ELAC’s thoroughly audacious Andrew Jones on the art of speaker design
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Today’s Andrew Jones interview is the first in a three part series.
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Could listen to this man for hours. Great video as usual.
Brilliant. The "weekend interview series" is already classic. This one in particular is shaping up to be the most accessible exposition of the mind of Andrew Jones I am personally aware of. Good work Steve.
Dave King thanks Dave!
It’s always nice to hear the passion when an artist talks about his craft!
Awesome Steve he certainly is a great guy who often has these chats. its a great insight for us the consumers.
Wonderful Steve ! I've spent a lot of time delving into speaker design during a period recovering from surgery when I couldn't do much else but surf the Internet. Having an engineering background , I've nearly always built my own speakers to established designs. I know the process to develop a good speaker is immensely complex and expensive. I'm really looking forward to the next parts !
You’re spoiling us, Steve! Nelson and now Andrew?!
No need to apologize one bit about your mic either. It’s the content that counts, because that was an especially great interview.
Thanks so much, Steve.
I was just typing out Laurence Dickie (Vivid Audio/B&W) when Andrew brought him up in this video( i've mentioned him before in a previous Audiophilliac post ) .Both talented and nice guys.
Great content.
Couple of random observations:
1. Steve, you make me feel great about my clutter. ;)
2. Love the clock in the mirror.
Brilliant, this is already a classic. Especially the way Andrew describe the AES society back in UK. You don’t get further by excessively hiding your work from others, you advance by working together with your competitors as good friends... but there will be some trade secrets of course ... collective learning makes us collectively much stronger :-)
Even more Andrew, you seem to be a really likeable guy :-)
I have met him and he is a great guy with a wonderful sense of humor!
Listening his chatting and stories is so relaxing and fun. A wonderful guy
This guy has loads of knowledge, so awesome to hear him talk..
Andrew making a joke:
If America start using SI units instead of pounds overnight. Then we will be a MASSconfussion.. haha
Completely unnoticed by Steve. ;)
Engineers are naturally inquisitive and inclined to share knowledge, because solving problem, no matter whose, is what drives good engineers.
I've just 'downgraded' (floorstansing to bookshelf), due to recently moving into a smaller home. I have bought the Arv Navis last week. Waiting on delivery, so don't have any thoughts yet.
Great to hear from Andrew... Interesting stuff!!!
very interesting, the design-process is much more complicated than many think. Explaines as well, why speakers sound so different.
Being English I am probably biased, but could Andrew Jones be any more down to earth?
It was good to hear KEF, Quad, and Celestion mentioned.
I have fond memories of the SL600 speakers.
No.
Celestion has the financial benefit of making speakers for guitar amps.
Understatement is a British art form.
Humility is refreshing. Andrew gives due credit to his team and former employees.
A man's work should speak for itself ;-)
Awesome interview with an amazing speaker designer.
What a great interview. Thank you.
I can listen to Steve for hours my self! It's so rare to meet an ex audiophile that came to the same conclusion I did! Steve reviewed recently the same relatively inexpensive but great sounding gear that I now own, upgraded Klipsch Hereseys , Crown and Riesong,Yaqim tube amps from China(just replace the tubes with good nos tubes and you've got something!)
What a charming guy, always enjoy listening to him and you as well.
He seems like a great guy. I bought the Elac Debut 6.2s after reading about them from the Audiophiliac. I couldn't be happier (maybe I could but it would cost me dearly to be happier).
Most of the speakers in my house are Andrew Jones designs from one or another company. My "Computer Speakers" that I listened to this interview on are a pair of Pioneer towers he designed. Love this sort of content Steve.
I would be interested in what Andrew Jones, and his colleagues, think about Alex and his room full of compression, Alex's zeal for compression, Alex's obsession with compression.
Engineers compress, and compress more because their clients ask them to.
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Perhaps some of those clients watch your channel. It would be beneficial to have influential people (yourself, Andrew Jones, etc) also speak about the topic.
Even given the reason you mention, above...
that should not negate folks like Andrew Jones from speaking about the issue.
