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I don't like the half wedding thing either, but in my experience it's usually not that you're allowed at the wedding, but not the party, it's usually the other way around I think. The wedding usually is a smaller affair, less room, more emotional, so more for close friend and family, and then afterwards you party with everyone.
Mostly city hall only allows a certain amount of people
I agree, the party is for everyone, the ceremony just for the "intimi". Same with funerals sometimes, the service is for more people than the actual burial.
The main thing is that dinner is expensive. Buying dinner for lots of people costs a lot, so dinner is generally only for close family and friends. But if there's a church service, that's generally open to anyone. But going to the service/ceremony and also to the party in the evening, but not to dinner is definitely weird. Just pick one or the other.
Yes
in the evening you often also invite colleagues, and aunts and uncles and other family you barely see.
Ten years ago I lost my job because the company went bankrupt. I had to find another job as soon as possible. I applied at a construction company for an technical office job. They wanted me/choose me, but offered me a term contract for 1 year. I asked why, because they choose me for the job. They said because they didn’t know how my work ethics were. I said I only want a fixed contract, but I would agree to a probation time of two months. That would take away their fears and give me security/certainty of getting a fixed contract. You don’t have to accept every offer an employer gives you, you can negotiate to a solution that both parties can agree on. Even when you’re in a rush because you don’t have a job anymore, like my situation. I still work there by the way.
In the Netherlands, the 'protection' of workers sometimes is so extensive, that the employer is not allowed (by law or collective agreement) to give you any probation time when offering a permanent contract or even a temporary contract.
@@mrocd3681 Only with temporary contracts up to 6months it is not allowed by law. With temporary contract from 6 months up to 2years, a probation period of 1 or 2 months is possible by law, unless the collective labor agreement prohibits this. With fixed contracts it is always allowed. All probation periods must be written down in your labor contract, an oral agreement is prohibited and therefore not binding by law.
Fun fact: the underground garbage containers have sensors in them to tell the municipality when to empty them, and when the municipal IT is working, the garbage trucks get custom collection routes every day.
Not all have that, only the fancy ones
The wedding part is actually quite logical. After the ceremony the bride and groom want to have a calm dinner with their close family members. It’s an intimate moment for the family and the newly weds
logical? who wants a calm dinner??? in my side of the world everybody wants a big wedding party!!!
Nah , the only reason is that invited guest will donate a present ... pure greed ;p
@@tech4u2022 Idiot, you have no clue.
@@tech4u2022us Dutchies don’t do as big gift as a lot of other countries do.
Ever since physical mail declined in volume after email became the preferred method, keeping dedicated post offices was too expensive. So now shops double as post offices.
Shops but also random houses where people get a few cents a package!
@@wouter913 That I didn't know...
People also become post offices for their neighbours, if they're not in to receive a package...
But now because of internet shopping the volume of packages has become so big that the small shops can't handle it anymore and for the same reason rent of commercial real estate has dropped, so recently PostNL reopened a post office here in the densely populated Jordaan in Amsterdam, which is more like a warehouse for packages where you also happen to be able to buy stamps.
@@MartijnterHaar The volume of small packages a mailman gets, mixed in with the regular mail, is ever-increasing. I know that from experience. It costs a lot of time when people aren't at home, and there aren't any neighbors, either, to help out, and you have to bring the package(s) to a retailer. Comfort and ease cost stress and hassle...
@@MartijnterHaar Didn't know that! Where is this post office exactly?
In the Netherlands they closed all postoffices from 2008 till 2013.You have to go to whoever wants it to do.Shops, restaurants etc.
Not completely correct nor wrong. There are so called PostNL postkantoren or pakketpunten. Most of such offices are a shop in a shop.
On the day of a marriage, the dinner-part is usually reserved for the innercircle of the bride and groom
Wedding thing is because the ceremony is only for close friends, the party is for the family and friends. The party is also where the food is so it is just 2 parts. One part is the ceremony for close friends/inner circle in te morning, than wedding pictures where onlt the couple is there, than the party is for friends family and coworkers.
@@MushroomNr1 hmmm okay
And if you are invited to the wedding of a not so close friend, you don't need to take a full day off because you can just join in the evening.
And you don't have a bunch of impatient kids at a "boring" ceremony ;)
@@suzan6254 yup!
The wedding thing is more a: "I want to include you as well" kinda thing I feel. People like distant friends, colleagues etc get to be included in this big thing, but when the couple wants to calm down a bit and have this intimate time with friends and family they can. Best of Both worlds🤷🏽♂️
In our town, we have a combination of underground containers and bins. The bins are for: garden and food waste, one for plastics and one for paper. The underground bins are for “gray” waste. You need a speciale pass for using those. What I like about the underground containers in our town is that they also have a separate small lid for dog plop bags and small waste you don’t want to carry “all the way home”, like candy rappers etc.
