Let's be real, 90% of the convo is narratives, whether good or bad, and the rest of the time is actually analyzing basketball and the games. Some of the panel too focused on getting clipped for a moment. Other than that, good show
@@P.B-t1fgotta sell ticks I fear. PC has moments of talking ball at a higher level than just about any pod out there. But not enough people truly like basketball to listen to 2+ hours of pure hoop discourse. I do. And perhaps you do. But not enough people do.
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Like clock work, Mavs lose a game or two & now Luka style of basketball won’t win and he needs to be off ball. I called it the moment Jordan said we need to talk about Luka 😂😂
The mavs actually have more off ball action than last year, this makes them more versatile, meaning they could play with action off the ball or just revert back to mismatch hunting and isolation that got them to the finals.
Is it fair to say that if 1-2 players have the ball all the time and create all the looks that you'll struggle MORE to compensate for their lack of creation when they're out? Guys do fall out of rhythm and if you're used to Luka ball and he's out, it's hard to completely change everything without that engine.
Shout-out to Swipa for the cartoon/anime talk because cartoons/anime saved my life as a kid, plus playing sports, so yeah, Swipa, I'm a part of that community. I love anime. I don't really watch many cartoons nowadays.
I used to think similar things about heavy ball dominant iso player not working, but I’ve since changed my mind because people used to believe that 3point shooting couldn’t be a teams main source of offence and lead them to a championship, we’ve since seen 5 championship go to teams that’s main philosophy being 3point shooting since 2015.
i really dont like watching luka play basketball but this idea that lukas style of play cant win is so funny when people said the same thing about jokic, said the same thing about the warriors, like ur just saying that cuz it hasnt happened yet
@ who said that? I didn’t. I just think basketball fans don’t like basketball. You can win any kind of way but you need luck and everything on your side. Like the 90s trailblazers were shooting transition pull up jumpshots. Terry porter was shooting transition pull up threes imagine if they won a ring. Teams would have copied
@@rashonduswashington4025dont u know if u dont win it was impossible. u couldnt win as a jumpshooting team then the warriors did it,now everyone has to shoot. you couldnt win with a center who wasnt a rim protector. now the nuggets did it and every team is using their big as a hub of their offense. you cant win shooting more than half ur shots from three. then the celtics do it and now look. its just confirmation bias. u cant win a certain way until that way wins and then everyone says thats the only way to win now
@ you are spitting and that’s such dumb ideology to me. Like do what works for your team and your strengths because in reality you don’t have those types of players. It’s kinda like in the 90s teams were drafting shooting guards because of Jordan and it’s like they aren’t him at all
32:13 ok jordannn lowkey cookin on the jimmy point idk if over lauri but jimmy def got that draymond get team involved attribute so he doesn't disturb much really helps a lot
@@MarzTalksSportsthat's the point you made I agree with. Everything's impossible till it's done. But Jordans point is valid too. Why make it harder than it needs to be? If Luka was a more willing cutter and less stationary, he could help them a lot.
@@pensarebasketball Idk bro, If 90% of people aren't understanding the point you're making then, you are either not conveying in the way you want to correctly or it's stupid.
@@rashonduswashington4025I get but the thing that makes a Giannis trade difficult is that teams will have to deplete their roster to get Giannis. I don't know how much teams have the roster depth to trade for Giannis but also maintain a good roster after getting him.
@@Matthew-xl5bcit could only be a team with depth with pieces they could trade away the problem is most teams imo would rather just keep the roster they have than go trade for Giannis
Jordan was cooking then surprisingly RON started cooking as well, Marz getting emotional like usual when his points get cooked. Comparing the Mavs to the 2016 Cavs was helluva reach, Bron didn’t stand around and let Kyrie dribble, he cut for alley oops, layups, etc and drew fouls with his cutting.
Also bringing up the stats to act like Luka doesn’t hog the ball is funny because Marz says watch the games and don’t use stats, yet arguing every eye test metric with stats.
@@tayluc777 If u say a player is holding the ball and theres actual data saying hes holding it less than ever then ur eye test is factually wrong. eye test is for subjective matters, how people navigate screens,how they get to their spots,how they rotate on defense. not for how much someone holds the ball. U say theyre cookin cos u been sayin hardens style wouldnt win so u just agree with them. i countered every point made. I said the cavs CRUNCHTIME offense was similar in terms of mismatch hunting for their 2 stars and attacking from the outside (like dallas crunchtime offense) not their overall styles of play. but u obviously dont listen. but i expect nun less from you tbh atp. when u respond to this i wont respond but i will see it. have a good one
@@MarzTalksSportsyou know stats NEED CONTEXT though so that’s irrelevant and you didn’t counter with objectivity and you made faulty claims to not get on Luka, that’s why you be in the chat saying “I’m picking my battles with this argument” don’t bring up the 2016 Cavs because it was more than mismatch hunting, Bron and Kyrie had a 2 man game and Bron was way better off the ball than Luka ever will be! That’s the point you lied and act like the points you made correlated 😂, the chat just gone glaze you because they fanboys, I stay the same with all the panelists.
