I got an Index full kit off eBay a few weeks ago. Only place you can get it "in stock" so the price, *if you do not want to wait 8+ weeks through Steam*, is actually comparable right now between the bundle versions. My Index kit cost me $1500 incl shipping for a new one still in its original shipping box from Valve. And looking just now, the cheapest today is even a few hundred higher than that (unless you want pre-owned or to wait out an auction). Eventually this wont be a factor...but if you want the full kit and want it sooner rather than later (when I looked up the Pimax kit today it said in stock), this is actually going to be quite a bit cheaper for the time being. And Steam isn't even letting you order the Base Stations themselves at all, so the bundle is worth it. They are going for about $250 each give or take on the re-sale market which makes the $500 Pimax bundle difference for two + the controllers a massive discount. Can probably sell them off piecemeal if you don't need them and end up with just the headset for well under the $899 in the end.
o.O At 8:00 the vision looks really blurry right from the first colors from the center. At 11:03 on the right side the Valve is much sharper than the Pimax. Is this from yt compression?
Reverb it's better and closer to 8KX. Comparing my 8K+ to 8KX and reverb the upscaling is impressive but only at 150% supersampling and that hurts performance and still didn't get it quite as close in sharpness. But on the positive there is less SDE effect than in the 8K+ and Reverb to my eyes.
hi voodoo, is the 8k plus is superior or equivalent to a quest 2 in term of clarity and SDE ? I own a quest 2 and a reverb g1 and I would like to have a headset with a larger fov and at least the same image quality of a quest 2. thanks.
I wish there was some way to make the upscaling algorithm on the pimax 8k+ at the level of dlss 2.0 cause if if was that good itd be giving true 4k graphics at the cost of 1080p resolution.
Can you recommend what CPU and motherboard to use for VR? I have a 2080Ti but in an old board and chip. Would really appreciate some advice on this - your channel rocks too, Thanks :)
If you're using a 2080ti I would go with at minimum a 7700k or 2700x. If I had to pick a CPU to use with it though I would be using a 3700x or 8700k for the extra horsepower.
I recommend a 1080ti... but it's not the 4k it's what the game you are running. You can play job simulator or Half Life Alyx with a 1070. But DCS or other non native VR games that people insist at running full graphics meant for pancake will obviously struggle.
In your previous video, the 2 hour one, you recommended the pimax 5k plus over the 8k plus, i was planning to order it this week, but with the new 8k plus, would you still recommend the 5k plus over the 8k plus with the newer features, its my first vr head set and i wanted it for elite dangerous and australia cannot purchase the value index.
If you have extra money to spare, I'd give 8k+ a go. I own 5k xr and waiting for vision 8k+ now. ED is great with XR, but it lacks resolution a bit and sometimes it's hard to read text.
You are mixing some things up. He was comparing Pimax 5K+ and Pimax 8K. Then recommended the 5K+. This headset in this video is the Pimax 8K+. Which is newer generation than 5K+ or 8K. These are 3 different headsets. Confusing , ay? :V
Pimax 5K + has better image and higher refresh rate. Watch more comparison videos and you will see that the 5K + has a way better image, dunno why. It seems that the 8K is 5K stretched to 8K.
one thing that pissed me off about oculus was the software that took over your computer and had to constantly run and would randomly download .. i tried a couple of things to by pass this and to even turn it off ... nothing worked for me ... does the pimax have similar software?
With the advancement being made in curved oled displays, I'm going to hold out until the VR headsets incorporate these better screens. Otherwise we can see that both the Primax and Index are good products for gaming VR.
whiteflyingmonkey don’t worry the distortion is not as bad as what others said. For Large FOV at 200 degrees the distortion is very slight around the ages but if you are racing of flying you won’t notice it, the sweet spot is at normal FOV 170 degrees where I don’t see any distortion. It looks like my triple screen setup with monitors angled at 45 degrees but in VR!
@@MrHamster1982 Most people say distortion, but what they really meen is geometric distortion of the image, If you have a round circle in the center of the screen, it changes shape as it moves toward the edge of the screen.
Thanks for the video- im considering the 8KX when it comes- in your opinion how easy is it to configure your IPD with pimax? Ive been into VR for 3 years now and nothing excites me like PIMAX, however, im waiting for the 8KX. Failing that Im considering Star VR ( but the resolution concerns me- due to 8KX being superior to it) thanks again and keep up the good work! Danke!
