@@chaningdodson4245 Painting really didn't psy the bills. At the time, someone working with their hands was considered a craftsman, like a bricklayer., carpenter, etc. Therefore, few signed their work.. But some could see Leonardo was special, adored by kings. Leonsrdo sought commissions to pay the bills, but the real money was in designing machines of war. People mistake laziness for overactive mind, Leonardo had too many thoughts and research to do than spend it in front of a canvas/block/wall. The Last Supper, for example, has an anecdotal account. Leonardo comes riding into the workplace in a world wind, climbs the scaffolding, makes a mark, then immediately leaves, not to return for weeks. Also, Leonardo painted with his hands, so experts have his fingerprints. A student painting at his workshop might have the master Leonardo visit the work in progress, and add a touch (correction) with his own hands, so technically it becomes a collaboration and therefore a Leonardo work of art. Restorers today don't paint over originals. Restorers of the past may have, but only if there were damages. What covers the painting is centuries of grime, soot, mold,etc. Plus the original varnish. Varnish was usually applied as a protective layer on paintings, but UV radiation discolors it over the years. Salvador Mundi was a popular motif, and many artists and art studios took a stab at it. There is a written record that Leonardo did one, and perhaps a second. Also that his favorite pupil did a copy of Leonardo's while he had access to it. Misattribution s a reason works of art are "discovered"centuries later. The were pined to another artist by mistake.
@@popcornisfromcorn : Yes. I wrote earlier "Artists often paint over their own works for a lot of reasons, and the art term for this is 'pentimento' which translates to repentance in Italian. Someone starts a painting and says ah shit, let me start over and to save time or money uses the same canvas. It doesn't mean that someone else painted over it...anyway, happens all the time."
im waiting for uncle joey to show up and be like "joe rogan you gotta turn that sign off behind you dog...im too high and that shits burnin into my eyeballs"
@dick dickerson you really think that spotify can dictate who can be on Joe’s podcast ? Joey Diaz said it himself on his own podcast that joe wanted him on when he moved to Texas. He’s most likely gonna be on when he’s out promoting the Sopranos movie.
When these old masters were originally painted, the paint was flat and dull until they were varnished. That was the last step in the process. The varnish made the colors pop and also protected the painting. Over time the varnish would darken and get covered with smoke and dust until the painting could hardly be seen. Then it would be time to carefully clean off the old varnish, touch up any worn or damaged areas and revarnish. For a 500 year old picture this may have been done 3 or 4 times, maybe more. The painting may have suffered more or less damage depending on how it was stored and displayed and how skillful the restorations were over the years. This one was in bad condition and required a lot of careful work.
Varnish kind of harmonizes the surface. The different colors were made from different substances, and would reflect the light differently because of texture of the substances. It's works a little like this... Imagine a clear jar filled with broken clear glass. The various facets of the broken glass scatter the light it reflects. In the jar the broken glass looks white. Pour water into the jar of broken glass and it becomes clear because the light is no longer reflected as scattered.
@@Joe_baba A red streak of paint on a white canvas will sell for 20 million as a tax writeoff but people will just say you just don't understand art maaaannn
@@warlauk7249 the people who buy art are mostly buying it for investment. A painting worth 2 million today will be worth 10 million in 10 years. It’s not about the art when it comes to the purchase of it. That’s what people don’t understand
I had an interesting conversation with a top painting conservator. I asked her when an extensive restoration becomes a new picture? She whispered back to me ‘That’s the million dollar question all major galleries and museums are scared to ask themselves. Some old master paintings are so heavily restored are they now considered original?’
I was yacht crew for a few years. Working on boats 70-100m. Most boats of that size have paintings on board and they are always behind climate control bullet proof glass/cases. Also most boats of that size also have 2-4 PMC's on board. (ex special forces). One boat I worked on had 200m+ worth of paintings on board.
The last line Rogan said was told to me by my mother when I was a child, but she used a different example. She would always warn me not cheat in my tests. She once said: "If you put so much effort in successfully cheating, you'd rather put the same effort in actually studying for your test and eliminate the chance for being caught."
@@yasirakram2751 And your point is what? This depiction is similar to DVs last supper work. There's no question what the subject matter is. Jesus' eye color and skin tone isn't really relevant here.
Or the Saudi guy needed to buy some Russian weapons but that was a lot of money to move without someone noticing so the receipt is for the painting he bought from the Russian Oligarch and now "Oh noo.. this nuclear missile - I mean PAINTING that I bought for half a billion, it might not be authentic? Darn. Oh well.."
If no one is able to even tell the difference between a genuine da Vinci painting and some random nobody's, not even the experts, then why are his paintings so valuable in the first place? The whole art industry is nothing but money laundering.
Honestly this is how all major paintings from history are. They have been repainted, small details, large details, over the centuries by so many differently people. And the person "restoring" it is honestly just doing the same thing. With the technology we have, x rays, we can see through the painting and like Joe said, see the layers. But the restoration isn't just wiping off recent layers. That's not usually possible for the entire painting. So people do what others have for centuries... They repaint over it, but usually with the original in mind, and try to as closely as possible match the latest layer to that.
Why are people calling it "the male mona lisa". Its jesus. He is doing the "blessing" gesture whit his hand. The name of the painting is "salvator mundi" wich means the savior of the world
We had a guy doing something similar in the UK years ago putting together old relics, art and sculptures in his garden shed and then selling them on as authentic pieces to collectors and museums and then laughing about it with his mates down the pub.
U seem like someone who is ambitious and goal oriented, and thought we could be good friends if you don’t mind. Let me properly introduce myself to you. My names are ( Esq. Anne Bryone.jnr) I’m a Probate Lawyer by profession and also work with (Keystone Law Group, P.C Law Firm here in Los Angeles. It’s my pleasure meeting you here. I sincerely want to seek for your support and cooperation about something important. Can I go on??
