George Washington's message to Native Americans was: All we want is land and peace; meaning, we're going to take your land, and we want you to be peaceable about it.
It always amazes me how many Christian keep droning about the Roman persecution. It was child's play compared to what they did to other religions or even to christian dissenters.
Yep! Josephus was very clear about how the Roman legionnaires treated Jews during the Jewish-Roman war that ended in the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple circa. 70 CE. They were crucifying up to 300 Jews every single day before the walls of the besieged city. They were endlessly cruel and inventive, making a spectacle so utterly horrifying each day because they hoped to convince the defenders it was easier just to give up. The historical record, based on unbiased sources instead of Christian mythology, says that the Romans treated the Jews far, far, worse than they ever treated the tiny little Christian cult in the first century. 🙄
I'm loving the sound effects. :-) I've read that "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" is telling Greeks that when they visit Rome, they should pray to the Roman gods and not the Greek gods.
The pervasiveness of Christianity in our culture is a sign of weakness and nothing else. We're scared of death, we're scared of being alone. It's all just a response to "Things are too scary they way they are."
'I watched with glee While your kings and queens Fought for ten decades For the gods they made.' (for the longest time I couldn't make out the 'ten decades' part)
I'm just now starting to realize some important distinctions in terminology that help me frame things: rulers build and maintain empires, leaders build and maintain societies. Part of the reason we're having so much trouble putting together a society is that too many people keep supporting and platforming rulers, when what we need is more leaders.
The blood shed in the defense and promotion of religion could fill an ocean. The Catholic Church even had the audacity to go after Cervantes for writing Don Quixote.
Yes Martin Luther wasn't a fan of Judaism also he seemed to be quite happy and agreed with the powers to be when they violently put down peasant rebellions in Germany.
The enlightenment was embraced by the Catholic Church by placing the major works on the Index of Prohibited Books. They stayed there until 1966 when the same Church found out that God was in favour of freedom of inquiry. This discovery had nothing to do with the fact that maintaining such an index had become a source of ridicule.
I still maintain that the Catholic church was more interested in temporal power than the spiritual wellbeing of their flock. This life is a vale of tears (know your place) you'll get your reward in the life hereafter in heaven. Last century a family friend told me why The Church was so against translation of the Bible in to the local language: when 90+% of the population are illiterate & certainly can't read Latin, then the priest can tell them any old nonsense is contained within the holy book.
"part two of this one part series'... Had to laugh. But keep up the good work. I've thought this my entire life for no real reason besides noticing the disconnect of what they constantly say, and what they actually do... They're completely blind to this hypocrisy of course...
Stuff Martin Luther said about reason: "Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God." "Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his reason." "Reason should be destroyed in all Christians." "Christ wants to slay reason and subdue the arrogance of the Jews." “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding. “
This type of thinking used by the christian faith, where the path is very narrow and allows no divergence, is now a feature in today's republican party in this country. This way of thinking allows them to fool themselves into believing they possess the one true path, and to leave that path or take another path gives them the divine right to address in well established ways. Be it threatening public officials with death or to storm our nation's Capitol. History gives us many examples to consider as you so well provided. By the way nice job of condensing that part, you could have spent hours on that portion alone.
Speaking of marytrs: a few years ago, I found out my 13th great grandfather was John Foxe, the author of The Acts and Monuments, aka Foxe’s Book of Martyrs. Sorry about that. 😢
@@misterdeity Ahah! part 6 of the one part series... Perhaps if we keep getting clues we may yet decipher this mysterious numbering system. Does it have something to do with the holy musketeers? One for trinity, and trinity for one?
@@misterdeity So, is part five of one, going to feature Christians crying about cancel culture, despite the bible providing some of the most extreme examples of it? Cancel culture only seems to be a problem with enlightenment values being involved.
Jesus: "Turn the other cheek, love those who hate you, resist no evil, don't sue others, forgive all who wrong you". Christians: "He doesn't really mean that!"
@@travissimpson7829 But even then, it's just silly to let others walk all over you. Good advice might sound more like, 'self defence is fine, but don't escalate a confrontation unnecessarily. Look for the peaceful option without being a willing victim.' But of course as the story goes, Jesus was the king of playing the victim card, and Christian love their persecution complex. It's all turn the other cheek and then 'now look what you made me let you do to me'.
@@skepticusmaximus184 yeah. I try not to be too hard on them since I was one. The childhood and cultural indoctrination is unreal. People are dumb animals and we are all largely a product of the culture we grew up in
Was it Chief George who said words to the effect: "When the white men came, we had the land and they had the Bibles. Now they have the land, and we have the Bibles" ?
In translating a song to Spanish, I would have gone with Stairway To Heaven too. In fact I DID! Hay una señora que está segura de que todo lo que brilla es oro. Y ella está comprando una escalera al cielo Cuando llega allí sabe si todas las tiendas están cerradas. Con una palabra ella puede conseguir lo que vino a buscar. Ooh, ooh, y ella está comprando una escalera al cielo Hay un letrero en la pared, pero ella quiere estar segura. Porque sabes que a veces las palabras tienen dos significados En un árbol junto al arroyo, hay un pájaro cantor que canta A veces todos nuestros pensamientos están equivocados. Ooh, me hace preguntarme Ooh, me hace preguntarme Hay una sensación que tengo cuando miro hacia Occidente Y mi espíritu llora por irse En mis pensamientos he visto anillos de humo a través de los árboles. Y las voces de aquellos que están mirando Ooh, me hace preguntarme Ooh, realmente me hace preguntarme Y se susurra que pronto si todos tomamos la melodía Entonces el flautista nos llevará a la razón. Y un nuevo día amanecerá para aquellos que resisten mucho Y los bosques resonarán con risas. Oh-oh-oh-oh-whoa Si hay mucho bullicio en tu seto, no te alarmes ahora Es sólo una limpieza de primavera para la reina de mayo. Sí, hay dos caminos por los que puedes ir, pero a la larga Todavía hay tiempo para cambiar el camino en el que estás Y me hace preguntarme Oh, espera Tu cabeza zumba y no funciona, en caso de que no lo sepas. El flautista te está llamando para que te unas a él. Querida señora, ¿puede oír soplar el viento? ¿Y lo sabías? ¿Tu escalera descansa sobre el susurro del viento? Y a medida que avanzamos por el camino Nuestras sombras son más altas que nuestra alma. Ahí camina una dama que todos conocemos ¿Quién brilla con luz blanca y quiere mostrar? Cómo todo todavía se convierte en oro Y si escuchas muy fuerte La melodía llegará a ti por fin Cuando todos son uno y uno es todo Ser una roca y no rodar. Y ella está comprando una escalera al cielo 
And she just got her credit report, and she gave up on the stairway and opted for a fiat 500!! At least it could get her to the farmers market and other places!😂
Thank you for this, Brian. Have you ever considered becoming a professor? College students need to hear about and understand how they have been indoctrinated by these polluted 'waters." You could incorporate elements of critical thinking skills, and even scientific literacy. Just a thought.
