Time Team S19-E08 Secrets of the Dunes
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- Опубліковано 9 бер 2013
- Eight hundred years ago the people of Kenfig on the south coast of Wales thought they had built the perfect town, nestled round a harbour with easy access to the sea and a sheltered position.
The town appears to have been a thriving commercial success but then it vanished, leaving just a few castle walls to mark its existence.
Extraordinarily, the ruins of the complete town are believed to still lie buried under the immense sand dunes that have covered the whole site since a series of violent storms lashed the coast over 500 years ago.
But even before the storms made life untenable in Kenfig, it seems that the Welsh locals weren't too keen on its Angle-Norman settlers. There are records of a series of attacks from early in the town's life.
After getting through 10 metres of sand, Tony Robinson and the Team have just three days to work out the size of the lost town and see if there's any evidence that the Welsh inflicted any damage on the interlopers.
I love how excited Francis Pryor gets when he’s waxing lyrical about the medieval road at the end.
I think Francis was the funniest and most emotionally engaged member of the Time Team, always enjoy the episodes where he appiers:)
I, on the other hand, can't stand him. He's so obviously aware of the camera he can' help but be over the top in his mannerisms. I can't watch any episode he's in. Sorry.
@@johngore5127 I agree. He is so clearly a self-promoting blowhard.
If Stewart was on the site he would have found whatever they are looking for. I miss Stewart. I bet he has walked over most of England, Wales, and Scotland.
@Charlie K Stewart Ainsworth, landscape archaeologist he was with timeteam from the beginning, really knows his stuff about lumps and bumps.
What were they thinking?
Helen and Stewart - most endearing...
It caused Mick to depart the show, and it folded. 💫❤💫
Francis is so happy this episode I love it
Reijer Zaaijer: Thanks for posting so many Time Team episodes!
Sending a `BIG` thanks for posting, can`t get enough of Tony and the gang, Sad to hear about Mick.
One episode where they definitely need Stewart
Poor Geophys John. Always apologizing for the limitations of his gear, and then he pulls a rabbit out of his hat and they hit the Big Find. Drama in archeology ... whoda thunk?
Thanks to RZ for posting! Viva la Time Team!
Time Team is rather well renowned for building drama!
I think that is standard John.
ILDAR may have worked to penetrate the sand to give the info needed, but may have been too expensive. As it was, John did get Geropfys results. Bravo to John & his team
Understate the probable, then overdeliver
If this had been the first series, we all would have loved it. Alex is actually quite good. However, we had years of Stewart and Helen doing it even better and that was sadly missed, then the producers failed to listen to Mick and that was it...how sad.
i think you are correct, for i never did get into HELEN much because i liked< and was used to robin and carenza >>> however everyone got into stewart> and alex had no chance>
What do you mean that the producers didn't listen to Mick? I'm just curious. I only discovered TT this year.
I'm not familiar with the Timeline. What happened to Helen and Stuart? I love both of them.
@@Em-sv3ks They were losing viewers. So they made changes to the formula in hopes of getting those viewers back. Mick disagreed (he felt they were dumbing down the show). He also disagreed with the appointment of Mary-Ann and he left the team (Mary-Ann followed two days later). He was very bitter about it, and unfortunately passed away in 2013, by which time the series had been cancelled.
Quite a few fan-favorites (Stewart, Helen) were replaced, and it's a controversy among Time Team fans to this day. I, for one, think it's unfair to Alex and Mary-Ann.
The new Time Team has brought back a lot of the old members, and with new presenters as well, and the two new episodes are quite well received.
@@Gremriel Thank you, that explains a lot. I miss Mick, Stewart and Helen in these later episodes, and I'm happy to see Helen and Stewart in the newest ones. I hope someone picks TT up for a full season.
Love Francis’ “lecture” to Tony’s questions.
I wonder if as the town got more established and prosperous, that they stripped the vegetation from the surrounding dunes,(reeds and grasses for thatching,scrub and trees for building), eventually leaving them bare, and mobile... So when that series of storms came, the now unstable dunes shifted...
