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Roblox is EVIL
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2023
- Coney reacts to "The Manipulative Design of Roblox" by yakkocmn and learns about the nefarious creations people make to exploit the playerbase.
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Learning that Coney has a degree in Media and Communications just as I am about to start studying it in uni is actually so surreal. It's cool to see another person who was interested in Media Studies!
Save yourself, don’t become a UA-camr like Coney
went to umbc if memory serves correct
Don't use it as inspiration, he's one of tens who made it in a field hundreds of thousands take and do nothing with.
@@AllstateManloveZero self-belief.
@@michaelkarim57yea you gotta be a commentator first
Roblox is genuinely so emblematic of how we're rapidly reaching the point where nothing can exist on the internet without increasingly hardcore and exploitative monetization.
I think it's always a case of "we could monetize this" "but should we?" "wouldn't hurt to try"
Then BAM money
Kind of like the Coney UA-cam channel
I think Coney was kinda onto something when talking about how we interface with IP in the 21st century after the birth of the Internet but I don’t know if it totally landed. Fans of IP have been telling their own stories and creating crossovers independent of their original authors for centuries. What’s changed is the ease of access and increased opportunity to share your personal creations with a receptive audience. I do think he’s spot on that the collective power of the masses has never been stronger and can now easily overpower the intention of the original IP creator.
good point. i feel like it goes hand in hand with the idea of the "death of the author," too
He was absolutely onto something, and that’s why that part transcends the rest of the video and will be something I share with people regardless of the context of everything else
I think the point he was making was in regards to the will of consumers being significantly more pronounced now than it was before, not that people haven't been remixing stories as long as we've been telling them
Taught a day camp in the summer that taught kids the basics of level creations in roblox
90% where mad that they had to learn something and where not going to play roblox all day
I love when Coney talks about media. That’s why Fact or Opinion is some of the best content, because he always has insightful views on the topic. Even if you disagree with some of the takes, it’s really refreshing to see someone talk about games in a way that’s both enthusiastic and critical, cause it’s coming from someone with a genuine passion and relatability who’s also able to get meta and look at all the interesting things surrounding media, whether it’s the creation, impact, or our consumption of it.
I completely agree, I feel like I'm in a class that I want to be in lol
I miss Fact or Opinions, definitely one of my favorite series
@@adv78surely it'll return
I'm so happy to see Coney reacting to Yakkocmn content, bros got so many banger vids and top notch editing. Love to see it!
Coney's point on media is what I call the Fortnite-tification of media and the internet.
Media is increasingly losing the original context in which that media was produced and being boiled down to pure iconography. It's like children playing make believe with their action figures.
I don't really have an opinion when it comes to whether it's a good thing or bad thing but man do I find it strange and interesting.
I really wish Coney would talk more in-depth about media and its effects. I feel like it needs more conversation
It was really interesting listening to him talk about it, I hope he can do a stream where he just talks about this kind of stuff for as long as he’s willing to go sometime.
Roblox was covered by People Play Games that talk about of how Roblox negatively impacts children. Very interesting/entertaining to watch/react to.
Yakko has got to be one of my favorite content creators along with coney, so this feels like a crossover episode and I’m all for it
It's been a while since I saw it broken down in a video but the monetisation is pretty messed up if I remember right.
The content, from cosmetics to games, is user generated. Yes, that creation can be fun or rewarding or whatever, but what Roblox essentially has is a community of developers that it doesn't really have to pay. Like yes, there's a monetisation model but it's kind of like a company town. The devs are paid in scrip (Robux).
Cashing out Robux has a wildly different return rate than what it takes to buy Robux in the first place. 100K costs $1000 but cashes out at $350. At first glance that doesn't seem too unreasonable, within the context of capitalism. The company has to be profitable, right? I'd argue that depends on whether you see Roblox as a game or as a platform. If it's the former, the ability to monetise is a nice perk. If it's the latter, Roblox owes everything it is to creators who are getting screwed.
One thing I found particularly insidious is you can't cash out until you've reached a certain amount of Robux (100K). This might be trivial detail for a serious developer or team, but in the case of the hypothetical 14 year old Coney mentioned, that's a serious hurdle to clear. In all probability you make a game that gets a bit of play, you fail to reach 100k minimum Robux cashout, and you just end up spending those Robux back into the economy. It just seems kind of shitty because the potential of monetisation is kind of the draw to create the content.
Edit: Also I've never used Roblox but from what I've heard the development tools don't translate well to other programming languages etc. I guess you can learn big picture things like what an effective gameplay loop is, but yeah, one of the apparent upsides (kids learning to code) isn't even necessarily as positive as it seems like it could be.
Edit 2: I'm 90% sure People Make Games made the video I watched.
Yeah, PMG made the video and then a follow up after Roblox asked them to take their original video down.