It seems like we hear only one side of the issue, that ever gets voiced in videos. I speak out (with the keyboard). But only a fraction of your 60K subscribers are reading my comments -- and I have little to no clout with them. We need the makers and movers in the audio industry to be heard, in videos, just as Alex was heard.
Compression will never go away, and could get worse, if top names do not speak up. If even a handful of artists listen, it is a step in the right direction. I see no downside to hearing both sides. It is the American way!
By the way, where can I get my hands on a new Stereophile T-shirt?
I used to get one with each subscription. But that was a long time ago.
Cheers!
One more point I would like to address:
I often hear that compression is used, at the request of the clients / artists. Yet, I have never heard that from an artist. I hear it from engineers, and from folks that say that the artists say so (hearsay).
Until I hear or see actual evidence, establishing that artists are really saying this, and doing so for reasons other than the engineer advised them as such, then I will keep the jury out on the root cause for the abusive use of compression.
Compression, and limiting, is used because radio stations want to play louder, people listen, with earbuds, in subways and other noisy environments. And the more highly compressed popular music is, the better it sells.
It isn’t a matter of convincing producers (who have the power in the recording/mixing room) or anyone else in the musical/technical end of the business. It’s convincing management that sales won’t suffer with less compression. That’s a very hard sell.
@@melgross There is truth to that.
However:
1) There are engineers that love compression. Steve interviewed an engineer named Alex. Alex stated that he loves compression (that "he" -- him personally -- loves it). Alex is not using compression with radio and ear buds in mind. He is using it with "Alex" in mind.
2) Folks that love a song are forced to buy it, whether or not it is compressed. There are no alternatives. Either you buy what the record label puts out, or you do not buy it. There is no other version of the song. You have one, and only one, choice to get that song that you love.
So I find it difficult to believe that anyone would say "This sounds too real (because of no compression), too dynamic, too open, too spacious, so I am not going to buy it". Conversely, there are likely countless examples of songs that people, who seek out quality, will not purchase, because of the compression.
Uncompressed songs sound better. So it stands to reason that they would sell better.
Granted, there are some folks that prefer crummy sound from a cheap radio. Those folks, I imagine, probably are not going to buy anything, and if they were inclined to buy a song, I cannot imagine that they give a flick about compressed vs. non compressed.
So people will still buy it. And not for nothing, the uncompressed version will sound better, even with ear buds.
This is why I believe that #1, above, is the primary and almost exclusive reason for why the world is fed compression. We have children, in adult bodies, at the engineering controls.
Knocking out of the park again today Steve.
Two great blokes, with so much knowledge, excellent video 👍
Andrew makes me believe that hi-end audio can be reached by young people with a budget and music lovers.
Well, it could have been exciting, if you hadn't derailed Andrew Jones' talk about designing speakers and turned it into name dropping about socializing with other people in the biz. I was just getting into learning something from Jones when, with ONE TINY QUESTION, you ran that train off the rails.
Kudos, Stevio. It's all about entertainment and nothing about audio. The "Entertainment Tonight" of audio gossip. Kudos. No facts required.
Well, keep on doing it. Sooner or later, you'll miss a tick, and some facts will seep through the audioseptic system.
Thanks Steve. I really enjoyed listening to Andrew (and you).
It's nice that Steve tidied up for his interview with Andrew :)
How did the British develop such a sophisticated speaker industry? So many solid to great manufacturers there.
Nice man. He has been interviewed 50 ways to Sunday.
Jim Griffin
And I can’t get enough, great guy who is accessible
scottyo64 and others would like to see something new and unique.
What a great interview thanks Steve and Andrew!
Thanks Steve. I have always found Andrew to be very interesting to listen to. I would love to hear his opinion on upgrading crossovers on vintage speakers. I have 6 sets of Pioneer HPM speakers, designed by Bart Laconthi which actually led to the development and introduction of TAD. Anyway, all that aside, I wonder what Andrew thinks about upgrading the caps, etc?
i could listen to this guy allday
"Mass confusion", I liked that a lot more than I should have.
Also didn't Robert Fulton of F.M.I. "Do it all" in terms of speaker design? I guess he has been gone for a while now, so technically not currently designing.