BTW: I've never seen that someone is invited to 2 parts out of 3 for a wedding. It's usually just the official part and the party part AFAIK. And as a guest I don't think I mind not being invited for the intimate party part if I just vaguely know the couple, but well enough to attend the official ceremony
It's the other way around most of the time. You're invited to the party, but you're not invited to the ceremony possibly the dinner.
I have a huge family (I mean, REALLY HUGE). We invited them all for the official part, because well…, family. But I (and my wife agreed on it) didn’t want to arrange a party for all of them and hire a stupid party band, playing stupid music to please everybody but myself. I’ve been invited for these type of parties a lot and to me this is like a living nightmare. I hate these parties. So…, NOT ON MY WEDDING! 😬
Instead we invited all of our friends to party with. We had a great time. I know this not the same for everyone, but family is family and friends are friends and somehow they don’t really overlap. I don’t dislike my family, but family and friends are like two completely different worlds, people from two totally different entities.
Nobody had a problem with it. And off course my sister was with me the whole day, because she was my best friend.
@@mariodriessen9740 It's your wedding, your party. I think you can do whatever the fuck you want. Such a stupid concept that you have to please everyone on your own big day.
@@jsmit9484 : Indeed. 😊👍
By the way, the marriage itself was the worst idea in my life. 😬
@@mariodriessen9740 Hahaha, sorry to hear that.
Two friends of mine married three years ago and I was invited to the reception (party after the ceremony). It was of course due to money (a lot of Dutch don't feel the need to have a big expensive wedding like you see in America) but also due to that in this manner they could celebrate with more people.
The place where the ceremony was held couldn't possibly have all the people in it and they both have large families. I had absolutely no problem with not being there for the ceremony part, because I know it will hold more meaning for the direct family, rather than friends like me.
I was honestly quite happy to have skipped that and still be there afterwards. I could still drink to their happiness with them and take photo's together for future memories.
the wedding thing allows you to invite more guests to celebrate with without having all kinds of random barely connected people around you all day. my mother invited a old lady that she used to clean for for example. so i like it.
i agree with the gift thing. it's silly. except the pie. i want to buy my own dangit.
you are probably not aware unless you are Philippino that dangit is a national Philippino food they love and I hate (I'm married to a Philippina who loves it). It's a little fish that looks like a piranha, it's completely dried and everything in it is dried up. When they fry it I'm sure it's on the list of the United Nations forbidden chemical warfare list... It stinks like high heaven and it tastes even worse... but they love it.... let's see if Google has an article with pictures about it...
@@EagleOneM1953I remember a Filipino friend’s husband once saying about the wife “she loves stinky food, the stinkier it is the better she likes it” hahaha!! 😂
Well, I like a lot of their food but they have some soups that are quite sharp and on top they add fish sauce to it which is like a vinegar but made from fish... I don't like it but I like fish. But like I said that danger is horrible while cooking and should be on the lisdty of banned chemical warfare products according to the Geneva Convention. They do have fish that I like though so it's not all bad... On the contrary.. And I could get used to rice three times a day...@@LilyAmongThorns
I think you don't understand the wedding thing correctly. Having dinner with only your closest relatives is a way of celebrating a part of your wedding exclusively with your dearest ones, validating and appreciating them in that way and to have a moment of rest from all the festivities. For me it was a very welcome and calm moment for reflection and for charging my energy, because all those people can be very overwhelming and being sensitive to energies I easily get people fatigued.
I like your view on the things that are normal for us, such as the absurdity of bringing a present when you go to congratulate someone on their birthday. You are absolutely right there and it took me your view to se it this way.
The wedding thing is most likely people who go to the ceremony are most close, direct family, best friends etc, dinner is for all the family and friends, and the end party is for everyone you know, "open bars" most likely only give beer and wine (also coffee and tea ofcourse) but ive been to these kinds of Weddings.
The different wedding parts are also a neat way to separate social circles, you can invite your employer without fearing certain unconventional friends will be met. It can also seperate the formal from the informal, and have a different vibe or crowd present
We used to have post-offices, but PostNL or TNT ebolished them years ago, to cut costs
I've worked for the royal Dutch mail from 1998 to 2008. All post offices were closed, and all post agencies were outsourced to other companies that had stores throughout NL. Like Bruna, Primera, The Read Shop, Staples, and some supermarkets too. That is why the 'post offices' at these stores are not like real post offices, they're only post agencies.