That’s entirely possible. An analysis of the painting showed that the techniques used in the Salvatore Mundi are similar to the techniques used on the Mona Lisa. It could have been Da Vinci or someone whom he passed his techniques on to.
@@pepinho89 If I remember correctly, I once read somewhere that Da Vinci's assistants were sometimes tasked with producing work in his style for clients who weren't as well-monied as some of his other patrons. It was a pretty common practice at the time. They also sometimes did "fill-in" work on paintings in which he'd produced the rendering of the main subject but didn't have time to do the broader border work.
@@hammurabiofbabylon8035 Can we talk one on one via email or hangouts...you should know that chatting via the comment box is really stressful. Do you wish I send my email across to you so that talk ?
In my opinion, DaVinci is the most talented and perhaps the smartest person to ever live. 450mil is crazy for a painting but I think his works are priceless
Joe Rogan your uncle Vinny was smart. My father used to say basically the same thing to me all the time. "If I use the same amount of effort you do doing bad things, to do legitimate stuff, you would be unstoppable"... Well(as a recovering addict) I've been sober for 8 years now, my dad's been dead for three, and I'm doing very well for myself. Let's just leave it at that.
@@lobosolo2884 I literally did just that and saw a video of this fat guy dressed like a homeless person dancing around and making weird noises into a microphone calling it “music” . He’s trash.
Just watched a video of Conor McGregor answering fan questions, he got asked if he’s ever going to go on the Joe Rogan podcast and said he’d love to!! MAKE IT HAPPEN JOE!!!
Well Joe, when a painting is restored, nobody just paints over it. The restaurateur (in this case a lady named Dianne Modestini) uses a few steps to restore the original. One needs to know first, that most painters finish a painting with varnish. If the painting is than later painted over, you have already 3 layers. one color, one varnish and another layer of color. In the case of the Salvator Mundi (thats what the painting is called) had 4 layers. The first 2 were easy to remove, since they were relatively new. The 3rd layer was an old varnish, which can be removed using a certain chemical that doesn't affect the actual painting. Tecnically we'd have to say the painting had 5 layers since it was overpainted partially by DaVinci himself. The thumb was painted twice and changed in ankle. The brosche in the middle was moved further to the left. How ever, the restaurateur now only partially enhanced the existing colors. This happens with a magnifying glas and lot's of time. 6 years she took to finish this one. Now, when you look close at the painting, you'll see little cracklings. The original color had been breaking into a billion pieces when the oil had dryed out. Al these little pieces are treated individually. Thos keeping the look and appearance. But the colors are enhanced and brought to better light. After all a fresh warnish will be applied. Oh ans, I don't think there is any controversy. More than 100 experts in the field of DaVinci classification, restauration and analytica have agreed that it's the masters hand who has been painting this. The resamblance to the hair of St John the Baptist in every possible way. Shading, tone, tecnique, brush stroke, depth and so on. This is most likely an original.
I love that portrait , I once took a heroic dose of mushrooms and was looking thru art when I stumbled on this one, as I stared I turned and stared in the mirror and seen the that portrait withing myself, shifting from a Jesus like figure and then to a devil type figure. It was so crazy and beautiful to experience that.
I, and few others in this world know this to be true. But because we are so few, and very far between, normally we find it's useless to speak about these things in public fora, as most people would be too ignorant or intellectually incompetent to understand. That is not to say that we understand, though some of us may, it is instead to say that we are at least aware of an underlying implication in Da Vinci's works (as well as Michaelangelo and a few others) that is not immediately obvious, but hidden, and to be discovered by those with the faculties to discover. That said, though I may disagree with our like inviting the greater public fora to insights not readily seen, it is refreshing to find a taller structure (such as yourself) here and there on the topography of awareness, where all else stands flat and ignorant.
Geometric shapes are the foundation and basis of our physical reality. That’s is why. But they are usually found in rough representations. It’s uncommon to see perfectly symmetric geometric shapes.
Judging by the appalling lack of investigative journalism now, I’m guessing that Kashoggi uncovered something about the impending global pandemic and it’s obvious ulterior motives. Essentially, “he knew too much”
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@@danielmullaney2069 Yeah I know. But you and I know that getting a good conversation via the comment section it’s really stressful and annoying. So it will be preferable if we get talking via email or hangouts. It’s better that way.
I’m digging the stoner tiki bar feel a lot more than the previous high tech background. I didn’t hate it like some but as a fan since the snow was coming down this feels more fitting.
I think he is speaking of Wolfgang Beltracchi. That guy painted amazing stuff. one of his fake paintings made it on the cover of christies. an auction house for the most expensive paintings. He has his own doc on netflix so i hoped jamie would talk about it.
Joe you have the most interesting video podcast that's out! I always come away learning something new. You always try to find the facts about every topic you discuss and you are genuine. I applaud you for having one of the most knowledgeable video cast in the game 💯🙏🏾
This is why the modern art world is so ridiculous. The only question should be: is the painting itself a masterpiece? Shouldn’t matter who actually painted it. Whomever painted it should be secondary issue. But the modern art world is more concerned with who may or may not have painted it rather than the quality of the painting itself. They are so far up their own asses……
The Mona Lisa is Leonardo Da Vinci when he was young. Also it's actually about 4 paintings each one is a mathematical code and all layers are part of the code. That's how freaking smart he was. By far no one comes close to how smart he was. Remember the artificial heart is his invention. Also the tank he wrote many books many was destroyed. When he was dying he was trying to finish writing a book. He had a favor to flight. It is said when he was child in the crib and bird landed on his face and that's where has passion or obsession with flight came from
They talked about this painting for 10 minutes and not once did they mention represents Jesus Christ. Or, that Salvator Mundi means savior of the world. Shows the world we live in.
