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Do this to ROTATE your hips in disc golf backhand (Coil and Pressure Shift)
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2023
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How to rotate faster? The question is good and important, and the answers is quite simple. It's not easy to rotate fast, because it is NOT done by rotating. Instead you need to shift pressure between your legs which then makes hip go back to give way to the other hip.
This is, I believe, the best and the healthiest way to use the hips in the backhand drive.
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One of if not the best way I've seen it explained. It blows my mind how it's actually so simple. Great video!
100% the best coach there is! Hats of.
Thanks!
That Schusterick clip is just perfection. The more I look at it and the more you make the underlying concepts clear to me, the better it gets.
It is pure beauty.
I really can’t emphasize enough how great your simple approach to disc golf form has been for helping me to not just understand but to also feel the correct movements in my form. Just from watching your videos and learning to simplify my form and make it much more efficient I’ve gone from maxing out at 300 ft throws to throwing 400 ft with much less effort and way less wear on my body afterwards. My throws feel so much better and controlled now. Still a lot of work to do, but thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise here for everyone. I for one have definitely benefited!
Thanks, I'm glad I could help!
This is THE BEST explanation of how to do this.
Rotating with the front hip, and having a pressure shift. I feel like this will be huge for me. Thank you
also love the music
When I first started playing DG, I couldn’t feel my hips at all. They weren’t really doing anything, and my throws were almost entirely done by my arm. I then discovered what I will call the “torso twist,” which is turning my trunk during the reach back. That move increased power, but it sometimes pulled me off balance. I also started to think it would cause injury. Your explanation of the proper hip turn makes so much sense and has clear advantages over my old methods (“none” and “way too much”). I’m trying it out today; thanks very much for the video!
I just came back to this video after some time and your explanation of putting your hand between your hip and stomach was a light bulb moment for me. I have now felt what coil feels like. I have always just been turning my back to the target. Amazing explanation. Thank you for the content you teach!
What a beautiful backdrop. Well done!
Thanks for this, I was having back hip and knee issues before I starting working this drill and since working this video and the "reach back" videos things are far less painful.
I really appreciate the details in this one. Going over what not to do, what it looks like incorrectly and then compared to correctly. As others have said, gotta break my current habits, but this is a bit clearer now than it has been. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
Thanks! Remember, there is no perfection. Just to get it good enough will take you a long way, and nobody is going to look as smooth as Will Schusterick in the video anyway.
Nice work here! You're truly making it simpler for people to have solid fundamental form.
A lot of coaches don't ever mention that coiling with the forward tilt really helps keep you from swinging your body around during uncoil. Your example around 4:30 is clear
This is one of the most practical bits of advice I've seen.
Great video as always. One of the best teachers on UA-cam for PROPER form and fundamentals. The whole back foot rotating thing going around on UA-cam right now is ridiculous. Keep up the good work and thank you!
Thanks! It will change, this info is now spreading faster.
Good content 10/10! I'm so happy to have found someone who teaches the important stuff. I have felt like other teachers keep me on an infinity loop of course videos where I don't improve anything. Your videos are the opposite, they just make so much sense. Thank you!
This is so spot on! So hard to untrain my brain to do it though! This is my practice focus right now. Thank you! Gonna release a video of implementing this on Monday I think.
Spin doctor is the best coach on YT. Watching the 1:1 from the start is so refreshing. Efficient educational content delivery.
I threw over 400 with a 1-stepper based simply on the lessons from the few 1 recent 1:1 videos. Even more than that, I had never even truly felt the mechanics of 'letting go of total control' to allow the fast movement needed for a proper swing. The first time it happened I was in shock.
I'm a lot less tired after rounds now too. It turns out that using all of your muscles to throw the disc AND stop your body's momentum is super exhausting and creates terrible shots. Implementing this form and letting physics do the work is insanely satisfying and energy efficient. I'm in love with disc golf all over again.
@ DG Spin Doctor if possible, could you do a video on how to use this type of form in tight wooded courses? I've found that your videos have unlocked my true power potential but I've sacrificed accuracy. Maybe I just need to practice more?
Thank you for your kind words. To control the accuracy you need to keep the sequence but lower the intensity, do less. Less coiling, less reaching back, less speed... but sill maintain the same rythm. It's not easy, and that's why some players excell at wooded courses while some need more space to use their best assets. To handle both types of courses is very rare actually.
@@dgspindoctor thanks for the reply! I'll keep that in mind. I feel that you've been building form from the outside to inside, and top to bottom (fingers, arm, shoulder, chest, and now hips) so I'm looking forward to future videos.
