one thing should be clear, the return one can achieve in a year depends on the capital one manages. Up to a few millions a good trader can make far more than 20%/year, of course the higher the capital the lower the returns one can achieve and probably if one reaches 100 mil it will be very difficult to make 20% n a year but the idea remains, we should not implement the people with the idea that 20%/year is very difficult to get because it is a function of the capital. The average after many trading years might become 20%/year at some point simply because as I said the higher the capital the lower the return's the trader will achieve.
Paul, you've got a point there. Our main point is there is a given threshold beyond which every incremental unit of return comes at the expense of too much risk. As long as you realise that you're better off raising share capital (investor capital) instead of debt capital (trading on borrowed leverage) before taking excess risk, we're all agreed. Which is another of saying that you're far better off charging 20% from investors who risk their own capital than you are borrowing and having to pay back any losses on borrowed capital. The 20% vs. 30% or whatever hurdle return is a bit of a red herring in this context. Whether you make 20%, or even 40% a year on a sustained basis, you're still trading pea-nuts to make pea-nuts. And raising 10% the sustained return changes very little in that equation. What the maximum possible return is remains to be seen - it would please me a lot to see you beat 20% sustained yearly return on 10% monthly VaR - but if you look at the best DARWINs, that seems to be the number.....
Trading is a risk game, one that can AND WILL, if you know what you are doing, get the trader relatively rich, or shall I say out of the "rat race" very fast, the average paycheck for most people is less than 5K/month anywhere in the world, a good trader makes far more than that with "peanuts" capital, peanuts meaning here probably less than 200K. The business can not be made or categorized in to the safe investments under no circumstance no matter how much mathematics we are using, there will be risk, it is a business far more profitable than any other business around but at the account of a higher risk and that is normal. I believe a good trader can make not 40% but >100%/year consistently IF the capital he is using remains stable so he/she can milk the market and basically have unlimited cash. Quite frankly I believe a smart trader would invest in your darwins while milking money out of the market in the same time but I repeat the threshold you are using - 20% is ok only from a large investor point of view. People with 50K should understand that a good trader is able to double that in less than a year without doubt. In the end its a matter of taste and the risk one is willing to assume, as all disclaimers say "only risk capital should be used in trading". The Darwins though might even skip that part because you are going on the path of providing safe investments which is ok but it does not fall in to the category of what trading really is so as long as people understand that the difference between what a trader can provide (for themselves for that matter or for anyone interested) and what a relatively safe investment vehicle, like the Darwins, can provide is huge is ok. Now, of course people should not assume that they can be what I`ve called "a good trader" the game is without doubt a very difficult one and very few are actually good traders. One of the good traders I know is Darwinex
I think it would be great to see the exact amount of the traders equity rather than > $ 10,000.00 The reason is that i do not feel comfortable to invest on a DARWIN with only $11.000 and $3MIL+ investor money. It raises some questions in my mind. Let me explain this with an example. The trader might take risky and inappropriate trades just to take a piece of the possible success fee. In other words trader might have an incentive to gamble and lose $500 just to get a %1 gain of the 3MIL+ which is equal to $6.000 performance fee. It would make me more confident when i see that traders own money is also on the table. This might not seem a big deal to you guys right now but with the growth rate that you have it will probably be in the near future. A limit like max. 1MIL+ investor money for $10.000 trader money, 2MIL+ invester money for $20.000 so on and so forth might be a solution also. Thanks.
Thanks for a pretty good suggestion. Note that we won't be in a position to disclose user's specific equity to protect their privacy. Having said that, please note that we've passed this on to the team, >10.000 is probably too vague an indication, especially as things grow. Keep the feedback coming!
Check out the "underlying strategy" tab for www.darwinex.com/darwin/THA.4.12 (who doesn't hide the trades) and www.darwinex.com/darwin/LVS.4.20# (who does). You'll find you won't see LVS' historical trades. Please reach out to info@darwinex.com or check the FAQ to figure out how to hide your trades, if you wish to
Why is this not on top of the channel? great pitch!
one thing should be clear, the return one can achieve in a year depends on the capital one manages. Up to a few millions a good trader can make far more than 20%/year, of course the higher the capital the lower the returns one can achieve and probably if one reaches 100 mil it will be very difficult to make 20% n a year but the idea remains, we should not implement the people with the idea that 20%/year is very difficult to get because it is a function of the capital. The average after many trading years might become 20%/year at some point simply because as I said the higher the capital the lower the return's the trader will achieve.