I think you've stated it perfectly.
this happened in the western high plains of the US, where topsoil was blown heavily due to over-cultivation of fields prior to planting. in the last 20 years, "no-till" planting has become the norm, with minimal cultivation happening, and crops are sewn directly into older crops. the old decaying plants help hold the soil.
Exactly. Between cutting down trees and plowing for farming, they would have exposed the topsoil to erosion. The Provincelands of Cape Cod, Massachusetts, USA are a prime example. Once covered with trees, much of the outer cape is now exposed sand, with the dunes of the Provincelands looking like the Sahara. Wind will push dunes like waves in the sea, but first you need sufficient exposed sand to move. I'm sure ecologists in the UK know this, but they just weren't asked.
Poor John, God love him.. he puts up with so much and Try's so hard.
Tries.
Many thanks for these uploads...I watched this series in it's early days, and am very pleased to have stumbled across your uploads...I have years to catch up on! Fantastic!
It’s means it is. You mean its.
Absolutely love time team. I have enjoyed so many episodes..!!!
Amazing site! It's crazy that people walk over things for centuries that are just buried under their feet.
I thought Rule Number One in Archaeology was to never compare anything you haven't yet dug to Pompeii.
Phil is wearing a Woolly Pully! Cool- Must have been pretty chilly that day.
And check out Tracey’s rabbit thumb-ring at 14:03....
I wonder if Cassie is still around. I wonder who find Raksha a favorite like I do.
i love Raksha. She looks like she would give great cuddles :)
I liked Raksha, Phil, sir Tony.. even the Often rubbed Geo Spc Team
RIP Mick.. (he was Atheist..)
Raksha currently works for digventures, a sort of spin off of time team that crowd funds dogs and let's people come volunteer at all steps and phases of an excavation.
Cassie I on the books as a consulting archaeologist for Wessex archaeology. Phil works there and has some current vids on their youtube.
Got me hooked thanks for sharing.
I hate to say, but you can see the moment they 'Americanized' the series, and how much everyone involved resents it.
Hey, I also resent it. I love TT but this new one is not as good. I miss Helen. She was so knowledgable
Sent on UA-cam for iPhone.
Watching in 2020
Me too.
Love this episode too.. thanks for posting
This episode made me drink all the rest of my beer.
Thanks for the upload. The Brits have blocked their site to us foreigners. I'd think thatch would catch fire easily if the weather had been dry for a while _but_ if the weather had been damp and rainy it might be like trying to set a soggy sponge on fire. Next to impossible to do.
Thatch also soaks up fire spot which is naturally mildly fire retardant. didn't matter when two or three hundred guys had a quiver of two dozen arrows each though. Siege warfare skeletal remains tell extremely grim tales lemme tell ya
Francis: "We've got a really big wall here."
Anyone: "What kind of a wall?"
Francis: "Ritual."
Any bets?
we had a town like that here in Michigan. Singapore Michigan. one winter, the town was buried in sand. town was more or less abandoned shortly after.
Thank you. That sent me on a small research project. I didn't know about Singapore.
@@EnglishTeacher-ez1bo cool. Kinda a cool story. Short but cool. There are LOTS of little ghost towns in Michigan. Sadly, unlike out west, there is very little to see in most. They were either completely destroyed by weather or absorbed into larger communities.
@@kevinquist the weather in Michigan is not kind and lack of maintenance and repairs quickly takes a toll.
@@S_Evenwar i have literally seen 1 winter take a building from, meh decently maintained, to in the spring there was one wall left. all nature. Owner died. left no direction what to do with the building. while the family was fighting over int court. the snow caved in the roof and then the walls came in. 'takes a toll' is being very conservative.
"lumps and bumps" must be some of the most pronounced words in Time Team haha.
Phil is fantastic as usual!
