The REAL Problem With Boeing's Starliner...
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Currently it is still somehow safer to be a Boeing astronaut than it is to be a Boeing whistleblower
For how long?
Doesn't boeing technically have blame for the space shuttle columbia? It is the same kind of thing. They knew there are problems that could affect a safe reentry. Problems caused by boeing ignoring a design flaw and doing nothing to reduce the risk. They will ignore the risk and try to reenter while rolling the dice all over again with starliner.
@@_PatrickOI don't thing so. Precisely because they don't want to make the same mistakes again as they did with Columbia, they take twice as much time to double and triple check the smallest mistakes.
@@_PatrickO space shuttle was the biggest peaceful waste of money in human history. The only quality science we got was Hubble, and you didn't even need space shuttle for that.
@@B055DERB055E I guess you did not pick up on what was said. Boeing gets the body count on columbia credited to them. Remember, the slide in boeing started in the 90s with the McDonnell Douglas merger.
Starliner's failure is an example of boeing doing exactly what it has been doing for almost 30 years.
"The astronauts are not stranded in space... they are just having a fun extended vacation forever in space."- Boeing Execs
It's not our fault the space station space suits don't work, we were going to land wearing them.....
"They are not stranded in space" but also they can't come home yet because it's not safe, hmm... 🤔
Questionable...
I believe the response is better summed up as “gaining as much design analysis data as possible before the test article phase changes in the atmosphere.”
Didn't you read? it's perfectly safe.... according to the people who tell them they can't come home yet.
No questions, just zero answers.
This 'real-world' testing should have been done after the last flight had the same problems.
That isn't what was said.
We live in a world where stores sell camping tents "Not suitable for outdoor use", cars that re-tune themselves prior to emission testing and ya'll surprised somebody skewed the test criteria so the thrusters passed?
Emission testing is BS anyway
Boeing: We built a Space craft "Not suitable for Space flights". Niceeeeee
When it dawns on you that the same company responsible for doors on planes flying off mid-flight, is the same company that's supposed to return people from space.
😳 **heavy breathing**
They said the same thing with Challenger and Columbia. "Safety" of the crew is of the "utmost" importance to "us", the crew is "not" in any "danger".
No one is ever going to admit they built a death trap....
Starliner isn't incapacitated, it was just suffering from jetlag and it had a cold. Starliner admits it's not as young as it used to be and just had a bad night.
You're mistaken...that is Joeliner....
LOL
Oh, it only works from 10 am to 4 pm ....5 days a week
Why are you judging Starliner's performance on just one problematic flight? You should be looking at its track record of success over the past several years. We're just getting started, c'mon man.
@@RonColeArt like I said, catch a ride. But hey, Morton Thiokol had a good success record. As they say, past performance does not guarantee future success. This isn't a game on Playstation.
It may be painful for Mr. Stitch to read what is being said about Star Liner. The truth does hurt sometimes. Boeing as a company is having a bit of truth trouble right now all the way around.
It's the Culture.
He really needs to embrace the interest people have in it. You can't get people to stop making critical comments by asking them. He needs to turn the lemons into (still very sour) lemonade by saying he appreciates how involved everyone is in the discourse. He doesn't have to mean it but it would help his cause to accept criticism is going to continue.
it's not that we're being mean, we're just not capable of being nice right now. we plan to be nice at a later time... maybe. 😅
Not stranded, just stuck without the ability to come back.
Where is Will Robinson when you need a fresh perspective on the issues?
They wanted to find the cause of the problem. And that sits in the part of the capsule that's planned to be separated and will burn up. The bare capsule will return.
The part with the failure sits in a module, that's mounted beneath the heat shield of the capsule. It's the module that steers the capsule, has propellant tanks and thrusters.
In Apollo times a similar module was the cylindrical module directly under the capsule.
Hopefully not another titanic esque tragedy
"stuck without the ability to come back" is the very meaning of the word "stranded"
@@johnseah5678 exactly
Boeing still has far too many MBA's trying to save a penny costing millions per penny, not enough engineers designing and testing.
Yes sir, it’s like I always tell my wife,
She always tell me how much she saved on whatever overpriced purchase
I tell her we’re going to reach a point where we can’t afford to save any more money
While it may not be "stranded", it's hard to imagine starliner can get certified for regular missions after this fiasco...
MAX did.
Na with some old fashion corruption and money, it’s solved.