@@rhyscory3337 I would never. But if I did I would 100% back the company since they provide easy access to millions of hit songs from your favorite artists streamed seamlessly any device as well as your favorite podcasts. This is provided at a low low price of $9.99/month. This comment was sponsored by Spotify.
I've never been into paintings, I always thought rich people are crazy for spending millions on such meaningless items but to each their own as they say.
High art in tax evasion. Say a wealthy person has to pay 2 million in taxes, they will buy some art for a few grand and get one of their art appraisals buddies to value it at 2 million then they donate and write off their tax for the year.
What if this is all a scam? A group of people make a painting to resemble Leo's work and have it be the male version of probably the most famous painting ever because that'll obviously get attention. Sell it for 1,175 because that's good easy money for a painting scam. The painting gets lost throughout time with its many owners, and now it got to a place in time where its surrounded by people who think it's real...word gets around now the masses believe it's real. We all know the art industry is shady af.
The fact that I was alive in 2005, live New Orleans, and that thing was for sale for that cheap makes me angry at myself for missing it lol. Even tho I am not interested nor have ever been interested in owning pieces of art 😂
Anybody that pays 400 or 450 million dollars for a painting should have their head examined. This reflects the greatest depth of human character flaws.
This painting was not done by the master Leonardo. The eyes are crooked, the neck is blurry, there should be blue between the thumb and forefinger from the blue robe. The orb is all wrong it shows no distortion. Leonardo would never have made simple mistakes like this. The Prince got scammed.
Rogan is so inspirational bc if he can half make it in comedy then i can make it in something too. Its not just that hes unfunny, a guest will say something funny, Joe just talks right through it.
Did you see the one theo von interview where Joe kept making rude comments and acting irritated at theo? I know theo has been on a few times but in one of the interviews you could clearly tell he was annoying Joe pretty much the whole interview
He’s a more successful podcaster than comedian. Most of his specials are low budget, and small. Now that he’s a great podcaster his shows get more people bc he’s joe rogan. Just like how there are comedic actors who only draws a crowd bc they were a funny person on a show or movie.
have never found the Mona Lisa to be attractive in terms of being an exemplar of feminine beauty, and yes I've seen it (assuming the Louvre actually displays the real painting and not a duplicate). Maybe this would be the explanation - that the Mona Lisa is off-putting - that the Mona Lisa is essentially what would now be regarded as a transsexual depiction
The mona lisa got famous because it was stolen from the museum and was later found again, nobody cared about it before that, that's the only reason it's famous
our conception of beauty changes throughout the ages... nobody found big lips beautiful in morocco during the spanish revolution because they were a sign of having a loose vagina lmao now big lips are plastered everywhere
I am going to let you in on the world of art of the nowadays - level of painters is such now that every few years a masterpiece of a known genius will be popping out of nowhere on the market and it will be authenticated to a full extent with all due diligence and proper insurance.
The authenticators, just like the medical experts of today, are all frauds on the take. I wouldn’t buy a coloring book based on their stamps of approval.
@@ToastyChud Walter issacson did one of Napoleon?? I think all of isaacs biographies are amazing, I’ve read Steve jobs, Franklin, and de Vinci, on Einstein right meow. The paintings and pictures in De Vinci were awesome.
@@genzcurmudgeon8037 Andrew Roberts bio of napoleon I'd really recommend if you like biographies. a must read. and his one of Churchill is equally good. I read isaacs steve jobs and like it but yeah i just wasn't as interested in the da vinci one. maybe i need to go back to it.
@@ToastyChud The Steve jobs was quite interesting because it was within our lifetime. More relatable for sure especially since we can watch videos of the guy. Where as we don’t even have a photograph of Da Vinci. Either way he’s a great writer and I’ve enjoyed his work.
The only thing more baller than showing off a painting and saying it’s by DaVinci, is showing someone a painting and casually saying “idk, it might be DaVinci, they’re not really sure lol.” Then that person knows you spent millions on a “maybe” and aren’t even sweating it
@@leafodan3730 some artist keep records of paintings they painted so there is times some one buys a painting then people don't know where that painting is.even though they knew it existed
That guy who made fake Picassos painting is probably gonna be the new pablo in years cause at the time of piccaos or Leonardo they weren t labelled as the famous men like today
there's so many ways to get rich in this world. value is whatever someone is willing to pay. I had 66,000 doge coins at .007 cents and sold at .009 cents and lost that 600 dollars in a week...it's now worth north of 45k....
To be fair, Da Vinci painted over his own paintings, often over the course of decades. He rarely considered anything “ finished”.
He also had his pupils paint most of his paintings.... most of da Vinci art was not done by his hand
He was also extremely lazy. Thats why
@@chaningdodson4245 Painting really didn't psy the bills. At the time, someone working with their hands was considered a craftsman, like a bricklayer., carpenter, etc. Therefore, few signed their work.. But some could see Leonardo was special, adored by kings.
Leonsrdo sought commissions to pay the bills, but the real money was in designing machines of war.
People mistake laziness for overactive mind, Leonardo had too many thoughts and research to do than spend it in front of a canvas/block/wall. The Last Supper, for example, has an anecdotal account. Leonardo comes riding into the workplace in a world wind, climbs the scaffolding, makes a mark, then immediately leaves, not to return for weeks.
Also, Leonardo painted with his hands, so experts have his fingerprints. A student painting at his workshop might have the master Leonardo visit the work in progress, and add a touch (correction) with his own hands, so technically it becomes a collaboration and therefore a Leonardo work of art.