The Post office company that used to exist (Postkantoren BV) was a joint venture of the PTT (Dutch royal mail, now PostNL) and the Postbank (now absorbed into ING).
We used to have post offices... And we miss them very much!
yes, I agree. I feel there should be at least 1 postoffice per town but I do like it is not THE ONLY place anymore where one can go for stamps and mail deliveries.
8:25 "I feel like gifts for birthdays are more for children because it's fun and nice."
Imho It's fun and nice no matter the age. It doesn't even have to be something fancy or elaborate. In a broader sense it's to show you care enough to go out and find something they'd like. (I'm a model builder, and got 2 bargain bin aircraft models from a friend. Cheap but nice.)
Speaking of which, showing up and going: "my presence is the gift" is really cheap, and will come across as arrogance.
As for the post, it used to be state owned, with it's own banking service. but then, in the '90's, someone convinced people that it would work better if it was commercialised, and since then it has been in decline.
Needless to say some people will tell you they don't need a gift, but even then it's common to give them at least something small or bring something to eat/drink with you
Yes, not bringing a gift would be considered rude. No one will say anything but it will be remembered
I'm a Dutch native and I hate the forced act of gift giving. My friends know I dont gift gifts to celebrate having survived another year. When I do see something they may like I will get it for them and surprise them at a random time.
Unfortunately I cant get this in my head of my family so I still have to gift gifts to them when they survived another year.
hahahahah weeeer een jaar overleefd.... Top argument... Zo heb ik het nog nooit bekeken.. Kadootje geef ik nooit, ik ben het kado. Ik word nooit uitgenodigd, zou het daar door komen? Whhaaaaahahahahahahaha
surviving is haaard so well worth a gift🤷♂️
Lol ik zou dat echt niet kunnen maken
Cadeautjes zijn voor kinderen. Voor volwassenen koop ik niks.
@@jos_t_band3912 goedkoop
About the rubbish collection... where I live (Harderwijk suburb) it's still collected door to door. You have to place the bins by the side of the road and next to each other though. The vuilniswagen has an arm that picks up two bins at the same time. Its also collected separately (paper, bio and the rest in a third bin)
In Tilburg it's exactly the same
No ethics and no conscience, makes Holland a shithole where traffic laws are a big joke! Are you freaks drunk?
@@martinkent333 troll
Exactly the same in Arnhem
How much do you have to pay for your bins to be taken? And is it a monthly payment or a weekly payment?
We do have 'bin-days in city's. Wednesday is 'bin-day' in Den Haag Bezuidenhout. We don't have ORAC's everywhere in Den Haag.
The wedding thing makes sense to me.
All the weddings I went to it was like this:
The party is accessible for everyone, the ceremony is accessible to close family and friends. Who is invited to the dinner varies a lot. People who live on the other side of the country do get invited for dinner, best man, bridesmaid and direct family (grandparents, parents, siblings + their kids).
Though all the weddings I went to are from people with huge families (think 28 aunt/uncles + each 3 kids or more, all with their own dietary restrictions and all living closeby). As bride and groom it's your day and limiting the amount of people during dinner makes it a bit more relaxed for them, it also allows the people "that have to go somewhere else" to go home, relax a bit. A wedding is very tiring for everyone around, so being allowed to not be there for the full thing is quite nice.
The only time I have seen all invitees invited to the ceremony, dinner and party is when it was all hosted in one place, but most weddings I went to had the ceremony in Town A, dinner in Town B, and the Ceremony in Town C.
For birthdays you usually bring a birthday card with some money in it. Or you can bring a gift if you know something someone really wants or needs.
Here we do have bin days, collection points are only present in certain parts of the Netherlands
I never realized the fact about the waste collection points. Post offices were abolished everywhere. Nowadays you can just go to whatever shop wants to have a postal service center.
Many cities still do have bin days, but many are changing to those central collection points. Some have changed to the central collection for general waste, but still have bin days for natural waste, plastic and/or paper.
Totally agree with the weird gift thing. As a family we stopped doing this ages ago. Only children gets presents.
Giving someone a gift or at least a card shows you care to take some time and think of what would make someone happy. It doesn't have to be big but it's just one of the things that makes you feel a little more cared about, especially if it's thoughtful.
I agree that people getting mad or upset about not recieving a gift is a bit childish. But recieving gifts and opening wrappers for me is still a lot of fun. In my opinion not something that should be dictated as 'only fun for children'.
Very interesting to learn about the culture differences though :) nice video!