Boeing. The sick man of aeronautics
World flies on Airbus and Boeing. You want to walk ?
No u
@@williamcase426 Nope. I use both and more to fly, happily (so far 🥴)
@@causewaykayakBoeing has been shit last 10 years or so though
@@causewaykayakBuz it's gov funded & people waste gov money not their own
We all know that SpaceX is going to have to go up and get the Starliner crew.
I'll bet you $2 they don't.
Starliner (particularly Boeing) has sever problems but I'd bet a lot of money the crew will return safely on Starliner.
It costs around $200 million to launch SpaceX rocket. No one is going to foot the bill.
@@leezhiengif I were Elon I’d provide it free of charge just to further embarrass Boeing
Starliner is a technical, financial, political, and public relations train wreck, but as we've learned in recent years, train wrecks don't really constitute any sort of message for federal bureaucrats or contractors: because results don't really matter that much as long as all the guilty parties escape unscathed.
More like, results don't really matter that much as long as the correct people pocket billions of taxpayer dollars.
@@uzlonewolf There you go, so mission accomplished.
This Starliner mission is definitely going to turn into a movie
"Marooned" with Richard Crenna.
Boring movie. A room full of geeks poring over digital sensor data, and two astronauts calmly helping the ISS scheduled crew to catch up on their workload. No explosions, no starvation, no drama whatsoever. Just a capsule whose service module is leaking helium a little faster than normal.
A movie I will definitely not be watching.
@@wesleybeaver Just wait for SpaceX to step in and save the day
@@SWExplorenah.... Tom Cruise... he finally found a plot for the movie he wants to film on the ISS
Maybe if Boeing wasn't so ... ah ... messed up, people wouldn't criticise them.
Butch and Suni should call a Crew Dragon Ubr
Good idea. 😉
Official test pilot report “you aren’t big enough and there aren’t enough of you up here to get me back in that thing!”
Serious. Even after testing and an eventual "it's safe to return" test pilot or no, you can forget it.
🏆
I don’t understand that either.
Crew dragon please ?
just wondering when the first astronaut comes up with "if its boeing i aint going"...
Don't be so mean.....LMFAO!
Strand Liner is not stuck!! Hopefully, the door won't fall off or get stuck too, or as boing would say... 'NOT' stuck
to be safe i would send starliner back unmanned and send up crew dragon to get them
3:25 Yeah guys, stop bullying Boeing on Starliner already.
737 MAX on the other hand...
And the 787 Dreamliner. Maybe Boeing should stop naming things with "...liner" at the end of the name.
Hey the new max is fine it passed 8/11 test conditions.
@@louiscypher4186what new MAX
@@AnetaMihaylova-d6f The Max 10, it has been certified yet because it didn't pass all the tests. I was taking the piss because starliner failed 4 of its tests conditions on its unmanned flights and NASA said Yeap stick people in it.
Yeah, the KC46 is fine too.
They are clearly not confident that additional thrusters will also fail once it has left the ISS. You then have a situation with all kinds of potential hazardous outcomes.
Replicate on earth?? No, you can only be sure on the real thing.
Big call coming up.
If they value the lives of the crew they will defer to Dragon. Anything else is an unknowable risk
All the testing on Earth will not uncover the root cause, if the root cause is being in micro-gravity.
Or call up the Ol' Reliable. Russian Soyuz. Which is very likely what we're doing behind the scenes. Putin is laughing as we prostrate before him to make a special launch to get our people home.
[Putin] *хахаха Да, в самом деле!* How bad do you want us to get your astronauts home? Some public apologies for your meddling in Ukraine since 2008 will only be the beginning of negotiations.
@@BlackPill-pu4vi Russia certainly is an expert when it comes to "meddling in Ukraine", and is of course in need of all the graft they can get: "Russia is so dependent on China right now,” Stubb, 56, said in an interview in Helsinki Tuesday. “One phone call from President Xi Jinping would solve this crisis.”
But alas, the USA has no need for a spare capsule, Soyuz or otherwise, so your fantasy remains merely that.
@@BlackPill-pu4vi Why would you do that? We have a dragon launch soon, granted its mission is to do a spacewalk, and does not have a docking ring, but... With two new flight suits, it could bring them back.