I taught computer graphics at UCLA extension for three years back in the early nineties. At the end of the third year, I was ready to harm myself and others. It's not for me. Not that I have credentials in anything anyway. I will say this for myself though. The administration begged me to stay and offered me a 35% pay raise because they said I was the highest rated (by the students) instructor they'd ever had. I made the class really fun, as you can imagine. It was part stand-up routine. But the jokes were appropriate to the material. LOL!
If everything that happened during the predominance of Christianity is _because_ of Christianity... that's a huge bag of shit with very few diamonds in it.
Kings and royalty also had a big hand in spreading Christianity. A lot of denominational deaths happened by a change of the throne when the king would proclaim the new national religion, the old holy men would sometimes be rounded up and executed, and the new holy men would start the loving righteous task of abducting the non-believers and trying them as heretics. By todays definition, Christianity would have been labeled a terrorist organization.
@@c.guydubois8270 Yes. I'm aware. It's a very old and over-used quote. It's also wrong, and excuses a lot of people's actions as being due to the power of the office they hold rather than them actually just being a kinda shitty person.
@@Zahaqiel I think it's both. It seems clear that some people wouldn't have even thought about being so shitty before they got power. And one can certainly find examples of people that were well-meaning before they got power, but then realized what they could do with it and became worse.
'the enlightenment was a byproduct of christianity'... from the same rich imagination that gave us 'slavery was more of a way to show your affection in biblical times'...
I'm enjoying the history lesson. Will there be a test? I have this recurring nightmare that I have a final test tomorrow, and I didn't read the book or go to any of the classes, and graduating depends on getting a good grade.
Yeah but...those clearly weren't True Christians™, so they don't count. True Christians™ were the ones arguing for people's rights, not the ones standing on the other side adamantly opposing them using the same exact holy texts as justification. duh
Ah, the no true Scottsman position. Those weren't true Christians. We have to accept that there are good people who are Christian. But nae as the author would have us think. Christians yes. Christianity, hell no. Flowers do grow on garbage heaps.
I don’t know, I am thinking about getting a mitre for going clubbing- the dancing kind, not the bloody baby seal kind- although, I would look good doing either.
I have been aware for many years That Eric Blair (Aka George Orwell) had a very poor opinion of Christianity. Barely willing to tolerate the C of E let alone Catholicism. It's pretty clear reading not only Animal Farm but also 1984 that his central critique was 'this is as bad as religion' or 'The inquisition rebranded'. So when you mentioned Augustine it was O'Brien (Played by Burton of course) who immediately came to mind.
I see how it works; wherever a Christian has been, all the good things there were because of Christianity, but nothing bad is because of Christianity. This is really no different than anything else coming out of the mouths of excusagists. “God is all good- so evil is all from the Devil, and the Devil was bad only because of free will.” “God is all good, so disease and disaster are an integral part of his plan, and all the bad things will be outweighed by the great stuff in the end.”
“Being Deity All of the credit and none of the blame, If something gets screwed up, no need to explain, I’d take the position, terms being the same. Applause for the cure of the halt and the lame, Devout resignation when prayers are in vain- All of the credit and none of the blame. Disaster survivors give praise to His name; Those grieving the dead swell the fulsome refrain. I’d take the position, terms being the same. Hurt makes humans better, pure souls are the aim. They don’t ask the purpose of animal pain- All of the credit and none of the blame. Rainbows and butterflies earn Him acclaim. There’s silence on roaches: the habit’s ingrained. I’d take the position, terms being the same. Liability zero. He can’t lose the game- Nothing to risk, adoration to gain. All of the credit and none of the blame- I’d take the position, terms being the same.” --Cowalker
I couldn’t agree more. Apologists have been taunting “atheist” Tom holland for years now and it’s freaking bs. I’m thinking he viewed his book as a pretty solid retirement funding stream.
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
There was a scholar named William Tyndale, a superior linguist; a hero unsung, who knew he risked more than a spell in a jail by translating the bible to popular tongue. Therefore he sailed to a safer position where he could produce his heretical tome. He printed and pressed and compiled his edition and basically gave a big "fuck you" to Rome. This new translation to everyday speech disempowered the Church and was totally banned, but no one could hamper this schismatic breach and the printers kept filling black-market demand! Sadly, brave Billy was crossed by a friend and confined to a prison for five hundred days. Then hauled out and strangled to death in the end to atone for his heterodoxical ways. Mine's a "religion is bunk" kind of bias but this rebel's courage should not be dismissed! And maybe I'm being profane or impious but... I like a story that ends with a twist! 😉
You are currently focusing on one of the most egregiously stupid claims ever made by a Christian apologist. It takes my breath away to think that anyone could make the claim that Christian ideology historically promoted liberal values and modern science. Great videos. Thank you.
@@misterdeity awwwe... thank you for the response though. I went through a divorce this year too, it is very rough, but if it needs to happen its ultimately good.
In The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity, the authors wrote that the ideas of the enlightenment were inspired by discussion with native Americans. So they were inspired by people who never heard of Christianity before
Thank you, Mr Diety for swimming in some truly dirty and disgusting waters for the benefit of the rest of us who can stay sparkling clean and dry clean while you enlighten us. Mike Rowe has got nothing on you. Very enjoyable vid and love the sarcasm about Voltaire.
I am surprised and disappointed at Tom Holland. He has written some very enjoyable books of history and historic fiction and now he comes out with this obvious nonsense. It would be great to see him apologise and admit that he didn't think things through but I don't see that as very likely. It makes me doubt the research of his previous work.
I don't know about his research or other books, but from what I saw watching endless interviews about THIS book (which I didn't read because I couldn't bring myself to give him a dime of my money), it's the conclusions he draws, ignoring so much of the truly awful history just Christianity can't hide. He tries though. I was a little disappointed with AC Greyling and their interview on Unbelievable.
@@misterdeity Yes, it's very sad. We see it all the time. Theists allow their religious beliefs to colour their thinking to the point where anything they know or learn, which goes against their faith, is ignored or twisted. I genuinely do not care what people believe but I abhor the way beliefs are misrepresented as facts.
