Illegal In These California National Parks : Sequoia / Yosemite Prohibit The Use Of Bear Spray. Why?
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
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In This Weeks Video We Are talking about Sequoia And Yosemite National Parks Ban Of Bear Spray.
During My Planning Of My 2023 Backpacking Trip To Pear Lake, I learned Just Before Arriving, The Ban Of Bear Spray Within The Park. Of Course I Did The Right Thing And Left The Canister At Home.
In My Time At Sequoias Ive Seen Black Bears Anywhere From 100 Yards Away, Down To 15 Or 20, Never Once Did I Feel I Was In Danger. During The 2023 Trip, We Woke Up Two Days In A Row To The Sounds Of Nearby Campers Attempting To Get Bears To Move Along From The Camp. Still, I was Able To Dose Back Off Without Fear.
But What If One Day, As Rare Or Unlikely It May Be, I Have An Encounter That Requires Implementation Of Bear Spray. Will I Ever Need It, Will It Even Work, Am I Even Trained Enough To Use It Effectively?
Besides All Of The Above Questions, The Bigger One At Least To Me Is, Why Have These Parks Decided That Because Ill Almost Never Need It, I Shouldn't Ever Have It.
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This is very unsmart. Bear spray is simply a deterrent. I carry a gun, illegally if I have to. I would do he same with spray.
From what I can tell, CC is permitted in these parks, I never got as far as what the laws are for discharge. Thought that was interesting…
You are right tho, bear spray should definitely be considered a deterrent when it comes to grizzly for sure. Black bears I’d imagine would be more reactive to the situation and discomfort and simply jam outta there.
I was born and raised in San Francisco. Correct me if I’m wrong, but did California change something? For my entire life it has been impossible to even entertain the idea of getting a CCW. The only people who were given CCW‘s were friends of sheriffs and police, and retired leos
I’m barely familiar with the laws regarding this but a couple years ago when I was researching this, it certainly seemed to be the case it was very hard to acquire a CC permit. But the evidence of how many people I know that have them seems to say otherwise.
@@generallobster the Bruen decision by the Supreme Court : In a 6-3 decision, the Supreme Court ruled that New York's law was unconstitutional and that the ability to carry a pistol in public was a constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment. States cannot deny your CCW anymore. They just dont want you to know that. I finally got one in MD. Everyone told me it was impossible. Its not. It was pretty easy to do. Before the decision, it was almost impossible unless you had substantial reason.
@@generallobster Historically it depended on what county you lived in because it was up to the Sheriff. So the more rural conservative counties would issue CCW's while counties like San Francisco, LA, San Diego, would not. BUT, yes something has changed recently by court rulings in how CA handled CCWs, making it a right to have a CCW issued (if the person is allowed to own a firearm) and not a decision a sheriff gets to make. HOWEVER, CA responded by passing laws making it illegal to carry a gun almost everywhere, making using a CCW impossible. Again however, NPs are federal land and MAY? not be subject to that law SO getting a CCW so you could have a gun in the NP might still be an option.
The chances of a bear attack are near zero for the general park attendees, but it’s a 100% chance for the one who’s being attacked. The prohibition of bear spray is absurd. If they would rather us shoot and kill a bear instead of use spray, well, I guess I’ll do that instead. 🤷♂️
Let me know how having a firearm in a National Park works out for you.
@@TimeSurfer206 Having a firearm in a national park is federally protected, and legal in every single one I've been to. The only question is state CCW laws.
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 @TimeSurfer206
I'm still going and I damn sure will have bear spray with me. I tend to ignore laws that put my life in further danger.
I had a 6’ (while on hind legs roaring at me) black bear come up onto my deck in mid day after the trash can. The golden retriever bucked on him. I ran out and grabbed the dog and tossed her inside. Not having time to get a firearm in hand, I turned and screamed loudly at the bear with my arms out. It shocked him just enough that he lost his footing on the top step and slipped down a couple. That apparently spooked him enough that he retreated into the woods. It took 2 hours for my heart rate to return to normal.
I called animal control and asked what I was allowed to do to protect my animals and they said that unless a HUMAN life was in immediate danger I wasn’t allowed to harm the bear. I laughed and hung up. I’m not going to watch my animals be eaten by a hungry bear. F that.
(Blue Ridge Mountains, Va)
Ps… leave Commiefornia for a more free state. You’ll be happier and you’ll be able to carry to protect yourself from animals and criminals alike.