@@thomasboese3793 Because the Soyuz has a docking ring and many years of experience. To move the astronauts from the ISS airlock to the capsule would require total depressurization of the capsule for them to enter. Then there has to be enough air to repressurize the capsule.
Glad to hear a little edge to your report on Boeing. The aquaponics piece sounded like it was straight from the corporate press release though
Remember folks. They're NOT stranded! NOT.... that's the opposite of if they _were_ stranded and couldn't leave the station!
It launched 5 years late and still has a lot of problems. I don’t think NASA or Boeing should be in the rocket business.
Or SpaceX, I suppose -- Crew Dragon was years late. Or ArianeGroup and their way-behind Ariane 6. Likewise for JAXA and the troubled H-III. Definitely nothing from the PRC: Their manned capsule program dragged on for about 35 years to the first flight, and their current airliner programs make Boeing look downright punctual.
@@marcmcreynolds2827 SpaceX is a decade ahead of NASA/Boeing.
@@ljre3397SpaceX is five decades behind NASA…
Boeing’s problem is outsourcing to third world countries for engineering…
@@ljre3397 SpaceX is however far ahead they are largely because of NASA, if you are familiar with the history of SpaceX.
@@allangibson8494 then why is Starliner broken? SpaceX hasn’t stranded anyone. I grew up with Gemini and Apollo so I know what NASA can do but their development process is stuck in the 60s.
No compassion for Boeing. Their miserable safety record speaks for itself. They handled this news release/media nightmare horribly and continue to do so even now.
"Being a representative of Boeing... it's pretty painful to read the things that are out there."
This is called, "The Truth hurts."
"We've gotten pretty good at " making sure whistleblowers have nothing negative to say about us "so far and it's being viewed rather negatively."
A solid reason to spend an extra 45 days to make sure the door is going to stay on during reentry since there is an established pattern of the government having to eliminate or "fix" Boeing's mistakes.
Good, the least you can get are hurt feelings for wasting billions of the peoples time and money
They should tow the ISS to a lagrange point between earth and the moon, so it only needs little if any propulsion capability. Then stock it with emergency provisions, fuel, food, oxygen, maybe even a fully fueled return capsule, and then use the station as an emergency "lifeboat"
Do you have any idea how far out the langrange points are?
The closest, L1, is about 320,000km, but being an unstable point, it would be better to use one of the others. Yes, that seems a long distance, but it could be done. How far away are the voyager probes? A fully fueld starship could easily pull the ISS to one of those points, then slingshot around the moon to make the trip back. I really dont understand why people think some things are completely impossible, but that kind of thinking is what has kept us confined to LEO for the past 50+yrs. It is a waste to just destroy the ISS
@@535phobos Or the costs of yearly maintenance. How many different fuels are going to be in storage? What boils off?
Good idea I was thinking they should do some reconfiguration of the iss fix what needs to be done and place it in a secure orbit around the moon as a staging base for moon landings, if they remove the Russian module then restructure it around a new configuration, and since they gave some time get some of those projects to tidy up all the junk in space the green light and make the room to move the iss away from the earth.
I wonder if Steve Stich or any of the other suits would get on board the Starliner and go through re-entry. So how about they get on Musk's machine, go up there and bring the craft home themselves.
after chernobly incident, to assure people there is no fallout effect on northern turkey, a minister went live on tv drinking tea grown in that region saying see it is safe.
airliner story kinda reminds me of that idk why.
Mars is only very rarely 54.6 million kilometres from earth. That is the minimum distance, which occurs when Earth is at Aphelion and Mars is at Perihelion and at the same time Mars is “in opposition” to earth.
(In opposition means the sun earth and Mars are in a dead straight line.) Mars is usually MUCH farther away.
Earth and Mars can be 401 million kilometres apart when both planets are on opposite sides of the sun and both planets are at Aphelion.
Hahahha...yeah, they're stuck and stranded. That crap Boeing capsule almost killed the astronauts on the way up. Years behind schedule and billions over budget. Legacy corporation dug deep in DEI vs hiring and equipping the best engineers has consequences.
Everything is definitely absolutely nothing-to-worry-about not stranded and fine, we honest-to-god swear! You guys are sullying Boeing’s considerable and substantial and continuing-excellent record of caring about quality!
🤣
"We understand these issues for a safe return. But we don't understand these issues enough yet for us to fix them permanently." -- Mark Nappi
lemme get this straight... so he's saying they only understand issues for a safe return "sometimes." wtf that's no consolation!