I had the 8K loan (currently waiting for my 8KX), and found the IPD configuration very easy. It has a large range of values (unlike the 4K!). I ended up buying the 8K loan and selling it for a nice profit. That StarVR is very, very impressive. I'd wait till that and the finished Pimax 8K X is in the hands of a few honest reviewers (VoodooDE, MRTV, Linus, TESTED, etc.), or even better, if you can try them out for yourself before you decide on which one to get.
Chucksta thanks for the response. I’m just not that impressed with the index , it’s not a big enough jump for me. Im not a person who talks about money being no issue but I do want the best for my cash. The reason I’m concerned about IPD adjustment and stability was due to MRTV latest video on the 8kX , however it seems that this was due to the head strap , hopefully the audio strap ( which looks great) will make it an all rounder 🤞🏻
@@laartwork All the Pimax and including mine that I have seen and read about, the IPD only go down to 59, AND if you measure the sweet spot of the lens, (the center ring), the on screen display reads 60, But the lenses are at 70. The lenses DO NOT MATCH THE READ OUT thats on the screen, it 10mm out.
Sean O'Brien from new sources Oculus is actively working on a new advanced version of the oculus quest. Higher resolution, more doc, 90-120hz frame rate, cracking down on costs as well.
@@lilbean8388 Something like a wireless hybrid Rift S / Quest headset would be perfect. No lag from Oculus Link like with Rift S and still the benefit of free motion from Quest. One can only dream..
@@lilbean8388 I also hear that soon you will not be able to run your Oculus with out having face book :-( www.google.co.uk/search?q=Oculus+will+need+facebook+soon&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjg286egK3rAhU6QkEAHYO3B2gQBSgAegQIDRAr&biw=1545&bih=919
It is upscaled from the same resolution as the 5K+ which renders perfectly fine on a 2080TI(I ran Alyx on mine on Ultra, without ever having any issues)
@@Kobriks1 What effect does the glare have? I'm not actually quite sure what you mean by glare in this case, as in how it manifests itself in VR headsets. Also, seriously, it's worse than my gen 1 Oculus Rift? :-o
The pimax 8k is interesting I'd it a try.. I mean I gave the quest 2 a try and well that just wasn't for me.... The thing that stop me is cost and also no controllers and mandatory base station step even used would still run me a 1k$ for that kinda money... I can try something more modern like the bigscreen beyond which is micro OLED and has better lens... If this dropped to maybe 300$ range I might give it a shot in the future tho...
thanks for the video. I won't order this unit if it isn't available from a reputable retailer like Amazon. It's a shame really Pimax has performed so badly with customer service.
BE AWARE Pimax will make it a nightmare to get support if the HMD is having any problems. My Experience goes as this, I purchased the HMD and they did not provide tracking confirmation of update for a couple weeks then suddenly i got my tacking number. Upon tacking the package i found that it was already here and was attempted to be delivered once already but i missed it due to having no tracking confirmation. Once i got the HMD i installed the pitool and connected the hedset loaded for a second then noticed my PC said device can not be recognized and the HMD wasnt connecting Pitools was showing my base stations and touch controllers but the headset would not show up. The LED was RED on the HMD with no activity on the screens. Upon a full reinstall of all drivers and pitools the HMD connects for a moment then the right screen goes out followed by the left and the HMD disconnects. I have notified pimax of this defected HMD the day i got it in hand and i still havent heard anything from them. If i do not soon i will be filing a dispute with my bank and attempting to get my money back. This company seems to be scamming people and not acknowledging their own very poor service and quality control. DO not buy this HMD or anything from them unless you want to be completely on your own if its DOA
PiMAX just announced the PiMAX 8k plus 4k 12k turbo edition! That was immediately made obsolete by the announcement of 16k super duper plus with new prismatic light bar.
Why does the 8k+ have so much more screen door than the index, all those lines through it, when everyone I have seen who used it says screen door is almost invisible and comparable to the Reverb? It should have less SDE than index.
for the refresh rate I actually used to agree with you but lately in some games it's now really obvious to me: try playing thrill of the fight on Index at 90Hz and then try at 144Hz, you'll see stuttering that disappears at higher refresh rate, not on all games though.
