him and as it stands Quick Step just weren't including a sprinting strategy in their plans, otherwise, you could have seen them including him. I think it was great that Lefevere was so happy and effusive towards Cav.
@@512Squared ...or was there some Belgian nationalistic pride influence/bias (or even pressure?) from 'King Eddy' on Lefevere to leave Cav off of that year's roster in order to protect his 'sacred 50 year old record'?!?
Always remember. Eddy Merckx only had 8 Tour de France.
So what? He competed against a peloton that was 98% nobodies who had no clue about training or nutrition. Cav has beaten all of the greatest sprinters over the past 16 years
@@MattSwain1 its not smart to compare. almost impossible to compare.
He also won various types of stages, not just sprints. Both are amazing
Cav is the MAN!!
love this format
Thanks Gents! Really enjoy your review and analysis of each race!
The chain popping of is fascinating. I totally missed it but of course Johan didn't.....
Hmm, Maybe Power.
I find Johan’s insights particularly interesting. He is able to identify significant details in race tactics or strategy that others don’t appreciate or understand. He is the first to point out Mark Cavendish’s chain consistently popping off at the finish. I just saw a really good slow motion video of that, crazy.
Awesome show gents , appreciate the knowledge and great content !! cheers neil
Maybe Intermarche-Wanty should put Gerben Thijssen on the sprint train till he learns how to win like Biniam Girmay?
Congrats Cav!!!🥳🎊🎉
Superb podcast Johan a legend and Jimmy brings it all together, love to hear you both, especially when Sir Mark rode himself into the history books, what a sprinter! Thanks guys
First I want to congratulate you guys on a excellent report on stage 5 of the TF the best, all the others are junk. Your comments on Cav well done and the rest of your reporting is excellent I have lot more to say about Cavs win but that’s for a later time. I just wanted to thank you.
164 lifetime pro victories
Congrats Johan and JB. Immaculate content. Best in the business 👏
Bini is now in the green Jersey. The only other time I have seen a black rider in a jersey was Daniel T in the Polkadot Jersey in I think 2015. Also, has InterMarchet ever had a Jersey in the Tour?
Spotting Cav's chain coming off was amazing. I must have watched that finish 10 times and never caught that. After you brought it to light I went back to watch again and sure enough it happened. 👍👍
I want a list of the guys who have taken 2nd to him. I think that would really speak to how great he is. I mean Jasper, Caleb Ewan, Peter Sagan, to name a few.
I put together the list. I'll post it soon. Surprisingly Caleb never took 2nd to Mark.
2008
Oscar Freire
Gerald Ciolek
Sebastian Chavenel
Robbie McEwen
2009
Tyler Farrar Twice
Thor Hushovd Thrice
Mark Renshaw
2010
Gerald Ciolek
Tyler Ferrari
Alessadro Petacchi Twice
Julian Dean
2011
Philippe Gilbert
Alessadro Petacchi
Andre Greipel
Tyler Farrar
Edvald Boasson
2012
Andre Greipel
Matthew Harley
Peter Sagan
2013
Edvald Boasson
Peter Sagan
2015
Andre Greipel
2016
Marcel Kittel. Twice
Andre Greipel
Alexander Kristoff
2021
Nacer Bouhanni
Jasper Philipsen
Wout Van Aert
Michael Morkov (Marks Lead out. Jasper took 3rd)
2024
Jasper Philipsen....
Some of them I would like to highlight. Thor Hushovd, Mark Renshaw, Alessadro Petacchi, Andre Greipel (!), Peter Sagan, Marcel Kittel (😮) Jasper Philipsen, and Wout van Aert. And some of the guys that took second to him never ended up winning a stage in the tour. Tyler Farrar took second to Mark four times. FOUR! And ended up winning one individual stage.
Quite a career.
Johan's Insights are always INSIGHTFUL! a part of cycling as normal cyclist will never know
Cavendish probably would have hung it up except for the fact that Eddie Meryx was rude to him, back when Cav did NOT achieve that goal of besting his record.
Cav won against the best, everyone was there in the bunch sprint. It's gotta feel good to know you have the speed to ride away from Jasper.
To be honest, without illness and crashes, Cavendish would be at 40 wins now.
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True, but the same can be said of most sprinter careers.
BtW Johan Bruyneel even managed Astana Team in 2008-2009 riders like Alberto Contador and returned Lance Armstrong.
In addition to THE MOVE and JB2 I also watch our Slovenian national media Cycling Podcast, and JB2 is miles ahead, I love your objectivity, as you also speak of Pogačar's and UAE's weak sides, and tell it as it is.
Cav even warned Pogi "don't beat it!" 😅 then he smacked his face 😈 that's Pogi motivation to beat it 💪
After Cav, what pure sprinter has the next most stage wins in the Tour? I don't think that is highlighted enough for Cav. You guys are the best!
35 stages in TDF, 17 stages of the Giro and 3 Vuelta wins...that's 55 grand tour stage wins!!!! Cav is and will always be the GOAT! And, he's not done!