Detailed knowledge of what went wrong is not the same things as fixing it.
I hope Steve Stich have enough thread to Stitch Boeing StrandLiner together for NASA.
Many people are stranded in airports, train stations, traffic jams and all manner of other situations that precludes them from doing what they planned. Two people in a delayed, or maybe never to return to Earth leaking can is not an exception. They are stranded.
In your 'closed loop system' you forgot that fish have to eat and they can't eat bacteria !....cheers.
Wild tilapia feed on algae. Farm raised tilapia usually have a grain-based fish meal. You could maybe grow algae on Mars, but algae still need nutrients to grow, such as nitrogen and phosphorus.
maybe they can eat perchlorate. LOL
Those Martian fish are not gonna make nitrogen - likely will have to bring that along in sacks also they only use male fish in those systems .. keeps the fighting down and prevents little fry getting though the filter and eating all the plants being fertilised by their poo so need to somehow replace the dead fish. transport fish 9 months thru space? Not likely and fish eggs will not remain viable more than a few days in storage.
Question: Do they have the ability to return the Starliner remotely with no personnel on board if needed?
It's been done before in 2022, so they probably can
@@TheSpaceRaceYT I just said that and have a crew dragon come get them to be safe. because if they get killed returning because nobody wanted to call spacex im going to be pissed
With reference to the aquaponics plan: What about the perchlorates in the Martian soil? Won't the fish, if they survive, and the plants be toxic for human consumption?
Just a minor point! The whole Mars plan is stupid and will never happen. It's just a Musk fanboys' adolescent fantasy.
Boeing would like to assure everybody that Starliner is built to the highest diversity standards.
The software engineers perhaps forgot to remove their imbedded testing code?
Totally "not stuck" in space... right. Who wants to take the trip home in that death trap? Raise them hands!
If I was a journalist, I would ask the Boeing rep that "Can you assure us that the astronauts are coming home in the Starliner?"
My bet is that the thruster problem is related to the ancillary systems associated with the thruster monitoring/performance sensors and evaluation services.
My guess is not that Douglas/Boeing is probably more concerned with the loss of government contract and vehicle is more important. I wish good old Boeing was still in charge.
“Totally not stranded! We swear, trust us bro’s. We absolutely positively will let them use the thing as a lifeboat if they have no other options in the event of an emergency. We are confident in rolling the dice that they might have some chance of landing safely. Well okay a better chance than they would have riding the station down. We are now confident that the Starliner can stay up attached to the station absolutely indefinitely. We are collecting all sorts of data about how the Starliner behaves while parked in orbit for much longer than we planned. This is some really good stuff! What? Why didn’t we do this with Dragon? Next question! What do we plan to do about the crew? We’ve submitted a contract to SpaceX to send up a Cargo Dragon to deliver a change of clothes, clean underwear and their retirement paperwork to the Starliner crew.”
Don't coastal Asian people use fish aquaponics to fertilize and grow rice?
It's full of Arsenic and E.Coli, but yes.
@haroldhenderson2824
They are are still living. So, their bodies have developed natural antibodies against the E Coli and arsenic. Just my opinion.
At least the door's still on it! I think...isn't it?
Maybe all this testing should have been done before it was launched.
Duh!
They are not stranded, they are “orbitally challenged”… And kudos to Tilapia!! It’s a delicious fish but I guess I’ll stop eating them now 🤷♂️
Sounds like a real-world build-up to the movie Dune...
Funny!....kinda like the "unplanned disassembly" of Starship on it's 2nd flight!
Laughed a bit too much for that one
My chef friend told me they are a dirty bottom feeder fish and to never order them. Figures they will be on Mars.
One of the big problems with Aquaponics is it needs heat. Bacteria won't grow in anything less than 12 degrees. Not only that but Potatoes and tubers like carrots can't be grown in water or wet sand or gravel.
Politicians thrive with mushrooms!
Good thing they'll be grown where the people are.