Restorers today don't paint over originals. Restorers of the past may have, but only if there were damages. What covers the painting is centuries of grime, soot, mold,etc. Plus the original varnish. Varnish was usually applied as a protective layer on paintings, but UV radiation discolors it over the years.
Salvador Mundi was a popular motif, and many artists and art studios took a stab at it. There is a written record that Leonardo did one, and perhaps a second. Also that his favorite pupil did a copy of Leonardo's while he had access to it.
Misattribution s a reason works of art are "discovered"centuries later. The were pined to another artist by mistake.
good canvas was expensive back in the day
@@popcornisfromcorn : Yes. I wrote earlier "Artists often paint over their own works for a lot of reasons, and the art term for this is 'pentimento' which translates to repentance in Italian. Someone starts a painting and says ah shit, let me start over and to save time or money uses the same canvas. It doesn't mean that someone else painted over it...anyway, happens all the time."
I’m calling it now. The Bro-na Lisa.
That's hilarious
Lol good comment
Or the Man-a Lisa
You’re a GENIUS. 👍🏼
“Brendan Schaub gives Randall a High Five”
Joe Rogan studio looks like a steakhouse. He should have a steakhouse called, the Joe rogan's steakhouse
Elkhouse
JREATS
Quickest way to go broke in Texas, open a steakhouse.
Pretty sure he has game meat there too so technically it is a steakhouse
Do not be ridiculous! It will be called JRE and will serve exclusively wild game meat!
Joe should go down rabbit holes once a week cause it never fails to be entertaining
I'm in favor of that idea! I love listening to people go down these proverbial "rabbit holes"! 👌
*Who misses the full shows on UA-cam?*
You can still find quite a few full episodes
I miss em on UA-cam as well, just as easy to watch em free on Spotify
Half of the shows he does now would be removed for "disinfo"
Full shows free on Spotify. Just sign up. No subscription fee
Why would anyone pay 4.5 Joe Rogan Spotify contracts for a painting?
For 1.0 tax writeoff(s)
@@warlauk7249 dude is the Crown Prince he does not give a fuck about tax write offs.
@@fredk6992 touché
Hahahaha
Paint by day, joe rogan podcast all night, all day!
im waiting for uncle joey to show up and be like "joe rogan you gotta turn that sign off behind you dog...im too high and that shits burnin into my eyeballs"
"Eyebawls"
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When you’ve been listening to Joey Diaz for so long that he’s now the voice of reason in your brain 😂😂
@@hombre2581 is Joey Diaz even in Texas?
@dick dickerson you really think that spotify can dictate who can be on Joe’s podcast ? Joey Diaz said it himself on his own podcast that joe wanted him on when he moved to Texas. He’s most likely gonna be on when he’s out promoting the Sopranos movie.
I love these kinds of conversations. Joes doing a good job at finding interesting content like this. 👍
Appreciate the insight guys!
He's monologuing, and rightly so, his guest is not bright
When these old masters were originally painted, the paint was flat and dull until they were varnished. That was the last step in the process. The varnish made the colors pop and also protected the painting.
Over time the varnish would darken and get covered with smoke and dust until the painting could hardly be seen. Then it would be time to carefully clean off the old varnish, touch up any worn or damaged areas and revarnish. For a 500 year old picture this may have been done 3 or 4 times, maybe more. The painting may have suffered more or less damage depending on how it was stored and displayed and how skillful the restorations were over the years. This one was in bad condition and required a lot of careful work.
Varnish kind of harmonizes the surface. The different colors were made from different substances, and would reflect the light differently because of texture of the substances. It's works a little like this...
Imagine a clear jar filled with broken clear glass. The various facets of the broken glass scatter the light it reflects. In the jar the broken glass looks white. Pour water into the jar of broken glass and it becomes clear because the light is no longer reflected as scattered.
I remember when Joe couldn’t even center his headphones and now look at him.
😂
Our lil' boy's all growed up!
Or should I say .... Joe "our lil' boy's all growed up" Rogan
@@Crackhouts "growed" up lol wtf
HAHAHAHAHAHAH I remember this
The fact that a painting that might not be Leonardo’s work went for 100’s of millions of dollars just proves that he’s the goat
It shows that the art business is full of shit
Yeah he was great in the titanic
@@Joe_baba A red streak of paint on a white canvas will sell for 20 million as a tax writeoff but people will just say you just don't understand art maaaannn
Better than Tesla? Probably
I wish I knew more about him.
@@warlauk7249 the people who buy art are mostly buying it for investment. A painting worth 2 million today will be worth 10 million in 10 years. It’s not about the art when it comes to the purchase of it. That’s what people don’t understand
Dig the new background. Much better.
He said was doing it but crybabys wouldn't stop crying about it
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100%. Although i loved the "red pill" tribute.
Reminds me of a Texas road house
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I had an interesting conversation with a top painting conservator. I asked her when an extensive restoration becomes a new picture? She whispered back to me ‘That’s the million dollar question all major galleries and museums are scared to ask themselves. Some old master paintings are so heavily restored are they now considered original?’
It's crazy how this channel has turned into JRE Clips
Yea
I was yacht crew for a few years. Working on boats 70-100m. Most boats of that size have paintings on board and they are always behind climate control bullet proof glass/cases. Also most boats of that size also have 2-4 PMC's on board. (ex special forces). One boat I worked on had 200m+ worth of paintings on board.
No pressure captain. But if you hit a storm & sink….. your effffed
The last line Rogan said was told to me by my mother when I was a child, but she used a different example. She would always warn me not cheat in my tests. She once said: "If you put so much effort in successfully cheating, you'd rather put the same effort in actually studying for your test and eliminate the chance for being caught."
nice to hear from you
That painting
Is called the “Salvatore Mundi”, Savior of the World and is a depiction of Jesus Christ.
