This was a great episode, but I'm still crossing my fingers for 80's part 2: a 12-piece double-bass kit with giant square toms, octobans, 200 lbs of cymbals, and a Simmons e-kit on the other side of the throne. ;-)
I can’t say enough good things about this site.I discovered it recently. The topic was low tuned Tom sounds. These instructional’s are so professionally done and articulate. The best for me I’ve seen. Having been an active touring and recording drummer for decades, I picked up on this stuff slowly over the years. No you tube. But gotta say, I’ve learned a lot recently and have had wisdom validated from watching this cool channel. That always feels good.
Great episode! I really love the drum sounds that came out of the '80s. After recently re-watching the "Steve Gadd - In Session" video (1985), I noticed that one way he controlled his sound back then (and still today) was to leave his stick in contact with the cymbals, rather than always rebounding. He notes in the video that it allows him to control the length of the tone, specifically to match the length of notes from the bass player. Just one of the things that make his playing recognizable, independent of hardware, heads, & tuning.
Long live the 80’s! I carry both Remo and Evans rings with me for different sounds depending on the sound I want on a particular song. They’re great for on the fly changes.
I use Evans hydraulics red and I absolutely love them. Yeah pizza box my pepperoni, these babies thump! I started playing in the 80's so I'm very influenced by that era.
It'd be cool to see a showcase on commonly sought after kits. I.e. Sonor Teardrops, Ludwig Black Oyster Downbeat, Ludwig Acrilite etc... You could start with a little history, the artist, and finally the overall tuning range/diversity of the kit.
Another winner. I've really enjoyed this "decades" series, and I agree that there was a lot happening with drums in the 80s--not all of it good, of course--and you made a good choice to zero in on that Gadd sound. Your dilemmas as to what kind of representative sound to pick will only grow when you tackle the 90s and beyond. Have you ever put a Moon Gel on a reso head?
I bought the 2LP set of the "Knight Rider" (Stu Phillips) soundtrack recorded in late 1982 . - listened to it entirely tonite.. and it's filled with amazing dry drum / snare sounds and really choice drumming patterns that are very groove worthy and creative.
Very interesting that the growling is highly dependent on the place of listening! I work as an engineer in loudspeaker design, so I now some stuff about vibrating membranes. If something is not audible straight above the vibrating membrane (drumhead) you have a asymmetric kind of vibration going on, that is called "rocking mode". Like this gif shows: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrations_of_a_circular_membrane#/media/File%3ADrum_vibration_mode12.gif If you listen straight from above the drum, there is a equally distanced part of the head moving down and one moving up. Both cancel each other out. That is not the case if you listen off axis. The different distance to up and down movement course phase shifts that can potentially get them IN phase! So you can hear them very clearly. The interesting thing is, that the frequency at witch these rocking modes exist are usually not part of the harmonic series that corresponds to the fundamental of your drum. So they sound a bit odd. The "funky overtones" you now...
i know for you who are sponsored by Evans, it's complicated to say but, the 80's were mainly Remo heads. pinstripes 2 ply toms + control sound snare head was the norm "Rockwise" or even clear control sound everywhere like Bonham but it was more 70's. very few were going that route for Rock in the 80's. i recall that Evans was appreciated more by Jazz players and stuff like that.
Just to be clear, we’re not sponsored by Evans and aren’t obligated to say anything regarding brands. Based on the sounds we were going for here, we went with the heads that were used. Were Remo Pinstripes skyrocketing in popularity throughout the ‘80s? Absolutely! So was hair metal but, as we acknowledged at the beginning of the episode, we focused in on a specific sound and style in order to keep this from turning into a short film. Thanks for watching.
@@SoundsLikeADrum i understand that, but in terms of sound, Evans and Remo don't have the same soul. you are close with that setup but not really pinpoint accurate. if you reproduce the same approach with Remo heads, you'd have a sound that really calls for memory from the 80's Rock. there, it has more of a "pop" sound than Rock. because a title that says "80's" is pretty vast. in the 80's there was not only 1 genre emerging. that's why for me, at least, you should have done with both brands to represent the whole spectrum from that era. of course the video would've been a bit longer but at least more representative. cheers.
Yeah, I remember in the late 90s/early 2000s that the floor tom sizes like 14x12 were very popular and the most popular tuning for toms was "maximum resonance".