Could it be because if you drop under 90 in 90hz mode it will use 45fps smoothing and if you drop under 144 in 144hz mode it will use 72fps smoothing so it would look better in 144hz even if you dont hit that high number.
Man could you make a video on the best headset for watching 360 videos please. Please don't say oculus quest cos I have tried it and it's not good enough even with 5k videos. Thanks
Vision 8K PLUS with 2*Valve Index Controllers and 2* SteamVR Base Stations $1,399.00 WHIT OUT AUDIO STRAP ADD $ 219.95 for the DMAS, =$ 1,618.95 Thats $618 more than the index, Index is not a bit cheaper, thats a lot cheaper!, The PIMAX is way over priced.
I agree with what choice you said between the Pimax and Index. The only thing that sells a Pimax is wide FOV. The rest of Pimax is fiddly nuisance annoying things that takes the fun out of it. Saying what I've read from other owners. You just want to put the headset on, load game and go! Imagine owning the holy grail of VR: Star VR One. Mere everyday consumer mortals will be lucky to get one and it might not even run steam games.
Yeah except that you *can* just set up pimax and go. You literally never have to touch the pitool software or *even run it* to use pimax after initial setup. I play steam games and viveport games, oculus games using revive at normal fov with parallel projections turned on and scaling set to 1. Set steam vr supersampling to a fixed value of say 1 *and don't let it dynamically change it* And that is it. Never touch pitool or run it. Just load steam and away you go. The only setting you may ever need to touch in pitool is the parallel projections one. The flowchart for that looks like this. Ready? Are the graphics screwy/ flashy broken? They are? Then open pitool and toggle the parallel projections option. Done. Oh it's fiddly I hear. I'm like, why is it? Maybe it is if you are constantly setting up different headsets or like turning supersampling up and down because you like fiddling. But not in an everyday use case. You can just plug and play. My system. Pimax xr (the oled one) 1080ti. Overclocked i7 4th gen CPU. For half life alyx. I had to update pitool and put parallel projections on because my hands were inside out. But I played that whole game in widest field of view and it was epic. And that is literally the first time I've run pitool in about 6 months.
@@PorcuDuckSlug True but these new technologies are still a bit clunky. I had masses of problems with oculus CV1 at the start. Swapping usb ports and buying a usb 3 card and additional cameras to sort out tracking issues (4 cameras). Adding a vr cover to sort out the face interface comfort (so much worse than dk2). And sometimes it had distracting god rays (again worse than dk2). Waiting for the touch controllers to be released. Oh and the audio failed due to a bit of a design flaw with wires running thru the headband at the back, so that had to get rma'd. Oh and my hair was always tangling in those over ear headphones. Then with original vive I had a few issues trying to update the wand controller firmware, which took several goes to get it to take. The tracking was fairly bulletproof - once you have drilled into your ceiling! But the Fresnel lenses seem shocking poor compared to the rift. And no on board audio, but hey. - headphones. Then the index had apparent problems with game compatibility and thumbsticks failing on the index controllers when that launched. Can't overly comment because I don't own that one... And psvr has some issues with controller drift where you have to shake the controller to re orient it. And the lenses scratch really really easily. And you have front facing only so no room scale. And you forget and turn around quite a bit! I guess what I'm saying is. I don't think you should necessarily rule out pimax based on this apparent fiddlyness of since none of the headsets have a perfect track record in my experience. Saying all pimax has is wide fov is downplaying just how much this is actually an absolutely killer feature in my opinion. You can more than compensate for the lack of on board audio with decent Bluetooth in ear headphones. I find it really comfy out of the box - but not everyone will. Oh and you might find the give wands smacking into the headset when you draw a bow. Sure, there is a bit of distortion at your absolute peripheral vision at max fov. But what a difference the large fov makes! Anyway it may not suit everyone but pimax will remain my headset of choice until you can actually buy starVR One!
@@whiterice7466 i only have a 5k+, but in general for any kind of video, screen resolution is king. the upscaler might make the picture a little soft, but other than the 8kX, nothing beats the 8k+. with the pimax software giving you full control over brightness, contrast, etc. you can dial that puppy in to perfection. sadly most vrporn is still shot with 5k resolution, i only found VRBangers with 6k, hopefully they all get some better equipement soon. ;)
@@tomduke1297 I am using the valve index right now. Its better than other VR set lile oculus rifts ect.....but the quality of the videos still not as sharp and clear as i want it. I just want to make sure how much better with the sharpness and better quality videos if i am using the Pima 8k x vs valve index. Thank you.