I also wanted to mention that I found your channel right as I began to really over-rotate my hips (you called it the "squash the bug") and I think you've saved my knees from permanent injury. Thanks again
Really great take on a holistic view of the role of the legs in translating ground force into rotation. All my form study has led me to exactly the same place in my understanding of the backhand. really refreshing to agree with someone on this stuff for once!
Nice work J, keep it up!
Spin Doctor for the win
Yeah...Still looking for the first win of my career (outside amateur divisions when I was 17...).
Greatest coach ever. I regret not seeing you when i started 8 months ago, but i always send yours content to my beginner friends.
Thanks so much Jaani, appreciate your ‘keep it simple’ approach and the way you encourage intuitively tuning into the body and movements. I’m new to DG and your videos are so helpful. Appreciate your humour and the music too…. Thank you
I'm still pretty new to disc golf so a lot of this is really hard to make my body do but I'm getting there! You are such a great teacher and I really appreciate your videos!
Another awesome video Jaani! You videos are always spot on and your explanations are great. Shout out to Sidewinder/Seabass22 and the OG video on how the hips work "the ass wipe" drill on the wall. Bass says the same thing. Good player's load the hips just like Jaani and Bass explained.
ty sir, you are a great teacher and disc golf announcer as well
Oh, thank you so much!
I had the opportunity to see you demonstrate this live and was amazed by the simplicity of the execution and how great your form was. Thank you for making me a better discgolfer with your advice!
P.S. Sorry again for falling on you @Drava Forester 😅
Thanks! I was so burnt out, that I still can't believe I could even show up at the tournament in Drava, let alone play. Well, I couldn't. Next time I will enjoy more. :)
I think this is one of your best videos on backhand form. Fantastic work, and thanks for making it.
Another great video. Between this and the moose video, a lot more is starting to make sense. This demonstration made it super clear and easy to understand what's going on.
Just repeating the same thing with different words. I am happy that it clicked with you!
Sometimes the repetition of the same ideas with a different explanation is helpful. This one seems to be "clicking" with my brain and body more. Thanks!
This made a difference. I was doing the sumo style and beginning to train myself to do the spinout with the back leg. You saved me from that, thanks!
Best explanation I've seen for this. I think it's the last piece of my form that I haven't quite figured out.... exactly like you said, after a long round, my lower back is sore.
This video feels like the secrets of the universe have been shared with me.
If you saw Albert Tamm throw at USDGC competition, he is a good example of how coil and power can come even with a barely walking pace of a run-up. He is gifted with height and long arms but the majority of that power is that ability to transfer from back to front foot with a great coil.
Awesome teaching, a great breakdown. I now know what I am doing wrong and what I must do! Thank you.
Thanks for letting me know I could help you!
Fav teacher. Tyty
This is good for standstills. It's what I call "Body Rocking". But this is not practical for what happens with forward momentum on a full walk up. It's hard to keep your weight back with forward momentum. But in an athletic stance you can turn your body away to coil against your back leg, the fire everything forward.
I like your channel a lot, and you're trying to build your brand. That video you referenced of Will Schusterick has its own explanation. What I like about you is a lot of what you preach is bringing the community back to what a lot of the pros have been teaching all these years before the new fad UA-camrs put their stuff up. Keep doing what you're doing.
Thanks. I am heavily against "building a brand" though. I just want to tell people what I think.
This is the exact thing I've been working on the past two weeks! Before I always thought I was coiling when I was really just turning away, and I think that stemmed from a bad cross step in my approach.
You make the best videos on form by far! holy moly. I have learned so much from you. You explain it in a very simple way that makes it easy to understand. keep it up king! :D
Wow, thank you! I will!
Thanks for this! I've been trying to do the diagonal runup for a while with not great results (mostly after watching Joel Freeman's Tutorial), I'll revert to my straight approach making sure to still plant creating the "window"
I’ll work on this. Thanks
I sometimes go look at technique tips on other channels, but it always ends up that my thoughts always get confused about the technique and then I come back to this channel to gather my thoughts on what I need to do to become a better thrower. So, note for myself, stick at this channel.
Good choice.
@@dgspindoctor this is the best choice. Hands down.
Off to practice 🙏🏻
Thank you for the video! As a left handed person you’ve been great about saying Front and Back leg as opposed to Left and Right , except for this video 😅 . Please keep using universal terms, it is appreciated
I try my best, and you don't even know how many cuts and retakes I've made to keep it front and back. Sometimes I just don't notice before it's too late.
Keep it simple is what you do. Great work again Jaani. Keep it up.
Okay, then!
wisdom, footwork is evrything, well done Doc!
Thank you!
Not sure why I haven't subscribed before, but I'm happily subscribed now!
