Trane bean counters cost us time and money

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  • @toneale
    @toneale 2 роки тому +6

    Ted, I'm not an HVAC guy, just a lawyer who is handy around the house, but I really enjoy watching your content. You are a quality tradesman and I wish I lived in your area - you'd certainly get all of my business.

  • @tphvac87
    @tphvac87 3 роки тому +17

    I usually silver tape that insulation back to the door some hanging off the outside so it doesn’t get sucked into the blower, not the prettiest thing but it does work.

    • @johnl623
      @johnl623 2 роки тому

      I just started carrying insulation spray glue because I see it so much 😂

    • @jima3129
      @jima3129 Рік тому

      How about keeping a small can of 3M spray adhesive in your kit? That's what I used on mine. Not a Trane, but universal problem. US mfgrs used to listen to installers. Now you talk to a person in India, if you can understand them. US mfgrs don't give a shit, it's all about the bottom line. Not so in Japan. That's why their cars are the best.

  • @2packs4sure
    @2packs4sure 3 роки тому +7

    I try to make it a habit to pop every connector off a contactor while it's still mounted that's possible to get to,, for leverage.

  • @Garth2011
    @Garth2011 3 роки тому +23

    Bean counters need to reduce the margins of profits upstairs and put some of it back into the systems reliability factors or customers will be wondering why the upper crust equipment is having issues within the first 4 to 5 years. When you spend thousands for "better equipment" they need to come with better quality parts like this contact switch and decent motors with decent bearings, higher quality electronics and burners etc. No one wants to spend more and get less or equal to the base model features.

    • @tphvac87
      @tphvac87 3 роки тому

      Trane doesn’t care, nor will they hear/see this video? I agree Bull yo increase profit margins and decrease quality of these units! I love trane though Lennox has dropped a lot in quality control.

    • @throttlebottle5906
      @throttlebottle5906 3 роки тому

      4 to 5 years? you give it far too much credit, more like 6 months to 1.5 years before major breakdown and leaks...

  • @549BR
    @549BR 2 роки тому +3

    Try putting a pliers over the sides of the connector and squeeze as you pull, bulging the flat surface that has the hooking device.

  • @francisbriggs76
    @francisbriggs76 2 роки тому +4

    Needle nose pliers would be a real asset to your tool bag!

  • @panamacitybeachbum
    @panamacitybeachbum 2 роки тому +1

    Retired HVAC service tech with 20 years field experience here. PITA Trane. Obsolete condenser coil fins originating from when GE originally patented this condensing unit design 50 years ago. Can't begin to tell you how many dirty condenser coils on Trane condensers I have replaced because it was impossible to clean those bird nest coils.

  • @alexanderbrowningcompositi9730
    @alexanderbrowningcompositi9730 3 роки тому +2

    Always good to watch an old hand teach what he knows. Thank you!!!

  • @OcRefrig
    @OcRefrig 3 роки тому +1

    Good Vid ! That coil was def. smoked !
    A tiny suggestion to make your life easier maybe. Buy a Milwaukee Packout Box that u can sit on , or a Little tool box that u can sit on , Put your parts & tools in it for a little call like this & a Respirator to wear , cause thier is alot of dust, particles & fiberglass insulation in the air seen floating in video. and your all set. i Think the Medium milwaukee packout has a handle on it too. Kind of a Mini -tool box & chair to sit on while doing a under the house call like this.

  • @robalexander7348
    @robalexander7348 3 роки тому +3

    Well done Ted, and under difficult conditions, and another happy customer,i do enjoy your videos and Zac's your both entertaining and enjoyable to watch.... Greetings from Australia...

  • @itsacrazyasian
    @itsacrazyasian 2 роки тому +1

    Honestly I used to be a Trane guy but I've started specifying other manufacturers. I know many manufacturers are cutting costs but I've been disappointed in their equipment lately. The old GE/Trane Climatuff compressors and the stuff from the early 2000's was rock solid. I should post video of me starting up an old double ender Trane 1500 ton centrifugal chiller right before we yanked it. It suffered a catastrophic motor failure (5KV motor) the day after the video. Keep up the videos and the A+ work.