Johan's insights are fabulous - big thanks to both of you.
Concerning the chain: Fabian Wegmann, former German pro pointed out while commentating on German TV (ARD) that the chain came off because a) Cav stopped pedaling and then b) Cav backpedaled a bit. Accoring to Wegmann it's normal that the chain jumps off then and that it's Cav's style of riding.
What do you think, Johan?
To me it's not so surprising at all. During the sprint the drivetrain is under enormous stress. When the power cuts, the drivetrain "unloads", so to speak, so there's a jolt. Under the right circumstances, with the proper timing, this jolt makes the chain come off. Looks like Mark's style is perfect for this. That slight backpedal might also help.
It's a known phenomenon in engineering. This also happened during Saturn V launch. When the first stage shut down, there was a powerful jolt forward. It's even shown in the Apollo 13 movie, albeit a bit inaccurately, for dramatic effect, of course.
I also congratulate Mark Cavendish. It's a good thing that Jasper Philipsen didn't go "full gas"...he could have easily taken the win. Jasper was a real gentleman this time around and gave the win to Mark. Once again, CONGRATULATIONS to both men.
Yep, no doubt all Cav's sprinter competitors in this race were being "gentlemen" and he can count himself lucky to come across so many gentlemen during 165 pro victories.
Phillipsen. What a true gentleman 😂
Yesterday Johan said Ayuso was not all in yesterday, was Lance all in during the 2009 tour? That is one of the stories we all want to hear.
Roglic is a former ski jumper 💪🏻
Probably one of THE most unlikely transitions in all of sport. 😉
JB (Austin): “slowing down” reference is from Michael Jordan.
Ah.... thank you. You are correct. jb
Cavendish beating now 53 year old Erik Zabel in his first TdF stage win is wild.
Question for Johan:
When in training, do the teammates also go all out against each other in long climbs? I'm thinking of Ayuso and Pogačar; if so, wouldn't Ayuso know where he is in regards to Pogačar, and if hea has any chance at all?
Is it possible that Ayuso's thinking about 'pulling' a Kuss move and that way Pogačar wouldn't be able to attack his own?
Is it possible for UAE to have Ayuso as a serious contender (just like Jumbo with Vinge and Roglič couple of years ago) in case Pogačar has a really bad day like last two years?
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When you are turning the cranks hard and fast in a small cog and you stop pedaling the chain goes slack as the freehub has to coast now. That takes a second to happen and it all stalls to use a phrase That is worse with some hubs than others but I don’t think it has as much of an effect in a larger cog. Leverage or something. You can come close to doing this in the workstand but watch the fingers.
At least that is my observation and experience. But it’s only a rough theory.
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Best sprint in history?
No
Bruyneel got absolutely demolished by Cavendish win. Such a doubter.
He judged by the form of Cav so far, beeing sick few days ago. But Cav is an animal rides purely by instinct, today the stars and planets aligned foe him. When I soid the front camera after they took the right hand turn I started screaming, couldn’t believe my eye😂🎉
@@tubetiz Yeah, hes an absolute beast of a human. Johan should know better though.
@@GllmourHe should. All the reasons that the people who know him said he could do it, are reasons Johan should know too. Seemed to have a blind spot on this occasion.
And Lefev
I want to know what's next for him now? Retirement? DS?
Hmm, Maybe Bini Needs a Better team. Go to Astana and have Cav Coach him. Congrats Cav beautiful to see all the emotions.
I think Vino went to Stefano Varjas and bought one of those undetectable motors so Cav could get glory for himself and team Astana
Where does the 'dish stand in the pantheon of great cyclists?
JB2, Please feel free to address/ignore this because I can see how it is somewhat irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Richard Carapaz is technically the 2nd EF rider in yellow ever, 2011 Garmin Cervelo had Thor Hushovd in yellow for 7 stages. Different era of the team so I understand how it maybe changes things.
astana is getting sponsored by the biggest chinese carbon bike manufacturer in the country just announced today
I know this will put the "cat amongst the pigeons" , but did anyone else think this victory looked "fishy". Could the peloton have decided to hand this win to Cavandish? Where has he been in any of the previous sprints? Its not like he was even close ... also where were the other lead out trains? I am with Johan , it seemed impossible before and still sort of does....
Johan should get down and beg for Cav's forgiveness for burying him for the last 7 years. Another "expert" that buried the little master yet still talks and talks.
Was there an agreement that if he was there in it, they would give it to him? I am always suspicious.
Nope
No they were fighting
Pogacar took down a couple guys with that distracted daredevil move, why no comments on that?
There should be better warnings for road furniture. Things happen. Not everything is someone's fault.
How was that podgacar taking down other riders? For goodness sake people like you should never be in any position to review anything. Or exist..
I am a cyclist. I always watch the tour. I own 8 bikes.
...but I think the number of wins is so meh. I mean the drooling over breaking the number of wins is kind of silly when the world is crumbling around us.
Whatever....