Welcome aboard!
Great explanation !! Easy to understand.
Excellent explanation, thank you!
Amazing explanation! Thanks a million
#1 tutorial. Thank you!
Relly good explained. Nice man🎉
I don't know, generating power from the back leg feels more natural to me.
Just like in boxing, swinging a bat, throwing a ball, power starts from pushing the back leg into the ground driving it through the hips and using the front leg to anchor the movement in some way.
Trying to do everything off the front leg feels like I'm not using everything I got.
Hienoa Jaani! Next episode. How wonderfull is the example video player right foot movement from the ankle. Like a shot put or discus. There is something really cool.
Thanks for another awesome video. Funny timing that I was just watching that video with Shustrick yesterday!
Love the video! Could you do a video on the point from power pocket and on? Do you push with the arm from the pocket or use the momentum to Get the whip effect? And What about release?
Yes, I can. To answer you now, every movement in the arm is more of "gently guiding" than forcing or pushing. And the release should happen also without actively releasing, but letting the disc release.
I have talked about these (I guess) on my video about the Arm.
Best explaination of the "peg Board" applied to dic golf 5:09
I don't know if it's good or bad, but thanks!
@@dgspindoctor I'd say it is a very useful skill for any back hand movement.
I love your videos, thanks 😊🫶
Tykkään kyllä kovasti tyylistäsi ilmaista ! Se jo itsessään auttaa ymmärtää mitä tekee väärin. Toissijainen onnistuuko 35v enää muokkaamaan niin helposti omia kiertoliikkeitään mutta ainakin opetus on oikea :)
Hyvä kysymys, itsekin jo 37 ja vaikeaa on kaikki. Mutta hissukseen!
Another great video!
VERY VERY GOOD VIDEO THANK YOU
Thanks as always, I'm subscribed, love❤ your instructions, keep it up 😊
Good job jaani
5:46 is “The Method” by Brian
Loistavia videoita Jaani. Kiitos välillä suomeksi menee paremmin tajuntaan😂🎉
Pitäisi varmaan perustaa suomelle oma kanava tyystin.
@@dgspindoctortoivottavasti!!!😊
Just found you on UA-cam! Thanks for the info Doc! Easy sub!
Very very good stuff
Awesome video! I'm pretty good at loading into my rear hip in the backswing, but when shifting to my front foot I have trouble pushing down and away. I feel like my front knee is locking out immediately and my hip is going up instead of around. Any tips on how to fix this?
I used to do that on purpose, thinking that was how to brace. Let your lead foot rotate on the ground so your hip can keep turning. It takes some getting used to, but all the greats do it...Drew, Paul, Simon, Calvin, etc!
I find stepping to the ball of the foot and then as the weight transfers to the lead leg lifting the toes slightly and letting your body weight go to the heel will allow the foot to turn naturally without feeling like you have to "try" to turn it works best.
Couldn't have said the better. When the weight and the pressure is on the heel, the rotation happens without you doing anything. And you don't even have to straighten the knee (I am actually doing it too fast), just resist your bodyweight and move the front hip out of the way fo your body.
You are a bad ass bro. This is great
Thank you Doctor spin :)
I'm desperate to get my inactive hips working and nothing has worked because the youtube explanations don't explain the origin of the mechanics. This looks different, yet simple. Time to try this in the living room then some field work as soon as the rain stops.
I hope this works for you! Please, do tell me once you got the data.
You are bang on about everything in this video, excellent content!
For your next video you should talk about HOW to accomplish what you discuss in this video. Specially about what your off arm is doing to drive down into your front leg. This is by far the hardest to learn to throw and it took me a really long time, but once you figure out how to use your off arm to generate that power into your front leg by driving down, it's inevitable you will throw farther with almost no effort. I can throw a putter 280 ft without even trying now. But timing the off arm to come forward and drive down into your front leg while simultaneously still extending is awkward and difficult to learn. I would suggest some drills (especially stand still, while keeping throwing arm very loose)
Thanks. To answer your question, the off arm has nothing to do with driving the force down. That is also the reason I haven't made any videos on the off arm. I simple don't see the importance other than it can slow you down, if you don't keep it tucked to your body. I throw putters 350ft and have never learned to use my rear arm to do it.
@@dgspindoctor Keeping it tucked/consciously driving it down accomplishes the same thing. There are so many amateurs that bring their off arm way up in the air when they turn their shoulders back, and that's what slows them down. It's impossible to get your off arm tucked inwards and create snap/lag if it's going back with your throwing arm.