  • @ADOENDRA
    @ADOENDRA 3 роки тому +3

    As an industrial designer with 20+ years of hands-on experience, I really would like to re-design these things. First, I would make it possible to turn the stickers. And yes. I would make your life less complex ;-)

  • @thogevoll
    @thogevoll 3 роки тому +2

    So Ted, which is more important to you a unit that initially costs the customer a few dollars more because it has a better quality contactor or one that you'll get a relatively easy service call on later to replace a cheap contactor when it fails? I get the feeling that you'd prefer the unit to have better quality parts. Here in the Balt/DC area that service call would be almost $200 just to get a tech out to the house and then the cost of the part on top of that. I like that you are not a blind parts changer. You troubleshoot to the root cause and replace what actually needs replacing. 👍

  • @throttlebottle5906
    @throttlebottle5906 3 роки тому +1

    those are actually good vibration proof terminals they're using. juts think back to all the one with terminals that fell off or burnt up. often they burnt from vibration(fretting) wearing them away and causing resistance.

  • @jimmyaber5920
    @jimmyaber5920 3 роки тому +3

    Automotive manufacturers love taking million dollar profit gambles that cost them tens of millions in warranty repairs. Spending those few dollars extra is what got the Asian makes their advantage 3 or more decades back. The problem is better but there are still some old. problems they do again and it makes you think the ones that screwed up are retired and the new ones have to figureb it all over.

  • @GlenS123
    @GlenS123 3 роки тому +15

    Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. Trane a premium product? Nothing against Trane personally, but if a company truely makes a "Premium" product it would be made of premium parts, not cheapest crap bean counters can find.

    • @bobboscarato1313
      @bobboscarato1313 3 роки тому +7

      Trane changed hands two or three years ago; quality goes down as CEOs. look for ways to cheapen products so they can get better bonuses.

    • @scottjones7279
      @scottjones7279 3 роки тому

      Not only Trane. Ceo's are taught the same philosophy in school on how to keep their stock price up. I learned a long time ago LGOP, looks good on paper. The CEO's are not stupid but their job is to keep the stock price up not to necessarily make the most long term money. They did not build the name and have no respect for the name they just chase the stock price. Ted is still building his name for the long term and does not want it cheapened.

    • @Mr.Ramirez95
      @Mr.Ramirez95 3 роки тому

      That model is the cheaper out of the Trane line up.

    • @BernardBethea6339
      @BernardBethea6339 3 роки тому

      Agreed they use the cheapest control boards I've ever seen those white/Rodgers boards are a piece of crap

  • @OnusBones
    @OnusBones 3 роки тому +5

    I have seen enough of your videos to be certain that if Trane followed your advice, their product would indeed be better, and easier to service.

  • @pauldowler3499
    @pauldowler3499 3 роки тому +1

    43 yrs with the company know as Sears service, love your videos,

  • @markcollins457
    @markcollins457 2 роки тому

    Your always taking me to best places attics, crawl spaces, damp basements only the best and air quality the brighter you light the more you can see the dust loose insulation and if your lucky mold spores. Keep up the good work and Trane will supply you with a face mask with a built in microphone.

  • @HVACingMyWay
    @HVACingMyWay 3 роки тому +2

    I’ve been disappointed with Trane lately we have been getting units in missing pieces and beat up wires just dangling around I have to find where it goes. No good. Thanks for another good video

  • @TheRealoldcar
    @TheRealoldcar 3 роки тому

    The locking terminal connectors you encountered on this Job are the lower cost ones unless they have a finger or plier depressor to release.

  • @Bob.W.
    @Bob.W. 3 роки тому +1

    Maybe those tight connectors are why they call them contactors. :) Happy Thanksgiving all.

  • @johnguerrero4305
    @johnguerrero4305 3 роки тому +2

    Zach should be honored by having his name mentioned on this channel!

  • @Stackinginvestments1
    @Stackinginvestments1 3 роки тому +13

    I've always felt that the design engineers need to be REQUIRED to work in the field, for 4 to 5 years, servicing what ever it is that they plan on becoming a designer for.

  • @skaterdom1217
    @skaterdom1217 2 роки тому

    Hello I fixed my trane electric ignition couple days ago I was super proud of myself for properly diagnosing my furnace the led light

  • @lhr1701
    @lhr1701 3 роки тому +7

    Happy Thanksgiving Ted . I'm I wrong but you could just got rid of the wire nuts and the short piece of wire , and wired L1 and L2 to the lugs on top of the contactor ? Less connections equals less problems .