I got rid of my 5k plus because performance and software are just too much of a hassle to just allow you to enjoy VR. Using for now a samsung odyssey plus until my valve index ships.
I think there's some camera focusing issues. I'd image the photos don't look like they do in action and he's probably speaking from experience as well. Either way, I'd personally go Pimax because I want a higher FOV rather than resolution.
I used to think that... but Vive is so bad and comparing Alyx on both LCD vs OLED there are actually details lost in the black. I think HZ and OLED address now the most overrated features.
@@laartwork is right. details are sorta muddled/lost. however nothing beats the feeling of being in a pitch black tunnel with only a flashlight and low ammo in Alyx. Waiting for microled to fix the black smear issues 🤞
Nah, OLEDs looks nice in VR for a moment before you start to realise that you lose all the detail in the dark scenes. And you get the most horrible SDE.
Pimax looks really bad. I had the money to get it but I got the G2 instead. It just feels so badly built and it looks really ugly. My second VR set is Quest 2 and I think the combination of Quest 2 for wireless and G2 for sims is the best option at the moment.
@@Crecross I bought it and it broke down in few days. The one with the battery is terrible (Pimax Crystal V1). I prefer the new Light version as you no longer need a battery. On my old Pimax Crystal the top strap came loose and it contained the wire for the battery so I couldn't use it at all after that . This was just after 3-4 days use. The build quality is absolutely terrible on the Pimax especially V1. Now I have the Quest 3 and Vision Pro. Both of these devices are built far better than the Pimax. You might not think looks and build quality is important but when you are paying so much for a headset it has to tick those boxes.
Great review again Voodoo, I'm looking forward to seeing your reviews for the 8kx and star vr one. Two big boys fighting for the top spot.
Best comparison video I have seen yet! Bravo
Best review I've seen so far - thanks!
I got an Index full kit off eBay a few weeks ago. Only place you can get it "in stock" so the price, *if you do not want to wait 8+ weeks through Steam*, is actually comparable right now between the bundle versions. My Index kit cost me $1500 incl shipping for a new one still in its original shipping box from Valve. And looking just now, the cheapest today is even a few hundred higher than that (unless you want pre-owned or to wait out an auction).
Eventually this wont be a factor...but if you want the full kit and want it sooner rather than later (when I looked up the Pimax kit today it said in stock), this is actually going to be quite a bit cheaper for the time being. And Steam isn't even letting you order the Base Stations themselves at all, so the bundle is worth it. They are going for about $250 each give or take on the re-sale market which makes the $500 Pimax bundle difference for two + the controllers a massive discount. Can probably sell them off piecemeal if you don't need them and end up with just the headset for well under the $899 in the end.
"If you would want the best clarity and best field of view them......" Ummm, what? Who wouldn't want that.....isn't that the point of all this!?!?
o.O
At 8:00 the vision looks really blurry right from the first colors from the center.
At 11:03 on the right side the Valve is much sharper than the Pimax.
Is this from yt compression?
And why are you just giving questions a heart instead of answering them o.O
@superbleeder98 Definitely not. He prefers the Valve Index over the Pimax.
At 6:40 the index has a shine on the red bars, its not there on the 8K+
FOV aside will the resolution be noticeable different from the HP Reverb
Reverb it's better and closer to 8KX. Comparing my 8K+ to 8KX and reverb the upscaling is impressive but only at 150% supersampling and that hurts performance and still didn't get it quite as close in sharpness. But on the positive there is less SDE effect than in the 8K+ and Reverb to my eyes.
@@laartwork Thanks. I wish there were one with Reverb resolution and Pimax FOV that's not $$$$$$
hi voodoo, is the 8k plus is superior or equivalent to a quest 2 in term of clarity and SDE ? I own a quest 2 and a reverb g1 and I would like to have a headset with a larger fov and at least the same image quality of a quest 2. thanks.
Yes of course it's better!
I wish there was some way to make the upscaling algorithm on the pimax 8k+ at the level of dlss 2.0 cause if if was that good itd be giving true 4k graphics at the cost of 1080p resolution.