They are starting off with species far too advanced to plant on Mars. The most basic life forms must start first. Like blue-green algae. If any water is found, spread it there by use of special entry vehicles. Maybe something that inflates during descent, bounces on the ground, and then bursts open after it settles. There are lichens and creatures in Antarctica that could be the next layer of life to be deposited. It will take a century of persistent work and maybe 10% will succeed but, a self-sustaining food chain has to be established. Just guessing at this point.
they cant be grown in raw, uncomposted human sh!t either
Those Martian fish are not gonna make nitrogen - likely will have to bring that along in sacks, also they only use male fish in those systems .. keeps the fighting down and prevents little fry getting though the filter and eating all the plants being fertilised by their poo for the people to eat so need to somehow replace the dead fish. transport fish 9 months thru space? Not likely and fish eggs will not remain viable more than a few days in storage.
Captain Wo Li Fuk will save them.
The report on aquaponics didn't mention how the perchlorate in the Martian regolith, which is at a level that is lethal to both humans and plants (and, I assume, fish), would be dealt with. To be fair, The Martian didn't deal with it either.
I've always wondered if the perchlorates could be used as a source of oxygen. If so, then you'd just have to worry about salty soil.
Hydroponics don't use soil. It's water and nutrients. Fish don't need soil, just water and food. As for regolith having perchlorate, there is a space suit or a sealed closed environment between them and the regolith. As for tracking or bringing regolith particles into the enclosed environment there are air locks with devices called vacuums to clean the suits.
What the heck is 'percblorate', and what is the solution?
I realize I could look it up but that would deprive all you smart people from pontificating about it here.
Because The Martian was a film - a non-science-based fantasy. It actually begins with such an extreme storm that the colonists have to abandon the planet - even though such a storm can't happen on Mars. (Winds can be very fast on Mars, but, with such low atmospheric pressure, they can never be strong.) Every 'expert' consulted for this film knew this, but still the film went ahead and used this assumption - because without it, there is no story. In other words, The Martian is fantasy based on un-scientific nonsense - not some sort of blue-print for future colinisation of Mars!
> building more LEO space stations
Bruh it's been 24 God damn years, if we haven't figured out _How To Space_ in that amount of time, we're not going to. In that same amount of time, Old NASA went from copies of Nazi rockets that could barely get off the ground without exploding to putting men on the Moon. More LEO stations is a money pit taking up funding that could be used for things that haven't been done yet, like a permanent Lunar presence, more space telescopes like Chandra that everyone is freaking out about getting defunded, or more interplanetary sample return probes.
3:07 imagine a pannel falls off during descent, that's something hard to recover from...
Are they trying to run out the 30 day used vehicle warranty!!!!!
Epcot has shown fish fertilizer for years
Glad to see it working out for mars
It isn't, and it won't be. Just techno-fantasy.
To bad Boeing didn’t solve all these problems before sending astronauts to the space station.
Growing plants in a FISH TANK doesn't need large amounts of water??? I think the fish may not agree- plus there is the whole temperature thing (Mars=COLD), and LIGHT- plants need bunches of that... this whole system would be an electricity HOG
So, that ship can attempt a return to earth but can't guarantee the thrusters to not shutdown during the reentry burn? That's like saying the plane will 100% not crash if it doesn't get airborne. Maybe NASA/Boeing should come clean and get a substitute ship up there to bring the crew home SAFELY and remotely return Stalledliner.
I hope a series of catastrophic failures doesn’t impact Stich’s bonus. 🤔
If it's Boeing you ain't going.
Living on Mars 🤢🤢🤮
So dumb 🤦♀️
We should learn to build & live in open space & not on another doomed rock 🤦♀️
This was a TEST flight, right? So they're testing, exactly what they're SUPPOED to do.
Sounds like a massive CYA exercise.
Is the Ocean some rubbish bin for the people? Everything falls in there....
Suni and Butch are tough, brave, and dedicated people. They deserve the best we can do in technology. I hope the Star liner can eventually measure up.
Up is hard. Down is easy. Odds are, even with the failure, they can still get starliner down. With crew. Probably even living crew. Probably.
The Aquaponics idea, using fish to produce nutrients for soil sounds like an amazing idea for substantially increasing food production on Earth. However, as I understand it, growing anything in Martian soil is problematic as that soil contains toxins poisonous to humans and those poisonous chemicals would be absorbed into the plants making the food inedible.... Any ideas on how the technology will deal with that?
It won't. It's all fantasy.
HYDROPONICS: Q1. What do the fish eat?
GROWING IN MATIAN SOIL
Q2. What about the toxic perchlorates?
Ans 1. Dead humans, when it all goes wrong !
Ans 2. See Ans 1.