You can do all that now you just decide to listen to California, we are far beyond time to stop listening to our corrupt government tell us how to live
What-the-actual-F...?
@@troyrager1352 It's Commiefornia and I wish the comrades would succeed already and call CA what it is, China Minor.
@@Hutch_Davenport I wish they'd "Succeed," as well.
And that TexASS would make itself intro a shithole country by seceding from the rest of America's economy.
I had this discussion with the previous (male) superintendent of Lassen Volcanic National Park:
1.) ANY superintendent can apply for a waiver to allow bear spray. Great Smoky Mountains National Park applied and received a waiver... unfortunately a solo hiker had to die from a Black Bear attack before they became motivated to do this.
2.) Lassen's reasons for not applying for a waiver is because "our bears aren't aggressive" and "we're afraid people will use the bear spray on humans"... this despite the fact that Lassen regularly has to close trails and prohibit overnight backpacking because of...guess what?...aggressive bears.
3.) A bear that has received a whiff of bear spray is more likely to be afraid of people, and therefore less likely to be involved in an incident, and be possibly euthanized. Bear spray is beneficial for humans AND bears.
A fork to the eye can cause devastating damage. Let's outlaw forks!
California law protects everyone except for the law abiding citizen.
Yosemite and Sequoia are National Parks in the state of California, not California State Parks. The policy is set by the feds and not the CA state government.
Thank you so much for the correction! On my way to fix now :)
Bear spray yes, guns yes, taxing automotive registration no.
Ha love the comment, thank you :)
I took a shot at it…short minded idea but maybe there’s something there, maybe not
Better 2 be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I'll do what i want 2 protect myself & those i love.
Sixty years + ago, I got paid to survey/map forest trees in Northern California. I carried a compass, no food, a Biltmore stick, a metal tablet, a mechanical counter, a canteen belt (but drank from streams), a .22 cal pistol, (survival tool and noisemaker), a hardhat, a knife or two, and keys. Black bear encounters? About one per year.
Once, while traversing through a second-growth white fir thicket with good visibility I felt the call of Nature, so to speak. I stopped on the hillside by a small, bent-over dead tree about twenty feet uphill from a large "windthrow" (a large uprooted tree) with a rootplate that stuck up about twelve feet. Taking off all my gear, I grabbed the bent-over dead tree and began to soil the soil of the forest floor. I heard some rustling in the dead twigs and needles, and was rewarded by the sight of the cutest little brown baby black bear, soon followed by a black baby black bear. How CUTE! They didn't see me. Too busy exploring.
Then, the top of the windthrown stump began growing bear hair, twelve feet in the air. Now in such a lowly compromised position, I was, shall we say, in NO position to slay 500+ pounds of black bear momma. Or argue with her. I had no choice but to apologize for messing up her living room floor, and behave myself.
In s l o w-motion, I pulled up my "Can't Bust "Ems," followed by my belt/pistol, notebook, and Biltmore Stick, took a compass reading, and still in slow-motion, restarted my survey strip. Momma snorted a bluff-charge once, and I kept moving, quartering down the hill to the edge of the thicket. I chanced a glance. Momma was still looking at me. I went on, and the bears went back to their business--singing, I suppose, ua-cam.com/video/RZH2bmbUTl4/v-deo.html
This is what a brother from Ethopia who made 16mm films of himself unarmed in the midst of lions, elephants, in Africa. "Respect the animals," he said.
You can carry a gun in Yosemite if you have a CCW, but it’s illegal to discharge it for any reason…..
I have only pulled out my bear spray 4 times backpacking. But ultimately didn't need to discharge it. The only time I have ever discharged it, was an accident while bushwhacking (a desk pop, that was fun). Once was for a great pyrenees guarding a flock of 1000 sheep spread conveniently across an alpine trail. Once was an unanticipated momma moose and her calf that came out right in front of us on the trail. The other two times were creepos on drugs/alcohol in the backcountry. I also consistently carry a firearm in the backcountry, particularly if I am with people who's safety depends on me: family and minors. My point is, I am more scared of people than animals, but like to be prepared for the gamut of situations. Taking away these legal, non lethal, means of protection is really a disservice to more vulnerable people. I'd bet if you ask around, more people have justly used their 'Bear spray' on other people and domestic dogs than they have on bears.
If you’re fishing you can bring a gun. I think the no bear spray in Yosemite is ridiculous. That said I’ve had a few bear encounters in the Sierras and it’s never been a problem.