Lol that's what I though too
ahh so mona lisa is girl jesus. gotit
But the only problem is jesus was a coloured man
@@yasirakram2751 And your point is what? This depiction is similar to DVs last supper work. There's no question what the subject matter is. Jesus' eye color and skin tone isn't really relevant here.
@@kyledieterich5020 why paint him white when he was not
Money laundering, not a Da Vinci.
For real.
Or the Saudi guy needed to buy some Russian weapons but that was a lot of money to move without someone noticing so the receipt is for the painting he bought from the Russian Oligarch and now "Oh noo.. this nuclear missile - I mean PAINTING that I bought for half a billion, it might not be authentic? Darn. Oh well.."
@@DerekMoore82 Highly possible.
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說到食物，不要以為那些被拒絕的人只吃垃圾。相反，他們學會了在被忽視的肉類和蔬菜中尋找營養。他們學會了清潔，切塊，調味和慢燉慢燉的野菜和肉類，在食品市場上被忽略的部分家用蔬菜和肉類，並且學會了使用芳香的木煙（如山核桃，山核桃和豆科灌木
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nice to hear from you
If no one is able to even tell the difference between a genuine da Vinci painting and some random nobody's, not even the experts, then why are his paintings so valuable in the first place? The whole art industry is nothing but money laundering.
You can find out its authenticity by dating the materials used..
it really is just a money laundering front for the elites. it’s wild
Lol because they weren't random nobodies but his apprentices at his studio!
nice to hear from you
It's how the rich save money on taxes and make shady deals
Honestly this is how all major paintings from history are. They have been repainted, small details, large details, over the centuries by so many differently people. And the person "restoring" it is honestly just doing the same thing. With the technology we have, x rays, we can see through the painting and like Joe said, see the layers. But the restoration isn't just wiping off recent layers. That's not usually possible for the entire painting. So people do what others have for centuries... They repaint over it, but usually with the original in mind, and try to as closely as possible match the latest layer to that.
Joe Rogan: “What’s his name, MBS, what’s the full name?”
Reggie Watts: “Probably Brian Saunders”
So random 😂
Mr Brian Saunders.
😂😂
Everyone knows it's Mohammed Bone-Saw
More BS (´-﹏-`；)😎
Why are people calling it "the male mona lisa". Its jesus. He is doing the "blessing" gesture whit his hand. The name of the painting is "salvator mundi" wich means the savior of the world
For real. I have no idea when "male mona lisa" caught on, it if ever did. Seems like Joe is the only one calling it that.
@@Thleta yah, and this painting has been know for a long time. And never as a male mona lisa
@@Thleta he explains in the video why it's called that
Jesus lol that’s cesare borgia
@@Massproduce201 the pope?
We had a guy doing something similar in the UK years ago putting together old relics, art and sculptures in his garden shed and then selling them on as authentic pieces to collectors and museums and then laughing about it with his mates down the pub.
That was an episode of minder as well.
@@iandixon7641 That's probably where he got the idea from, I think he started around 1990.
RIP Chris Cornell. Legend
I am fortunate enough to have seen Soundgarden 2 weeks before.
HE DIDN'T COMMIT SUICIDE ..THEY KILLED HIM
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Love the Soundgarden T shirt. SG for life, man.
RIP Chris Cornell. One of my fave singers all time.
A Hindu Pandu listening to Soundgarden?? 😂😂
Bad Motor Finger!
@@jaysaviod9581 you are a very sad, sad person
@xannyphantom you misspelled "murdered."
Someone needs to tell Joe that art restoration is a huge thing.
The title made me think this was some woke thing where we're now questioning the gender of Mona Lisa.
Odds are that the painting was made by two of Da Vinci's assistants. Which still places it in "really expensive" territory, economically-speaking.
U seem like someone who is ambitious and goal oriented, and thought we could be good friends if you don’t mind.
Let me properly introduce myself to you. My names are ( Esq. Anne Bryone.jnr) I’m a Probate Lawyer by profession and also work with (Keystone Law Group, P.C Law Firm here in Los Angeles.
It’s my pleasure meeting you here.
I sincerely want to seek for your support and cooperation about something important. Can I go on??
That’s entirely possible. An analysis of the painting showed that the techniques used in the Salvatore Mundi are similar to the techniques used on the Mona Lisa. It could have been Da Vinci or someone whom he passed his techniques on to.
@@pepinho89 If I remember correctly, I once read somewhere that Da Vinci's assistants were sometimes tasked with producing work in his style for clients who weren't as well-monied as some of his other patrons. It was a pretty common practice at the time. They also sometimes did "fill-in" work on paintings in which he'd produced the rendering of the main subject but didn't have time to do the broader border work.
@@annebryony1406 go on...
@@hammurabiofbabylon8035 Can we talk one on one via email or hangouts...you should know that chatting via the comment box is really stressful. Do you wish I send my email across to you so that talk ?
Happy Saturday from Sioux Falls South Dakota
Thanks Mark
What's up mark
maundy thursday
Thanks bro
What's the coolest thing to do in Dakota?
Who else is watching these short episodes wishing they could watch the whole thing but wont download the app?
ur wishes can be answered if u just download it. takes 16 seconds maybe
Naa
Rogan turning to Jamie like ... why don't you know the details of a renaissance painting?!?!?!?! Jamie is like I just saw it in the daily mail.
In my opinion, DaVinci is the most talented and perhaps the smartest person to ever live. 450mil is crazy for a painting but I think his works are priceless
in an alternate dimension roe jogan is speaking of the "female mona lisa "
female Jesus Christ
Joe Rogan your uncle Vinny was smart. My father used to say basically the same thing to me all the time. "If I use the same amount of effort you do doing bad things, to do legitimate stuff, you would be unstoppable"... Well(as a recovering addict) I've been sober for 8 years now, my dad's been dead for three, and I'm doing very well for myself. Let's just leave it at that.