One day hopefully. Seems like Nvidia/Game devs should be able to make it work in Vr if they can in flatscreen games. Its still a display(s) after all
Can you recommend what CPU and motherboard to use for VR? I have a 2080Ti but in an old board and chip. Would really appreciate some advice on this - your channel rocks too, Thanks :)
If you're using a 2080ti I would go with at minimum a 7700k or 2700x. If I had to pick a CPU to use with it though I would be using a 3700x or 8700k for the extra horsepower.
@@ExecutionerDan Ok thats great. Im currently using an i5 6600k, but im getting ramdom grashes with some of my games ?
By chance do you know what the circumference is of the head strap? Will the headset fit comfortably on a larger head(for us big & tall guys).
Bumpthanks! Was wondering about the actual effect from the increased FOV that this headset provides. Good review.
what kind of graphics card do you need to push frames to 2 4k screens on the pimax??
I recommend a 1080ti... but it's not the 4k it's what the game you are running. You can play job simulator or Half Life Alyx with a 1070. But DCS or other non native VR games that people insist at running full graphics meant for pancake will obviously struggle.
In your previous video, the 2 hour one, you recommended the pimax 5k plus over the 8k plus, i was planning to order it this week, but with the new 8k plus, would you still recommend the 5k plus over the 8k plus with the newer features, its my first vr head set and i wanted it for elite dangerous and australia cannot purchase the value index.
If you have extra money to spare, I'd give 8k+ a go.
I own 5k xr and waiting for vision 8k+ now. ED is great with XR, but it lacks resolution a bit and sometimes it's hard to read text.
You are mixing some things up. He was comparing Pimax 5K+ and Pimax 8K. Then recommended the 5K+. This headset in this video is the Pimax 8K+. Which is newer generation than 5K+ or 8K. These are 3 different headsets.
Confusing , ay? :V
Pimax 5K + has better image and higher refresh rate. Watch more comparison videos and you will see that the 5K + has a way better image, dunno why. It seems that the 8K is 5K stretched to 8K.
I want to buy the 8kx stand. At the background, I can see it.
Where I can buy those??
The black with blue light simply looks better than the dark blue with green light.
one thing that pissed me off about oculus was the software that took over your computer and had to constantly run and would randomly download .. i tried a couple of things to by pass this and to even turn it off ... nothing worked for me ... does the pimax have similar software?
It would be interesting to know how it compares to the HP Reverb
Reverb is still sharper. The 8K+ needs lots of SS to get close but at a performance hit.
With the advancement being made in curved oled displays, I'm going to hold out until the VR headsets incorporate these better screens. Otherwise we can see that both the Primax and Index are good products for gaming VR.
Have you noticed any distortion at the far ends of the FOV with the 8k plus?
whiteflyingmonkey don’t worry the distortion is not as bad as what others said. For Large FOV at 200 degrees the distortion is very slight around the ages but if you are racing of flying you won’t notice it, the sweet spot is at normal FOV 170 degrees where I don’t see any distortion. It looks like my triple screen setup with monitors angled at 45 degrees but in VR!
@@MrHamster1982 Most people say distortion, but what they really meen is geometric distortion of the image, If you have a round circle in the center of the screen, it changes shape as it moves toward the edge of the screen.
mike jh regardless, doesn’t affect me =)
Thanks for the video- im considering the 8KX when it comes- in your opinion how easy is it to configure your IPD with pimax? Ive been into VR for 3 years now and nothing excites me like PIMAX, however, im waiting for the 8KX. Failing that Im considering Star VR ( but the resolution concerns me- due to 8KX being superior to it) thanks again and keep up the good work! Danke!
I had the 8K loan (currently waiting for my 8KX), and found the IPD configuration very easy. It has a large range of values (unlike the 4K!). I ended up buying the 8K loan and selling it for a nice profit.
That StarVR is very, very impressive. I'd wait till that and the finished Pimax 8K X is in the hands of a few honest reviewers (VoodooDE, MRTV, Linus, TESTED, etc.), or even better, if you can try them out for yourself before you decide on which one to get.
Chucksta thanks for the response. I’m just not that impressed with the index , it’s not a big enough jump for me. Im not a person who talks about money being no issue but I do want the best for my cash. The reason I’m concerned about IPD adjustment and stability was due to MRTV latest video on the 8kX , however it seems that this was due to the head strap , hopefully the audio strap ( which looks great) will make it an all rounder 🤞🏻
If you have a small IPD, don't go with the Pimax.