Thanks for the comment! Fish and guns love it!
"Well Mr. Park Ranger sir, I was hiking along and found this canister-like can with a nozzle-like thing on the top of it and the label said "bear deterrent". I knew some hiker had left it on the trail accidentally and thought I'd bring it on back to you as I hiked out. Then this grizzly ran and me and I instinctively point the can in his direction and suddenly, it went off. The spray just happened like magic and the bear left." So what do you think about that? Crazy huh?!
Innocent until proven guilty ha. Awesome scenario
@@zacmagers Humans should not make laws they can not enforce.
Especially in campgrounds. People don’t know how to keep a clean camp. My neighbor had a box of pringles and bear walked up at 9:30 and sat under a tree and ate the whole box while they honked, yelled and banged pots. He finally left. That bear was conditioned and came every night looking through your stuff.
Two other organic hippies and myself just out of highschool in 73 decided to conquer every mountain in California over 10K. When we were in the forest we acted like animals. The first time we had a black bear come into camp, we got up like crazy wildmen and started growling loud and chasing the bear, he ran like hell. If we saw a bear on the trail we'd chase him. Been doing it ever since and they'd always run. Never had one turn on us. We got caught by a ranger chasing bears in a national park and was given a strong warning. We did the same with mountain lions and they took off too. Why? Because the last thing they expect is something chasing them.
I think my biggest thought after watching this is about the bear that Norwegian Xplorer encountered. It likely would have been in that bear's long-term benifit to be sprayed during its false charge. It would have given the bear a great reason to be scared of humans, and avoid them in the future.
Instead, the bear spent a good amount of time near humans, got close and attempted to show aggression towards them (probably so they'd leave their food,) and had no negative consequences to take from it. That bear is *just that much* more likely to do it again in the future, which I'd guess he had already done before in the past.
In the end, problem bears have only one ending. Bear spray might get them further away from that unfortunate ending.
I’m old enough to remember when mace became popular for women to protect them selves . The government saw a need to step in and make you have training class and a license to carry the mace. They made it so expensive that women stoped carrying it .
Park ranger: I heard a gunshot! And what happened to that bear?!
Me: Bigfoot has a gun!!!
I carry Lysol. Hey, the bears stink and so I just want to help out with the foul odor. In my experiences, the bears seem to enjoy it. They go away happy, still hungry, but smelling better, and I, well, I get to tell you my tale.
Sir, I’d like to suggest you are responsible for the Charmin breed of bears we have been seeing. Bears accustomed to the niceties of man has an origin.
How are humans expected to protect themselves from bears or wolves?
Stand tall, be in charge…ha jk luckily that works almost always on black bears for sure.
Something I really meant to mention in the video is the extent the park rangers use to protect themselves or haze bears from the areas : rubber pellets, paint balls, bear spray. So that’s how rangers do it according to the sequoia parks website
By staying home. LMAO
You can enjoy the outdoors on your couch by watching youtube videos of the outdoor.
Most people don’t know it’s against the law to carry bear mace in places they know they might need it. Keep it that way. Might save a life.
Penalty for not having it is fatal. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. COUGARS are my fear.
If you spray the bear he will be afraid of humans an that would be the best outcome
I’ve read about this being a thing a couple times. While I know it’s uncomfortable for the bears, if it truly keeps them away from humans for good and they stay alive, that’s a great outcome I’d say
The rule is silly! The best thing that can happen in a bear encounter is you both go your separate ways. The best thing that happens if the bear is aggressive is that you have to use the bear spray to protect yourself and the bear runs off stinging a little bit but otherwise unharmed and doesn't have to be put down for mauling a human. The bear now associates the feeling of the bear spray with humans and wants nothing to do with them. Silly decision by those National Parks you mentioned. An absolute lack of logic or foresight by them. Do what you have to protect yourself because chances are no one else will.
It’s California what do you expect besides nonsensical bs .
STOP!!…. or i will say STOP AGAIN!!😂
Sounds like a good bear t-shirt to me!
All public funds to these parks needs to be removed until they are responsive to the PEOPLE. Whose country is this ? The bureaucrats and the rest of the elite ? We will not comply. Pretty simple.
California - V for vendetta movie style government.
California is just warming up.
75 years from now you won't be able to tell the difference between v for vendetta and California.