The ground-penetrating radar is amazing but the equipment is mounted on appears to lack engineering. The wheels should be much larger and I have an under slung carriage. The wheels could be 10 inches in diameter and make moving it across rough ground much easier. If I worked on Time Team, I would have been pushing to allow me to modify that piece of equipment. It would have been a simple one day project.
I keep watching these and THERE'S ALWAYS JUST A RANDOM DOG SOMEWHERE
Furgie Where’s the dog? I have watched it twice and didn’t spot the pupper anywhere.
@@RKHageman I'll actually have to rewatch it later this week, it's been so long that I have forgotten XD
Random? How does their presence even meeit a mention?
You do know that they're popular pets and that there are folk who keep working dogs by them in their daily doings!.
@@seekernz7790 Because when you sit down and watch an episode of archaeological digs on a time crunch you don't normally expect to see a four legged friend just floatin about. I'm not mad it just turned into a challenge for me to spot the pupper.
Go through Victor's previous illustrations from previous episodes. You will find a dog in all the finished landscaped drawings. It was his trademark to include a dog in them.
Thanks.
Thanks for these! We can't get a lot of really good UK and Australia programs here in the states, its all blocked!!!
Marcus Shaner Firefox has a browser add-on that allows you to view blocked-in-your-country content on the Internet. I've used it to watch BBC shows from their library from sunny SoCal.
is it Stealthy?
Maybe not available where you live but all seasons and episodes are available on UA-cam in Canada, where I live.
Use a VPN/Proxy and you can _unblock_ just about anything.
Ohhh, Kenfig! I had no idea why some ancient folks would want to name their town TENT PEG! My bad.
The initial storm must have dumped about a meter or so of sand over the town, considering that the walls they're digging up don't seem much higher than that. Otherwise, if the buildings have been completely covered they'd be digging up walls a few stories high. The rest of the sand must have built up over subsequent years.
To Vagrants, Harlots & Naughty Bits was just Hilarious.
That pub scene just proves how much the TT crew enjoyed each other.
Just proves that ALL the naysayer keyboard warriors are just jealous of Intelligence & how they actually did their jobs no matter what the conditions were.
I bet when Tony is up in that helicopter,he misses Mick 😢
23:05 is not a fair simulation. One of two arrows hardly mimics the firestorm a couple hundred guys shooting as fast as they could represented. Matt even said the entire country was shooting at these frontier motte and Bailey sites.
The sands of time wait on no man...
Can't believe I found a TT I haven't seen..WoooHooo
That was enjoyable, I thought the biology was amusing ie a pub table with some old facts sitting all trying to impress the pretty girl. Why is the geo phiz guy John so unhappy, he never seems content with his lot, this episode was the first time I've ever seen him smile.
I love my Norman ancestors.
I really want to watch Tony dig!
He said "weak beer", as in "small beer" ... Although there's nothing wrong with wheat beer...
yes,I miss MicK.Where's Stuart...English Heritage? His common sense was always spot on.I imagine Tony may need bigger & Better things.
He ended up being a teacher last I heard. It's been right years since this episode.
Matt and Alex can't even draw their long bows properly!
Well, they're archæologists rather than archers❗
Did anyone notice the "ruins" in the sand on the beach at 26:00 ?? Looks like either a building or, more likely, the hull of a ship. Just curious if anyone ever figured that out :)
I just passed that part and was wondering the same thing. It's a ship for sure. The shape of the bow is quite clear.
Its probably a ship, but it could be more recent than the medieval village, perhaps Victorian.
Phillip Ross and I caught that too. Good eye!
Where is Helen Geake ? Hello from across the pond...
the controversial "tits and teeth" replaced her
Jigger2361 ....wasn’t she why Mick quit? When they hired her?
@@WyattRyeSway , Was Mick's 'retiring' from the team not linked to Raksha's leaving?
@@corneliawissing7950 .....Mick was just pissed that they were getting rid of real talent and knowledge for “beauty and boobs”.