The positioning of the off arm and focusing on it during the throw was incredibly helpful for me in getting that extra effortless distance. It's not talked about enough IMO
The off arm will naturally do what it needs to do. There is no secret move it does. The less you try and do with it the better
Okay, well we have to agree to disagree. I think it's talked way too much, and at this point I feel there is no need for me to add a video saying it's not important.
This is actually what I think, too. But couldn't have said it better.
I often end with a hurting lower back when going practise rounds with little pause brtween throws. I guess this explains some of it. Will start to work on these points.
If there is pain, you need to work on it in the gym somehow. Of course correct moves on the course help prevent the pain, too.
Leaning into the shot can help. Just keep all the momentum moving forward and in line towards the target.
Exactly!
Thanks doc!
At your service.
So a good drill is what Will is doing with his standstill? Thanks for explaining this!
Yes, the one stepper is the best way to learn the backhand in general.
@@dgspindoctor That might be amazing tip in itself. I learned with standstill at first, now I'm getting some kind of form with x step but I never focused on 1-2 steppers. I will try asap ;)
Everything happens in the last stride, the x-step is just for momentum anyway.
Good Man
Maybe not good, but the best I can.
Helpful 👍
Sling shot and overthrow just got schooled 😄
Brilliant video as always 👍🏻
Slingshot got schooled yes, but overthrow not. See the hulahula drill from overthrow and you'll see, they teach the exact same.
@@loreno1317 I strongly disagree, no thanks. You keep watching him if you think it's the same teaching as this.
@@zyntax81 ok. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are spreading false rumours about overthrow. In the hullahulla drill they use the exact same concept as here: straighten backleg(push backleg down)->swing back(coil), straighten frontleg(push front leg down)->uncoil/throw. Exactly like in this video.
@@loreno1317 Like i said, keep watching Hula Hula if you think that. Don't mix up oppinions with facts. Now lets focus on mr spin doctor instead.
@@zyntax81 why do you want to focus on 1 teacher only? Its better if multiple experts say the same thing, then just one. thats exactly the reason, why you shouldnt listen to somebody like slingshot, because its just 1 man saying he knows the truth better then others. Its exactly what dg spindoctor wouldnt want you to do. On the other hand does dg spindoctor,overthrow dg and for example ace it dg teach the same concepts for the lower body. This gives me trust, that the concept is right.
At about the 4:45 mark, you say that we get our left (back) hip coiled by bracing that back leg, right?
Trying to determine if i should stay on my toes and coil by moving my left hip back with my waist or brace back and then brace front to rotate
Thank you
would love to see a putting video!
I try to make one when I get back home this summer.
That facing the buttcheeks advice actually increased my standstill distance by 50 ft. How did i not know this?
Yes, it gives your arm and shoulders more space and some rotational force too. Pretty nice?
I do a ton of bodybuilding and powerlifting training. Now WHY ON EARTH HAS NO-ONE TOLD ME BEFORE that I can think about putting pressure on my left leg, then on my right leg to COIL MY HIP. As rotating the hip is something I definately don't want to happen during my workouts it has been so difficult for me to do before this tip.
We watch too much disc golf videos, too little ball golf instructions.
Spin doc 🙌
hey Jaani revisiting this one, after your take on the "Wunderkind". I have been going over your videos about the hip rotation and you talk about pushing down and back... And I understand it, however my body doesn't, do you have a simple drill do to to teach the stupid body? Thanks for an outstanding channel, I love it.
Hope you enjoy it! I think you just have to find the right muscles. Skier hops are a great way to strengthen the side butt muscles. Or if you just stand on your straight brace leg, push yourself up and find the hip.
@@dgspindoctor I'll give it a try. thanks Would love to throw as smooth as you do, I'd never get your distance or anything but the smoothness man. Looks so cool
Oh, thanks! I never thought I'm smooth, especially with this very limited mobility of mine... :)
I love you!
Okay!
Can you do a video about the proper throw technique from beginning to end?
Propably could. I'll see what I can do.
My hips dont lie
I can do this in a stand sill throw but mess it up with the x step. Do you have a drill for this with x step?
I have to make a video on the walk-up. In the meantime, train one steppers first, then add to it.
I been working on this lately. But in some throws it feels like i dont push my left butt forward ending up just pushing sideways with my left leg. Any tip to do it easier?
I've had a massive boost in power since moving from Spin-n-Throw to Slingshot Disc Golf methods.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but the big breakthrough for me was postponing my upper body coil until after x-step and completing my reachback as the lead foot comes down. I feel a definite drive off the back leg to initiate the weight transfer. Now when I do a standstill, it's 90%+ weight on the back foot, and not pushing that knee down, rather it drops on it's own due to the hip rotation initiated by driving of the back leg.