So, the pistol packing rangers are also allowed (required?) to carry (and use) bear spray, but the citizens who may encounter the bears are not?
F that. I'll pack whatever I feel necessary to protect myself and family when out in the wilds. National Park or otherwise.
I carry whatever means of defense I deem necessary. It is solely my decision. The last time I traveled to California was about 6 years ago. I'm glad I got to see the state decades ago, because I will never be going back. In the last year, I also made the decision to scratch all national parks off my list of destinations. There are too many people there anyway. I travel most of the year, and most of my time is spent in remote areas of national forest and BLM land. I've had 100s of encounters with bears, some pretty hair raising. What you are seeing with the black bear in the video is a prelude to a predatory attack. It's not wise in a circumstance like this to take too soft an approach. The bear is looking for weakness and deciding whether the attack is safe or a poor risk. He is testing.
Howdy there !
The footage of this bears behavior basically lives rent free in my mind, not from a place of fear but an understanding of how situational each encounter can be, and that its just a mater of time before the long standing " there have been no black bear fatal attacks in X years in X area " is no longer a stat thats true. Now thats certainly not the bears fault, but we happen to be sharing a space in this nature and its ridiculous that people aren't allowed to protect themselves with non-lethal means.
The rangers are utilizing rubber pellets, spray, so on as a deterrent as last measure when its the last resort, which just points to not a protection of bears from weapons, but a lack in trust of the general public to carry non-lethal protection. Folks that misuse these tools should face heavy fines and /or jail time, but instead the tools are stripped away from everyone.
Thanks for checking out the video !
West coast black bears seem to be more bad ass than east coast black bears. I'd never consider carrying bear spray on the east coast.
It’s so fascinating to me how different their behavior can be across the states. It’s a lot of information to research and take in.
On the west side, it even seems like black bears are more dangerous the further out the forest you get, say like san bernardino or an area like that. I’m not sure out of desperateness or hunger, more attacks seem to happen within a city. So wild!
You don't need it, until nature gets you. Coytes, mountain lions, bears, humans, etc. It's just an option, it sucks to have ZERO options when you have done everything else.
@laszlovass7326 Agreed. Watching that encounter with Norwegian Xporer, that was handled pretty well but I wonder if they wish they had options with them
Tell that to the guy that got eaten by a black bear two years ago in the Smokies. Or the woman and child who also got eaten there recently as well. Male solitary black bears will prey on humans in some circumstances. Only North American bears to see humans as potential prey are the black and polar bear. You are just ignorant of the facts, and making assumptions. Its a common human flaw.
There is really good data to suggest that proximity to humans has lead to evolutionary pressures selecting for the less aggressive bears. Those bears have been in proximity to human population density in the east for sometime. Some of the accounts of bears during Lewis and Clark expedition seam outlandish based on the bears we still have around in the continental US today.
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So they’d rather us shoot and kill a bear if it came to that than spray it and scare it off?
They are both National parks, not state parks. (Title of video "State Parks") As an American I own these parks. .0000000000000001% ownership. Who do they think they are to tell me what I do on my own property.
Thank you for the title correction! I wrote that up pretty late …
There's the "law" and then There's REAL LIFE!😂
I cannot fathom the reason for this policy
Us vs them. We are not trusted with self protection as citizens. And citizens sometimes do stupid things like use it against each other in a fight over campsite parking spaces. Just a theory …
The fact THEY can carry guns / tasers / paintball guns / spray and WE cannot, shows we either aren’t trusted or we messed up that trust. Well at least a couple people messed up the trust. So someone WILL eventually be severely injured or killed in Sequoia / Kings Canyon National Park and they will have to revisit this
@@zacmagers well that's the thing though, you can carry a gun with a CCW, but you can't carry best spray, the most effective deterrent to a bear attack and it will do no long term harm to the bear and probably teach them to avoid humans. There is like zero sense to it.
I was surprised to learn that we're being concerned with black bears. Brown bears I get, but black bears have no reason to attack me unless I happen to be standing next to a couple of black bear cubs.
As a farmer growing a bunch of food that black bears like, I only ever had a problem with one, and that was because it had a damaged paw from a trap and was skinny and desperate. The game wardens used stale doughnuts to bait her out.
If the spray saves my life I will pay the fine for having it.
I used to go on extended back packing trips. I carried a walking stick and a sheath knife. The only animals that ever scared me were other humans. I carry bear spray now, mainly for off-leash dogs.