    • @OcRefrig
      @OcRefrig 3 роки тому +1

      Yes , You are correct. But , in this particular case the incoming wires were " solid " and contactor was not a " Lug " type contactor.
      so the way he did it was proper in this case.

  • @anratic
    @anratic 2 роки тому +1

    why is hvac wiring always spaghetti? are zipties poison or something?

  • @sknight0391
    @sknight0391 3 роки тому +18

    The new female Spade terminals that Rheem uses for their furnace capacitor connections are like that. Extremely hard to get off and then when you put them back on they're all loosey-goosey.
    Happy Thanksgiving Ted. 😎👍

    • @DA-PICKLES-VR
      @DA-PICKLES-VR 3 роки тому +1

      They have little push tabs

    • @mph5896
      @mph5896 3 роки тому +3

      You have to release those connectors with a pic. Just pulling on them damages them.

    • @johnboy8191
      @johnboy8191 3 роки тому +1

      I always use my wire strippers cuz they thin nose perfect for griping the neck of the spade pull up and wiggle gently side to side makes them whole lot easier deal with capacitors can be the same way really clamped on there

    • @throttlebottle5906
      @throttlebottle5906 3 роки тому

      use small flathead with one side of the head under the tab flat side against terminal and just twist to push it up. on that contactor put the small flathead between the terminal and body, and twist up on the terminal and down on the case where male terminal exists. same works for capacitors usually, depending on location.

    • @jkbrown5496
      @jkbrown5496 3 роки тому +1

      There' s little half punched "hanging chad" in the middle that locks into the hole in male terminal. You have to push in to get it over the lip of the hole on removal. A pick will work, but also a nail, you don't need much so by the time the nail point has filled the hole, you pushed it in far enough. A nail with a 90 degree bent point might work better overall. I've seen narrower terminals on TV speaker connections that had an oblong hole so a small screwdriver work.

  • @rwdplz1
    @rwdplz1 3 роки тому

    The bosses and bean counters keep telling me I need to find them some cost savings - I keep reminding them we're critically understaffed and I don't have time. As a result the stuff I design keeps working without issues for years and years.

  • @monteglover4133
    @monteglover4133 3 роки тому +1

    Here in the frozen north I’ve never seen an electric furnace with just one heating element usually 3 to 6 elements.
    And using sequencers and second stages

    • @mattluongo7763
      @mattluongo7763 3 роки тому +1

      He's in SC. 15kw is useally biggest it gets down here. I've only seen one or two with a 20kw myself

  • @michelgrenier1878
    @michelgrenier1878 3 роки тому +4

    And the bean counters at "Carrier " Have designed 3 phase equipment with " 2 Pole contactors " Leaving one leg of the circuits permanently energized ; This has electrocuted and killed hundreds of HVAC technicians over the years .

    • @throttlebottle5906
      @throttlebottle5906 3 роки тому +2

      electrical 101, assume everything is live and deadly at all times, unless it's been tagged out, tested and all wires shunted to ground. then you could still become a lighting conductor path in a storm or major hv to lv utility short ;)

    • @Monkeh616
      @Monkeh616 2 роки тому

      If 'hundreds' of HVAC technicians have been killed by such over the years, it's their poor training and procedures which killed them, not a functional switch which is not designed or installed for the purpose of isolation.

  • @chrisharris1419
    @chrisharris1419 3 роки тому

    Not a HVAC technician, but enjoy the videos. I was a industrial machine mech and then a millwright. In the industry contacters are plentiful but tapered offed to cheaper smaller stuff, panels being prebuilt coming in with the machines,but saying that, they're are still good ones. Remember a contacter only needs two specifications. The contacts need to be rated for the voltage and the coil has to be specific to the voltage. The cost is the factor, but just because it isn't a trane part, easy to find better I'm sure. Again, I'm not in your business, just my thoughts after 35 years of dealing with them that click on off 1000's of times a shift. Thanks

  • @braddavis2312
    @braddavis2312 3 роки тому +2

    Ted, Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. Still wondering with great anticipation about your Final video on New Shop construction. Wondering if you realize how interesting the first three videos where to the Anti DIY community.