There are bin days in a lot of cities. Collection points aren't the norm. In the south of the Netherlands wedding invitations are based on your relations to your guests. Close relatives and friends are invited for the entire day; ceremony, dinner, reception and party. Coworkers, acquaintances, neighbors and\or more distant relatives are only invited to reception and party.
1. We do have Bin days in cities too. If you have a garden, you have a calander when your bin gets collected, you have to bring your bin (Grey or green (Fruit, vegies and garden disposals)) to a central place in your street where it gets emptied. The diftar system (the system you talk about) is usually in the neighbourhood of flats. 3. In the Netherlands poeple get payed either monthley or per 4 weeks.
How funny, I’m from the netherlands myself but i have been living in Melbourne for about 2 years now. Funny to hear the differences from someone on the opposite site!
about the wedding thing, i am a dutch navite and the dinner after the ceremony is basically a moment for the closest family eats together to let it settle in and have an intimate moment. usually the people you eat with are like your parents and like either sides siblings and at most the kids from these siblings. as for dutch people we usually dont do massive parties in general so what i saw with my aunties wedding was that the ceremony was very overwhelming so they take that meal to settle down. also in the netherlands its rather hard to get the catering and location for big dinner parties most restaurants dont allow for bigger then 15-20 people for a dinner party.
Garbage bins are still around in the Netherlands, but you are right that most large cities do not have them and have arranged these collection points. I myself live in Enschede (ca. 160,000 people) and here it's mixed. People in the city centre only have collection points, and when you live a bit out of the city centre there is a mix happening. High rise/flats make use of collection points and 'regular' houses have their own bins. And this adds up, so that means they have a green bin for food/garden trash, orange for plastic, blue for paper and gray bin for everything else. Glass can be brought to the collection points.
The post office was around until about 8-10 years ago. Slowly but steadily the use of a specific building just for postage services declined and the government decided to shut them down over a period of about 5 years. Then indeed already existing companies like book stores, office supply stores, food markets etc. took on this task and became so called 'Service Points'. To be honest, I like it the way it is since I do not have to go to 1 post office anymore but actually have the luxury of having dozens upon dozens of service points through out the city to send packages from or options of having my packages delivered to if need be.
I live in a Dutch village where flats have collective garbage containers and houses with gardens have their own garbage containers which are collected on a certain day of the week. So it depends on where you live and combinations are possible. The containers now have keys so it's impossible to oversleep and then stuff your garbage in a collective bin;-).
They closed all the dedicated post office to safe money. People used them less and less. And after privatizing the post service, they looked at ways to safe money. So they closed all the post offices and now pay a little amount to small shops to provide post office services.
Interesting thing about the half wedding. I really like it. I was able to go to the party of two of my coworkers otherwise they would have just not invited me. They are not my (close) friends, so I understand why they don't want to buy an expensive meal for me.
I am 31. I still really like getting presents for my birthday!
The rubbish collecting.... I live in Tilburg, a fairly large city, and here we have our own private container which is collected every week from door to door. We are expected to place our containers more or less together with the others though (as much as is possible). So not every Dutch city has a system like you described!
About contracts, yes this is something that has changed over the years. When I was young (long time ago) you got a half year contract to start with, after that half year it became either a permanent one, or you were to leave. A temporary contract couldn't be renewed in another temporary one. So much better than as it is now
Traffic laws only work on ethical, conscientious people - not the Dutch. Why is that? Terror lives in your hearts? Drunkallthetime?
A lawless country who prides itself, is still a slimy shit hole, where child safety is replaced by terror and white knuckle parenting! YOU SHINE!!! A shithole is a happy place? How low do you go?
the rubbish collecting works like this also in amsterdam
Usually the trash collection points are near flats/apartment blocks. "normal" houses or "rijtjeshuizen" tend to use the private containers. I also live in Tilburg and I've had both.
@@franklinnartz1381 True. But normal houses indeed do have their own bins that are collected regarlarly.
Post office is soooo 1980's. We used to have them, maybe even into the 90's, but i can't remember even going there at least 3 decades.
number 2 used to be different until quite recently. At least during my lifetime, I'm 33, they had "dedicated post-offices". Only recently did they decide to fuse with these different shops like Bruna.
In my wedding we had an public part and a private one. The first part was also for our 1.000 colleges from work... we coult offer them all a meal.
you mean you could NOT offer all those colleagues a meal. In Canada we had to pay for our drinks at the dance (het feest). This is quite standard, as we discovered.