After seeing what Coney had to say with his media discussion, I'm sad I wasn't there for that discussion.
I do agree that with how technology and searchability have really expanded the scope of how people cater and manipulate their experiences and now they (audience) perceive characters.
I would love to hear Coney delve more into this topic.
It’s definitely interesting to see how there’s a push and pull dynamic between media and the audience now thanks to the internet, but (perhaps inevitably due to capitalism) is pervaded by manipulative tactics which leaves people who aren’t already used to these things from growing up with the internet like children and older people especially vulnerable.
It's created a world where media and the characters within it have been boiled down to pure iconography devoid of the original context in which that media and those characters existed.
It's like being a kid and playing make believe with all your favourite action figures from hugely diffrent pieces of media.
I don't know whether it's a good thing or bad thing but I do know it's interesting and strange.
Don't worry the VOD will be out in 2 years
If coney posts an entire roblox livestream I would watch all of it, its just so crazy to me actual people IN REAL LIFE play roblox games like any other game out there
Love seeing some Yakko on the coney stream, banger.
Same I hope he gets a bunch more recognition after this. I've loved his content for awhile now.
12/22/22 ...
Roblox on a surface level looks great for people and kids... until you look deeper and see how scummy it is.
Though looking past that, it is amazing some of the things that you can make in Roblox have to make you do a double take to make sure that it is Roblox with how unique you can make things look.
This is why Coney is the best React Andy. He always waits for the video to say what it has to before opening discussion with pre-meditated points.
0:42 hits me in the feels every time
This is a friendly reminder to everyone that the 12/22/2022 vod is very very soon to be released on the vods channel
I remember the roblox incident, hours into it and he hit the exit button and completley bricked the game/ruined the content LOL
12/22/22
20:45 Coney, under no circumstances do you "have to hand it to" NFTs lol
Almost didn’t watch this one cause I thought it was typical coney clickbait (which is endearing in its own way, but I try to avoid) and I’m very glad I did end up watching it. Coney actually has a lot of meaningful stuff to say; just one of many reasons I subscribed! Great video, coney
WOW! Coney making a video on Roblox is surprising, especially after the incident...
What the fuck is the incident
@@goukizeme As far as I know Coney played Roblox survivor on 12/22/22 and it didnt go as planned
@@atwistedb oh right he mentioned that at the start of the video, idk what happened fully but I appreciate the response.
this is like watching a senile old man open his eyes for the first time in 50 years
1535: I would unironically listen/watch a youtube video from this channel rambling about that topic. It's really fascinating, though it's not really a modern phenomenon per se, it's just more widespread and upfront. If you look at literature you can see similar examples of that type of media/character alteration by an individual that's not directly involved in its creation. For example, some of Arthur's knights were added/fleshed out according to the values/visions the writer adapting/transcribing the current source material; or the portrayal of the religious figures in Dante's Divine Comedy reflects his own vision/experience with said figures.
Anyway, it's really neat food for thought
I never have time to watch coney's streams, so I usually have to watch his videos what happened on 12/22/22?
Wondering this too
absolutely disastrous roblox survivor stream
15:38 ngl very good points here I didnt think about sine points like that
YO YAKKO???? CRAZIEST CROSSOVER
Seeing Yakko of all people on this channel feels like the most left field crossover episode
coney PLEASE consider playing "kaiju universe" for the roblox stream, if it ever happens, it's a pvp sandbox game based off of the godzilla franchise, I feel you'd enjoy it for a bit
Gotta do a wheel champ for Roblox games
I like the Roblox box Boss in TOTK, honestly.
i think creativity has changed. people used to think of original characters and make up their own stories. now people use a “media texture pack” on whatever it is they do. like how we describe things as being like another thing rather than describing it as its own unique thing. using the cookie cutter style of stealing other characters or whatever is very effective but not necessarily good. you lose a lot of special stuff like early half life mods that were super original but maybe a little janky. now its recycled assets and janky
Creativity hasn't changed, it has always been based in iteration an deviation. The only difference is that creative tools are far more accessible than before, and there are more avenues to show creative work.
High quality mods and creations tend to come from people with previous experience, so when more people without that experience are able to get their hands on the same tools and promote their creations in ways that weren't available before, you'd expect there to be more average things coming out.
What I was expecting: Coney plays funny haha pay-to-win Roblox game and dunks on some kids for content
What I got: An in depth analysis of how unregulated monetization and copyright infringement are encouraging aspiring game developers to extort children for their parent's money on a global scale while the company continues to expand and profit and circumvent laws at an unfathomable rate because the law doesn't want to touch the digital world and WHY IS THERE A STOCK MARKET AND WATERED DOWN NFTS AND A NEW PLACE FOR MATURE CONTENT AAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Good movie. I hope they get sued... No, I hope they get hit by the COPPA train - that'll actually do something
Fun fact: this apparent roblox vod, according to the chat, came out on 12/22/22.