@@MarzTalksSportsyou brought up Ant vs Luka time of possession with the ball like that didn’t need CONTEXT. Luka actually has shot creators like KYRIE, PJ can get a bucket, etc and still HOGS the ball, ANT has virtually no one outside RANDLE who you don’t think much of so he NEEDS the ball more, you tried to act like they were the same. I studied your style and you're done now! 👺
Point Jordan trying to make is doing everything on offense is not going to work the only players that won with it was lebron and magic and their top 7 players at worst James harden it failed yeah injuries is apart of it but if you have a system like with the bulls no matter if bulls had prime Horace grant or Dennis Rodman or Rodman loosing a step or prime pippen or pippen loosing a step the system always worked same with the warriors and spurs no matter the piece whether their old or in their prime the system always works and Jordan is saying that iso iso ball and pnr only offense don’t work.Marz slick trying to misconstrue his words
@@drenchmansportslike I hate that style of play one player just iso and pnr or two doing a your turn my turn type of basketball like if the rocket had a system where he post up and had him going off curls for midrange and cutting and just the team moving off ball instead of being stagnet cutting off ball or screening off ball and etc they probably would have won the series
2:21:56 I'm so tired of this narrative about Luka being a grenade launching ball hog. Marz already debunked that myth with statistical evidence last time Chill and Ox brought up this same tired argument. Initially the argument was Luka holds the ball too much, that got debunked, then it went to "what does he do when he gets off ball?". Its so bad Jordan's arguing that harden's play style is the reason why Cp3 tore his hamstring 😂. Lebron James won 4 championships as a ball dominant player responsible for most of his teams' offense. Magic Johnson in 1987 did it as well. Jordan is an example of playing hoops doesn't mean you know nba basketball.
I agree with swipa nga this dame n Giannis isn’t a duo. It looks like they are forced to play together. It sucks they couldn’t workout in the summer to create more synergy, but I guess they thought the long hour phone calls were gonna work. Cause this nga dame still saying “I don’t wanna step over anybody”😂like it’s year 2 man I promise all giannis want to do is win. Dame the offensive player that needs rhythm, and him being so stuck on let giannis be giannis and I’ll work around it is starting to become a problem. Giannis don’t need rhythm to get going, YOU DO SO WHY ARE U SACRIFICING YOUR PLAYSTYLE WHEN YOU NEVER PLAYED THAT WAY AND GIANNIS SAID HE’LL ADJUST TO YOU. IT MAKES NO SENSE YOU GETTIN OLD, STILL USE SOME OF THAT GEM YOU HAVE AS AN OFFENSIVE THREAT BEFORE U REALLY LOSE THAT STEP
That’s the wrong word saying they “couldn’t” workout together, they “didn’t” workout together and they “should’ve” workout together. There’s no excuse for Dame and Giannis not to workout together, that’s an indictment on them
I love Gianiss but to ask out when you haven’t been available in the playoffs that past two years to see what your team can really do is not on the team .
I stopped listening to the "Luka playstyle bad" guys after all of them shut up about Brunson's usage rate. These were the same people saying Luka was holding him back btw. Its such a stupid take. So his playstyle works until the finals and then all of a sudden its an unwinnable playstyle after he loses smh. They said Giannis couldn't even cause he had no skill, Curry couldn't win without KD, Jokic can't win becuase he's a non defensive big, Celtics can't win cause all they do is shoot 3s. These guys can never understand unless its right in front of their faces istg
Giannis won because of injuries lol. Of course you will win if your competition is injured. Curry literally won before, so no they didn’t. They just said he wouldn’t win again without KD which was stupid. Any superstar can win if they were the bucks in 2021
mate run and dunk fraud Giannis won coz he took out Kyrie... everyone and their momma knows this. And as for Jokic the nuggets surrounded him with great defensive players....
@@sacred7738Dude the point is let's say Luka got a fortunate run where others got hurt and they ended up winning. Then these people can't have anything to say cause their entire point runs on if they win the championship or not and that's it. Regardless of how you feel about Giannis no one is questioning whether he can win or not with his playstyle cause they already seen him do it
@@MarzTalksSportsSengun and Reed with picks would make sense to me. It raises the Rockets ceiling immediately and they would keep most of their you. Like Giannis defensively under Udoka coaching would be to see. It makes more sense to me than wanting to the Nets.
who ever knows, that's why he so quick to jump in these comments whenever someone speaks onnit. He knows he the least knowledgeable on the panel. he not dumb nah but he say stupid shit a lot. he must be clip farming or genuinely doesn't understand the game like the rest. Crazy how 80% of comments say the same about him but he still comes at folks talm bout " u jus wan be apart of the brotherhood " 😂 like nah bra u jus don't make sense most the time. All respect tho
Style of play def not gonna win If Steph KD Klay and Dray is On the opposite Team 😂 Harden really get criticized for not beating a Team ppl Deemed Unbeatable
@ why do y’all only talk abt game 7? 😂 that style of play is why they made that far in the first place, Cp got hurt and they went on a historic cold streak and lose to One of the greatest collections of talent ever and somehow that means Harden style of play isn’t a winnig recipe, just doesn’t make sense
Man, I don't know what the Bucks or Giannis should do, but what I do know is that they are finished. I never liked Dame, so I already knew it wasn't going to work. So if Giannis wants out or the Bucks want to trade him, then I say do it.
suns looking like one of the best teams in the league - not discussed wemby 5x5 game and vintage cp3 game - not discussed paolo banchero injury - not discussed yet yall spent hours talking in circles about luka doncic playstyle and the 1000th convo about jalen green. yall need better moderation and plannning
Let me preface this by saying that Jordan and Ron know ball but The James harden/luka conversation was ngl pretty mind numbing. For the longest time people thought you needed a star/dominant big to win chips and than Jordan started winning. Then people thought it was impossible to win shooting mostly 3s and then curry won it. So we go through 2 generations of people getting proven wrong and yet people still don’t learn. these type of styles aren’t “impossible to win with” people just haven’t won using it yet. Holding on to mindsets about styles “ not working” is pretty ignorant and honestly these type of narrative conversations aren’t productive honestly.