Damn you Cody! Hydraulic heads are like nails on a chalkboard to me......they have the acoustic quality of using those disposable aluminum trays you put a turkey in and throw in the oven........I love y'all......but damn did you all try to kill me with that love....
As an aquarian player I don't have any experience with Evans hydraulics. For an 80s vibe with aquarian though, the Performance 2s will certainly get you there. I don't think they're quite as muffled as hydraulics but they still sound great tuned low and punchy
Talking about adding mass to the head reminded me of El Estepario’s snare where he had like a 5 pound weight on the batter head. Did you all notice that?
Yeah...that's some extreme muffling. There are certainly other ways to get that sound with greater versatility and functionality but it may not get as many likes on Instagram or TikTok.
@@SoundsLikeADrum maybe you all should do an episode on things you can do to your drums to get more views. Step one, add 5 lbs weight to your snare. lol
Recently Ive been using JAW tuning and cottonballs and Moon Gels for recording. I typically do Metal and Pop Punk sessions and these techniques give me a pretty sharp transient and a dead sound. with proper compression and saturation, my toms sound so thick and punchy with a really short decay. This episode has me considering Hydraulic heads too! Cheers!
First things first: great video! I wanna say I recently tried Evans Hydraulic (blue) on my Pearl Sensitone Steel snare drum and it sounded surprisingly very good. I want to test Hydraulics on my toms in the future. I also tried Level 360 on this snare. I'm used to Remo drum heads and still like them, but Evans really started to "seduce" me 😄 EMAD II Clear BD ROCKS!
HOW ABOUT PINSTRIPES BY REMO WITH NO RESO YOU GET VINNY APPICE AND GIL MOORE TYPE OF SOUNDS PRETY FUN TO TRY HEY LOVE YOUR VIDS AS ALWAYS CAN WAIT FOR NEXT WEEK NICE WORK TO ALL THE TEAM BEHIND YOU 🤟🏼🤟🏼👏👏🥁🇨🇦
Yes and no. Part of the quality of tom tone is dependent on the batter heads being quite slack. You don't need to have Hydraulic batters but a two ply (due to the mass) will help make it easier to achieve.
Traction. UA-cam doesn't know how awesome this channel is because not too many people, even among drummers, want *extreme* precision in explanations of drum tone. The people like you and me who want that sort of thing, absolutely love this channel though
I prefer a more modern and open sound, but I tune my drums like this at home because I find it produces less noise for the neighbors (and my partner inside the house for that matter).
Cool sounds, takes me back. :-) And I can see a future video for everyone that tunes their toms super low - tune the resonant head right if you want the sound to travel at all!
I’ve got black hydraulics on everything but my kick, that has a emad onyx on it. I love them, especially for the hair rock of yesteryear. I’m heavy handed and they barley look touched.
I love your videos. In my opinion this is more of an early eighties take on drum sounds. Perhaps more of a late eighties power toms and bigger sounds type of approach would be a good follow up. The trends don't always follow the decades in perfect 10 year increments. Especially with all the variety of the eighties as you mentioned.
Gadd is a phenomenal drummer. By far not my favorite drum sound. I can like dry cymbals, I actually have an older 21 inch K special dry ride, but I like open drum tones. My personal approach. 😁🤙
I love your channel. However I have never been a fan of this type of drum sound. It does seem to be making a comeback at least among UA-cam drum cover type videos with mostly younger drummers. I'm not sure if it's coming back in professional circles or not. Perhaps it's more of the music I listen to, but it seems like the pros are still more open--especially with their tom tones.
+soundslikeadrum *Innovations of the 21st Century allow one to reproduce the synth-drum tones of the '80's acoustically.* Evans Drumhead Division, J. D'Addario and Company, developed the ideal kick batter for the bass tone of the Roland® TR-808 in the EMAD® Heavyweight series, which (as P/N BD22EMADHW) I've paired with a TAMA-branded REMO® Ebony Ambassador (P/N ES-1022-00) as the resonant on my TAMA®/Hoshino® seven-piece poplarbuilt; still need a tuning interval that will allow me to staccato with the beater-bury technique. Fun Fact: Fred Zarr of BiZarr Music used a TR-808 on the first single of one of our fellow UA-camrs: *ONLY IN MY DREAMS (Vocal/Radio Mix) / DEBBIE GIBSON* (Atlantic/WMG single 89322, February 1987) (Deborah Gibson) Hal Leonard LLC/Birdsong, ASCAP Originally published 1984 by Creative Bloc Music, Limited (ASCAP), New York, NY, USA. Still need to rebuild a ø14"x6½" steel snare (I've a TAMA shell for the purpose) to take EVANS®/D'Adddario® SB14MHW top/SS14MX5 bottom with TAMA®/Hoshino® MS20M14ST snare unit to achieve the insanely short snare tone of the -808.