The vods channel is on 12/20/22.
it is the 11th.
The roblox survivor vod is coming tomorrow.
Get ready.
11:41 ok that game is fire though
this is crazy how serious of a video this is and the discussions this is generating on CONEY's haha funny channel
I've taught at a tech camp for the last 2 summers where we have a roblox class. The class literally goes over how to make money with things like donations or items to purchase.
Coney's talk at 15:36 about how modern media IPs directly interface with real people was very interesting, and I enjoyed hearing his perspective. I wish there's been a better response from twitch chat than "I don't understand."
Maybe it's because of the editing but it didn't even feel that hard to understand. Like, what Coney is saying isn't even that wild but it's still an interesting discussion to have.
To be fair during the stream the topic went on for longer, and it was late into the night, but the majority of the chat was understanding what he was saying
I wish it was more coherent but this was a SUPER late stream, I hope people have a vague understanding of what I was trying to say because I think it's interesting
A better example would prob be Ugandan Knuckles, most gamerz know what Knuckles is supposed to act/sound like until a random guy draws him all goofy, and then ANOTHER random guy changes his voice, and now suddenly that particular Knuckles carries an entirely different meaning through a weirdly collaborative process
Yakko a classic gamer. From his league content, to his weeb content, to his anti weeb content, all good.
18:10 yeah I caught up with what you were saying Coney and yeah honestly its really weird. Its like multiple perspectives of each charactee coming to light simultaneously, really good point. I'm probably gonna be thinking about that for a few weeks lol
I never thought I'd hear coney say "post modern deconstruction of media symbols" with full intention and understanding
I literally had a convo at work earlier today with a dad asking "wtf is Roblox?"
I might have to send him this video lol
The Pokemon company took down 4 games about Pokemon on Roblox (PBB, Pkmn fighters, the one Pokemon go game, and project Pokemon)like 5 years ago, so yeah it was somewhat moderated
8:25
This is why New Super Mario Bros. 2 exist
As someone who has never spent a cent on Roblox and who only plays a few games that I enjoy that are actually good, I see this as an absolute win.
I do enjoy Combat Warriors though. I don’t know if it’s a problem, but the progression is slow, the combat is skill based, and the game is goofy.
16:00 but fanfictions existed since time immemorial
roblox out here turning children into actual hardcore businessmen doing anything to increase that profit
20:26 ok, those are limited and rare optional items. Most children who buy items with robux buy regular items, basically all of the people who trade limiteds are teenagers and young adults.
New Coney thumbnail face just dropped
If "the march of progress" is literally teaching abusive business practices and very obviously can be linked exploiting the mental health issues of or giving them to a majority of their userbase.
Then how exactly is that "progress"???
I think Shrek is the best example of what Coney was talking about RE: media as symbols. That whole "Shrek is love, Shrek is life" 4chan(?) post has completely altered what Shrek means for generations of people and I think about it a lot
1:20 that's exactly how my dad is w/ smash. "Why are you playing the same game for so long?" I think some people age themselves into a corner when it comes to enjoying/understanding new things.
edit: I call what he's describing with the Red M&M example "vague fiction". Too much of the media we consume is just a repackaged or reinterpreted version of something else. This goes for meta-analysi, reactions, reviews, fan fictions, some fangames, even some mainstream games like fortnite too. We're so obsessed with using things in the toolbox that we never add anything new. And as far as substance, it has neither the connection to the real world and/or practical utility that non-fiction does, nor the sense of creativity and/or explorative purpose and/or freedom that real fiction does, it only takes the most consummable elements of both. I think it's an unseen problem.
Is Coney's discussion on media saying, like, that "Morbin time" re-opening Morbius screenings would never have happened Then, or is it saying that if a hypothetical Morbius 2 leaned into camp and he said Morbin Time?
Mainly the second.
What I believe Coney is presenting is the idea that these days the cultural perception of a character in many ways supercedes even the original vision in how that character is understood. Almost like a collective application of Death of the Author.
You mosy clearly see this in shipping these days where the explicit text of a work can be superceded by the cultural understanding that two characters are definitely in love with each other.
It can also be seen though stuff like how the Universal Dracula film has fundementally altered the public perception of Dracula and Vampires in a way that the original novel and it's author never intended.
Most of the time it's not on such a sheer level, but those cultural ideas still spread even in smaller doses. A notable example relating to video games being Princess Daisy, whom definitely provides a blueprint of a personality in the mario games, but most of her popularity comes from the cultural idea of daisy as she's been depicted and developed by the mario fandom, as opposed to her actual depictions in the mario games.
Parts of this really remind me of my days trading hats in TF2 for real money, granted I was in college and not a young child.