@@WyattRyeSway , Raksha was indeed 'real talent and knowledge', but I understand the new young woman, with her scripted lines, soon realised that she was merely on the programme for her outward attractions, served out her contract and resigned. She couldn't really have been stupid if she understood the situation that well? Anyway, Raksha is beautiful!!!
I don't normally comment on these. Some of the folk from Time Team have passed on and this all happened years ago, but I binge on still. I only had to comment because Phil said, "I don't do weak beer", and I had to wonder if he did strong beer/ale/ipa and how the definitions of those things changed from the medieval period to the 20th century to the 21st century. ABV is the only thing you could compare, no? That would be a great show!
I believe "weak beer" or to use proper name "small beer" is a weak beer that was drunk throughout the day, in place of water that could be contaminated.
The intros of these later series is lacking the honest warm natural feeling of time team. It feels more like an action packed ancient aliens history channel intro. The beginning of the slippery slope towards that.
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Oh I could get equipment and coordinate it well enough to remove all the sand.
But it would be cost prohibitive and unethical environmentally.
That's the problem with machinery.
Takes minutes to drop a tree that would take 80 years to replace if it's the wrong one.
Also the Welsh government would probably revive the use of fire arrows if you tried lol
@@joshschneider9766 That doesn't sound like a pleasant experience for me as the targeted "pincushion" in that hypothetical.
Just going to leave the dirt laying where it's at to be on the safe side.😂🤣👍
When will Phil dig Stonehenge? ...and Ancient sites in Ireland, County Kerry preferably, that the land of my lineage. 🍀
Beth
Tennessee, USA
(Chicago born, "Mary Beth") 😘
i love wheat beer. hefeweizen. yummm.
*weak beer as in small beer. The second time the mash gets fermented.
It’s just not the same without Mick, Stewart and Helene. Tony and Phil are great but I like the others too.
Stewart is still in this season
All three of them were still in this series just not in every episode.
attacked again and again ... so it was the town in all the mel brooks movies... cool lol ;)
One of about a hundred and twenty in the Welsh borderlands. Though a fair few of them could fairly be called fortlets rather than fully developed new towns.
Ain't Cassie cute!
I just read the comments, after watching the series 3 times. :P Mary Anne Ochota irritates me. She seems to be there, just to be on tv. She doesn't even look interested in the archeology; but seems to be a 'Look at me, aren't I lovely?' woman. Isn't it funny, how just the sight of someone we don't even know, can tell us we don't like her? :D
From her Wikipedia entry she seems like a qualified and decent person:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary-Ann_Ochota
It's obvious that the suits upstairs added her for her looks as an attempt to perk up the show's (by then) waning ratings. It's not her fault.
But it's obvious that she never really 'clicked' with the rest of the team and only lasted a season.
@@stannousflouride8372 yup... so sad
@@stannousflouride8372 Actually she _left._ She hated the way she was used which was why she seemed not to _click._ She is actually a fine and well-qualified historian.
7:10 Apparently Francis doesn’t know about Bagger 288
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Hey , there are boat remains behind Tony at 26.00
you caught that to eh? Good eye!
let's "get stuck in", TT fans!
"stuck in"? wa-hay! Sounds a bit rude doesn't it? Sounds a bit like... "bum".
It's a dumb thing to say that there isn't a machine large enough to move the sand when there are bucket wheel excavators and front end loaders that can move thousands of tons per hour
Probably not in an archeologically sound manner.
its hard to watch this drivel. back to season 1
"Tits-N-Teeth Archaeology"-Mick Aston. No wonder the great Professor Aston walked out. R.I.P Mick.
So did *Mary-Ann Ochota.*
Hey, why not do a bunch of coring? They might miss some deeply buried stuff, but also not waste time on levels that are not readily reachable.
Why have they stared showing little previews. We are not Americans, we don't need to be treated like children, we listen, absorb the info and follow the the finds.
As an American, I also find the previews irritating.
Geophysics: Resistance is futile.
Resistance is futile!