In the example footage of Will that you used, his feet are in line with the target, rather than staggered like he's standing on train tracks, so he's only working on rotation, rather than power. His knee drops due to rotation, but his back foot is slipping because he is drifting to create weight transfer rather pushing off the ball of his back foot. It's a useful drill, but it leaves a lot of power on the table. I got another 75-100 feet by initiating the weight transfer from the ground up.
Thanks for watching.
I think what you consider a drive off the back leg is what spin doctor considers the transfer of weight from the back leg to the front leg that rotates the hips. You'll notice that Will plants with his knees both directly under him so he's not leaving any power on the table, in fact his weight shift is so fast and sudden that's he's "driving off the left leg" in an instant and is able to make a fast rotation of his hips that ends up propelling the disc out of his hand.
@@dgspindoctor You're very welcome, and thank you for the great content!
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How much coiling casual older player can achieve without gym/building muscles? One instructor mentioned it takes about an year.
Is that more like you have it or you don't and there is nothing like small coiling that basically anyone can start with? The position seems very weird to me and I feel my body is afraid to give so much pressure to front leg and probably will end to sumo stance also with a bit sore hips and knee. The enjoyable style to throw is more like running thru tee. It just feels nice. I have thrown to 90-100m with understable and gliding drivers for like 15 years now since I started and seems it's impossible to gain even few extra meters just with hand. Too bad there weren't much good instruction material 10 years ago. All 'easy' drivers land to about same exact distance.
Coiling is not a about contracting the muscles. It does not take strength. Some mobility, sure, but it's mostly about letting loose and finding what muscles to relax and when.
Until the throwing a backhand and a forehand are studied scientifically there will be endless debate, without resolution.
The options for energy are
Linear (back leg as piston)
Elastic potential of muscles (coil)
Pendulum (hip rock)
Pogo stick (pushing down-pushing up with legs)
Conservation of momentum #1, arms out, in, out like figure skater
Conservation of momentum #2 the whip of the arm with a stop/brace to maximize acceleration.
All are valid. All matter. AND... humans vary:
Different body shapes, mobility, strength, fast vs slow muscle fibers, conditioning...
This means that what is simple for one person is difficult for another.
This sport is a long way from finding THE best way.
And you think there's simply nothing we can learn from other sports or general laws of physics, so it's all a stab in the dark and everyone is equally correct? Maybe throwing from a handstand is the best way? Or holding the disc in your teeth? Who knows, since it's not studied.
Thanks for watching.
A lot of people I play with and teach are stuck in old bad habits. What's the best way to break down the bad habits so they have room to learn new stuff?
Heavy exaggeration to the other end. Then, little by little look for the golden middle.
Can you validate then that its the hip thats shifting the weight from back to front? I was talking with my friend on this and I've heard you say what "isnt" doing the shift like the legs or the low back, but I haven't heard you say " shift your weight forward and down using your hip"
Hips. There are two hips, on both legs. And of course you use the hips to move your weight, but the point is not to move the pelvis sideways, but to spread your legs and push the front leg to the ground. Can you move your legs without using the hips? No, of course not.
@@dgspindoctor maybe my comment came off poorly but I’m enjoying your content but just was looking for specificity. Thank you!
What was that song in background with MLK sample?
You know I had an opportunity to start teaching my niece DG (13y old, no experience of any discs). But im kinda at loss in order to what to teach first. My natural inclination was to teach the "whip" first (or you know the Savela "just throw it" thing). Then weight transfer etc. But im not sure. Idont want to f it up. How would you go about it?
Let her throw and have fun. If she really, really wants to learn the right way fast, maybe just plant and whip. That is the way for anyone, really.
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I'm just recovering from an Achilles tendon surgery and have only been throwing stand still so far. What would you recommend as the best way to incorporate this into my swing?
I have no expertise on rehab and recovery, so I wouldn't give any specific instruction. But for learning the backhand, I would focus on the one stepper, just like the one Will Schusterick is showing in the picture.
@@dgspindoctor Thanks! That's what I was looking for. What I should have asked was how to incorporate this move in a throw that doesn't use a run/walk up. So I will start doing the one step.
Question about x-step vs standstill
I practice the motions just long enough to get the feel with a standstill, then I switch to x-step. Is this what you'd recommend, or am I better off sticking with a standstill until I can reliably do it?
One stepper is the best form of practice. The x-step is nothing but gaining momentum for the stride.
@@dgspindoctor thank you! Do you have a video of this? I'm 99% sure I know what this is, but just curious.
No, but I will make one someday.
Thanks again! You got any 1on1 coaching sessions on sale?
Once I'm in Finland, then yes.