  • @jima3129
    @jima3129 Рік тому

    You have a wonderful attitute, Ted. I would have told them to get all their crap out of the way of the unit, then give me a call. Do you think that is asking too much? I sure dont.

  • @stephenbierlein2517
    @stephenbierlein2517 3 роки тому

    I always hated the coils. Whe they were GE had a lot of problems where the coil attaches to tubing. Epoxy use to try to patch a lot of leaks. Have a great day.

  • @billy5032
    @billy5032 3 роки тому +1

    If the heat strips have cheap contactors then does the outdoor unit have the same issue?
    Bubble wrap on the door might hold better than the fiberglass.

  • @jchambers2586
    @jchambers2586 3 роки тому +2

    Happy Thanksgiving Ted and God bless you and your family

  • @woodway11
    @woodway11 3 роки тому +9

    Watching you take out and install that new contactor makes me think that a cordless ratchet might be just the thing to unscrew and screw in those self tapping screws. They come in both 1/4 and 3/8 square drive and auto mechanics seem to love them for taking smaller nuts and bolts off engines and such. Give it a try and make another video on the pros and cons of the idea. No charge for the advice , just thinking out loud.

    • @xXxDETZxXx
      @xXxDETZxXx 3 роки тому +2

      I just use a impact driver and a right angle attachment.

    • @throttlebottle5906
      @throttlebottle5906 3 роки тому +1

      @@xXxDETZxXx or use the 90, a bit extension and hand driver. it's only two screws 🤣🤣🤣
      then again there was more on the cover, but traveling light in a crawlspace or attic is nice.

  • @dan8220
    @dan8220 2 роки тому

    Hey I haven’t seen an update on the shop. How’s it coming along?

  • @stephwaylonwells3218
    @stephwaylonwells3218 3 роки тому +2

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone 👍

  • @robertj.2319
    @robertj.2319 2 роки тому

    Recommend using POLARIS CONECTORS INSTEAD OF WIRE NUTS if not using the terminal blocks!

  • @tedhicks5431
    @tedhicks5431 2 роки тому

    Yes use 181 foil tape love the sewer line in front of unit. I only keep 40 amp contacts has the lugs 1pole and double pole cost a little more

  • @SignorNessuno65
    @SignorNessuno65 Рік тому

    Damn! I wish I had someone like you in my town!

  • @vitoplower1119
    @vitoplower1119 3 роки тому

    Had to replace a ton of contactors with burnt coils on 3-5yr old ICP's condensers this year. ICP's A/H door insulations sticking up worse that others. I made my installers to put a coat of grease around before putting those doors back on. I'm big icp fan other than that

  • @zachosborne6577
    @zachosborne6577 Рік тому

    Some of our high end Lennox units have super cheap single pole contactors. They fail under warranty and our boss has us replace them with our better truck stock contactors.

  • @mcroley591
    @mcroley591 3 роки тому

    Funny thing… Trane’s Oxbox brand(stupid name) uses stick pins to help keep the door panel insulation in place. I was checking one out on display at Noland company.

  • @jkbrown5496
    @jkbrown5496 3 роки тому

    Watching the efforts with the too long driver, made me wonder and it does work. The hex that holds the bits is 3/8 hex and a 3/8 flare nut wrench works on it. And having a 3/8 flare nut wrench is useful to have on you in heating season for thermocouples. Just an idea I'm going to take up for such situations.

  • @bryansimon4072
    @bryansimon4072 3 роки тому

    Nice surprise, a Ted video on thanksgiving. Thankyou and happy turkey day.

  • @sdc7911
    @sdc7911 3 роки тому +1

    Every time I work on a Trane, I go on and get some silver tape.

  • @soundman6241
    @soundman6241 3 роки тому +1

    Wacome back everyone to the psychic professionals channel. ..today we will be diagnosing a no heat condition from the driveway.

  • @johnboy8191
    @johnboy8191 3 роки тому

    I carry a can of spray adhesive to repair insulation on the door like that your right i run into that issue all the time !

  • @bobgallo3775
    @bobgallo3775 3 роки тому

    Good luck with getting the factory to go along with any suggestions, Ted. Back in the 90's I was in Syracuse at Carrier, tried a similar request, it was met with an indignant no. Like your vids, keep them coming.