Funny that you should bring up the Heavyweight series, as that was one of my projects at D’Addario. The EMAD heads (all of the variations) are great for producing more of those electronic sounds and we’ve had a lot of fun with those in some past episodes. Cheers! -Ben
This was a great episode, but I'm still crossing my fingers for 80's part 2: a 12-piece double-bass kit with giant square toms, octobans, 200 lbs of cymbals, and a Simmons e-kit on the other side of the throne. ;-)
😵😵💫😂
@@SoundsLikeADrum An 18" floor tom would've been awesome with that tuning.
You mean those Nicko toms?!
Alex Van Halen wants to know your location
My favorite video of yours so far. There’s something about super low tuned Tom’s that I love
I can’t say enough good things about this site.I discovered it recently.
The topic was low tuned Tom sounds.
These instructional’s are so professionally done and articulate.
The best for me I’ve seen.
Having been an active touring and recording drummer for decades,
I picked up on this stuff slowly over the years. No you tube.
But gotta say, I’ve learned a lot recently and have had wisdom validated from watching this cool channel.
That always feels good.
Great episode! I really love the drum sounds that came out of the '80s. After recently re-watching the "Steve Gadd - In Session" video (1985), I noticed that one way he controlled his sound back then (and still today) was to leave his stick in contact with the cymbals, rather than always rebounding. He notes in the video that it allows him to control the length of the tone, specifically to match the length of notes from the bass player. Just one of the things that make his playing recognizable, independent of hardware, heads, & tuning.
Long live the 80’s!
I carry both Remo and Evans rings with me for different sounds depending on the sound I want on a particular song.
They’re great for on the fly changes.
Was wondering how you guys were going to pull off the 80's, and you really nailed it with your choice. Great great work.
I grew up in the 80s that was the best ERA of all time so I wish we could go back
Separate note - PROVE ME WRONG! You were playing Quiet Riot - Cum on Feel the Noize at 10:05!
Leeeeeeez GOOOOOOO!
This is awesome. Instantly made me think of Gadd’s performance at the Zildjian Day in ‘84.
I love some great 80s rock songs! They. Are so inspiring! Great Job!🥁🥁🤘🤘
I'm looking forward to the twangy, high-tuned snare drums of the '90's!
one of my favorite songs from that era is Steele Dan's Aja
Just back into drumming after 30 year absence. Love this sound and been trying to duplicate it on my Simmons 1200 E-kit with no luck.
I use Evans hydraulics red and I absolutely love them. Yeah pizza box my pepperoni, these babies thump!
I started playing in the 80's so I'm very influenced by that era.
Despite all the hate on the hydraulic heads, I think most of us can agree that in this video they sound DEADLY 🔥
I wanted them in the 1970s sounds tbh.
I don't recall any 80's drum sounds that were dry. Massive gated reverb and compression was the rage.
It'd be cool to see a showcase on commonly sought after kits. I.e. Sonor Teardrops, Ludwig Black Oyster Downbeat, Ludwig Acrilite etc... You could start with a little history, the artist, and finally the overall tuning range/diversity of the kit.
I’d kill for a sonor vintage ngl
For a moment I heard ZZTop 'Gimme all your lovin'.
Another winner. I've really enjoyed this "decades" series, and I agree that there was a lot happening with drums in the 80s--not all of it good, of course--and you made a good choice to zero in on that Gadd sound. Your dilemmas as to what kind of representative sound to pick will only grow when you tackle the 90s and beyond.
Have you ever put a Moon Gel on a reso head?
I bought the 2LP set of the "Knight Rider" (Stu Phillips) soundtrack recorded in late 1982 . - listened to it entirely tonite.. and it's filled with amazing dry drum / snare sounds and really choice drumming patterns that are very groove worthy and creative.
Another amazing video and very helpful, considering i was fighting to get a punchy sound from my toms.
Thanks guys.
Very interesting that the growling is highly dependent on the place of listening!