We do have bin days, even in The Hague: it depends on the area you're in. I'm in Bezuidenhout: bin day is Wednesday. We can put our rubbish out from 11pm the previous night, and it's cleared away by 9am. And, to frustrate the gulls, we can obtain special yellow bin bags (sturdier than the grey kind you'll find in supermarkets) from the stadsdeelkantoor for free. Now onto the subject of birthday presents for adults: no, you are not obliged to bring a gift. But a bouquet of flowers is pretty standard. There is a cap to temporary contracts: after 3 (with the same employer), they are obliged to either offer you a permanent one, or let you go. Most employers these days choose the latter.
Dutch suburbs have bin days. The collection points are mostly used for apartments.
I am not sure about Australia, but in The Netherlands everything changed when the Postal Service was privatized. I am not sure If you know the history of the PTT. The P stood for the Postal service, T's for Phone service and Telecommunication. The break-up made these separate private entities.
8:00 the present thing is actually more than just gifting that person something. I don’t know if all Dutch people are aware off why it exists but here is the reason: in industrial times the Dutch were at an all time low regarding financials. In that time they concluded that if you give a party it costs a lot of money and you are paying for other people eating and drinking. Because of the financial distress people begun asking the invited people to bring useful stuff as repayment of this cost. In this way people could celebrate but in the netto financials they did not lose much. This is also the reason why most presents given are still useful things or otherwise alcoholic beverages that the person themselves would consume. I don’t think most Dutch people are even aware of the reasoning and do it out of tradition, they definitely don’t break even with the cost anymore, but that’s where it comes from
The distance from your house to the waist container is max 75 meters. This can be extended to 125 meters if there is no other option.The last dedicated postoffice closed in 2018.
As recently as 1 or 2 decades ago, there were post offices, but they have been gradually disappearing in favour of the stores you describe which double as post offices.
I have never heard of someone being invited to the wedding in church and to the party, but not to the dinner in between. You are invited for either everything (wedding/dinner/party) or just the party ("bruiloft"). And the latter is not only to cut costs, but also for practical reasons, because not everybody may fit in the church or the restaurant you selected. So usually only family and closest friends are invited for the whole day, and other people/neighbours/colleagues are invited for the party. But I have experienced it the opposite way as well: me and my colleagues were invited for the wedding in church of another colleague, but we were not invited for the rest of the day. So we went to the wedding, and then back home. But we don't know his family anyway, so it was ok, and at the same time it was great that he wanted to share this personal thing in church with his closest colleagues.
About the weddings: I once went to a wedding where I wasn't invited to the ceremony, only the party afterwards.
This was because the bride had a really big family, and she couldn't possibly invite them all to the ceremony. So she had a smaller ceremony, while all of her aunts, uncles, and cousins could attend the party. It was my mom's cousin, so I was only invited partially.
Back when PostNL was called PTT Post, there were post offices. They all just disappeared over time
I live in a smaller city in the Netherlands, and we still have collection day's for the bin. I think this is exclusively for bigger city's
I live in the center of Utrecht (Oudegracht) and we also have garbage days. So it's not even just a city thing.
I live in a smaller city as well, for most houses there is a garbage day, but for denser places, like flats, there will be local collection.
It's only for flats.
dedicated post offices used to exist until ten or twenty years ago. It also used to be a state service until the post service got 'privatised' (geprivatiseerd)
In The Hague there are still neighbourhoods that have bin days. On the other hand, ORACs also exist in smaller municipalities.
We used to have post offices, but they were closed after the post was "privatized", so instead of a service it became a "business model" with ceo's who must be grossly overpaid. So overhead costs, like post offices, were eliminated.
The weddingceremony in church is within the community (of the church). Diner with family and best friends. Reception and party for all guest.
At my wedding we had guests for the full day (close family and friends), some just for the reception (people from work and just people we know but don't spend a lot of time with) the dinner with the full day guests and then party with people both from the full day and other family and friends. We didn't had 2/3 guests but we didn't buy 250 people dinner and drinks all day
Regarding weddings: they are quite massive celebrations. I've always perceived the dinner as somewhat of a breather for the bride and groom, like a little moment to reflect and to spend some quality time with their close family and friends, in between all the chaos. So I don't perceive it as rude - it's still perfectly normal to not invite all guests to all parts of the wedding in The Netherlands.
The last post office in the Netherlands (in Utrecht, at Neude) was closed on 28-10-2011.
In 2008 'they' started to close all offical 'Post-offices. 'Convience-daily-bookstores' like Bruna and Primera (all over the country) 'took over'. This proces was done at 2011 I believe. The every-day-mail-delivery, is still what it was ('TNT-Post'). Packages: all goes by the known couriers like DHL and the official Post-delivery-service (just like our normal post) but than focused on packages.