I miss Stewart and Helen and Jackie and Victor. Wikipedia says VA was in series 19, but I don’t recall seeing him… Everything seems CGI now 👎🏼
Victor died last week. May be always be recalled fondly
Also it's worth noting time team afforded him the opportunity to be one of the first artists in the world to use a digital drawing tablet. It seems to have been just another pencil for the old genius.
Imagine if people nowadays had to pay £500 every time they didn't pick up their dog poop ... That would be good
Tony: "We've come to expose a well-recorded town buried under the sand."
Francis: "We've exposed an unknown town buried under the sand."
They're such alcoholics! 😅✌👍❤
SO
They’re Brits. And it’s cold.
So what does it take in your world for a bloke to earn his pint of beer at the end of a hard day's work?! Just because a body drinks doesn't mean their an alcoholic!
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I just watched time team america so people here may find this interesting :)
Something seems suspicious, how did they know to burry the find right where they were digging?
The show already had Tony Robinson. They didn't need another bimbo.
I have to agree. What is her point in being there?
cyberlucy It all sure felt like typical TV producers shenanigans to cancel a series. Make changes the fans don't like and cancel it when the ratings drop.
+cyberlucy Eye candy to boost the falling ratings. But you would have thought they could at least get someone who doesn't look like a jack'O'lantern.
+bilgeratjim Aw c'mon you're just being mean. She is highly educated and said her lines based on a script that was given to her. Not fair to judge her based on the past. She was not responsible for the idiot producers poor choices.
Upsydasy Me Very true, and i do apologize Except for the jack-o-lantern comparison part)
I can't stand alex. They always wanna slip him in... GET Off!!
Francis Pryor is no Mick Aston, and the shows demise coincided with the loss of Mick
When you bring in a bimbo you get Mary Ann and her idiotic comments. I also miss Stewart. It's too bad that the producers decided to dumb down this program. It was the final blow to the franchise.
That bimbo you're talking about is a very highly qualified archaeologist, and knows what she is talking about. And only asks what she is scripted to ask.
@@leesloan8216 Mick Aston privately described the introduction of the talking-heads as "Tit's-N-Teeth Archaeology". No wonder he left.
@@leesloan8216 She can only say what she's told to say. Apparently she was directed to wear tight shirts, ask stupid questions, and smile insincerely. Not her fault, but deadly anyway.
I feel sorry for her actually. I just started binge watching but I don't remember any of the other cast having to plaster "insincere smiles" while being filmed close up.
There's something unnatural in how she presented in this show.
I'd imagine that it was not easy for her and Alex to break in that group that have been working for years.
I miss seeing Stewart... He's awesome...have a crush on him ☺
She has dual master's degree in archaeology and anthropology, if anyone's a bimbo it's you... you senile old bat.
The show suffered greatly when Mick left a Francis Pryor took his place. Words cannot express how much I detest that hack and miss Mick (Rest In Peace)
Kenneth Bryan How’s that again?! Dr. Pryor is an eminent archaeologist whose specialty is prehistoric Britain. He has several books to his credit, and he has been in many many episodes of TimeTeam, going back to about season 5, IIRC.
You may not care for him-there’s no accounting for tastes- but he’s absolutely no “hack”.
The hacks would be Alex and MaryAnn, who have no business being there.
@@RKHageman Nah Mary-Ann is a well known historian as well. She was unfortunately hired to be an actor rather than showing her actual skill and thus left as soon as the contract ran out. She was made to ask dumb stuff she definitely knew the answers to etc.
It's the directors and producers fault.
Though the show was already crashing down around season 17 numbers wise, so this was their last ditch attempt at rejuvenating the show. Which didn't go so well.
What does Alex actually do on this dig? or Mary Ann?
Season 19 - when the producer fixed what was NOT BROKEN.
Screw this. I’ll re-watch episodes when Stewart and Carenza we’re still on the program
Maryann: "I've been going through the records..."
No, you haven't, though the wage slave who wrote your script has.