Mr.Deity, Brian, loving these! Everytime I ponder your thinking, I'm amazed you don't look like the two aliens from a Startrek episode, 'The Cage'. They were so big brained their heads looked like butts. Sort of created a matrix idea, that stumped Kirk and them. Anyway, I just watched bertuzzi, (name) talking, excusegizing?on the problem of evil, by saying he didn't think animals really feel pain, as sometimes they almost look peaceful as a lion is tearing a leg off! It made me want to ask him if it hurts after I cut his arm off, if he's standing there staring at it? That happens. MORONS. So, we've decided, as you've eloquently shown here, religious evil causes evil! And they MUST excusiginate it. 👍💙💙💙🥰✌
I've been called a butthead on numerous occasions. But I don't think for that reason. Regarding the suffering of animals, I find that one of the MOST disgusting ideas floating around Christian apologetics these days. Pure evil!
@@misterdeity I do so adore you! And I knew a bit after I'd written that what you'd say! But, I'm a bit slow at times. Plus, you're probably too young to know that episode. 🥰😘✌
I don't disagree about the horrors committed in the name of god by the church, but I think there is some truth to the notion the Enlightenment can be at least be partially attributed to the effects of Christianity in that thinkers were trying to discover the mind of god. Judaism posits a pretty rational god. The church for its part wanted nothing to do with this new fangled way of thinking and just as today was trying hard to hang onto power at all cost.
I think Christianity gets credit for causing such a reaction and rejection of what it had been doing. It might take that kind of thing, for a really long time, to inspire people to embrace another way.
This is what I don't understand about these atheists giving Christianity glory it doesn't deserve. IT WASN'T CHRISTIANITY. It was people. Non of the teachings of Christianity back in the day of each of these great changes were that of the changes. Before many Christians adopted a scientific method mindset in looking for God, it wasn't part of the Christian teachings to use the scientific method at all. Before Christians considered the idea of giving rights to everyone, it wasn't a Christian teaching that everyone should be giving rights.
*You Gotta Have Faith ?* So all of the countless Gods & religions that humanity has believed in, was all _made up mythology,_ except for a tiny band of men on the fringe of the Roman empire ? (Jesus & disciples) *Faith In The Bible = **_Faith in the words & writings of men that "claim" to speak for God & Jesus_** .*
It's very important to have debates here. Tom Holland already had a debate with AC Grayling on this topic. Why not discuss things over with Tom ? For me this would be very interesting to watch. Imo, he's a very good historian, he has an excellent history podcast that is very popular, and his books are number one on Amazon in Ancient history. Western Christianity indeed did some horrible things, however they also did some good things as well, the catholics founded the first universities in Europe, or at least most of them right? I think the problem lies in the extremes, i.e. the christians never did anything wrong or christians never did anything right. Didn't the Christians fight for the abolition of slavery?
No. Tom Holland is not an historian. That is not his professional training. And in fact, I consulted a PhD in ancient history for this series. I’d advise you to pay particular attention to part six, see that PhD’s comment regarding Tom’s insights, and then look at the linked articles from that PhD - one in particular regarding these very claims of Tom’s. I watched hours and hours of interviews with Tom regarding this topic. He says so many stupid things, I simply can’t take him seriously as an historian. He should have debated a professional historian rather than a philosopher. As for slavery, I address this quite a bit in the additional videos in this series. Enjoy!!! Oh, and the Moors in Spain had universities first. And almost all of the “good stuff” in the Latin West begins after the reintroduction of classic Greek and Roman literature preserved and valued by the Muslims and the Greek Church in the East. Christianity shares virtually none of the values of the enlightenment. If it had, the world would be a much better place. Again, see the rest of the videos in this series.
@@misterdeity Thanks for your quick reply. I'll have a look. I'm at part 3 on your videos and I'll watch all of them. As for Tom Holland as a historian, historians can get it wrong. If he is wrong about this, I can't tell yet as I don't know anything about the enlightenment. I'm more interested in ancient history, and Tom writes extremely well about the Romans, and that's why his books sell really well. I've read 5 of his books, 3 books about Roman history, Dominion and In the shadow of the sword. I know he reached his conclusions after studying the ancient Romans, which actually is his field of expertise. I would really like to see a debate, hours long between Tom and a historian who does not share his views. In my opinion, Tom was better than Grayling in the debate. Tom has many many videos and interviews about his book Dominion, so he's open for a discussion, so why not try to arrange a debate or a conversation between your friend (the ancient historian) and Tom for the sake of people like me who are not experts on this ?
Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself and not to return evil for evil. The good Samaritan story, etc. Thanks for pointing out what happens when people do not actually follow the teachings of Christ. Conclusion would be that one should always follow the teachings of Christ and never deviate, or you get things like the inquisition and exploitation of vulnerable peoples.
While I generally agree with you - that the Jesus of the sermon on the mount is genuinely admirable, Jesus also said He was the only way to salvation, spoke of Hell, and honored the monstrous Tribal War god of Abraham. I think we’re better off when we follow the best thinking of all thinkers and cultures. And we do that by acknowledging that there is no one way or source of truth, remain open to truth and goodness wherever it comes from, and reject those advocating or tolerating violence in every form. Especially Beings who promise violence in a life hereafter.
@@misterdeity Yeah but you see Christ is true. All of Christ. Genesis 3 v15 "He will crush your head (Satan) and you will strike his heel (Christ going to the cross). Scripture says Christ came into the world to defeat the works of Satan. Several thousand years before the birth of Christ the plan was already laid out and set into motion.
@@bungalobill7941 >Yeah but you see Christ is true.< It's a claim to be proven yet. Quoting an old book doesn't cut it... >Several thousand years before the birth of Christ the plan was already laid out and set into motion.< Why it took that long? And why we still see evil around? Did Jesus' plan failed?
@@bungalobill7941 The better plan would have been to never create Satin in the first place - especially when God knew exactly what Satan would do. More importantly, God knew exactly what we'd all do, thus no need for this mess - this blip in our existence. Just create those of us who'd end up in heaven in heaven, and never create the rest. That's how a good God would do it.
@@tjblues01 Simple answer. Christ hasn't returned yet. No one knows the day or hour but what can be known is the criteria that must be met. What is it? Destruction of the second temple......70AD Jews dispersed into all the nations......Happened right after 70AD Israel becoming a nation again......1948 Gospel going out to all the nations.......Safe to say this has been completed in our lifetime. Now it is only for God to determine. What is left? The rise of the Antichrist, and there must be a third temple in Jerusalem, minus the outer court. Revelation 11 v2. Without the outer court the temple alone will not take up much land. There are already plans for a third temple.