When not at home for a package-delivery: package is drop at neighbours or local drop point, such as supermarkets. * I think the very last official Post-office was closed in 2018 in Den Haag
There used to be post offices there were slowly less and less and now there are none or close to none. The lack of them is a cost-saving measure because it is privatised here. If you are invited for the actual wedding you should be for everyone but some of them can invite you for the reception/party after. Gifts on birthday depends on the culture within the Netherlands.
15 to 20 years back we had post offices they are all gone, now we have small post offices integrated in small stores.
we had dedicated post offices like 20 years back or so, i remember extremely grumpy bored people working there and never ever was anything the post offices fault, and i remember that quite a lot of valuable post went "missing"" too, and ofc that was your or the senders fault..
For the parts, you would expect acquaintances to attend either the reception or an evening party, but not both parts. Close friends and family would be there most of the day. But it isn't really about not providing food in between sessions.
About the weddings, most of the time the afternoon-part is called the 'receptie' and is mostly for just family and includes like little performances for and about the couple by these guests and the diner. in the evenings is the party and then also friends, colleagues, teammates ect. are invited.
Banks are closing as well just as the post office have. They say it's personal service too expensive which it's not. Of course service costs money but I think that is a crucial part of business. The stockholders disagree. They only want to maximise their profits. 'De klant is koning' is long gone.
If you are computer illiterate, your lost.
Wel erg kort door de bocht. Volgens mij heeft het meet met efficiency te maken. En zeker metbanken alles gaat via de app. Wel zo veilig en makkelijk. Wat moet ik op een bak of postkantoor doen? Als ik iets met mn bank wil kan ik bellen email of zelf met zoom in contact komen, en op de tijd dat IK wil! Maar er zijn altijd mensen die er niet aan kunnen wennen, vaak zegt dat ook iets voor de geestelijk leeftijd van die personen.
Yep.There is no law stating everyone is must have a bank account, email adress, iphone etc,etc .However you can't function in society without them anymore.
@@erwingobee3890 Misschien zijn er mensen die 70 jaar of ouder zijn. Dat jij alles met internet kan zegt niet dat iedereen dat kan doen. Bel je een bank (wat soms moet) dan kan het meer dan een kwatier duren voordat je aan de beurt bent.
@@erwingobee3890 Niet iedereen is zo intelligent en bij de tijd als jij.
Wanneer jij 90 bent zul jij het ook niet meer snappen.
@@erwingobee3890 das waar
We used to have post offices in NL but with email becoming a thing and privatisation of the mail the postoffices mostley got disbanded. In Den Haag there still is the Old post-Office with a Mural from Mesdag (the geese becoming fish is the most well known part) definetly worth a visit.
I'm dutch but didn't know people did it that way round with weddings, as far as I know it's more the other way around that they invite more guests to the dinner and party than to the reception. I've been to a few wedding parties where the dinner and party were always one event but never been to a reception.
Also, birthday gifts are nice! It's a way to show you care and it's fun!
Mostly at weddings the ceremony is for close friends and family … dinner is the time to share some more time with close family and or friends so you have some time to chill with them instead of all the formal stuff and the party is for everyone to come
The editing on your videos keep surprising me every time. Such a nice added bonus.
I just love hearing you talk about our country, thanks Casey!
I live in a smaller city and we DO have bin days. Every Thursday.
Postkantoor:
Op 14 november 2018 sloot PostNL het allerlaatste postkantoor aan het Kerkplein in Den Haag.
I am born and raised in Brussels, Belgium. I always have been invited to either Spanish, Italien or Greek, Moroccan weddings and there was never any misunderstanding: everyone is invited to the whole thing. Until 5 years, I got invited to a Belgian wedding (French-speakers, not Flemish). Well, until I arrived, I did not understand because obviously the invitation did not insist on what the guest misses. I could go the the church ceremony in the morning but not to the dinner while I could very well go to the evening party. It really felt awkward ! Lesson learned, though ! :-)
Trouwerijen in het stadhuis en in de kerk zijn vrij toegankelijk. Daar is geen uitnodiging voor nodig. Soms wordt er een receptie gehouden, bedoeld voor iedereen die de bruid en/of de bruidegom kent. Maaltijd en feest is voor uitgenodigde gasten, waarbij de maaltijd voor intimi is bedoeld. Daar geldt dus meestal een speciale uitnodiging voor. Het geven van een cadeau is niet verplicht, maar wel gebruikelijk. Tenminste... zo was het bij mijn trouwerij bijna vijftig jaar geleden.
Post offices went away not long after the merger with TNT in the 90s if I recall correctly. The Post office was a bank and telecom office in the past too. The Postbank now merged with ING. The telecom business became KPN. The original mother company was called PTT, Post, Telegraaf, Telefoon.