@@mikejh6551 Pimax can go down to 50 IPD. I have mine set at 57 for my son.. Anything smaller would be for a cyclops.
@@laartwork All the Pimax and including mine that I have seen and read about, the IPD only go down to 59, AND if you measure the sweet spot of the lens, (the center ring), the on screen display reads 60, But the lenses are at 70.
The lenses DO NOT MATCH THE READ OUT thats on the screen, it 10mm out.
The image upscaling is done by the GPU or by the HMD itself?
HMD :)
Hi, do you think that pimax has its headset reliability since you released this video?
Yes
@@voodoodevr-en Thanks for the reply and thanks for your efforts in reviewing these headsets
The FOV of the 8K X have me sold!
I wish Oculus would release a slightly higher end headset from the Rift S. But not as expensive as these headsets here.
Sean O'Brien from new sources Oculus is actively working on a new advanced version of the oculus quest. Higher resolution, more doc, 90-120hz frame rate, cracking down on costs as well.
@@lilbean8388 Something like a wireless hybrid Rift S / Quest headset would be perfect. No lag from Oculus Link like with Rift S and still the benefit of free motion from Quest. One can only dream..
@@lilbean8388 I also hear that soon you will not be able to run your Oculus with out having face book :-(
www.google.co.uk/search?q=Oculus+will+need+facebook+soon&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjg286egK3rAhU6QkEAHYO3B2gQBSgAegQIDRAr&biw=1545&bih=919
Might be allright if you could do a Mcfly and get the 5080 Ti.
It is upscaled from the same resolution as the 5K+ which renders perfectly fine on a 2080TI(I ran Alyx on mine on Ultra, without ever having any issues)
You say the Valve Index glare is a bad, but what's it like compared to my original Oculus Rift CV1?
Godrays are better, glare is much worse.
@@Kobriks1 What effect does the glare have? I'm not actually quite sure what you mean by glare in this case, as in how it manifests itself in VR headsets. Also, seriously, it's worse than my gen 1 Oculus Rift? :-o
How do you wear so many headsets but manage to keep your hair looking so badass?
Haha thx 😂
The pimax 8k is interesting I'd it a try.. I mean I gave the quest 2 a try and well that just wasn't for me.... The thing that stop me is cost and also no controllers and mandatory base station step even used would still run me a 1k$ for that kinda money... I can try something more modern like the bigscreen beyond which is micro OLED and has better lens... If this dropped to maybe 300$ range I might give it a shot in the future tho...
thanks for the video. I won't order this unit if it isn't available from a reputable retailer like Amazon. It's a shame really Pimax has performed so badly with customer service.
Will you review the Vive Cosmos Elite soon?
Great detailed information thanks. Greetings from James J in Limerick city Ireland
So the 8K Plus is 90Hz instead of 75 like the 8K x? so why is the X more expensive then? the headband?
It has native 2x 4K
@@voodoodevr-en I thought the 8k plus did too? So the 8k plus does 90hz native?
Also thx for your replies
@@Ata5ll The 8k+ is upscaled 4k, not native.
@@Ata5ll 8KX has 90hz now too. Upscaled mode can get 114Hz.
Disregarding price
8KX, StarVR, or Index ?
BE AWARE Pimax will make it a nightmare to get support if the HMD is having any problems. My Experience goes as this, I purchased the HMD and they did not provide tracking confirmation of update for a couple weeks then suddenly i got my tacking number. Upon tacking the package i found that it was already here and was attempted to be delivered once already but i missed it due to having no tracking confirmation. Once i got the HMD i installed the pitool and connected the hedset loaded for a second then noticed my PC said device can not be recognized and the HMD wasnt connecting Pitools was showing my base stations and touch controllers but the headset would not show up. The LED was RED on the HMD with no activity on the screens. Upon a full reinstall of all drivers and pitools the HMD connects for a moment then the right screen goes out followed by the left and the HMD disconnects. I have notified pimax of this defected HMD the day i got it in hand and i still havent heard anything from them. If i do not soon i will be filing a dispute with my bank and attempting to get my money back. This company seems to be scamming people and not acknowledging their own very poor service and quality control. DO not buy this HMD or anything from them unless you want to be completely on your own if its DOA
@@iStrong113 hes lying
Valve index is almost a year old. Same with Rift S. Do you think there will be a refresh soon? Worth waiting?