Hi Mister Deity. Now, you know I love you, babe, but you really should consider leaving the Crusades off the list of “typical” expansion of Christianity. After hundreds of years of occasional attacks by expansionist Muslims around the periphery of Europe, Christian oriented Constantinople begged for military assistance from Rome to fight off yet another attempted conquest of its empire, which was collapsing from the Muslim onslaught. The Christians struggled for years before to coming to grips with the idea of fighting such protracted wars at all, resulting in doctrinal changes in their religion itself. There followed hundreds of more years of attacks and counter attacks, all of dubious utility and ethics, on all sides. Muslims captured Spain and Portugal, and arguably, nearly succeeded in their project of capturing much of the rest of Europe. It’s all very complicated, but this modern fairytale of solely blaming Europe is myopic and childishly naive, and rather incorrect, hence my suggestion that you leave the Crusades out of these discussions. Cheers. [ps Unfortunately, you might discover that the origins of the Inquisition are also mired in complexity, an impediment to the simple stories of religious shame and blame that are now so common. Modern minds seem compelled to make sloppy and cartoonish value judgments in these areas. Oh well…]
It's all very complicated and messy. The point is, none of it is enlightened or is any indication of some inchoate ethic or ideal which suggests the thinking of Hume, Rousseau, Voltaire, etc... lay dormant within Christianity for all those years. And you'll note that I didn't highlight the crusades at all. Although, from speaking with a friend who does history professionally (PhD), I know there's a lot of interest in revisionist nonsense as well these days - like people trying to say there was no Dark Age. But thanks for taking the time to comment.
Mut muslims also brought culture: art and maths. Plus they didn’t use to be intolerant of other beliefs. Most of that was sparked by the cruelty of the crusaders, who murdered entire towns in good old biblical fashion.
@@misterdeity Mr. D, look at you…. I’m temped to argue about the Christian milieu in which European enlightenment philosophers were so obviously steeped, but instead I’m going to drop that drivel, and send you my private jet so you can fly to my private island and have fun with some billionaires and heads-of-state… Oh wait… Sorry… I momentarily forgot… I don’t have a jet or an island or even friends. Let’s just call the whole thing off. Besides, billionaires and heads-of state aren’t exactly fun; just ask Jeff E. [But seriously, dude, let me join the cacophony of others in saying how much I have enjoyed your superb videos over the years. I shall raise a heavy tankard and slake my thirst in your honor this evening. And hearty good cheer to you, good sir.]
@@kellydalstok8900 Hi Kelly. You are obviously not familiar with the pre-Crusade murderous rampages of Islamic armies during their centuries of empire expansion. As for intolerance, why not learn some pre-Crusades Islamic history and culture before writing such inaccurate comments? [We might both benefit: you might learn something about your topic, and I might get some interesting and/or challenging responses, which might be stimulating. Cheers.]
The enlightenment comes from cristianity in the same way potatoes came about in The Martian: in spite, not because.
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And fed with similar fertilizer 😂
George Washington's message to Native Americans was: All we want is land and peace; meaning, we're going to take your land, and we want you to be peaceable about it.
I am, therefore I think.
Sorry, I put Descartes before the horse.
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It always amazes me how many Christian keep droning about the Roman persecution. It was child's play compared to what they did to other religions or even to christian dissenters.
Yep!
Josephus was very clear about how the Roman legionnaires treated Jews during the Jewish-Roman war that ended in the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple circa. 70 CE.
They were crucifying up to 300 Jews every single day before the walls of the besieged city. They were endlessly cruel and inventive, making a spectacle so utterly horrifying each day because they hoped to convince the defenders it was easier just to give up.
The historical record, based on unbiased sources instead of Christian mythology, says that the Romans treated the Jews far, far, worse than they ever treated the tiny little Christian cult in the first century. 🙄
I'm loving the sound effects. :-) I've read that "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" is telling Greeks that when they visit Rome, they should pray to the Roman gods and not the Greek gods.
The pervasiveness of Christianity in our culture is a sign of weakness and nothing else.
We're scared of death, we're scared of being alone.
It's all just a response to "Things are too scary they way they are."
'I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made.'
(for the longest time I couldn't make out the 'ten decades' part)
Please, introduce yourself.
@@InigoMontoya- 'I'm a man of wealth and taste.'
I'm just now starting to realize some important distinctions in terminology that help me frame things: rulers build and maintain empires, leaders build and maintain societies. Part of the reason we're having so much trouble putting together a society is that too many people keep supporting and platforming rulers, when what we need is more leaders.
Hail to MrDeity whose existence & work are visible & great ...
The blood shed in the defense and promotion of religion could fill an ocean. The Catholic Church even had the audacity to go after Cervantes for writing Don Quixote.
Yes Martin Luther wasn't a fan of Judaism also he seemed to be quite happy and agreed with the powers to be when they violently put down peasant rebellions in Germany.
Aint that just the love of Jesus?
Come on Brian, you know it's no fair remembering and knowing stuff!
The enlightenment was embraced by the Catholic Church by placing the major works on the Index of Prohibited Books. They stayed there until 1966 when the same Church found out that God was in favour of freedom of inquiry. This discovery had nothing to do with the fact that maintaining such an index had become a source of ridicule.
I still maintain that the Catholic church was more interested in temporal power than the spiritual wellbeing of their flock. This life is a vale of tears (know your place) you'll get your reward in the life hereafter in heaven.
Last century a family friend told me why The Church was so against translation of the Bible in to the local language: when 90+% of the population are illiterate & certainly can't read Latin, then the priest can tell them any old nonsense is contained within the holy book.
Thanks Brian to keep the enlightenment alive, strong and fun to watch.🤟
More to come!
So glad you are addressing this BS
"part two of this one part series'... Had to laugh.
But keep up the good work. I've thought this my entire life for no real reason besides noticing the disconnect of what they constantly say, and what they actually do... They're completely blind to this hypocrisy of course...
Stuff Martin Luther said about reason:
"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God."
"Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his reason."
"Reason should be destroyed in all Christians."
"Christ wants to slay reason and subdue the arrogance of the Jews."
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding. “
This is brilliant! You covered some really important topics, and managed to make it funny.
That’s the goal. Thanks so much!!!
Can't wait for part 6!
You’re only weeks away! But the in between stuff will be good too.
over time, science CONVERGES on answers; religion DIVERGES.
That is such a great line!!! Stealing it!!!
Excellent line and s true. Will be quoting you.