The bucks are done. They gotta trade dame and brook and try to get some assets back to try and reset around freak all while trying to keep them competitive enough to keep giannis happy bruh it's tough.
The Luka narrative that he has been James harden 2.0 is overdone imo. Ron & Jordan say his style aint conducive to winning basketball but ignore the fact that Boston was clearly better. I dont know about other sports, but basketball is a sport where going further in the playoffs hurts your rep more than it helps. Not winning the finals is actually worse🤣🤣😂😂 I would like to know from them which teams are playing 'winning basketball style'? If any of the said teams havent won the chip, how are their style 'winning' then?
@drenchmansports you calling people who call you out on the bs you say don't change you being wrong. Ironic you criticize players for how they respond to criticism and you do the same in these comments, lol. Have a blast, homie.
@ i don’t call players out for responding to nothing, you just made that up. I can do what i want to do, just like you do what you want too! Dont get sensitive now cause i don’t respect you. I think your jockey! That’s all. I’m not calling you out for fun like you want to do with me , but i am single-ing you out .. simply because i WANT TOO! Make sense ? Alright cool. Go on about your life chump.. i mean champ my bad
I'm going to have to be one of those fans who only show up when my team win... It is too annoying hearing the criticism of Luka and the Mavs on this show, Mavs can't win with these style when Luka has been WCF 2 of the last 3 years and finals last year, what are we even saying.
Idk how people spew a narrative non logical argument and expect a response different to their type of arguments. Shoutout to those who can deal with people who only talk narrative.
Now the warriors played “the most beautiful cohesive type of basketball” but for years I had to hear how it ruined basketball and that all there doing is jacking up 3s. Revisionist history is CRAZY. Stick to hosting Ron
Bro I’ve been saying they should have moved off khris Middleton and kept jrue holiday dame and jrue would be the best 1-2 punch back court besides Luka and kyrie then go and get a 3 and d wing
Injuries man. They've covered the spread 4 times in 5 games. They're better than you think if they could just be healthy. They had the Nuggets beat before Scottie's injury.
@ even if healthy I still don’t believe in them because bad teams always come out the gate fiesty and energetic. Plus y’all have to rely on players to grow which has it pains
I love the show and this community but idk if I can watch the lives anymore after today. How y’all not bring up the suns game but talk about the fucking rockets for 45 minutes.
@@pensarebasketballMogbo and Missi raw as ever but I love the way they impact games, Dunn shooting is why he’s my pick. Crazy the later picks have been producing so far right away, I always harp on the 22-23 year old prospects being more NBA ready than the younger lottery picks.
Jordan so wrong about Lauri in the warriors system he’s far better and way less maintenance. Jimmy getting overrated so bad. He’s not that good anymore he’s been mid so far and he’s old. Jimmy just overrated in general
Atlanta fan here and idk who this guy is onna bottom right is but he’s completely wrong about Onyeka. A criticism you can have about him is fouls a bit much and is undersized but to say he completely inept and just the void of any defensive capabilities is just false. Mf probably watched three games and came to that conclusion. He’s literally known for giving Giannis hell every time they matchup. Hawks are bad but stop talking out yo ass
Exactly. Jordan literally has no idea what’s he’s talking about.. he literally only watch the wizard game and think he knows it all.. this dude is worse than ticket
I love chl but he sound dumb asf saying Houston in 2018 would’ve beaten CLE in 2015 when u thought 2018 CLE would’ve beaten the 2018 HOU..but now u tryin to defend marz lil ass! Tricked yourself up🤦🏽♂️
It is hard to defend Luka because majority are wrong about him or just hate. And when you have to fight of a majority of haters who are losing their minds while being wrong as fuck. This year Mavs will win it all and shut the fuck up the whole panel except Marz. Ron... whats with the hate? Luka is better defender than any of your favourite players could dream about, I just hope this hate is not rooted somewhere deep for faul reasons.
Jordan you have no idea what you’re talking about…. You literally watched one Atlanta hawk game and you think you know it all… onyeka onkongwu is way better offensively and Defensively than Clint capela is.. Clint only starting because onyeka is only 6’8 and he gives up a lot of height at the 5… if you actually watch the games you would realize that’s he actually been closing out the first couple games over capela before he sat out for his toe injury… please only talk about teams YOU ACTUALLY WATCH.. because you clearly don’t watch the Atlanta hawks
I actually do watch the hawks .. i know exactly what im talking about .. Onkongwu is a horrible defender .. all you have to do is pay attention and not from a fan stand point..he’s more skilled than Capella but definitely not better .. i also don’t know why you brought up height as an excuse that’s ridiculous.. that’s also part of the reason he’s a horrible defender
Y’all showing examples of why many get turned off with the NBA. Y’all hyped up jimmy on GSW but has looks like shit on his team rn. If he’s what y’all say he is why is Miami good rn. He got talent y’all say, right?
Some of Jordan points is valid I just think the style of play could work but it’s not the ideal way to win you need the perfect roster and luck involved mavericks last year i felt was more luck than them having the roster to win pj Washington had a crazy shooting series against okc just for them to pull that series off
They made two WCF in 4 years, so it can't be all luck. Luka is just a scoring beast in the playoffs and only needs a couple of guys to hit 3s to beat you.