I've heard Microsoft, Valve, and HP are partnering on a next gen headset. Not sure when it will come, but it could be the bees knees.
@@aquaticborealis4877 I have a feeling it will basically be an HP Reverb with better audio and comfort, maybe better tracking, but could be wrong
what's the weight of the pimax ?
PiMAX just announced the PiMAX 8k plus 4k 12k turbo edition! That was immediately made obsolete by the announcement of 16k super duper plus with new prismatic light bar.
Remember the XTAL 8K... me neither
😂
@@laartwork LoL, funny you should mention that as the XTAL 8K is coming to me next week. Oh, the sadness of not doing your research.
Why does the 8k+ have so much more screen door than the index, all those lines through it, when everyone I have seen who used it says screen door is almost invisible and comparable to the Reverb? It should have less SDE than index.
I didnt see SDE in those photos, there was some camera artifacts I believe.
@@finbenton yes a lot of banding in the 8k plus shots make it look worse when it cant be.
for the refresh rate I actually used to agree with you but lately in some games it's now really obvious to me: try playing thrill of the fight on Index at 90Hz and then try at 144Hz, you'll see stuttering that disappears at higher refresh rate, not on all games though.
Could it be because if you drop under 90 in 90hz mode it will use 45fps smoothing and if you drop under 144 in 144hz mode it will use 72fps smoothing so it would look better in 144hz even if you dont hit that high number.
It's really quite impressive how the much lower res Index keeps up in fidelity vs the Pimax
Man could you make a video on the best headset for watching 360 videos please. Please don't say oculus quest cos I have tried it and it's not good enough even with 5k videos. Thanks
That's would be great
don't get a vr headset for just watching 360 videos might aswell get a phone vr
Pimax has a larger fov but it seems to me that the index is better in comparing the image you presented. This comparison is apparently
favors pimax.
Thanks for the TTL comparison.
Thanks. 👍🏻
Vision 8K PLUS with 2*Valve Index Controllers and 2* SteamVR Base Stations $1,399.00 WHIT OUT AUDIO STRAP
ADD $ 219.95 for the DMAS, =$ 1,618.95 Thats $618 more than the index, Index is not a bit cheaper, thats a lot cheaper!, The PIMAX is way over priced.
I agree with what choice you said between the Pimax and Index. The only thing that sells a Pimax is wide FOV. The rest of Pimax is fiddly nuisance annoying things that takes the fun out of it. Saying what I've read from other owners. You just want to put the headset on, load game and go! Imagine owning the holy grail of VR: Star VR One. Mere everyday consumer mortals will be lucky to get one and it might not even run steam games.
Yeah except that you *can* just set up pimax and go. You literally never have to touch the pitool software or *even run it* to use pimax after initial setup. I play steam games and viveport games, oculus games using revive at normal fov with parallel projections turned on and scaling set to 1. Set steam vr supersampling to a fixed value of say 1 *and don't let it dynamically change it* And that is it. Never touch pitool or run it. Just load steam and away you go.
The only setting you may ever need to touch in pitool is the parallel projections one. The flowchart for that looks like this. Ready?
Are the graphics screwy/ flashy broken? They are? Then open pitool and toggle the parallel projections option. Done.
Oh it's fiddly I hear. I'm like, why is it? Maybe it is if you are constantly setting up different headsets or like turning supersampling up and down because you like fiddling. But not in an everyday use case. You can just plug and play.
My system. Pimax xr (the oled one) 1080ti. Overclocked i7 4th gen CPU.
For half life alyx. I had to update pitool and put parallel projections on because my hands were inside out. But I played that whole game in widest field of view and it was epic. And that is literally the first time I've run pitool in about 6 months.
CorporateZombie The fact that you don’t have issues doesn’t mean issues don’t exist for other people
@@PorcuDuckSlug True but these new technologies are still a bit clunky. I had masses of problems with oculus CV1 at the start. Swapping usb ports and buying a usb 3 card and additional cameras to sort out tracking issues (4 cameras). Adding a vr cover to sort out the face interface comfort (so much worse than dk2). And sometimes it had distracting god rays (again worse than dk2). Waiting for the touch controllers to be released. Oh and the audio failed due to a bit of a design flaw with wires running thru the headband at the back, so that had to get rma'd. Oh and my hair was always tangling in those over ear headphones.