*Neil Degrass Tyson
yay! have it!!@@misterdeity
i've heard others, too. i mean, it's so obvious....@@adamtokay
Thank you a lot for revealing the truth.
This type of thinking used by the christian faith, where the path is very narrow and allows no divergence, is now a feature in today's republican party in this country. This way of thinking allows them to fool themselves into believing they possess the one true path, and to leave that path or take another path gives them the divine right to address in well established ways. Be it threatening public officials with death or to storm our nation's Capitol. History gives us many examples to consider as you so well provided. By the way nice job of condensing that part, you could have spent hours on that portion alone.
Stairway to Heaven... or Highway to Hell.(popular funeral song, actually)
Though I'd go with Enter Sandman.
Bloody brilliant. That's what this is.
😂 Tom hates being called Spider-Man 🕷️
@~5min: It's definitely a stairway. I, however, am on the higway headed in the other direction. My friends are gonna be there too, you see.
Mine too. It's gonna be so much fun!
Speaking of marytrs: a few years ago, I found out my 13th great grandfather was John Foxe, the author of The Acts and Monuments, aka Foxe’s Book of Martyrs.
Sorry about that. 😢
I'm all for Christianity becoming more enlightened.
It might even get enlightened out of existence.
Shhhh!!! Your stealing my thunder from the part six.
@@misterdeity Ahah! part 6 of the one part series...
Perhaps if we keep getting clues we may yet decipher this mysterious numbering system.
Does it have something to do with the holy musketeers? One for trinity, and trinity for one?
@@stevewebber707 That’s it! Yeah…
@@misterdeity So, is part five of one, going to feature Christians crying about cancel culture, despite the bible providing some of the most extreme examples of it? Cancel culture only seems to be a problem with enlightenment values being involved.
Jesus: "Turn the other cheek, love those who hate you, resist no evil, don't sue others, forgive all who wrong you".
Christians: "He doesn't really mean that!"
Some Christians do take that advice. Definitely not most though
@@travissimpson7829 But even then, it's just silly to let others walk all over you. Good advice might sound more like, 'self defence is fine, but don't escalate a confrontation unnecessarily. Look for the peaceful option without being a willing victim.'
But of course as the story goes, Jesus was the king of playing the victim card, and Christian love their persecution complex. It's all turn the other cheek and then 'now look what you made me let you do to me'.
@@skepticusmaximus184 yeah. I try not to be too hard on them since I was one. The childhood and cultural indoctrination is unreal. People are dumb animals and we are all largely a product of the culture we grew up in
@@travissimpson7829 Oh yeah! People!!? They're some of the dumbest animals there are. 😝
Was it Chief George who said words to the effect: "When the white men came, we had the land and they had the Bibles. Now they have the land, and we have the Bibles" ?
Bri Bri, this is some of your best work! thanks...
In translating a song to Spanish, I would have gone with Stairway To Heaven too. In fact I DID!
Hay una señora que está segura de que todo lo que brilla es oro. Y ella está comprando una escalera al cielo Cuando llega allí sabe si todas las tiendas están cerradas. Con una palabra ella puede conseguir lo que vino a buscar. Ooh, ooh, y ella está comprando una escalera al cielo Hay un letrero en la pared, pero ella quiere estar segura. Porque sabes que a veces las palabras tienen dos significados En un árbol junto al arroyo, hay un pájaro cantor que canta A veces todos nuestros pensamientos están equivocados. Ooh, me hace preguntarme Ooh, me hace preguntarme Hay una sensación que tengo cuando miro hacia Occidente Y mi espíritu llora por irse En mis pensamientos he visto anillos de humo a través de los árboles. Y las voces de aquellos que están mirando Ooh, me hace preguntarme Ooh, realmente me hace preguntarme Y se susurra que pronto si todos tomamos la melodía Entonces el flautista nos llevará a la razón. Y un nuevo día amanecerá para aquellos que resisten mucho Y los bosques resonarán con risas. Oh-oh-oh-oh-whoa Si hay mucho bullicio en tu seto, no te alarmes ahora Es sólo una limpieza de primavera para la reina de mayo. Sí, hay dos caminos por los que puedes ir, pero a la larga Todavía hay tiempo para cambiar el camino en el que estás Y me hace preguntarme Oh, espera Tu cabeza zumba y no funciona, en caso de que no lo sepas. El flautista te está llamando para que te unas a él. Querida señora, ¿puede oír soplar el viento? ¿Y lo sabías? ¿Tu escalera descansa sobre el susurro del viento? Y a medida que avanzamos por el camino Nuestras sombras son más altas que nuestra alma. Ahí camina una dama que todos conocemos ¿Quién brilla con luz blanca y quiere mostrar? Cómo todo todavía se convierte en oro Y si escuchas muy fuerte La melodía llegará a ti por fin Cuando todos son uno y uno es todo Ser una roca y no rodar. Y ella está comprando una escalera al cielo

And she just got her credit report, and she gave up on the stairway and opted for a fiat 500!! At least it could get her to the farmers market and other places!😂
Now if only I could speak Spanish.
So much information. I saved this and will use lots of this in my debates.
Thank you for this, Brian. Have you ever considered becoming a professor? College students need to hear about and understand how they have been indoctrinated by these polluted 'waters." You could incorporate elements of critical thinking skills, and even scientific literacy. Just a thought.
I taught computer graphics at UCLA extension for three years back in the early nineties. At the end of the third year, I was ready to harm myself and others. It's not for me. Not that I have credentials in anything anyway. I will say this for myself though. The administration begged me to stay and offered me a 35% pay raise because they said I was the highest rated (by the students) instructor they'd ever had. I made the class really fun, as you can imagine. It was part stand-up routine. But the jokes were appropriate to the material. LOL!
Thanks!
Thanks so much, Billy! I'm giving you multiple opportunities to make a first impression.
This series is killer. Thanks Bri Bri..
But in a nice, enlightened way, right?
@@misterdeity but of course!
As great as your work always is Brian, this is one of the best. THANK YOU.
Thank you 🙏 Mr. Deity! You are a force for good in reality, crushing beliefs of the unreal! 👏
If everything that happened during the predominance of Christianity is _because_ of Christianity... that's a huge bag of shit with very few diamonds in it.
I appreciate your time and effort…thank you‼️
Kings and royalty also had a big hand in spreading Christianity. A lot of denominational deaths happened by a change of the throne when the king would proclaim the new national religion, the old holy men would sometimes be rounded up and executed, and the new holy men would start the loving righteous task of abducting the non-believers and trying them as heretics.
By todays definition, Christianity would have been labeled a terrorist organization.