You can rent bear spray in Yellowstone NP. Kinda odd that the NPs in CA say it's a weapon and illegal yet in Yellowstone you can rent it AND they made a video on how to use it. I've see video of it used on Mt Lions also. Plenty of those in CA. A number of years ago my friend was hiking in Yosemite, when he took a break to have a snack a bear approached him trying to get his food. That lack of fear isn't good. Two other friends had separate bear encounters in the last 2 years, one camping in mammoth and one near Lake Tahoe. Both bears brazenly walked into the campsite in the middle of the day to raid the cooler, no fear of humans at all.
I carry "bear" spray for humans not bears
Yes, I have almost had to use it on humans twice. I have never had to pull it out on a bear. Crepos in the backcountry, not fun.
They don't want to give law abiding citizens an unfair advantage against criminals.
Elmer Dusty, the odds of you shooting your own eye out are greater than you ever shooting a Perp.
When did this change? Last time I went backpacking in a NP they required bear spray.
@@jasonazuma Which NP, and how long ago? The below is from 2017, but I believe that the federal law prohibiting self defense gas is many years or decades old.
www.nps.gov/elis/learn/management/upload/STLI-Prohibited-Items-1-1-17-2.pdf
Bear deterrent??? I thought it was Bare Deodorant... My bad!!!
Because California.
Only in California a Black bear kill I guy in Prescott Arizona just last year.
In essence thay are banning people from the parks outside the main roads.
Just ignore stupid government rules and do as you see fit.
That smirk came out when you started mentioning medieval weapons that were restricted... I saw it.
As a man who often falls asleep with oreo's in his pocket .. AND has thought about venturing into Bear Spray Librarys .... I can only imagine the amount of people who have this "Screw the law, Im taking it" attitude. Im not sure I blame them
I would agree that there has to be some kind of controlled way to have people protect themselves. There are always people who would abuse this policy, but, I think the majority of people would be willing to rent out the spray - if that was their only legal way of protecting themselves
Nice vid Zac....
I was thinking about all the underlying categories of weapons being banned, how much they are actually covering! We even got nuclear weapons covered in there! I didn’t see anything about microwave weapons…
I get this is not a 2nd amendment right to bear arms thing that…well puts you in danger of bear arms but it’s close enough! I’m sure the generation that invented jogging may think this is ridiculous but, someday, eventually, someone will get hurt and if someone wants to carry an extra 10oz protection device that should be all good!
Yes there will be disturbed camp site mates fighting over loud music and may be temped to improperly use, but that’s a different issue.
Thanks SteveOh!
another hipster....
Well, it’s not the first time that’s been said but it has been a while! Thanks for checking out the vid hope it was interesting :)
So directed energy weapons it is! good to know!
also does bear spray actually work or does just make it so the bear is more mad and possibly more spicy when it eats me?
I didn’t see anything about lasers…
From what I’ve seen / read the reaction a bear has to this is so instant and extreme, it must be super unpleasant to say the least.
I’ve read a couple articles about specific bears in the west that got sprayed, and avoided humans at all cost after that encounter.
You forgot words they don't like
All the grizzly’s were gone years ago, wiped out by man.
It is pretty sad to study our impact, super super careless back then.
@@zacmagershave you ever read how aggressive Sierra grizzlies were? Bears are monsters, absolute tanks of teeth and claws that eat everything, it's ok for man to get rid of monsters where we live, not make them extinct but, it is ok to save things from monsters..
Except for those in Alaska, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Washington, Alberta, British Columbia, the Yukon, and more.
@@troyrager1352
Total cap. "We" humans live everywhere, it is "us" who is encroaching on their territory. They aren't monsters bro, they are largely predictable animals driven by the instinct to survive. Instincts like hunger, territory, or defense drive every action of these creatures. The only animal in which monsters actually exist are homo sapiens, because _monsterous_ would be seeking the pain of others' as a means for personal pleasure. If humans can't seem to find a way to coexist peacefully with the rest of the animal kingdom then that is a good reason to have less humans, not the other way around.
We can't just be okay with destroying the natural world around us... since that world has provided the inspiration for nearly every technological advancement since the dawn of our species. From networking, to flying, to textiles, and even beyond-- it all comes from the clever solutions that evolution has already long found an answer for. This idea of being the apex species has gone to our head -- apex does not mean better, but rather more adaptable.
@@wdtaut5650 except this video was specifically about California …..🤣🤣🤣🤣