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@@Th3Hum4nEl3m3nt this is Joe Rogan, I'm reading your comment
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@Michael Fox holy shit Joe Rogan read my comment 😯
“Bryan Sonders”😂😂😂 I had just taken a fat rip. That killed me😂😂😂
He really said “male-a-Lisa” and missed the opportunity to say “man-a-Lisa”. What a shame
When joe is the smartest guy in the room we have a problem
You gotta watch some Reggie Watts videos. Dude’s brain is connected to some intergalactic stimuli. This format is not displaying his strengths.
@@lobosolo2884 I literally did just that and saw a video of this fat guy dressed like a homeless person dancing around and making weird noises into a microphone calling it “music” . He’s trash.
@@Garage.Philosophy just because you cant comprehend the fundamentals of music doesnt make it trash. Go listen to the Eagles or something clown lmao
@@Calilou52 okay mate I probably understand more about music then you do but whatever helps you sleep at night
@@Calilou52 chill fam
Just watched a video of Conor McGregor answering fan questions, he got asked if he’s ever going to go on the Joe Rogan podcast and said he’d love to!! MAKE IT HAPPEN JOE!!!
Well Joe,
when a painting is restored, nobody just paints over it. The restaurateur (in this case a lady named Dianne Modestini) uses a few steps to restore the original.
One needs to know first, that most painters finish a painting with varnish. If the painting is than later painted over, you have already 3 layers. one color, one varnish and another layer of color.
In the case of the Salvator Mundi (thats what the painting is called) had 4 layers. The first 2 were easy to remove, since they were relatively new.
The 3rd layer was an old varnish, which can be removed using a certain chemical that doesn't affect the actual painting. Tecnically we'd have to say the painting had 5 layers since it was overpainted partially by DaVinci himself. The thumb was painted twice and changed in ankle. The brosche in the middle was moved further to the left.
How ever, the restaurateur now only partially enhanced the existing colors. This happens with a magnifying glas and lot's of time. 6 years she took to finish this one. Now, when you look close at the painting, you'll see little cracklings. The original color had been breaking into a billion pieces when the oil had dryed out. Al these little pieces are treated individually. Thos keeping the look and appearance. But the colors are enhanced and brought to better light.
After all a fresh warnish will be applied.
Oh ans, I don't think there is any controversy. More than 100 experts in the field of DaVinci classification, restauration and analytica have agreed that it's the masters hand who has been painting this. The resamblance to the hair of St John the Baptist in every possible way. Shading, tone, tecnique, brush stroke, depth and so on. This is most likely an original.
thank you for the information
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I’m in a similar situation. I have an old fishing boat with some classic playboys stored in the bathroom.
Bait box!
Blue mound ?
Ha ha
Are the pages stuck together, so you have one photo on top of another?
Y’all gotta look up the back story to this painting it’s crazy. The globe in his hand doesn’t reflect light and there’s a whole story behind it
Evil season 1 has this painting as a serious plot point.. really cool
I love that portrait , I once took a heroic dose of mushrooms and was looking thru art when I stumbled on this one, as I stared I turned and stared in the mirror and seen the that portrait withing myself, shifting from a Jesus like figure and then to a devil type figure. It was so crazy and beautiful to experience that.
What is heroic to you sir
U goin to hell bro
Imagine what you would achieve if you stop wasting your life.
@@DrSlick imagine what you could achieve if you stopped being a judgmental loser 😉
Joe is a good artist. He showed some of his old art once on an old podcast. If he painted some paintings, they would probably sell for a lot of $
You don’t understand how art works
Leonardo da Vinci once said “ art is never finished just forgotten” I might’ve chopped it 😂😂😂
Da Vinci's artwork are deeply encoded with truths about reality and the human body and mind's potential based on sacred geometry. "Know Thyself"
So true!
I, and few others in this world know this to be true. But because we are so few, and very far between, normally we find it's useless to speak about these things in public fora, as most people would be too ignorant or intellectually incompetent to understand. That is not to say that we understand, though some of us may, it is instead to say that we are at least aware of an underlying implication in Da Vinci's works (as well as Michaelangelo and a few others) that is not immediately obvious, but hidden, and to be discovered by those with the faculties to discover. That said, though I may disagree with our like inviting the greater public fora to insights not readily seen, it is refreshing to find a taller structure (such as yourself) here and there on the topography of awareness, where all else stands flat and ignorant.
Geometric shapes are the foundation and basis of our physical reality. That’s is why. But they are usually found in rough representations. It’s uncommon to see perfectly symmetric geometric shapes.
Judging by the appalling lack of investigative journalism now, I’m guessing that Kashoggi uncovered something about the impending global pandemic and it’s obvious ulterior motives. Essentially, “he knew too much”
I miss having joe tell Jamie what to do and then being able to comment about it
U seem like someone who is ambitious and goal oriented, and thought we could be good friends if you don’t mind.
Let me properly introduce myself to you. My names are ( Esq. Anne Bryone.jnr) I’m a Probate Lawyer by profession and also work with (Keystone Law Group, P.C Law Firm here in Los Angeles.
It’s my pleasure meeting you here.
I sincerely want to seek for your support and cooperation about something important. Can I go on??
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@@danielmullaney2069 How do you mean?? I’m not talking about adverts. It’s way more than that. Can we discuss??
@@annebryony1406 I think we've already started
@@danielmullaney2069 Yeah I know. But you and I know that getting a good conversation via the comment section it’s really stressful and annoying. So it will be preferable if we get talking via email or hangouts. It’s better that way.