I’m really enjoying this series! Can’t wait to see the rest.
Stay tubed!
thanks, this is enlightening.
Gotta disagree with you on one thing:
Power doesn't corrupt. It magnifies. It gives what was already there more opportunities to take bigger swings.
He was quoting an English lord..
"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"
@@c.guydubois8270 Yes. I'm aware. It's a very old and over-used quote. It's also wrong, and excuses a lot of people's actions as being due to the power of the office they hold rather than them actually just being a kinda shitty person.
Yup
@@ZahaqielYou don't think power is an incredibly corruptive influence? Wealth too?
@@Zahaqiel I think it's both. It seems clear that some people wouldn't have even thought about being so shitty before they got power. And one can certainly find examples of people that were well-meaning before they got power, but then realized what they could do with it and became worse.
'the enlightenment was a byproduct of christianity'... from the same rich imagination that gave us 'slavery was more of a way to show your affection in biblical times'...
yes! the enlightenment was a byproduct of xtianity in the same way that abolition/emancipation was a byproduct of slavery.
I'm enjoying the history lesson. Will there be a test? I have this recurring nightmare that I have a final test tomorrow, and I didn't read the book or go to any of the classes, and graduating depends on getting a good grade.
I just gave you an A. Sleep well!!!
(I actually am qualified)
Sounds like you're going to a Catholic school.
@@littlebitofhope1489 LOL!!!
Wow, Brian. One of your best for sure.
Happy New Year.
Happy New Year!
Yeah but...those clearly weren't True Christians™, so they don't count. True Christians™ were the ones arguing for people's rights, not the ones standing on the other side adamantly opposing them using the same exact holy texts as justification. duh
The true Christians were Voltaire, Hume, Montesquiou, Rousseau, Locke, Diderot, et al…
Ah, the no true Scottsman position. Those weren't true Christians.
We have to accept that there are good people who are Christian. But nae as the author would have us think. Christians yes. Christianity, hell no. Flowers do grow on garbage heaps.
The trademark makes all the difference!!!🤪
Thankfully, none of their hat styles caught on.
I don’t know, I am thinking about getting a mitre for going clubbing- the dancing kind, not the bloody baby seal kind- although, I would look good doing either.
@@InigoMontoya-Mitres are smokin' hot.
I have been aware for many years That Eric Blair (Aka George Orwell) had a very poor opinion of Christianity. Barely willing to tolerate the C of E let alone Catholicism.
It's pretty clear reading not only Animal Farm but also 1984 that his central critique was 'this is as bad as religion' or 'The inquisition rebranded'.
So when you mentioned Augustine it was O'Brien (Played by Burton of course) who immediately came to mind.
Charleston Heston old crusty racist looks like Clint Eastwood is traveling down the same path.
That's the guy who yelled at an empty chair, right?
@@robertmiller9735 yep
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!
I see how it works; wherever a Christian has been, all the good things there were because of Christianity, but nothing bad is because of Christianity. This is really no different than anything else coming out of the mouths of excusagists. “God is all good- so evil is all from the Devil, and the Devil was bad only because of free will.” “God is all good, so disease and disaster are an integral part of his plan, and all the bad things will be outweighed by the great stuff in the end.”
“Being Deity
All of the credit and none of the blame,
If something gets screwed up, no need to explain,
I’d take the position, terms being the same.
Applause for the cure of the halt and the lame,
Devout resignation when prayers are in vain-
All of the credit and none of the blame.
Disaster survivors give praise to His name;
Those grieving the dead swell the fulsome refrain.
I’d take the position, terms being the same.
Hurt makes humans better, pure souls are the aim.
They don’t ask the purpose of animal pain-
All of the credit and none of the blame.
Rainbows and butterflies earn Him acclaim.
There’s silence on roaches: the habit’s ingrained.
I’d take the position, terms being the same.
Liability zero. He can’t lose the game-
Nothing to risk, adoration to gain.
All of the credit and none of the blame-
I’d take the position, terms being the same.”
--Cowalker
I couldn’t agree more. Apologists have been taunting “atheist” Tom holland for years now and it’s freaking bs. I’m thinking he viewed his book as a pretty solid retirement funding stream.
If Christianity were responsible for the Enlightenment then the scientific method would be based on weighing ducks and tying coconuts to doves.
You mean swallows... to determine how much a laden swallow could carry. Also that we now know the world to be banana shaped.
And sheep’s bladders would be used to prevent earthquakes.
Well, they could grip it by the husk.
@@robertmiller9735 It's not a question of where he grips it, mate...
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
There was a scholar named William Tyndale, a superior linguist; a hero unsung, who
knew he risked more than a spell in a jail by translating the bible to popular tongue.
Therefore he sailed to a safer position where he could produce his heretical tome. He
printed and pressed and compiled his edition and basically gave a big "fuck you" to Rome.
This new translation to everyday speech disempowered the Church and was totally banned, but
no one could hamper this schismatic breach and the printers kept filling black-market demand!
Sadly, brave Billy was crossed by a friend and confined to a prison for five hundred days. Then
hauled out and strangled to death in the end to atone for his heterodoxical ways.
Mine's a "religion is bunk" kind of bias but this rebel's courage should not be dismissed! And
maybe I'm being profane or impious but...
I like a story that ends with a twist! 😉
I think I briefly mention him in the episode. No? But thanks for added all that info! If I'd gone into detail, this series would be five hours long.
4:02 No…someone said Jesus said.
“Don’t quote me, boy I ain’t said shit”.
I'm surprised you didn't mention that genuine christian philosopher Marquise de Sade.
I mention him in Mr. Deity and the Consent.
Chris-chan-ity sounds like a scary religion indeed
You are currently focusing on one of the most egregiously stupid claims ever made by a Christian apologist. It takes my breath away to think that anyone could make the claim that Christian ideology historically promoted liberal values and modern science. Great videos. Thank you.
2:17 onward Christian soldier 🙄
Waiting...
Speaking of bringing people to their senses, didn't Augustine also write about the "lust of the eyes"? Oh well . . . back to the dungeon . . .
Thanks. Sarcasm! I like it, & I like it a lot. tavi.
Any chance of Words ever coming back? Ive watched and showed people all seven episodes so many times! Its so good!😊
Unfortunately no. We're spread out all over the country now. And Amy and I are no longer together.
@@misterdeity awwwe... thank you for the response though. I went through a divorce this year too, it is very rough, but if it needs to happen its ultimately good.
This Chris Jannity guy is EVERYWHERE!
And that Je, well he is sus.