As long as u say heliocentric offenses are a valid way of winning, then it’s fair for you to say that there are better ways of winning. And yes luck will always play a factor but I feel like people SHOULD be able to see if a play style is conducive of winning regardless of they actually win it all
Vector Wembamama is the most overrated player in the NBA. Wembamama is a soft 7’5 finesse big. Wembamama isn’t this generational player & no where close to LeBron level. Vector Wembamama is as soft as the French fries that are made from his hometown France
Giannis gotta stay and deal with this. He caused this clown show and now he has to deal with the consequences. He's been pushing Milwaukee ever since 2021.
What obsession? 🤣 It's just mad corny to have someone scream over everything you say all episode because their mic is 5DB higher and not lose your mind
These old expired narratives ab luka and his playstyle gotta stop man. lets talk hoop fr
Idk where that logic came from L Ron
Luka is the Michael Jordan of James Hardens
Let's be real, 90% of the convo is narratives, whether good or bad, and the rest of the time is actually analyzing basketball and the games. Some of the panel too focused on getting clipped for a moment. Other than that, good show
@@P.B-t1fgotta sell ticks I fear. PC has moments of talking ball at a higher level than just about any pod out there. But not enough people truly like basketball to listen to 2+ hours of pure hoop discourse. I do. And perhaps you do. But not enough people do.
Yall poding on Sunday marz???
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Like clock work, Mavs lose a game or two & now Luka style of basketball won’t win and he needs to be off ball. I called it the moment Jordan said we need to talk about Luka 😂😂
Let me clarify - “better” off ball
The mavs actually have more off ball action than last year, this makes them more versatile, meaning they could play with action off the ball or just revert back to mismatch hunting and isolation that got them to the finals.
If marz wasnt on the panel we would just listen to mavs and luka slander
I don't think I could watch this without marz
Y’all literally listen to them talk about a shot chucking inefficient non all star Sg Everyday 😂😂
@@trytv7716respect my goat
No way Jordan’s argument is that if your second best player goes down and you lose it’s because of your style
Wasn’t my arguemnt
Is it fair to say that if 1-2 players have the ball all the time and create all the looks that you'll struggle MORE to compensate for their lack of creation when they're out? Guys do fall out of rhythm and if you're used to Luka ball and he's out, it's hard to completely change everything without that engine.
@@pensarebasketball I completely agree this harden/ luka style can’t/won’t work. My point was the argument didn’t make sense
That is exactly what he said 😂😂😂
most of yall said Dame wouldve had the same rings if you switched him with Curry, now look at how dumb yall are
@@DesignzRUs I think that was Dub who said that I could be wrong though
Who is "most of yall"?
@farhansarkar2394 Alot if them agreed. I dont care enough to find them old vids but I just had to talk my ish
@@DesignzRUsnobody up here agreed
No one said that but Ticket
Shout-out to Swipa for the cartoon/anime talk because cartoons/anime saved my life as a kid, plus playing sports, so yeah, Swipa, I'm a part of that community. I love anime. I don't really watch many cartoons nowadays.
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Not mad at that
Thank god The show was so much smoother I wonder why ………
Appreciate swipa for the anime shout out and N64
Anime has become very popular in recent years. Many professional athletes make it known that they watch it. It's nothing to be embarrassed about.
@ I absolutely agree
W to Marz for always showing Harden love they really hate my dawg man
Let them hate on Harden greatness man W Marz
jordan gon make marz pop a blood vessel lmaooo
I used to think similar things about heavy ball dominant iso player not working, but I’ve since changed my mind because people used to believe that 3point shooting couldn’t be a teams main source of offence and lead them to a championship, we’ve since seen 5 championship go to teams that’s main philosophy being 3point shooting since 2015.
i really dont like watching luka play basketball but this idea that lukas style of play cant win is so funny when people said the same thing about jokic, said the same thing about the warriors, like ur just saying that cuz it hasnt happened yet
@@legorovers9838 Everythings impossible until it happens
jokic playstyle is winnable, fluka's aint...
I mean, Luka has made two WCF and a finals, so his style is pretty damn winning. Was he supposed to beat a historically good Celtics team?
Jokic plays totally different than Luka
@@goatstatusj5112we’ve never seen Luka play style so how can you even say that and if you’re gonna bring up harden they won just ran into a dynasty
It’s crazy how the playstyle convo went. All because you don’t win doesn’t mean that it didn’t work. You can win almost any way imo
Opinions aren’t facts though
@ who said that? I didn’t. I just think basketball fans don’t like basketball. You can win any kind of way but you need luck and everything on your side. Like the 90s trailblazers were shooting transition pull up jumpshots. Terry porter was shooting transition pull up threes imagine if they won a ring. Teams would have copied
@@rashonduswashington4025dont u know if u dont win it was impossible. u couldnt win as a jumpshooting team then the warriors did it,now everyone has to shoot. you couldnt win with a center who wasnt a rim protector. now the nuggets did it and every team is using their big as a hub of their offense. you cant win shooting more than half ur shots from three. then the celtics do it and now look. its just confirmation bias. u cant win a certain way until that way wins and then everyone says thats the only way to win now
@ you are spitting and that’s such dumb ideology to me. Like do what works for your team and your strengths because in reality you don’t have those types of players. It’s kinda like in the 90s teams were drafting shooting guards because of Jordan and it’s like they aren’t him at all
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32:13 ok jordannn lowkey cookin on the jimmy point idk if over lauri but jimmy def got that draymond get team involved attribute so he doesn't disturb much really helps a lot
Whenever penn isn’t here I can watch a full show shoutout the panel
Thank you Ron and co. For calling out Luka trash ass play style. Yall don’t get fool by it cause it looks kool and exciting
But if he won would you be saying that?