Regarding the wedding, I kept it small because I hate large crowds. Yes we had lunch with family and then dinner with friends and family.
I love the way you talk so highly about The Netherlands and I love the positivity! :)
In our familie we don't give packages to adults. In other families they still do. Ask about it. But there are more moments to give someome a present. Just when you like somebody.
For the record, Utrecht has bin days. We have the collection points, just not general grey waste. So it’s not true of all cities.
In the inner city, where streets are really tight, I think they collect every day and as such they can use fairly small trucks for it.
Re: post offices, we used to have real ones - the big ones in the big cities are now shopping malls or libraries (see also the Old Post Office in Washington DC, that used to be nice until the recently former President got his hands on it), smaller ones are cafes or supermarkets or the one near me is now a dental practice… back in the day there were post offices, for real post office business, and postagentschappen, which were in the news agents etc. and where you could do such things as buy stamps and other smaller things. Those could do more and more, and when they moved the package collection service to the postagentschappen (necessary because there were more and more packages being sent because internet and more and more of them weren’t accepted during the day’s delivery attempts (because feminism, more or less)), the days of the big post offices were numbered. At first they just closed the small local post offices (like that dental clinic near me), but in November 2011 the last post office in the Netherlands closed its doors for the last time - on the Neude in Utrecht, now a library.
So then they renamed all the postagentschappen to post office and also there’s like ten times as many as there used to be. It’s a competitive marketplace - one of the ones near me moved from the local news agent to the local Plus supermarket 100 meters away, and the newsagent is not happy about it.
I am dutch and have worked for 35 years now, sometimes on permanent contracts, sometimes on limited ones. A lot of companies have a pollicy of keeping 25% to 30% on temporary contract, so they can easily downscale their workforce if needed. If you don't do that, it may bankrupt you because of all the obligations you have as a employer. Someone I know was nearly bankrupted this way.
Love your channel, I'm going to be moving to Amsterdam so really love the content
Rotterdam here: in my street we do have bin-day (kliko). Has been for over 25 years, where I live now. For specific waste (building material, panes of glass, chemical stuff, paint, electric appliances) you go to the dump, or milieu-straat. For large objects like furniture, carpet, washing machine, you make an appointment, and the municipality has it collected from the street in front of your house.
I used to work in an art suplies-and-bookstore that also fuctioned as a post office and coffee house
The wedding thing is indeed weird. Few years back my niece got married...my parents were invited for the whole day, but i had to leave during dinner, forcing me to eat somewhere alone (went to mc donalds) and come back few hours later when the party started. Well, you know your place when something like that happens lol...
In smaller citys you actually have garbage container days! It is for recycling paper, plastic and green garbage. In bigger cities there is no room for a lot of containers so they have underground containers. In some streets you have a grey container, in other streets you have underground containers. Its different in every city!
As for the post offices: we used to have them, but for efficiency purposes (both cost saving, but also more efficient for consumers) they've mostly moved to drop off points in things like grocery stores as people go there in their daily life anyway.
As for the wedding part: I've never heard of a wedding where someone could go to the ceremony, not dinner, but then is invited for the party again. Generally speaking if people indeed do invite their guests for different parts, it's either: you're invited to everything or you're invited to just the party. So either you are there from the beginning, or join in later on. I've never heard of having to leave in between.
As for the the employment contracts: Often a employer will offer you a temp contract for a year or so, and then offer you a permanent one afterwards. The temp contract kind of acts a trial period for both parties. There are legal constructs that prevent or discourage employers offering very short lasting temp contract, or allowing employers to just string along temp contracts.
As for the financial possibilities: this has everything to do with financial security. Technically speaking a temp contract gives less long term guarantee on solid income, and with that your ability to pay your bills. This protects not just the banks, but also aims to prevent situations like the ones that 'created' the 2008 financial crisis.
Yes, presents suck! I just don't go along with that. I explicitly mention that the only present I want is presence, and the only presents I give are those that I genuinely want to give, when I come across them.
You can see the tradition of having a 3 part wedding in the uk as well, the Royals are a clear example. But to me it makes sense, some parts you want to only share with close family and friends.
You are absolutely right about the weddings! I don't attend the wedding if only invited for the ceremony and reception (of course with gift hints!) but not for the dinner / party.
Ah trakteren, presents and the circles of doom that happen when there are too many people in a small space. The dutch socialite tradition of "One can dimply not turn up with empty hands". So if you bring food, wine, candy, a gift certificate, money with card, it's all allowed, it does not need to be expensive. The feeling of having to give "something" when receiving something is instilled deeply into Dutch culture ( we have deep need for equal trade, keeping the balance) .