I misspoke through this whole series. I meant to say, "Chris Jansing." She's an anchor on MSNBC. D'oh!!!
@@misterdeity and she also died in the cross for our sins!
E pur si muove.
6:49 It sounds like Enlightened BDSM
Didn't Saint Augustine once have a job retrieving lobsters from Jayne Mansfield's bum?
That's so randomly funny!!!
@@misterdeity I suspect that a lot of viewers don't have the required knowledge of British comedy to understand 😉😆
Christian values is an oxymoron of the highest degree.
They have values. They’re just awful.
@@misterdeity Don't forget, they do come off as Oxes and morons when trying to defend their beliefs! Just sayin'!!😆😜
In The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity, the authors wrote that the ideas of the enlightenment were inspired by discussion with native Americans. So they were inspired by people who never heard of Christianity before
That book is equally absurd, the enlightenment was a consequence of rediscovery of the classical world and the development of science
Contrast the Doctrine of Discovery with the Laws of Odin.Yep, the freaking Vikings were more tolerant and humane.
And that's not true either.
@@TheHandofJove D of E makes a very strong case with direct quotations from the French authors. So far, you've only made assertions.
@CelestialVenerableValinor Take a look at the texts.
What's the Joe Schmid portrait doing in this video?
Ha! Joe Schmid is the child of Tom Holland and Paul Dano.
Who is this Chris Channity bloke anyway ???
It's a woman. She's an anchor on MSNBC, but I keep mispronouncing her name. It's Christ Jansing. Awful human being. 😉
Where would Christianity be without hegemony?
LOL!!!
Thank you, Mr Diety for swimming in some truly dirty and disgusting waters for the benefit of the rest of us who can stay sparkling clean and dry clean while you enlighten us. Mike Rowe has got nothing on you. Very enjoyable vid and love the sarcasm about Voltaire.
LOL!!!
🖖🏾
I am surprised and disappointed at Tom Holland. He has written some very enjoyable books of history and historic fiction and now he comes out with this obvious nonsense. It would be great to see him apologise and admit that he didn't think things through but I don't see that as very likely. It makes me doubt the research of his previous work.
I don't know about his research or other books, but from what I saw watching endless interviews about THIS book (which I didn't read because I couldn't bring myself to give him a dime of my money), it's the conclusions he draws, ignoring so much of the truly awful history just Christianity can't hide. He tries though. I was a little disappointed with AC Greyling and their interview on Unbelievable.
@@misterdeity Yes, it's very sad. We see it all the time. Theists allow their religious beliefs to colour their thinking to the point where anything they know or learn, which goes against their faith, is ignored or twisted.
I genuinely do not care what people believe but I abhor the way beliefs are misrepresented as facts.
@@misterdeity Hope there doesn't come a day when you disappoint. 💖
Mr.Deity, Brian, loving these! Everytime I ponder your thinking, I'm amazed you don't look like the two aliens from a Startrek episode, 'The Cage'. They were so big brained their heads looked like butts. Sort of created a matrix idea, that stumped Kirk and them. Anyway, I just watched bertuzzi, (name) talking, excusegizing?on the problem of evil, by saying he didn't think animals really feel pain, as sometimes they almost look peaceful as a lion is tearing a leg off! It made me want to ask him if it hurts after I cut his arm off, if he's standing there staring at it? That happens. MORONS. So, we've decided, as you've eloquently shown here, religious evil causes evil! And they MUST excusiginate it. 👍💙💙💙🥰✌
I've been called a butthead on numerous occasions. But I don't think for that reason. Regarding the suffering of animals, I find that one of the MOST disgusting ideas floating around Christian apologetics these days. Pure evil!
@@misterdeity I do so adore you! And I knew a bit after I'd written that what you'd say! But, I'm a bit slow at times. Plus, you're probably too young to know that episode. 🥰😘✌
@@laurajarrell6187Sadly, I’m not too young at all.
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!
A lot of this rhetoric about Christianity comes from the reconquista. So we should expect it.
I don't disagree about the horrors committed in the name of god by the church, but I think there is some truth to the notion the Enlightenment can be at least be partially attributed to the effects of Christianity in that thinkers were trying to discover the mind of god. Judaism posits a pretty rational god. The church for its part wanted nothing to do with this new fangled way of thinking and just as today was trying hard to hang onto power at all cost.
I think Christianity gets credit for causing such a reaction and rejection of what it had been doing. It might take that kind of thing, for a really long time, to inspire people to embrace another way.
In part pickle of this banana giraffe comment, I'll be really dust flappering my gohwhonas.
Talk about taking it to the next level! That was so awesome! Thank you so much for the laugh.
@@misterdeity 😊
This is what I don't understand about these atheists giving Christianity glory it doesn't deserve. IT WASN'T CHRISTIANITY. It was people. Non of the teachings of Christianity back in the day of each of these great changes were that of the changes. Before many Christians adopted a scientific method mindset in looking for God, it wasn't part of the Christian teachings to use the scientific method at all. Before Christians considered the idea of giving rights to everyone, it wasn't a Christian teaching that everyone should be giving rights.
*You Gotta Have Faith ?*
So all of the countless Gods & religions that humanity has believed in, was all _made up mythology,_
except for a tiny band of men on the fringe of the Roman empire ? (Jesus & disciples)
*Faith In The Bible = **_Faith in the words & writings of men that "claim" to speak for God & Jesus_** .*
It's very important to have debates here. Tom Holland already had a debate with AC Grayling on this topic. Why not discuss things over with Tom ? For me this would be very interesting to watch. Imo, he's a very good historian, he has an excellent history podcast that is very popular, and his books are number one on Amazon in Ancient history. Western Christianity indeed did some horrible things, however they also did some good things as well, the catholics founded the first universities in Europe, or at least most of them right? I think the problem lies in the extremes, i.e. the christians never did anything wrong or christians never did anything right. Didn't the Christians fight for the abolition of slavery?
No. Tom Holland is not an historian. That is not his professional training. And in fact, I consulted a PhD in ancient history for this series. I’d advise you to pay particular attention to part six, see that PhD’s comment regarding Tom’s insights, and then look at the linked articles from that PhD - one in particular regarding these very claims of Tom’s. I watched hours and hours of interviews with Tom regarding this topic. He says so many stupid things, I simply can’t take him seriously as an historian. He should have debated a professional historian rather than a philosopher. As for slavery, I address this quite a bit in the additional videos in this series. Enjoy!!! Oh, and the Moors in Spain had universities first. And almost all of the “good stuff” in the Latin West begins after the reintroduction of classic Greek and Roman literature preserved and valued by the Muslims and the Greek Church in the East. Christianity shares virtually none of the values of the enlightenment. If it had, the world would be a much better place. Again, see the rest of the videos in this series.