  • @welshpete12
    @welshpete12 2 роки тому

    They use those connectors on cars over here , known as spade connectors . The spade part is the bottom part , wider at the bottom end . So if you force them on they jam. Cheep and cheerly and a bloody nuisance to get off !

  • @northernmichigan936
    @northernmichigan936 3 роки тому +2

    Happy Thanksgiving Ted

  • @davidm7824
    @davidm7824 3 роки тому

    Another fine job. With all that dust in there I would wear a dust mask. You are breathing it all in.

  • @videorobo
    @videorobo 3 роки тому

    Happy Thanksgiving and have a Merry Christmas season!

  • @The-LongRoad-Home
    @The-LongRoad-Home 3 роки тому +1

    Love My Mitsubishi Air Handlers 🙌🏼🤙🏼Neoprene Gasket/Insulation

  • @bills6946
    @bills6946 Рік тому

    I would have put the thermostat into emergency heat mode and made sure the strips were working before packing up.

  • @fishyfool
    @fishyfool 3 роки тому +5

    Ted, I want the best warranty. What I consider the best warranty is the one I don't have to use.
    Make it good, make it right, I'll buy yours tonight.

  • @mariob3265
    @mariob3265 3 роки тому

    My last company was a trane dealer and the first cold day in texas i would get about 10 of these during the week, blown fuse shorted em heat contactor. It was really frustrating.

    • @mph5896
      @mph5896 3 роки тому +1

      Cant stop a Trane. A little more $ could have been spent to make a quality contactor to back up the advertising.

  • @johnboy8191
    @johnboy8191 3 роки тому +2

    Use your wire strippers thin nose clamp works perfect to grip the neck pull them spades off tellin ya will change ur life dealing with those things lol

  • @dc-wp8oc
    @dc-wp8oc 2 роки тому

    Aren't these devices / systems UL listed?

  • @russellhancock9765
    @russellhancock9765 3 роки тому +1

    Looks like a peice of foam board like My Dad had in Our Chicken Houses would work good for that door.

  • @antoniorangel4600
    @antoniorangel4600 3 роки тому

    Great video. I was told to me always change a contactor within 2 or 3 years old . They might look good reading right. But contactors do take a beating every year. What do you think?

  • @natep1661
    @natep1661 2 роки тому

    Is noone gonna mention the condensate overflow capped off?

  • @donaldpainter956
    @donaldpainter956 2 роки тому

    Yes I see that I'll take two pieces of drive almost the length of the door and screw it to the door and it will hold the insulation from going into the blower

  • @erikdroll8157
    @erikdroll8157 2 роки тому

    What manufacturer do you recommend?

  • @cranium33333
    @cranium33333 2 роки тому

    What is up with people in your are putting the vent on the wrong side of the pipe or no vent on the pee trap at all?

  • @jeffweber8244
    @jeffweber8244 3 роки тому

    How can I identify cheap vs good contactor ? What is a good mfr or replacements?

  • @d.l.harrington4080
    @d.l.harrington4080 3 роки тому

    Porcupine fin condenser coil Hait them. The "QD" terminals have to resist an X oz pull before they pull off per Mil Spec. (Military Specification). Looks like yours passed. The company my son worked for did testing for their approval. That company did not make cheaper ones sold by the corner store.

  • @Ted_E_Bear
    @Ted_E_Bear 3 роки тому +2

    Great job Cowboy !

  • @mansourramzey7711
    @mansourramzey7711 3 роки тому

    Another great video.
    I wish you had turned it on before putting the cover , i like to see the flame.
    Tks again
    U didn't wear your mask again in the attic. ✌🙏
    Happy Thanksgiving

  • @th-wt5pn
    @th-wt5pn 3 роки тому

    Would needle nose pliers help?

  • @Daniel-os9tb
    @Daniel-os9tb 2 роки тому

    Yup, been there before. Aka, warranty heat pump.

  • @mr.r9505
    @mr.r9505 3 роки тому

    Great video Ted Happy Thanksgiving

  • @mattluongo7763
    @mattluongo7763 3 роки тому

    Just had same exact problem on a Goodman this morning

  • @darrinbrown2980
    @darrinbrown2980 3 роки тому +1

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  • @aldntn
    @aldntn 3 роки тому +1

    There was a time when components were qualified by test. No more I guess.