“He might be peeing on it” best quote in this whole video
I’m digging the stoner tiki bar feel a lot more than the previous high tech background. I didn’t hate it like some but as a fan since the snow was coming down this feels more fitting.
Bro if he just said “mano Lisa” it would’ve been so much funnier damn
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The Brona Lisa
He doesn't know the noun's "gender" of latin derived languages. And Yes, it would be funny.
That's a good one
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the mona lisa was painted over the course of seven years or so and Leonardo Di Vinci carried the mona lisa every where with him during that time.
Please try and get Bald and Bankrupt on the show!!!! He is a very cool man!!! I think people would enjoy that podcast!
As someone who is studying art conservation, this conversation was melting my brain.
I love a good conservation conversation.
As someone who doesn't give a shit, I don't give a shit
Why is melting your brain in what way? Good, bad?
"As (insert whatever here)." The most pretentious way to start a conversation...
Lol, why? Because you've never heard this before or because it's all incorrect?
😳 When you hear Fingers say "Holy Shit" in the background
I prefer this painting on Spotify
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nice to hear from you
Remember watching this when it was sold. Was a fascinating event to say the least. I was in Marseille back then and everyone was talking about it.
Pretty sure the artist he's on about at the end is a vice documentary. Really amazing art.
I think he is speaking of Wolfgang Beltracchi. That guy painted amazing stuff. one of his fake paintings made it on the cover of christies. an auction house for the most expensive paintings. He has his own doc on netflix so i hoped jamie would talk about it.
It's not the male Mona Lisa. it's title is 'Salvator Mundi' (Saviour of the world). It's in the image of Jesus. Ironic that a saudi prince bought it.
Jesus is also a prophet in islam,he is pronounced isa instead of jesus
“Mona Lisa” was Leonardo’s pupil (and lover) named Salai, who was a cross dresser! Mon (my) Salai, rearranged is Mona Lisa.
Links and evidence please very intrigued 👍👀
Oh my
I don't think there's any evidence they were lovers
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Joe you have the most interesting video podcast that's out! I always come away learning something new. You always try to find the facts about every topic you discuss and you are genuine. I applaud you for having one of the most knowledgeable video cast in the game 💯🙏🏾
This is why the modern art world is so ridiculous. The only question should be: is the painting itself a masterpiece? Shouldn’t matter who actually painted it. Whomever painted it should be secondary issue. But the modern art world is more concerned with who may or may not have painted it rather than the quality of the painting itself. They are so far up their own asses……
The Mona Lisa is Leonardo Da Vinci when he was young. Also it's actually about 4 paintings each one is a mathematical code and all layers are part of the code. That's how freaking smart he was. By far no one comes close to how smart he was. Remember the artificial heart is his invention. Also the tank he wrote many books many was destroyed. When he was dying he was trying to finish writing a book. He had a favor to flight. It is said when he was child in the crib and bird landed on his face and that's where has passion or obsession with flight came from
He lived through some kind of natural disaster and was terrified of floods. So he was obsessed with being able to fly away.
Good God, there is serious money to be made in art. I’m considering trying to become a world-renowned art thief.
I imagine they track the history of each painting, like you'd have to explain where it came from so stealing one wouldn't work.
Or a world renowned artist.
@@EverettBurger That could be my cover story. By day, I pain masterpieces. By night, I steal other people's masterpieces!
@@dedpxl I'm sure there's a black market for this sort of thing.
@@Garrus1995 look up on UA-cam "fake painting man vice interview" there is trust me
Someone has a case of the Mundis
This^^ is why comments exist 👌🏻
Fun fact went down a rabbit hole on the grizzly man that was briefly touched on . The bear that killed him he had named THE MACHINE!
As another Vinny myself, I can tell you, always listen to Uncle Vinny, Joe!
They talked about this painting for 10 minutes and not once did they mention represents Jesus Christ. Or, that Salvator Mundi means savior of the world. Shows the world we live in.
Who gives jack about a made up cult ?
@@aussierules3436 millions of people, dummy.
This was a cool episode. Glad i got Spotify.
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I've never been into paintings, I always thought rich people are crazy for spending millions on such meaningless items but to each their own as they say.
High art in tax evasion. Say a wealthy person has to pay 2 million in taxes, they will buy some art for a few grand and get one of their art appraisals buddies to value it at 2 million then they donate and write off their tax for the year.
It's not the physical being of the painting. It's what the spiritual meaning
Mr Joe Rogan, Please Upload on you tube The full Podcast....No disrespect to Spotify....Without app I can't listen it on Spotify....
Before I watched this vid I literally thought to myself, “damn this dude looks a lot like Kim Thayil”
To anyone scrolling the comments. Don't forget to tell your mother she's beautiful
What if this is all a scam? A group of people make a painting to resemble Leo's work and have it be the male version of probably the most famous painting ever because that'll obviously get attention. Sell it for 1,175 because that's good easy money for a painting scam. The painting gets lost throughout time with its many owners, and now it got to a place in time where its surrounded by people who think it's real...word gets around now the masses believe it's real. We all know the art industry is shady af.
Or ot could just be money laundering for weapons or drugs? Same senario, different motive.
YES!!!!!I THOUGHT HE DIDN'T UPLOAD NOTHING ON UA-cam ANYMORE.THANK GOD
“Prolly Brian Saunders”. Dk why but I love this lol
The fact that I was alive in 2005, live New Orleans, and that thing was for sale for that cheap makes me angry at myself for missing it lol. Even tho I am not interested nor have ever been interested in owning pieces of art 😂
I was In dublin when the carivagio was an unknown painting hung in an old home. I should have just offered them 200 quid😭
You will never have this kind of opportunity if you don’t understand the value of owning art.
@@Cutsman562 that was the irony in the comment...