Paul, you've got a point there. Our main point is there is a given threshold beyond which every incremental unit of return comes at the expense of too much risk. As long as you realise that you're better off raising share capital (investor capital) instead of debt capital (trading on borrowed leverage) before taking excess risk, we're all agreed. Which is another of saying that you're far better off charging 20% from investors who risk their own capital than you are borrowing and having to pay back any losses on borrowed capital. The 20% vs. 30% or whatever hurdle return is a bit of a red herring in this context. Whether you make 20%, or even 40% a year on a sustained basis, you're still trading pea-nuts to make pea-nuts. And raising 10% the sustained return changes very little in that equation. What the maximum possible return is remains to be seen - it would please me a lot to see you beat 20% sustained yearly return on 10% monthly VaR - but if you look at the best DARWINs, that seems to be the number.....
Trading is a risk game, one that can AND WILL, if you know what you are doing, get the trader relatively rich, or shall I say out of the "rat race" very fast, the average paycheck for most people is less than 5K/month anywhere in the world, a good trader makes far more than that with "peanuts" capital, peanuts meaning here probably less than 200K. The business can not be made or categorized in to the safe investments under no circumstance no matter how much mathematics we are using, there will be risk, it is a business far more profitable than any other business around but at the account of a higher risk and that is normal. I believe a good trader can make not 40% but >100%/year consistently IF the capital he is using remains stable so he/she can milk the market and basically have unlimited cash. Quite frankly I believe a smart trader would invest in your darwins while milking money out of the market in the same time but I repeat the threshold you are using - 20% is ok only from a large investor point of view. People with 50K should understand that a good trader is able to double that in less than a year without doubt. In the end its a matter of taste and the risk one is willing to assume, as all disclaimers say "only risk capital should be used in trading". The Darwins though might even skip that part because you are going on the path of providing safe investments which is ok but it does not fall in to the category of what trading really is so as long as people understand that the difference between what a trader can provide (for themselves for that matter or for anyone interested) and what a relatively safe investment vehicle, like the Darwins, can provide is huge is ok. Now, of course people should not assume that they can be what I`ve called "a good trader" the game is without doubt a very difficult one and very few are actually good traders. One of the good traders I know is Darwinex
I think it would be great to see the exact amount of the traders equity rather than > $ 10,000.00 The reason is that i do not feel comfortable to invest on a DARWIN with only $11.000 and $3MIL+ investor money. It raises some questions in my mind. Let me explain this with an example. The trader might take risky and inappropriate trades just to take a piece of the possible success fee. In other words trader might have an incentive to gamble and lose $500 just to get a %1 gain of the 3MIL+ which is equal to $6.000 performance fee. It would make me more confident when i see that traders own money is also on the table. This might not seem a big deal to you guys right now but with the growth rate that you have it will probably be in the near future. A limit like max. 1MIL+ investor money for $10.000 trader money, 2MIL+ invester money for $20.000 so on and so forth might be a solution also. Thanks.
Thanks for a pretty good suggestion. Note that we won't be in a position to disclose user's specific equity to protect their privacy. Having said that, please note that we've passed this on to the team, >10.000 is probably too vague an indication, especially as things grow. Keep the feedback coming!
Deberían de hacerlo un poco más corto o por partes jej
how exactly do you hide the trades? i couldn't find it on the website
Check out the "underlying strategy" tab for www.darwinex.com/darwin/THA.4.12 (who doesn't hide the trades) and www.darwinex.com/darwin/LVS.4.20# (who does). You'll find you won't see LVS' historical trades. Please reach out to info@darwinex.com or check the FAQ to figure out how to hide your trades, if you wish to
The link mentioned in the webinar: www.integracore.io/dwx/pamm.vs.darwin.calculator.php
Thanks a bunch Parm!