@@misterdeity Thanks for your quick reply. I'll have a look. I'm at part 3 on your videos and I'll watch all of them. As for Tom Holland as a historian, historians can get it wrong. If he is wrong about this, I can't tell yet as I don't know anything about the enlightenment. I'm more interested in ancient history, and Tom writes extremely well about the Romans, and that's why his books sell really well. I've read 5 of his books, 3 books about Roman history, Dominion and In the shadow of the sword. I know he reached his conclusions after studying the ancient Romans, which actually is his field of expertise. I would really like to see a debate, hours long between Tom and a historian who does not share his views. In my opinion, Tom was better than Grayling in the debate. Tom has many many videos and interviews about his book Dominion, so he's open for a discussion, so why not try to arrange a debate or a conversation between your friend (the ancient historian) and Tom for the sake of people like me who are not experts on this ?
@@IonutPaun-lp2zq There's no point in debating Tom Holland, he's ignorant at best, disingenuous at worst.
@@IonutPaun-lp2zq Fairly sure tom holland studied English
Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself and not to return evil for evil. The good Samaritan story, etc. Thanks for pointing out what happens when people do not actually follow the teachings of Christ. Conclusion would be that one should always follow the teachings of Christ and never deviate, or you get things like the inquisition and exploitation of vulnerable peoples.
While I generally agree with you - that the Jesus of the sermon on the mount is genuinely admirable, Jesus also said He was the only way to salvation, spoke of Hell, and honored the monstrous Tribal War god of Abraham. I think we’re better off when we follow the best thinking of all thinkers and cultures. And we do that by acknowledging that there is no one way or source of truth, remain open to truth and goodness wherever it comes from, and reject those advocating or tolerating violence in every form. Especially Beings who promise violence in a life hereafter.
@@misterdeity Yeah but you see Christ is true. All of Christ. Genesis 3 v15 "He will crush your head (Satan) and you will strike his heel (Christ going to the cross). Scripture says Christ came into the world to defeat the works of Satan.
Several thousand years before the birth of Christ the plan was already laid out and set into motion.
@@bungalobill7941 >Yeah but you see Christ is true.<
It's a claim to be proven yet. Quoting an old book doesn't cut it...
>Several thousand years before the birth of Christ the plan was already laid out and set into motion.<
Why it took that long? And why we still see evil around? Did Jesus' plan failed?
@@bungalobill7941 The better plan would have been to never create Satin in the first place - especially when God knew exactly what Satan would do. More importantly, God knew exactly what we'd all do, thus no need for this mess - this blip in our existence. Just create those of us who'd end up in heaven in heaven, and never create the rest. That's how a good God would do it.
@@tjblues01 Simple answer. Christ hasn't returned yet.
No one knows the day or hour but what can be known is the criteria that must be met.
What is it?
Destruction of the second temple......70AD
Jews dispersed into all the nations......Happened right after 70AD
Israel becoming a nation again......1948
Gospel going out to all the nations.......Safe to say this has been completed in our lifetime. Now it is only for God to determine.
What is left?
The rise of the Antichrist, and there must be a third temple in Jerusalem, minus the outer court. Revelation 11 v2. Without the outer court the temple alone will not take up much land.
There are already plans for a third temple.
Islam AM I A JOKE TO YOU!
It's another Abrahamic religion, what do you expect?
Hi Mister Deity. Now, you know I love you, babe, but you really should consider leaving the Crusades off the list of “typical” expansion of Christianity. After hundreds of years of occasional attacks by expansionist Muslims around the periphery of Europe, Christian oriented Constantinople begged for military assistance from Rome to fight off yet another attempted conquest of its empire, which was collapsing from the Muslim onslaught. The Christians struggled for years before to coming to grips with the idea of fighting such protracted wars at all, resulting in doctrinal changes in their religion itself. There followed hundreds of more years of attacks and counter attacks, all of dubious utility and ethics, on all sides. Muslims captured Spain and Portugal, and arguably, nearly succeeded in their project of capturing much of the rest of Europe. It’s all very complicated, but this modern fairytale of solely blaming Europe is myopic and childishly naive, and rather incorrect, hence my suggestion that you leave the Crusades out of these discussions. Cheers. [ps Unfortunately, you might discover that the origins of the Inquisition are also mired in complexity, an impediment to the simple stories of religious shame and blame that are now so common. Modern minds seem compelled to make sloppy and cartoonish value judgments in these areas. Oh well…]
It's all very complicated and messy. The point is, none of it is enlightened or is any indication of some inchoate ethic or ideal which suggests the thinking of Hume, Rousseau, Voltaire, etc... lay dormant within Christianity for all those years. And you'll note that I didn't highlight the crusades at all. Although, from speaking with a friend who does history professionally (PhD), I know there's a lot of interest in revisionist nonsense as well these days - like people trying to say there was no Dark Age. But thanks for taking the time to comment.
Mut muslims also brought culture: art and maths. Plus they didn’t use to be intolerant of other beliefs. Most of that was sparked by the cruelty of the crusaders, who murdered entire towns in good old biblical fashion.
@@misterdeity Mr. D, look at you…. I’m temped to argue about the Christian milieu in which European enlightenment philosophers were so obviously steeped, but instead I’m going to drop that drivel, and send you my private jet so you can fly to my private island and have fun with some billionaires and heads-of-state… Oh wait… Sorry… I momentarily forgot… I don’t have a jet or an island or even friends. Let’s just call the whole thing off. Besides, billionaires and heads-of state aren’t exactly fun; just ask Jeff E.
[But seriously, dude, let me join the cacophony of others in saying how much I have enjoyed your superb videos over the years. I shall raise a heavy tankard and slake my thirst in your honor this evening. And hearty good cheer to you, good sir.]
@@kellydalstok8900 Hi Kelly. You are obviously not familiar with the pre-Crusade murderous rampages of Islamic armies during their centuries of empire expansion. As for intolerance, why not learn some pre-Crusades Islamic history and culture before writing such inaccurate comments? [We might both benefit: you might learn something about your topic, and I might get some interesting and/or challenging responses, which might be stimulating. Cheers.]
DUH NUN! lol Good video.
Thanks!
Thank YOU! Much appreciated. ❤
Thanks!
Thanks so much! Blessings are headed your way!
Thanks!
Thanks, Bananaslug! I'm sending you a lifetime of indulgences. Sin away!