Ugh. Season 19 is painful to watch. Tony and Phil were still wonderful, of course. John plugging along doggedly with his geophys. Always a happy moment whenever Raksha turns up. But, so many favorites gone and the magic drained from the show. I wonder if Francis was frustrated with the nonsense dumped in his lap. The show lost its alchemy. Mary-Ann Ochata was an abomination. What idiot cast her in Time Team? Utterly irritating. Alex Landlands was good enough but has been used to far better effect in other series (e.g. Wartime Farm). His insertion into Time Team just feels forced and awkward, but he made an honest go of it. The casting changes were the death knell of the long beloved series. It's so sad that the cheapening of Time Team was one of the last things Mick Aston had to endure shortly before his death. It says a lot that he had the integrity to walk away when he did instead of being party to a travesty.
Mary-Ann: I am not a fan
Mary-Ann Ochota has enough teeth for the whole crew. If they put her on a turntable, she could be a lighthouse.
Blacque Jacque Shellacque perhaps you’d be better off with coronation street, less taxing on your intelligence.
With 32 REAL teeth in her mouth she would be celebrity material in Arkansas US. If she lived there she would be considered a prize just because of her teeth. Q: What do you have with 32 Arkansonians in the same room?A: A full set of teeth.
@@kevintynan796 oh oh Corrie!!!
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Look on Google Earth or something similar and it doesn't take long to figure out that they are digging in the wrong place. Look south past the pond and you will see all kinds of evidence down toward the golf course, which is right next to the current town of Kenfig.
It may just, _just,_ have been that they had no permission to dig there. Of course it might have been that the local archæological society asked them to dig in the area they _did_ dig in.
So they found a few stone wall foundations and no pottery. Sadly typical of the later seasons, all hype. Tantalizing but inconclusive. No Mick either.
Got the feeling you'd say the same thing for roundhouses & only shards of pottery found
I wonder if John knows that they have archaeology in the Middle East in the desert where there's 'a little sand', but the geophysics still seem to work... Bit of an act I presume, and if not then.. incompetence?
The sands of *Egypt* are not the same as the sand dunes of south *Wales.*
When Mick left TT it was based on solid principles; we sure don't need an uninformed Beauty Queen to ask questions where expert Mick & the others always asked the questions or ensured we had Expert Opinion NOT prompted by ignorant. This prettifying, low budget method killed TT and all of my interest in this shit degrading of a high quality 20 friken yrs of success! BBC Bombed TT!
It was not a BBC program; it was Channel 4. Some poor decisions for sure, but the old format we all love had been losing viewers - and thus advertisers - for awhile and they were trying to revitalize it.
Also Mary Anne has a masters in archaeology and social anthropology from Cambridge so she wasn't unqualified. She also has gone on to be professionally successful. So blame the producers for how they used and edited her.
Leave John at home cause his machine never seems to work
Have to skip all the episodes with Ochoa or whatever it's name is. It absolutely RUINS the show,.
The girl was senseless, asked a question, waited for a long answer then mumbled a few more words. Virtually no digging, just constant talking, utter crap
Just like you, adding nothing interesting or useful...just crap.
you do realise there's more to archeology than just being able to dig a hole, right? In any field there's also the promoters, people who are better at tálking about their field rather than being the best archeologist. Otherwise you can kiss your funding goodbye.
You wouldn't criticise the geo-phys guys for walking around, rather than digging, would you.
Beautiful Intelligent women seem to scare you. Such a pity & your Dad must be oh so proud of how you talk about women. Then again the apple doesn't fall from the tree & Respect Might not have been instilled in you.
@@tpseeker3367 she's NOT beautiful neither was Diana
Yeah I can see it now how when you're old & grumpy you'll be yelling at people to get off your lawn even when their on a sidewalk@@neonskyline1 .
The newest recruits is why the show failed. Particularly the gal. Too bad.
The old crew are the only reason we watch it at all.
Wrong.
@@AnnaAnna-uc2ff that's your opinion. I've been watching it since it started, and I stand by my opinion.
It didn't last long after they came. That tells it all.
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