Where could I find his paper on speaker cabinets?
He is very eloquent at explaining things to the newbies....still, only 4 minute in and I'm captivated.
Great interview. Lovely guy. I have personally known some reputable speaker designers and reps and have spent time in group settings with them. I can totally relate to the rivalry/camaraderie dynamic in the industry.
Brilliant and beautiful mind!
More money for a better cabinet. Have to factor that for my next speaker purchase
Really informative. Wonderful post.
Fantastic again Steve 👍😎
The audio is perfect on this video! Usually in your videos the interviewer is too loud. 🙂
G’day, Mr Jones mentions KEF quite often, perhaps you were an apprentice there? Anyway just wanted to mention that I recently bought my daughter a pair of KEF Celestials ( newly restored)which she is so happy with. Regarding that she’s only a kid (21) and many of her friends are into Lp’s so young women do like records, even the pretty ones!
Yeah live this! Love Kef pioneer and now Elac b5
Also thx for talking about how to get high res streaming on your portable device.
The cabinet is probably a bit lacking on my b5 but i love them
Built to a price point, as Andrew Jones said.
Steve, clean your apartment before you have guests.😜
Andrew Davis. His place really is cluttered like he moved from a much larger space and couldn’t part with any possessions. It looks like a hoarders cache 👀 maybe it’s due to him getting so much free stuff from manufacturers, for a start, looks like he’s got like a hundred headphones, so yeah he’s a hoarder for sure but the place looks clean really just untidy,
Ps sorry for the ramble; just bored 😅
*Perhaps you could suggest he use all that Paetreon money to hire a maid or house boy😂 (not knowing his inclinations).
Nice interview, but it was hard to believe Guttenberg didn't know what he meant by "throttling".
Ignorance almost ruined the story. When someone tells an anecdote, especially a funny one, it's bad form to ask him to explain it.
Splendid Gentleman from the Old Country!
I've got to know:
Did you offer him a cuppa tea?
And how politely did he decline? ( It's a measure of how long we Brits have been in the Colonies ;-)
I'm looking forward to learning more about speaker design from a master at any price point.
Love the camerederie shown between designers:-)
mass confusion hahaha. I get it
So open baffle speakers are the best way to go?
in this respect yes, check out Siegfried Linkwitz' website, he was investigating cabinet resonances intensivly. He used an old moving magnet c atridge and measured the vibrations on the wood: imagine, the needle on wood instead on vinyl. His site is linkwitzlab.com
mass confusion😂
Question: Which system does Andrew Jones have at his place??
Andrew Jones is always an interesting listen.
"Speakers speaking about speakers"?
Good one
.......being heard through speakers 👍
that was realy cool.
I found Waldo!
I like his British accent
He seems to care about product evolution. Not just bottom line (see Gibson guitars). This is great fun
Thanks! Good morning filler.😎
I really these interviews. So it's not everyday you have the designer of your speakers in your living room. Did he give you any comments or pointers on how they are set up?
Man, Steve, I was all excited for more Nelson Pass. You do have more, don't you? Come on, man, don't hold back on us. More Nelson Pass!
Ah, this guy was interesting, too.
Brian Moore five more Pass interviews, one each Saturday
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac awww, dammit, I gotta wait a whole week?
Great review
I think Steve missed Andrew's techy "mass " pun when telling his joke.
AJ was doing a great job before he unleashed the ELAC Adante AF61 on us. That has to be one of the most unpleasant speakers I've ever listened to. The high end is TERRIBLE because of it's stridency. A lot of people found the bass lacking but that was just poor QC in China, if you remove the drivers and seal the compartments the bass is very good.
I don't know what the problem is but the only way to solve the high frequency problem is to pad down the high end using an L pad.
My AF61 don't sound that way, they sound great. I do use a sub with them.
I have a 3.3 cu ft NHT sub that deals with anything at the very low end. I'm driving the speakers with a pair of PS Audio M700 monoblocks with a Rogue RP5 tube preamp. This is the same electronics that drove my Chane Arx5's and those had a good high end, for a small tower the bass was pretty good but can't compare to the low end on the AF61's. BTW both speakers sound the same so it's not just a defect in one speaker.