I think Jordans point is very valid. Luka does NOTHING without the ball. He could be so much better and it's unfortunate to see
That being said, Marz made some great points too.
@@pensarebasketball Definitely does nothing without the ball,doesnt mean the 'style of play' will never work
@@MarzTalksSportsthat's the point you made I agree with. Everything's impossible till it's done.
But Jordans point is valid too. Why make it harder than it needs to be? If Luka was a more willing cutter and less stationary, he could help them a lot.
@ definitely could help them
Thank you pen
That Luka/Harden play style segment was peak Ron and Jordan CHATTING
Jordan reaches a new level of yapping everytime he starts talking, talking to him is like have a conversation with an ignorant brick wall
How
We always wanna call people ignorant when we can't understand what they're saying. Maybe you just don't get it because you don't get it?
@ unfortunately that’s not the case
@@drenchmansports as a someone on a podcast you should be more conscious of your own speech patterns
@@pensarebasketball Idk bro, If 90% of people aren't understanding the point you're making then, you are either not conveying in the way you want to correctly or it's stupid.
Ngl I feel like if the bucks kept jrue and the others it would be the same complaints literally. The roster was aging already
Facts. With or without the Bucks were already going downwards anyways. I never understood why Giannis signed his extension in the first.
@ loyalty
@@rashonduswashington4025I get but the thing that makes a Giannis trade difficult is that teams will have to deplete their roster to get Giannis. I don't know how much teams have the roster depth to trade for Giannis but also maintain a good roster after getting him.
@ it’s the nba once a star like that becomes available they don’t care about the rest until he’s on the team. It’s some teams I could see him with
@@Matthew-xl5bcit could only be a team with depth with pieces they could trade away the problem is most teams imo would rather just keep the roster they have than go trade for Giannis
Luka a white james harden
Jordan was cooking then surprisingly RON started cooking as well, Marz getting emotional like usual when his points get cooked. Comparing the Mavs to the 2016 Cavs was helluva reach, Bron didn’t stand around and let Kyrie dribble, he cut for alley oops, layups, etc and drew fouls with his cutting.
Also bringing up the stats to act like Luka doesn’t hog the ball is funny because Marz says watch the games and don’t use stats, yet arguing every eye test metric with stats.
@@tayluc777 If u say a player is holding the ball and theres actual data saying hes holding it less than ever then ur eye test is factually wrong. eye test is for subjective matters, how people navigate screens,how they get to their spots,how they rotate on defense. not for how much someone holds the ball. U say theyre cookin cos u been sayin hardens style wouldnt win so u just agree with them. i countered every point made. I said the cavs CRUNCHTIME offense was similar in terms of mismatch hunting for their 2 stars and attacking from the outside (like dallas crunchtime offense) not their overall styles of play. but u obviously dont listen. but i expect nun less from you tbh atp. when u respond to this i wont respond but i will see it. have a good one
@@MarzTalksSportsyou know stats NEED CONTEXT though so that’s irrelevant and you didn’t counter with objectivity and you made faulty claims to not get on Luka, that’s why you be in the chat saying “I’m picking my battles with this argument” don’t bring up the 2016 Cavs because it was more than mismatch hunting, Bron and Kyrie had a 2 man game and Bron was way better off the ball than Luka ever will be! That’s the point you lied and act like the points you made correlated 😂, the chat just gone glaze you because they fanboys, I stay the same with all the panelists.
@@MarzTalksSportsyou brought up Ant vs Luka time of possession with the ball like that didn’t need CONTEXT. Luka actually has shot creators like KYRIE, PJ can get a bucket, etc and still HOGS the ball, ANT has virtually no one outside RANDLE who you don’t think much of so he NEEDS the ball more, you tried to act like they were the same. I studied your style and you're done now! 👺
@@tayluc777😂😂😂
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Point Jordan trying to make is doing everything on offense is not going to work the only players that won with it was lebron and magic and their top 7 players at worst James harden it failed yeah injuries is apart of it but if you have a system like with the bulls no matter if bulls had prime Horace grant or Dennis Rodman or Rodman loosing a step or prime pippen or pippen loosing a step the system always worked same with the warriors and spurs no matter the piece whether their old or in their prime the system always works and Jordan is saying that iso iso ball and pnr only offense don’t work.Marz slick trying to misconstrue his words
100% exactly what i was saying
@@drenchmansportslike I hate that style of play one player just iso and pnr or two doing a your turn my turn type of basketball like if the rocket had a system where he post up and had him going off curls for midrange and cutting and just the team moving off ball instead of being stagnet cutting off ball or screening off ball and etc they probably would have won the series
MARZ BECAME THE LEADER OF THE HARDEN FC AFTER THIS EPISODE 😂
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Scoring capable guards look at the bucks backcourt like thanksgiving dinner
The 2016 Cavs was playing that heliocentric style around LeBron and Kyrie and they won the championship
2:21:56 I'm so tired of this narrative about Luka being a grenade launching ball hog. Marz already debunked that myth with statistical evidence last time Chill and Ox brought up this same tired argument. Initially the argument was Luka holds the ball too much, that got debunked, then it went to "what does he do when he gets off ball?". Its so bad Jordan's arguing that harden's play style is the reason why Cp3 tore his hamstring 😂. Lebron James won 4 championships as a ball dominant player responsible for most of his teams' offense. Magic Johnson in 1987 did it as well. Jordan is an example of playing hoops doesn't mean you know nba basketball.