I prefer not to celebrate my birthday at all, but I do "trakteer" at work to maintain fairness of having taken treats from others. Otherwise I would just feel bad. But my family, they know i'd rather not celebrate, me and my siblings have a "no- gift" deal. I give you nothing, you give me nothing. We just congradulate eachother and eat cake.
Circle of doom.... hahahahaha dat is het inderdaad , deze houd ik erin
The post office thing is also in villages and towns! Our post office is in the Bruna hehe
About health insurance. We pay about 120 euro per month for it. But all the insurances of all the people combined are not even close enough to match the sum of total health costs. Indirectly you contribute in other ways to pay for healthcare (income taxes, VAT, etc)
You even have that without fixed trash collection. At my parents for example there is a designated point on the street where you put your kliko and they just collect it from that point and move on.
the wedding invitation-thing is VERY normal. I, on the other hand, was shocked when attending my first wedding in Canada. There was a party with music but everybody had to bring their wallet (which I had not obviously). Its when I learned the concept of 'open bar', which in NL is standard.
My city has started introducing a bin day for paper recycling and I've missed every single one so far so I'm stuck with a pile of old papers and cardboard boxes 😂 I just can't get used to it.
There9s an app for that ;-)
The internet changed a lot.
other way around, shops double as post offices. used to be only Bruna shops, but the last few years it has changed., dhl etc have offices in supermarkets too now.
For a long time you could only put a car on your name at a post office.
they had special opening times for that service too.
now you can do that 8 to 5 except on sunday , at shops with an in store office.
I went to an UK wedding once but left after the church and reception because it was not specified on the invite I could stay the whole event. The groom was stunned i left quietly . But in Netherlands its common to have separate groups on church or reception or party.. that are tough to mix like uncles aunts and work collaegues of example.. and close friends or neighbours . True not to invite them at all but now everybody got a share of the pie..
Getting and giving well searched presents, is great!
Very nice vid series though. Lots a fun to see and hear.
Keep it up! 👌🏻 🇳🇱🇦🇺
The wedding part is not so muh about the money, though I guess one can say that it might play a part in the whole. It is mainly about social context. How is omeone related to you, which is the main discerning matter regarding to which parts of the wedding you invite someone.
Birthdays, you always give gifts, no matter what age someone is. The closer the person is to you the more specific your gift can be, but nowadays we do tend to go with giving money or giftcards. (think vvv cadeaukaart). Not giving a gift, even if it is just some flowers, is considered rather rude.
I get the wedding thing... but it was already like that when I got married. It's not like the guests that are not invited to the dinner are second rate, the ones invited to dinner are usually close friends and family and thus special to the bride and groom. Everybody else is special in their own way, but just not in the 'very close' range. It might also have something to do with budget. You know... THAT Dutch thing...
Most times I wouldn't like to be invited for dinner. Basically with a wedding but also for someone getting a PhD there the official ceremony and there's the party. But the party is of course in the evening/at night and the official business by day. So people go home to eat, family dinner with the kids is sanctuary in the Netherlands, or go eat out with other invites they already know or met.
But the married couple has to eat too and buys dinner for inner circle family and friends dinner, especially family often had to travel. So it's not really part of the party but a group dinner and if you're not part of the inner circle it's actually a bit awkward to have to get know a favourite aunt or grandpa people during a 5 course dinner where people are typically discussion inner circle things. And then you're also in for a whole day, which could be simply a bit too much for a not very close friend. Meeting other friends and family is much nicer at the party where you can avoid people you don't like.
There is a cost saving element of course, but it's also doing outer circle people a favour a not put them through a thing that's really not fitting the closeness of the friendhsip. It's socially difficult of course but falsely pretending everybody is equally close causes socially difficult situations too. It's only really awkward to the people who believed they were closer before they got the invitation, or the boyfriends of a close friend like me who is stuck at a dinner table with family members who have known eachother all their life and aren't particularly likeable.
@lynott parris. I would add that the wedding dinner allows the couple some time to at least enjoy the day (in the reception you don't get much chance to speak with everyone, and any evening activity - if organized - has the same issue). The reception allows for people to congratulate the couple without setting overly high expectations: colleagues, neighbours, people from the sports club etc. (you wouldn't expect all to come, and if they would, they would often come to the reception). Also any evening parties are challenging for guests with children, so they would often choose to attend the reception as well.
It is the otherway, some close friends and family for the ceremony. Coworkers and neighbours also for the party.
I love gifts haha. 44 years old , maar ik verheug me elke verjaardag weer op een cadeautje. Ik vind je content erg leuk. Ga zo door.