I work as an engineer in loudspeaker design, so I now some stuff about vibrating membranes. If something is not audible straight above the vibrating membrane (drumhead) you have a asymmetric kind of vibration going on, that is called "rocking mode". Like this gif shows:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrations_of_a_circular_membrane#/media/File%3ADrum_vibration_mode12.gif
If you listen straight from above the drum, there is a equally distanced part of the head moving down and one moving up. Both cancel each other out. That is not the case if you listen off axis. The different distance to up and down movement course phase shifts that can potentially get them IN phase! So you can hear them very clearly.
The interesting thing is, that the frequency at witch these rocking modes exist are usually not part of the harmonic series that corresponds to the fundamental of your drum. So they sound a bit odd. The "funky overtones" you now...
Very interesting comment!
Really dig this one!
i know for you who are sponsored by Evans, it's complicated to say but, the 80's were mainly Remo heads. pinstripes 2 ply toms + control sound snare head was the norm "Rockwise" or even clear control sound everywhere like Bonham but it was more 70's. very few were going that route for Rock in the 80's. i recall that Evans was appreciated more by Jazz players and stuff like that.
Just to be clear, we’re not sponsored by Evans and aren’t obligated to say anything regarding brands. Based on the sounds we were going for here, we went with the heads that were used. Were Remo Pinstripes skyrocketing in popularity throughout the ‘80s? Absolutely! So was hair metal but, as we acknowledged at the beginning of the episode, we focused in on a specific sound and style in order to keep this from turning into a short film. Thanks for watching.
@@SoundsLikeADrum i understand that, but in terms of sound, Evans and Remo don't have the same soul. you are close with that setup but not really pinpoint accurate. if you reproduce the same approach with Remo heads, you'd have a sound that really calls for memory from the 80's Rock. there, it has more of a "pop" sound than Rock. because a title that says "80's" is pretty vast. in the 80's there was not only 1 genre emerging. that's why for me, at least, you should have done with both brands to represent the whole spectrum from that era. of course the video would've been a bit longer but at least more representative. cheers.
I looking forward to the drum sounds of the 90s
Yeah, I remember in the late 90s/early 2000s that the floor tom sizes like 14x12 were very popular and the most popular tuning for toms was "maximum resonance".
@@shalaq I still play those "fusion" sizes. I got hooked on em.
Loved your Everybody Wants to Rule the World groove. Spot on!
Damn you Cody!
Hydraulic heads are like nails on a chalkboard to me......they have the acoustic quality of using those disposable aluminum trays you put a turkey in and throw in the oven........I love y'all......but damn did you all try to kill me with that love....
There must be 50 ways...
80's reggae had some awesome drumsounds. Check Black Uhuru to start! Love these vids!!
As an aquarian player I don't have any experience with Evans hydraulics. For an 80s vibe with aquarian though, the Performance 2s will certainly get you there. I don't think they're quite as muffled as hydraulics but they still sound great tuned low and punchy
If you get the dotted PF2's..... It's even closer.
I prefer Aquarian to Evans overall.
Talking about adding mass to the head reminded me of El Estepario’s snare where he had like a 5 pound weight on the batter head. Did you all notice that?
Yeah...that's some extreme muffling. There are certainly other ways to get that sound with greater versatility and functionality but it may not get as many likes on Instagram or TikTok.
@@SoundsLikeADrum maybe you all should do an episode on things you can do to your drums to get more views. Step one, add 5 lbs weight to your snare. lol
I love the punchy sounds in this video
Recently Ive been using JAW tuning and cottonballs and Moon Gels for recording. I typically do Metal and Pop Punk sessions and these techniques give me a pretty sharp transient and a dead sound. with proper compression and saturation, my toms sound so thick and punchy with a really short decay. This episode has me considering Hydraulic heads too! Cheers!
First things first: great video!
I wanna say I recently tried Evans Hydraulic (blue) on my Pearl Sensitone Steel snare drum and it sounded surprisingly very good. I want to test Hydraulics on my toms in the future. I also tried Level 360 on this snare. I'm used to Remo drum heads and still like them, but Evans really started to "seduce" me 😄 EMAD II Clear BD ROCKS!
The snare sound on AC/DC's Back in Black album.
HOW ABOUT PINSTRIPES BY REMO WITH NO RESO YOU GET VINNY APPICE AND GIL MOORE TYPE OF SOUNDS PRETY FUN TO TRY HEY LOVE YOUR VIDS AS ALWAYS CAN WAIT FOR NEXT WEEK NICE WORK TO ALL THE TEAM BEHIND YOU 🤟🏼🤟🏼👏👏🥁🇨🇦
IRON MAIDEN
VAN HALEN
AEROSMITH
RUSH
🤘😎🤘
Enough said...!