I agree with swipa nga this dame n Giannis isn’t a duo. It looks like they are forced to play together. It sucks they couldn’t workout in the summer to create more synergy, but I guess they thought the long hour phone calls were gonna work. Cause this nga dame still saying “I don’t wanna step over anybody”😂like it’s year 2 man I promise all giannis want to do is win. Dame the offensive player that needs rhythm, and him being so stuck on let giannis be giannis and I’ll work around it is starting to become a problem. Giannis don’t need rhythm to get going, YOU DO SO WHY ARE U SACRIFICING YOUR PLAYSTYLE WHEN YOU NEVER PLAYED THAT WAY AND GIANNIS SAID HE’LL ADJUST TO YOU. IT MAKES NO SENSE YOU GETTIN OLD, STILL USE SOME OF THAT GEM YOU HAVE AS AN OFFENSIVE THREAT BEFORE U REALLY LOSE THAT STEP
That’s the wrong word saying they “couldn’t” workout together, they “didn’t” workout together and they “should’ve” workout together.
There’s no excuse for Dame and Giannis not to workout together, that’s an indictment on them
Lmao jordan gets deep fried by mars every time
How ?
Jordan and Ron COOKED!!!
Been saying for years that you can’t win playing how Harden plays or with Harden…
2:35:24 😂😂
Chris Paul Is the reason people wrongly believed Harden and that style could lead a squad to a title.
I love Gianiss but to ask out when you haven’t been available in the playoffs that past two years to see what your team can really do is not on the team .
I stopped listening to the "Luka playstyle bad" guys after all of them shut up about Brunson's usage rate. These were the same people saying Luka was holding him back btw.
Its such a stupid take. So his playstyle works until the finals and then all of a sudden its an unwinnable playstyle after he loses smh.
They said Giannis couldn't even cause he had no skill, Curry couldn't win without KD, Jokic can't win becuase he's a non defensive big, Celtics can't win cause all they do is shoot 3s. These guys can never understand unless its right in front of their faces istg
@@MightyP-s3f i forgot the 'you cant win with jokic people' that got shut up real quick. i was having that conversation damn near every day on here
@@MarzTalksSports" Jokic doesn't do anything off ball"
Giannis won because of injuries lol. Of course you will win if your competition is injured. Curry literally won before, so no they didn’t. They just said he wouldn’t win again without KD which was stupid. Any superstar can win if they were the bucks in 2021
mate run and dunk fraud Giannis won coz he took out Kyrie... everyone and their momma knows this. And as for Jokic the nuggets surrounded him with great defensive players....
@@sacred7738Dude the point is let's say Luka got a fortunate run where others got hurt and they ended up winning. Then these people can't have anything to say cause their entire point runs on if they win the championship or not and that's it. Regardless of how you feel about Giannis no one is questioning whether he can win or not with his playstyle cause they already seen him do it
I said it once, and I’ll say it again. I think a Jakob Potlel trade would be great for the Bucks
Nah I’m kinda worried for Chill after that one😂💀 2:34:35
Jordan Cooked Marz
Luka was getting open shots right by the basket and they just wernt falling last night, I seem him turning it around quick.
Doc and ham leading the bucks to a play in 🔥🔥🔥
It’s the fact they have energy to diss the Mavs but don’t praise them. I promise you, some of these panelist dislike Kyrie, Luka and Klay.
The sleeper team I want Giannis to go to is Houston as long as they keep Jalen, Jabari, and Tari.
and amen and reed and cam and sengun yeah i agree
@@MarzTalksSportsSengun and Reed with picks would make sense to me. It raises the Rockets ceiling immediately and they would keep most of their you.
Like Giannis defensively under Udoka coaching would be to see. It makes more sense to me than wanting to the Nets.
@ Oh yeah forsure i like my young core tho so dillon+fvv+a pick or nothing
@@MarzTalksSportsValid the Rockets do have the best young core in the league
@ cook
bro what is jordan even saying
😂
who ever knows, that's why he so quick to jump in these comments whenever someone speaks onnit. He knows he the least knowledgeable on the panel. he not dumb nah but he say stupid shit a lot. he must be clip farming or genuinely doesn't understand the game like the rest. Crazy how 80% of comments say the same about him but he still comes at folks talm bout " u jus wan be apart of the brotherhood " 😂 like nah bra u jus don't make sense most the time. All respect tho
Style of play def not gonna win If Steph KD Klay and Dray is On the opposite Team 😂 Harden really get criticized for not beating a Team ppl Deemed Unbeatable
That’s an excuse though because they missed 27 straight 3s, Harden eliminating the mid range could’ve helped. This is context
@ why do y’all only talk abt game 7? 😂 that style of play is why they made that far in the first place, Cp got hurt and they went on a historic cold streak and lose to One of the greatest collections of talent ever and somehow that means Harden style of play isn’t a winnig recipe, just doesn’t make sense
@ that’s not context 😂 Neither is what I said an excuse
What was there excuse the next year when Kd missed the end of game 5 and 6
@@trytv7716 the team wasn’t as good 😂 cp3 had a clear regression
Man, I don't know what the Bucks or Giannis should do, but what I do know is that they are finished. I never liked Dame, so I already knew it wasn't going to work. So if Giannis wants out or the Bucks want to trade him, then I say do it.