@@Cutsman562 people like you are the worst type of people lmao
@@dirtydangler he’s living up to the stereotype for sure 😂
"He might be peeing on it right now." Lol Joe says funny $hit sometimes.
Wow. That professional comedian says funny things from time to time
Comedian. He's a professional comedian. Jesus Christ
@@durkadurka5044 he's a comedian that only white guys find funny lol so it's shocking to me
Anybody that pays 400 or 450 million dollars for a painting should have their head examined. This reflects the greatest depth of human character flaws.
Or they’re just really good at hiding thier actual transactions
@@HockeySniping Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Even Jay Leno won't buy a Ferrari because he doesn't like their business practice..
Rich people launder money through art 😏
This painting was not done by the master Leonardo. The eyes are crooked, the neck is blurry, there should be blue between the thumb and forefinger from the blue robe. The orb is all wrong it shows no distortion. Leonardo would never have made simple mistakes like this. The Prince got scammed.
Rogan is so inspirational bc if he can half make it in comedy then i can make it in something too. Its not just that hes unfunny, a guest will say something funny, Joe just talks right through it.
A guest will attempt to say anything, funny or otherwise, and Joe will steamroll through them nattering away his stream of consciousness
I remember brian made a funny joke at joes and his guest's expense and joe just got mad. It was adam kokesh
Did you see the one theo von interview where Joe kept making rude comments and acting irritated at theo? I know theo has been on a few times but in one of the interviews you could clearly tell he was annoying Joe pretty much the whole interview
Good luck with your youtube gaming channel, I hope its successful
He’s a more successful podcaster than comedian. Most of his specials are low budget, and small. Now that he’s a great podcaster his shows get more people bc he’s joe rogan. Just like how there are comedic actors who only draws a crowd bc they were a funny person on a show or movie.
The counterfeiters name is Wolfgang Beltracchi.
7:33 Jamie definitely got spinning back kicked at the end on this one
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You are reaching
have never found the Mona Lisa to be attractive in terms of being an exemplar of feminine beauty, and yes I've seen it (assuming the Louvre actually displays the real painting and not a duplicate). Maybe this would be the explanation - that the Mona Lisa is off-putting - that the Mona Lisa is essentially what would now be regarded as a transsexual depiction
The mona lisa got famous because it was stolen from the museum and was later found again, nobody cared about it before that, that's the only reason it's famous
our conception of beauty changes throughout the ages... nobody found big lips beautiful in morocco during the spanish revolution because they were a sign of having a loose vagina lmao now big lips are plastered everywhere
I am going to let you in on the world of art of the nowadays - level of painters is such now that every few years a masterpiece of a known genius will be popping out of nowhere on the market and it will be authenticated to a full extent with all due diligence and proper insurance.
exactly
The authenticators, just like the medical experts of today, are all frauds on the take. I wouldn’t buy a coloring book based on their stamps of approval.
I swear it’s gotta be related to money laundering in some way
@@alabaster253 some of it is. Some of its not.
Respect to this dude for the soundgarden shirt
Hey why is Spotify lying to it customers saying premium is ad free!! Now there trying to slip little ads in the middle of the JRE
I remember this painting from Leonardo de Vinci biography by Walter Issacson. Y’all gotta read his biographies if you haven’t yet. AmaZing
I found that one kinda dull. Read Napoleon’s instead
@@ToastyChud Walter issacson did one of Napoleon??
I think all of isaacs biographies are amazing, I’ve read Steve jobs, Franklin, and de Vinci, on Einstein right meow.
The paintings and pictures in De Vinci were awesome.
@@genzcurmudgeon8037 Andrew Roberts bio of napoleon I'd really recommend if you like biographies. a must read. and his one of Churchill is equally good. I read isaacs steve jobs and like it but yeah i just wasn't as interested in the da vinci one. maybe i need to go back to it.
@@ToastyChud The Steve jobs was quite interesting because it was within our lifetime. More relatable for sure especially since we can watch videos of the guy. Where as we don’t even have a photograph of Da Vinci. Either way he’s a great writer and I’ve enjoyed his work.
@@ToastyChud and yes thanks I may check out that biography of Napoleon.
The only thing more baller than showing off a painting and saying it’s by DaVinci, is showing someone a painting and casually saying “idk, it might be DaVinci, they’re not really sure lol.”
Then that person knows you spent millions on a “maybe” and aren’t even sweating it
If I told you the amount of super valuable paintings that are forgotten in persons attics unbeknownst to the owners it would freak you out ...
Wish I could find one that'd be amazing.
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If they’re lost and forgotten, how do you know?
Lay it out then
@@leafodan3730 some artist keep records of paintings they painted so there is times some one buys a painting then people don't know where that painting is.even though they knew it existed
My name's Vinny and I had the same thought when I was a child, the world is a paradox
Seeing Reggie perform for the first time was more confusing and amazing
then when I would encounter Aliens for the first time .
That guy who made fake Picassos painting is probably gonna be the new pablo in years cause at the time of piccaos or Leonardo they weren t labelled as the famous men like today
there's so many ways to get rich in this world. value is whatever someone is willing to pay. I had 66,000 doge coins at .007 cents and sold at .009 cents and lost that 600 dollars in a week...it's now worth north of 45k....
Joe is mad he sold out and still can’t afford a fake painting
What sold out
"You take some shit put it up in a wall check it out for a while" ART 🎨
Ohhh my God!! Reggie!!! Where have you been?? Missed you
I thought that was a painting of Christ
It is
Salvator mundi means savior of the world I believe
It’s actually a painting of Cesare Borgia
Thank you for doing this joe, you are helping to heal our country.
Ironically it is now said that Da Vinci didn't actually paint it BUT a student of his did.