Then with original vive I had a few issues trying to update the wand controller firmware, which took several goes to get it to take. The tracking was fairly bulletproof - once you have drilled into your ceiling! But the Fresnel lenses seem shocking poor compared to the rift. And no on board audio, but hey. - headphones.
Then the index had apparent problems with game compatibility and thumbsticks failing on the index controllers when that launched. Can't overly comment because I don't own that one...
And psvr has some issues with controller drift where you have to shake the controller to re orient it. And the lenses scratch really really easily. And you have front facing only so no room scale. And you forget and turn around quite a bit!
I guess what I'm saying is. I don't think you should necessarily rule out pimax based on this apparent fiddlyness of since none of the headsets have a perfect track record in my experience. Saying all pimax has is wide fov is downplaying just how much this is actually an absolutely killer feature in my opinion.
You can more than compensate for the lack of on board audio with decent Bluetooth in ear headphones. I find it really comfy out of the box - but not everyone will. Oh and you might find the give wands smacking into the headset when you draw a bow.
Sure, there is a bit of distortion at your absolute peripheral vision at max fov. But what a difference the large fov makes!
Anyway it may not suit everyone but pimax will remain my headset of choice until you can actually buy starVR One!
I will be glad when VR HMD stop using the dam headstraps
Vision 8k vs Valve index for porn?
Vision 8K
Will it gives me better stream quality videos than the valve index? Thank you
@@whiterice7466 i only have a 5k+, but in general for any kind of video, screen resolution is king. the upscaler might make the picture a little soft, but other than the 8kX, nothing beats the 8k+. with the pimax software giving you full control over brightness, contrast, etc. you can dial that puppy in to perfection.
sadly most vrporn is still shot with 5k resolution, i only found VRBangers with 6k, hopefully they all get some better equipement soon. ;)
@@tomduke1297 I am using the valve index right now. Its better than other VR set lile oculus rifts ect.....but the quality of the videos still not as sharp and clear as i want it. I just want to make sure how much better with the sharpness and better quality videos if i am using the Pima 8k x vs valve index. Thank you.
No One:
Pimax Vision 8K Plus: I NEED HEALING!!
I got rid of my 5k plus because performance and software are just too much of a hassle to just allow you to enjoy VR. Using for now a samsung odyssey plus until my valve index ships.
I'll never buy pimax again. I have many problems with games on steam...fov is not enough reason for me..and the pitool - throwing up
do you mean the fov (amount of it) isnt enough for your taste? Or its isn't sufficient reason to buy it because of other drawbacks?
fov is not enough reason for me.... Sorry i lost one word 😉
11:25 the Other watch!! you are biased bro
I think there's some camera focusing issues. I'd image the photos don't look like they do in action and he's probably speaking from experience as well.
Either way, I'd personally go Pimax because I want a higher FOV rather than resolution.
Res and FOV are meaningless with LCD...backlights, blacks and colours are what's up...AMOLED rekts them :(
I used to think that... but Vive is so bad and comparing Alyx on both LCD vs OLED there are actually details lost in the black. I think HZ and OLED address now the most overrated features.
@@laartwork is right. details are sorta muddled/lost. however nothing beats the feeling of being in a pitch black tunnel with only a flashlight and low ammo in Alyx.
Waiting for microled to fix the black smear issues 🤞
Nah, OLEDs looks nice in VR for a moment before you start to realise that you lose all the detail in the dark scenes. And you get the most horrible SDE.
Pimax looks really bad. I had the money to get it but I got the G2 instead. It just feels so badly built and it looks really ugly. My second VR set is Quest 2 and I think the combination of Quest 2 for wireless and G2 for sims is the best option at the moment.
Funny complaint about something that you're not going to see because it's on your head 😭
@@Crecross I bought it and it broke down in few days. The one with the battery is terrible (Pimax Crystal V1). I prefer the new Light version as you no longer need a battery. On my old Pimax Crystal the top strap came loose and it contained the wire for the battery so I couldn't use it at all after that . This was just after 3-4 days use. The build quality is absolutely terrible on the Pimax especially V1.
Now I have the Quest 3 and Vision Pro. Both of these devices are built far better than the Pimax. You might not think looks and build quality is important but when you are paying so much for a headset it has to tick those boxes.