I've notice Pen been glazin Jordan and ION LIKE IT!
suns looking like one of the best teams in the league - not discussed
wemby 5x5 game and vintage cp3 game - not discussed
paolo banchero injury - not discussed
yet yall spent hours talking in circles about luka doncic playstyle and the 1000th convo about jalen green. yall need better moderation and plannning
W jalen green
Let me preface this by saying that Jordan and Ron know ball but The James harden/luka conversation was ngl pretty mind numbing. For the longest time people thought you needed a star/dominant big to win chips and than Jordan started winning.
Then people thought it was impossible to win shooting mostly 3s and then curry won it.
So we go through 2 generations of people getting proven wrong and yet people still don’t learn. these type of styles aren’t “impossible to win with” people just haven’t won using it yet.
Holding on to mindsets about styles “ not working” is pretty ignorant and honestly these type of narrative conversations aren’t productive honestly.
Giannis to the Mavs is inevitable. He was rumored thefe awhile back and j kidd is over there so it’s making sense to me
1:39:55 Jordan is hilarious🤣😅🤣😅🤣
1:03:51 Ron not lying, his skillset perfect for them. Great perimeter defender, 1 on 1 atleast, good shooter and great cutter.
Bam need to stay out of Aja and Get in the GYM this start to a szn Is unacceptable
Swipa watch anime??? Top 3 panelists no cap
The bucks are done. They gotta trade dame and brook and try to get some assets back to try and reset around freak all while trying to keep them competitive enough to keep giannis happy bruh it's tough.
Saying Ja is creeping up to the top 5 is crazy lol. He’s not even top 5 in the west😭🤣🤣
Saying the team wouldn't use Chris Paul as a playmaker should get your microphone cut
The Luka narrative that he has been James harden 2.0 is overdone imo. Ron & Jordan say his style aint conducive to winning basketball but ignore the fact that Boston was clearly better. I dont know about other sports, but basketball is a sport where going further in the playoffs hurts your rep more than it helps. Not winning the finals is actually worse🤣🤣😂😂
I would like to know from them which teams are playing 'winning basketball style'? If any of the said teams havent won the chip, how are their style 'winning' then?
Style of play argument is dumb. Mavs gonna lose because of Luka defense, not his offense.
We already had this argument..
@ and you were wrong.
@@DameFreshTV i wasn’t , we already established that.. that’s why you can’t get in the brotherhood you misinformed
@drenchmansports you calling people who call you out on the bs you say don't change you being wrong. Ironic you criticize players for how they respond to criticism and you do the same in these comments, lol. Have a blast, homie.
@ i don’t call players out for responding to nothing, you just made that up. I can do what i want to do, just like you do what you want too! Dont get sensitive now cause i don’t respect you. I think your jockey! That’s all. I’m not calling you out for fun like you want to do with me , but i am single-ing you out .. simply because i WANT TOO! Make sense ? Alright cool. Go on about your life chump.. i mean champ my bad
People really thought Dame was better than Kyrie 😭
Just wait for Middleton get back healthy because he play nice last playoff
I'm going to have to be one of those fans who only show up when my team win... It is too annoying hearing the criticism of Luka and the Mavs on this show, Mavs can't win with these style when Luka has been WCF 2 of the last 3 years and finals last year, what are we even saying.
lol say something negative about Luka and that boy Marz stops trolling and get emotional.
are u implying im a luka stan?? used to be called a hater,ive come a long way
Bcz there's narrative are stupid
Idk how people spew a narrative non logical argument and expect a response different to their type of arguments. Shoutout to those who can deal with people who only talk narrative.
Marz was cooking again
Now the warriors played “the most beautiful cohesive type of basketball” but for years I had to hear how it ruined basketball and that all there doing is jacking up 3s. Revisionist history is CRAZY. Stick to hosting Ron
Bobby Portis is terrible ? We gotta stop this just because a player isn’t a All star doesn’t mean they are bad
He’s a black hole offensively while being a clear negative on defense
Or u have to stay off basketball reference and watch him play 😂 he has been egregious
Ask any bucks fan he’s been horrible
@@stackntax1308 I promise noones calling bobby portis terrible cos he isnt an all star
Bro I’ve been saying they should have moved off khris Middleton and kept jrue holiday dame and jrue would be the best 1-2 punch back court besides Luka and kyrie then go and get a 3 and d wing
I can’t believe pen tried to sell us on the raptors
Injuries man. They've covered the spread 4 times in 5 games. They're better than you think if they could just be healthy. They had the Nuggets beat before Scottie's injury.
@ even if healthy I still don’t believe in them because bad teams always come out the gate fiesty and energetic. Plus y’all have to rely on players to grow which has it pains
I love the show and this community but idk if I can watch the lives anymore after today. How y’all not bring up the suns game but talk about the fucking rockets for 45 minutes.
😢 true
@ I didn’t like that at all
@@triggatre777 Lol
@@MarzTalksSports do better Marz 😂😂
@@triggatre777 I aint make us talk ab houston that long,i never do
mfs said draymond generated shots for the warriors not steph lmaoooo
Have you applied for the brotherhood yet ? Hit up deantae
marz cappin for harden and luka
1:09:45 JUMP OFF THAT HILL JORDAN🔥🔥 GRIZZ SZN🐻
Why is a West Coast native talking about I would come off the greak freak lol these other cities be really trying to bring the Milwaukee down👎
Ron make no argument ngl
What’s with the mavs hate?