Never forget the victims of 12/22/22
It's so jarring going back to Roblox every once and a while and remember what it used to be when I first found it when I was like 12. And I know this will sound really boomer-esque but I remember when the games weren't nearly as deatiled or graphically inclined but had so much more heart in them on average then they do now.
Coney, what you described at the end is what public domain is meant to support, but since none of those ips are in public domain, your red m&m fanfic could just be smiled out of nowhere like Zeus killing mortals from mount olympus. It’s a bit of an issue.
6:49 grinding that game on 4 accounts as i watch
A while back Gucci sold limited items on roblox and I was in a smuggling ring for it all and we made some big bucks there
Seriously blows my mind how you don’t have a million subs already.😭
I was literally watching coney so you know I gotta click on the new video
There are some roblox games that get hit for making money with one in particular I remember witnessing with Funky Friday, an FNF Roblox game being completely abandoned after they had a Sonic Event and were making money from the game (as I making profit from an FNF based-game when the game itself isn’t even out yet was the issue and Sega paid them to do the event)
Words can not describe how hard my jaw dropped seeing Jedi Academy accurately recreated in roblox for like 3 seconds
Good movie and good social commentary
I saw this in my subbox and I knew that Coney would FINALLY talk about what happened on the night 12/12/22. I remember everything, from Jacob trying to get you to play it, to you talking about how you need to play Mario Party Advance on How Did We Get Here, to the disaster that was Roblox Survivor.
Yeah I remember listening to it on how did we get here, thinking it would be a good idea, and then hearing the rumors of what happened that day
Does anyone know the song playing around 12:45
Always depresses me when my 10 year old nephew asks to play fortnite then wants to play clickers and tycoon games...
Coney stream plays Deathrun with the people on stream
Wow, what a horrifying movie
coney ya gotta turn up the audio on the vid ur watching🙂
My friend (who was 18 at the time) begged me to play doors with him and tbh it was fire
Doors is the only roblox thing I ever got into (aside from watching some of the miraculous stuff because I just had to see how bad it is), that game is genuinely good!
Never forget 12/22/22
I was the one who recommended this video for you to watch! Let’s goooo
roblox wheel champ would go hard
Coney should have some make him a roblox game and have it be like a gameshow that Coney has admin powers for. So he can mess with the contestants constantly!!
Coney watching a yakko video is slightly surreal
CONEY, DO A WHEELCHAMP OF ROBLOX GAMES!
Roblox seems like a REALLY good Wheel Champ game
12:13 is that altrive?
yakko is a very good content creator so dope ur giving him the spotlight ❤
12:40 what is that song, its killing me
Honestly tho, i dont think sonic speed sim is that bad. Its like the only other game besides doors that actually feels like a 'REAL' game
I dont think kids are learning anything because they don't understand there is something to learn. They're not spending their own money and they have nothing else to compare it to, so they won't understand its a "bad deal".
They don't necessarily have the tools to think "why did this happen", and "how did this happen". It's just a bad thing happened
Is this a reupload? I remember clearly watching this vid like a week ago
I’m on the oldest end of gen Z, and there was some statistic that like half my generation played Roblox. I never did myself but I don’t know how to feel about the statistic.
WAIT HE CALLED SHREK 2 BAD!? MODS CRUSH HIS SKULL!!!
As a semi adult that still plays roblox from time to time, Doors is easily one of the best games but super blocky ball is my all time favoritegenuinely one of the best racing games ive played. for shooters phantom forces is great and I really like a game called shoot out for gun game, arsenal used to be the best but they dont guarantee gun game anymore. Some obbys can be good especially if you pick a funny one. stay away from tycoons for the most part but bee swarm sim is good as well as restaurant tycoon 2 and superstore tycoon 2. If you want some fun for a little while jail break is good but dont expect much from the actual jail escaping experience
The sonic game is actually pretty fun to run around in
Did you know Pet Sim X has plush which I bought for $50 and it is peak and a crazy collectable
I highly suggest the people make games videos about Roblox, because it actually gets WORSE.
Coney please play this on stream, it would be so funny
Ayyy I love yakko!
20:46 it teaches skills- I used to buy low and sell high based off the market for madden mobile and then sell the coins to someone for money given on PayPal I made prob around 2-3k as a 12 year old back in the day when they had a market- they have since removed the auction house from the game because of people doing this lmfao
Coney please play Natural Disaster Survival, Doors, and the Maze on stream please
If you wanna play a good roblox game, when I was a kid there was Deepwoken which was a mmo-esc roguelike
The fact that Roblox has a marketplace that somehow rivals (not to scale obv) CSGO is hilarious
14:25 what’s the song playing
Bomberman Hero: Redial
@@CheeseInRealLife ty
Definitely Recommend the videos on Roblox by “people make games”, they go heavy into the bad practices by Roblox involving their younger audience
Coney x Yakko is not something I thought was possible