@@pjeaton58 😂
Mr. Napping, imagine takng a flight to someplace. With a short "layover" part way there. And being stuck there for 2 weeks, a month, longer? You can't just grab a Soyuz, you aren't trained to fly one! Now imagine getting irradiated during your "extended layover". Astronauts signed on, knowing the risks. How about you?
Pretty interesting episode.
I wonder why there would be negative comments about Boeing? It’s not like they’ve been having any sort of trouble lately.
All the modules that make up the ISS are of different age. Why do they all suddenly wear out in 2030? Couldn’t the clapped out ones be replaced with new- and hopefully better- ones as needed, so that the best use is made of all resources in orbit?
Do the plants on Mars generate enough oxygen for the fish? Any left over for the humans? Or will it still be necessary to decompose the CO2 to get oxygen?
Well- deserved comments , they must get their act together and if's too painful maybe Nappi should go :(
Well it's a month later. They are still not stranded. They are not home. They are on the ISS. There is no plan to get them home. The Starliner is still not fit for purpose, but is still not space junk. They may, emphasis on may, be home in February on SpaceX. I am glad they are safe and someone competent might get them back safely. BUT DO NOT USE THE STARLINER - DON'T GO THE WAY OF THE SPACE SHUTTLE CREWS!
Sounds like a normal risk benefit evaluation. Additional tests vs. Crew.
Who’s the star of this show? Cause it’s not Osha or Mae. They are supporting characters of each other.
Wow 843 million for a modified Dragon capsule, what a deal! Currently it only costs 62-65 million to purchase a ride to leo on a Falcon 9… NASA should have waited a couple more years to determine a provider. Soon we are going to have a handful of companies that will be capable of doing this, and competition will continue to bring prices down.
What is the real problem with star(titanic)liner.? "boeing". What about the two guinea pigs stranded in the ESISS? (Extended Stay International Space Station? Saying their prayers Space X comes to their rescue I would venture to guess.
Warning ! Will Robinson, Warning !. Boeing manufactured that space ship 😂
So....NASA tested the the approach regime at their test facility BEFORE they launched........ didn't they ??????
The astronauts are not stranded in space... NASA says they " have plenty of Helium to breathe" . And, "All good here , it won't hit your House"....nasa quote.
Instead of spending millions to destroy ISS, couldn’t they put some ion engines on it, load it up with supplies for Mars exploration and send it to orbit Mars. Could come in handy for safe shelter if serious problems occur. Or the moon
In space no one can hear you whistleblow.
Needed a video from a trusted source to get upto speed and also enjoy😂, just read a few articles
SpaceX being contracted to deorbit the ISS is about the worst insult they could add to that injury. It almost feels like they where hired specifically because of all options they where the most distasteful option.
I think we should give NASAa break ,this is evidence they are concerned with safety, regardless of public pressure. I applaud them❤
Aquaponics is a mature and established technology, nothing new here. What is probably a more important question is what to do about the perchlorates in the regolith. While I do share your enthusiasm there is nothing new novel or groundbreaking here.
I'll be honest, fish was not the animal that came to mind when I was wondering what the first livestock we take to Mars would be.
Mark if you don't want people to deride your company wirk for a better one. It not successful! If it was they would not be up there still! Jettison the damn thing already.
Duh ... oxygen and food supplies for 7 is now shared with 9 people. Oh well Matt Damon "survived" 546 days on Mars 😂
Hey if Clinton can redefine the meaning of what ones mean my the word IS, NASA can define the meaning of the word STRANDED😂😂😂
"It's probably somewhere closer to the end of July." ... and here we are in early August. I sure hope that the astronauts have enough food & water.
8:44 mars, fish and water pipedreams . This is a idea that is never going to happen in the next 100 years. Next 100years we should be happy we do not destroy earth , better get a way of make earth habitable for future generations
I've been training for a tour on the ISS for years. With my vacuum cleaner.
Don't worry, Boeing is coming out with a new version that solves all the issues. It's called the Starliner Max...
Boeing crying "stop picking on me" is hilarious. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a damn duck.
3:09 “Nappi also wants y’all to stop being mean in the comments section” 😂
Permaculture is over 50 years old and a well understood system, nothing new other than the application to the Martian environment.
To INFINITY and BEYOND!!! 🚀👨🚀
Did anyone consider what they were going to feed the fish? I guess they're planning to import fish food from Earth.