Jordan and Ron be picking the dumb side of the argument just for content.
Take your glasses off and recognize you're getting cooked
If this is who Jalen green is then he easy top 30 player
Harden first Team All NBA
Ryan Dunn is ROY so far.
Not mad at that. Mogbo, Dunn, Missi, Clingan been the ones so far
@@pensarebasketballMogbo and Missi raw as ever but I love the way they impact games, Dunn shooting is why he’s my pick. Crazy the later picks have been producing so far right away, I always harp on the 22-23 year old prospects being more NBA ready than the younger lottery picks.
Bub Carrington>
You finally know ball
Ik chill tired of being cut off by Jordan n Swipa. And Swipa!, turn yo damn mic down PLEASE SIR.
Jordan so wrong about Lauri in the warriors system he’s far better and way less maintenance. Jimmy getting overrated so bad. He’s not that good anymore he’s been mid so far and he’s old. Jimmy just overrated in general
Atlanta fan here and idk who this guy is onna bottom right is but he’s completely wrong about Onyeka. A criticism you can have about him is fouls a bit much and is undersized but to say he completely inept and just the void of any defensive capabilities is just false. Mf probably watched three games and came to that conclusion. He’s literally known for giving Giannis hell every time they matchup. Hawks are bad but stop talking out yo ass
@@BruceNorrin Hes not much of a rim presence thats my gripe with him,largely cos hes undersized. im forsure taking him over bumass capela tho
Exactly. Jordan literally has no idea what’s he’s talking about.. he literally only watch the wizard game and think he knows it all.. this dude is worse than ticket
I love chl but he sound dumb asf saying Houston in 2018 would’ve beaten CLE in 2015 when u thought 2018 CLE would’ve beaten the 2018 HOU..but now u tryin to defend marz lil ass! Tricked yourself up🤦🏽♂️
i also find this weird
He be scared to be a villain to the chat
It is hard to defend Luka because majority are wrong about him or just hate. And when you have to fight of a majority of haters who are losing their minds while being wrong as fuck. This year Mavs will win it all and shut the fuck up the whole panel except Marz. Ron... whats with the hate? Luka is better defender than any of your favourite players could dream about, I just hope this hate is not rooted somewhere deep for faul reasons.
Bucks haters
Mars u need to watch attack on Titan seriously
im good
Jordan you have no idea what you’re talking about…. You literally watched one Atlanta hawk game and you think you know it all… onyeka onkongwu is way better offensively and Defensively than Clint capela is.. Clint only starting because onyeka is only 6’8 and he gives up a lot of height at the 5… if you actually watch the games you would realize that’s he actually been closing out the first couple games over capela before he sat out for his toe injury… please only talk about teams YOU ACTUALLY WATCH.. because you clearly don’t watch the Atlanta hawks
I actually do watch the hawks .. i know exactly what im talking about .. Onkongwu is a horrible defender .. all you have to do is pay attention and not from a fan stand point..he’s more skilled than Capella but definitely not better .. i also don’t know why you brought up height as an excuse that’s ridiculous.. that’s also part of the reason he’s a horrible defender
What happen to Open Gym?
@@anthonycelestin3559 dead
The gym closed down
@@trevon444 Why?
@@anthonycelestin3559cos noone tryna workout fr
@@trevon444 Do you know the reason why Open Gym got shut down?
Y’all showing examples of why many get turned off with the NBA. Y’all hyped up jimmy on GSW but has looks like shit on his team rn. If he’s what y’all say he is why is Miami good rn. He got talent y’all say, right?
Cuz Miami and GSW aren’t the same team 😂 or system, or have the same personal
@@howitzdone8992And what proves he can thrive with gsw? Jimmy butler is overrated
@ never said he could, Butsaying he can’t be better somewhere else cuz he isn’t playing good RN doesn’t make sense
@@sacred7738saying jimmy would fit better in gsw than Lauri is beyond stupid to me
Yall over rate Jimmy
Some of Jordan points is valid I just think the style of play could work but it’s not the ideal way to win you need the perfect roster and luck involved mavericks last year i felt was more luck than them having the roster to win pj Washington had a crazy shooting series against okc just for them to pull that series off
Facts PJ saved them vs OKC they shouldn’t have won that series, luck is indeed a factor for most runs though.
that fake PJ series still haunts me
They made two WCF in 4 years, so it can't be all luck. Luka is just a scoring beast in the playoffs and only needs a couple of guys to hit 3s to beat you.
As long as u say heliocentric offenses are a valid way of winning, then it’s fair for you to say that there are better ways of winning. And yes luck will always play a factor but I feel like people SHOULD be able to see if a play style is conducive of winning regardless of they actually win it all
Vector Wembamama is the most overrated player in the NBA. Wembamama is a soft 7’5 finesse big.
Wembamama isn’t this generational player & no where close to LeBron level. Vector Wembamama is as soft as the French fries that are made from his hometown France
I already failed no nut November. Anyone else ?
Giannis gotta stay and deal with this. He caused this clown show and now he has to deal with the consequences. He's been pushing Milwaukee ever since 2021.
Pen obsession with Swipa should be studied.
What obsession? 🤣 It's just mad corny to have someone scream over everything you say all episode because their mic is 5DB higher and not lose your mind
@ you was all in the comments just talking about him 😂
@@OccultMaster618I talked about 100 different things.
Loud ass mic is unbearable@@pensarebasketball