Tom wise you can still achieve this by tuning the bottom heads low and the batter higher,Thus getting a good rebound still.
Yes and no. Part of the quality of tom tone is dependent on the batter heads being quite slack. You don't need to have Hydraulic batters but a two ply (due to the mass) will help make it easier to achieve.
dude this channel is awesome. youtube, wtf didn't you recommend it?
Traction. UA-cam doesn't know how awesome this channel is because not too many people, even among drummers, want *extreme* precision in explanations of drum tone. The people like you and me who want that sort of thing, absolutely love this channel though
Great vid!!! I've placed some cotton balls in every drum..... Sounds great.... Low and fat:)
I prefer a more modern and open sound, but I tune my drums like this at home because I find it produces less noise for the neighbors (and my partner inside the house for that matter).
Speaking of hydraulics, I read that Neil Peart’s up until the mid 80s used an equivalent to hydraulics batter and reso. Just cranked haha
Yep, he was using Hydraulics.
@@SoundsLikeADrum totally not the heads I pictured listening to those albums haha
Cool sounds, takes me back. :-) And I can see a future video for everyone that tunes their toms super low - tune the resonant head right if you want the sound to travel at all!
I’ve got black hydraulics on everything but my kick, that has a emad onyx on it. I love them, especially for the hair rock of yesteryear. I’m heavy handed and they barley look touched.
Yogi Horton live with Bob James
dat snare
Let me just grab some PinStripes, and I'll be right with ya 😄
I love Pinstripes. Hydraulics do nothing for me, they sound like I'm playing the boxes that the drums came in.
True. But then you have total opposite of 80’s. Area rock and heavy metal. Thats a whole other beast, from canon toms and snares to shimmery cymbals.
Exactly! There were so many different things happening at once, though it’s interesting to see where the similarities were.
I love your videos. In my opinion this is more of an early eighties take on drum sounds. Perhaps more of a late eighties power toms and bigger sounds type of approach would be a good follow up. The trends don't always follow the decades in perfect 10 year increments. Especially with all the variety of the eighties as you mentioned.
Gadd is a phenomenal drummer. By far not my favorite drum sound. I can like dry cymbals, I actually have an older 21 inch K special dry ride, but I like open drum tones. My personal approach. 😁🤙
I love your channel. However I have never been a fan of this type of drum sound. It does seem to be making a comeback at least among UA-cam drum cover type videos with mostly younger drummers. I'm not sure if it's coming back in professional circles or not. Perhaps it's more of the music I listen to, but it seems like the pros are still more open--especially with their tom tones.
🥳👍🇫🇮
+soundslikeadrum *Innovations of the 21st Century allow one to reproduce the synth-drum tones of the '80's acoustically.* Evans Drumhead Division, J. D'Addario and Company, developed the ideal kick batter for the bass tone of the Roland® TR-808 in the EMAD® Heavyweight series, which (as P/N BD22EMADHW) I've paired with a TAMA-branded REMO® Ebony Ambassador (P/N ES-1022-00) as the resonant on my TAMA®/Hoshino® seven-piece poplarbuilt; still need a tuning interval that will allow me to staccato with the beater-bury technique. Fun Fact: Fred Zarr of BiZarr Music used a TR-808 on the first single of one of our fellow UA-camrs:
*ONLY IN MY DREAMS (Vocal/Radio Mix) / DEBBIE GIBSON* (Atlantic/WMG single 89322, February 1987)
(Deborah Gibson) Hal Leonard LLC/Birdsong, ASCAP
Originally published 1984 by Creative Bloc Music, Limited (ASCAP), New York, NY, USA.
Still need to rebuild a ø14"x6½" steel snare (I've a TAMA shell for the purpose) to take EVANS®/D'Adddario® SB14MHW top/SS14MX5 bottom with TAMA®/Hoshino® MS20M14ST snare unit to achieve the insanely short snare tone of the -808.
Funny that you should bring up the Heavyweight series, as that was one of my projects at D’Addario. The EMAD heads (all of the variations) are great for producing more of those electronic sounds and we’ve had a lot of fun with those in some past episodes. Cheers! -Ben
screw this i'm going back to the 70's. cant listen.