Does anybody know at what SN the redesigned tweeters were put in these speakers? It could be I have a a pair with the old tweeters in them?
I have some 10W power resistors on order to build an L pad so I can drop the tweeter level by a few db's, we'll see if that tames things down.
Get Andrew Jonew and jeff rowlands together and build a power tower !! Andrew might have made the fs52s to good for pioneer especially on a good revealing system lol
good stuff
Brits pronounce the L in solder? People always laugh at me here when I make that mistake.
The "L" is there for a reason - isn't it ? How do you say "solder miser" ?
We’re supposed to pronounce it. But here, in the USA, we drop the l most of the time.
@@melgross So what happens to LOL :-) ?
Bogdan Weiss heh. I meant, of course, in the world solder, not in everything.
@@melgross Many idiosyncrasies in the English language...But the grammar is infinitely easier than say French ,German or Polish for that matter... We learn & soldier on... I loved the USA btw ..the people were awesome & you guys will rock again once you throw off that parasite that's subverted your government & institutions....
How are you going to follow this weekend Steve ? Next weekend: Henry Kloss and Paul Klipsch ?
That would be something! Next weekend: More with Nelson and Andrew!
Steve, you got to admit it's funny how I just mentioned Andrew Jones in my last post!🤔🤪😇🤗
What does he have against 8 ohm speakers?
Plutocracy Now! Nothing. But with most amplifiers being solid state, more power is pulled out with a 4 ohm design.
The Second British Invasion.
Now we wait for Britain to be colonized. I kid
I just found Waldo !!!
He reminds me of Jorah Mormont.
How nice!!!!!
Just found Waldo!
OK Steve here's a subject. Why do some languages or accents sound so charming such as Andrew vs. let's say Germans/German who sound much more serious? Does scotch make one wax poetically more than say beer?
John Doe Abbsholootlee!! *hic!*
@@ajn465 and then we have the french with the languid of wine, and the russians and wodka.
AJ looks like he' been out to many steak dinners (if you know what I mean).
You can always use pounds Andrew. ;-)
Mass confusion!
He designs cheap ass $200 speakers that require 4/5k amps to power them. How genius of him! In fact, I still haven't seen an efficient speaker pair designed by him. Utterly overrated!
What a thoroughly idiotic post from someone who obviously knows sweet FA about audio.
You don’t know anything about audio, do you? Even less about andrew’s designs.
Why don’t all companies in the same fields merge 😜
Homogeniety.
Me thinks we have enough monopolies as it is...
Love the image in the mirror next to Andrew's head:) Happy accident I'm sure.
Might not be a reflective surface. Either way, I like it.
👍
I only see the title and know what he will tell us. 👍 I will watch it later...
If only Andrew Jones had made the UniFi Speakers more efficient and more dynamic, then they would have been perfect...
I'm happy the way mines sounds
@@ronaldrice2936
I loved the Sound of mine as well, and I still miss the Imaging, but for home cinema, despite having plenty of Power, they just sounded a bit too laid back. It was a very tough decision, but I now have a set of Klipsch Reference Prime, and they are much more flexible and dynamic even if they don't disappear as nicely as the UniFi did...
Personally I’m sick of hearing about this guy and how great he is on speaker 🔈 building it’s all over this site and it over blown, enough is enough,but this guy to rest,I’m bored hearing the same speech from him
Philip W you don’t have to view it. That’s your choice. Most people appreciate that he takes the time to do this.
Srtop waving your hands! You are as bad as BetoM
Elac have nice speakers but the Debut are power hogs and very lifeless.
I get much Life out of my UB5'S , and don't have real Hi-End gear🤔
The B6 2.0 are shit worse speakers i ever wasted my money on boxy and lifeless.
Learn how to interview!!
Lay off!!
Although nothing to do with the subject at hand, allow me to point out a point of criticism that I noticed in each of your videos (and becomes painstakingly obvious in this one). Your apartment is clearly a mess (and I say this after watching 20+ of your videos). Get a clean place from which you do your interview and your daily shows, and it'll appear much more professional.
I found Waldo!