  • @clintgray1623
    @clintgray1623 2 роки тому +2

    Get some needle nose pliers, i take them everywhere for everything

    • @clintgray1623
      @clintgray1623 2 роки тому

      And silver duct tape around perimeter of door insulation

  • @csterett
    @csterett 3 роки тому

    Sometimes I think the should just stamp it with a big "U" for unrepairable assembly!

  • @ishalljr
    @ishalljr 3 роки тому

    If you use the tip of your wire strippers they come right off.
    Thanks for the video.

  • @timcook7949
    @timcook7949 3 роки тому

    I just had to replace a contactor on the same Trane air handler about a month ago, the 2nd stage contactor failed about 2 weeks later. Very disappointing quality.

    • @realSamAndrew
      @realSamAndrew 3 роки тому

      You probably took all those profit tricks with you when you became the CEO of Apple! That's why the iPhone is a cash cow. 😁

  • @albertmcalister9066
    @albertmcalister9066 2 роки тому

    When you install the air handler tape from the flange of the door to the tinsulation

  • @bills6946
    @bills6946 Рік тому

    More often than not, the team that designed a part or unit, never installed or serviced one. Therein lies the problem.

  • @OcRefrig
    @OcRefrig 3 роки тому

    a Piece of sheet metal on the inside of the door will stop the insulation from being sucked off the door. cut a piece of metal a little smaller than door , drill 4 holes in it , and rivet it to the inside of the door. should be problem solved.

    • @throttlebottle5906
      @throttlebottle5906 3 роки тому

      just some scrap strips of duct and zip screws will work fine. just don't screw into your hand 🤣🤣

  • @GreyRockOne
    @GreyRockOne 3 роки тому

    You have very high aspirations for corporate America, especially Trane, just carrier on..

  • @hvactechwanttobe1499
    @hvactechwanttobe1499 3 роки тому

    Armchair warrior is here
    Looks to me condensation drain line is hooked up to secondary port good fix Ted

  • @masterniloc
    @masterniloc 2 роки тому

    Why not just use another brand of contactor? It’s not like there’s anything special about a contactor that any electrical supplier can’t provided and probably a way higher quality.

  • @tylerrowe6380
    @tylerrowe6380 3 роки тому

    Question ted, have you had trouble with trane coils leaking???????

    • @tylerrowe6380
      @tylerrowe6380 3 роки тому

      It seems like I changed out so many that were leaking last summer. And some systems were under 2 years old and you could actually hear the damn leak

  • @danwittels5542
    @danwittels5542 3 роки тому

    Unfortunately the MBA's run everything thing now, that's why you get crap components. In the old days the engineers ran the company and things lasted. Happy Thanksgiving a little late.

  • @chatrkat
    @chatrkat Рік тому

    She’s a crispy one mama! 😝

  • @marvinsellers4457
    @marvinsellers4457 Рік тому

    Hoss it’s not just Trane I’ve ran into more factory boo-boo for the money it just doesn’t make sense

  • @paulsalerno2084
    @paulsalerno2084 3 роки тому +1

    Happy Thanksgiving

  • @moodyga40
    @moodyga40 3 роки тому

    must have a bit of current through the contactor

  • @tedsmith5058
    @tedsmith5058 3 роки тому

    Hello from the great state of Michigan

  • @jimw7ry
    @jimw7ry 2 роки тому

    Hey Ted... They make long nose pliers for that... !!! LOL...

  • @SlimPickinsXCIV
    @SlimPickinsXCIV 2 роки тому

    Those TEM heater contactors are pretty hard to get to if the lugs are installed but the heaters on the GAF air handlers are 10x worse. Horrible design and almost impossible to get to the contactor when it inevitably fails

  • @georgeschikschneit7142
    @georgeschikschneit7142 3 роки тому

    Put a duct liner pin to hold insulation in place

  • @johnwalker890
    @johnwalker890 3 роки тому

    Good job Ted.

  • @jeffreywhitlatch1409
    @jeffreywhitlatch1409 3 роки тому +1

    Yep, MFR's do not listen.