@Sarah Cook. Wow! From where I was filming it looked like you touched down on the runway the first time but then aborted..did they make any cabin announcements? What was it like being on board?!!
@@HeathrowAircraft yes we did touch down - one set of wheels anyway. I was just saying how smooth the approach was based off the fact we were told to expect a bumpy ride and, then we lifted off. They explained they got hit by gust at last minute so went around for safety. Second approach was binned due to a warning in the cockpit not sure what possibly potential wind shear. Third one was all very calm. I was personally quite happy as ex-ppl holder the weather did not seem to extreme, but we had a few people who were extremely stressed. Comms were good from both cabin and the flight deck when they had time, it was a fairly intense period for them high workload at the end of a long flight. The go around were really not that eventful, on the upper deck, it really feels very smooth as they lift off. As the captain said after, one go around is normal. Two not at all. But safety was their first priority, so they erred on the side of caution.
@@sarahcook1870 excellent - thanks for sharing from an “insider’s” perspective! I think you’re right re their high workload. The crew mis hear the London control frequency on the 2nd go around - must have been a lot to deal with at the end of that long flight. Glad you corroborated what happened on first landing. What was interesting was that none of the smaller aircraft coming in before or after the a380 had to go around. Even a tiny ATR 72 sailed in as if it was a normal day! Must be the sheer size of the aircraft that makes it like a giant wind sail when those gusts occur. Thanks again Sarah. Best wishes Steve
Yes it is a really hit and miss thing, On our 3rd attempt the A380 in front of us had to go around yet we made it down. Thanks again for capturing it, was good to see it from the outside. Hoping for better weather for my Thursday flight.
@imp dal. It must have felt quite concerning I’m sure - especially when you touched down on the runway first time but then lifted off again. And then to go around the 2nd time!! On the 3rd approach the aircraft just in front of you was a Singapore A380 and that had to go around so I was holding my breath to see if you’d make it down 3rd time!!🤢
@@jebson1 hi Jay yes I agree! At least on that 3rd attempt, the pax didn’t see the Singapore A380 ahead of them going round. Must have been disconcerting to the BA crew knowing they might have to do a 4th attempt!!
@@emmadeal1105 Hi Emma I don’t think there’s a prescribed maximum number - I think it’s more in the crew’s jurisdiction and based on remaining fuel; weather at alternate diversion airfields and likelihood of improving conditions at destination airfield. 3 times feels like a lot though I’m sure for those on board!
the go around is the most professional decision in aviation i applaude every captain who goes around because he didnt crash out of hurt pride or a big ego but kept EVERYONE on board safe !
Exactly. Even when the main gear is on the ground. With an aircraft the size and weight of a 380, ensure that you are central and pointing in the correct direction, before you drop the nose. LOL
Ladies snd gentelmen, this is capitain speaking. I have just finished reading my "how to land the 380" manual. We're ready to land now 😀 Seriously, respect to the pilots! Cheers to everyone!
@Melvyn Cox. Hi Melvyn thanks very much! Hope all is well with you? Yes you’re right re the flight safety. Evidently there was a possible wind shear warning on the 2nd approach. On the 3rd approach the Singapore a380 ahead of them went around due to wind shear! Thanks for watching and hope you’re keeping well. Best wishes Steve
@Gert Madsen. Absolutely yes. Apparently there was a strong gust just as it touched down first time and on the second approach a warning of possible wind shear. High crew workload after a long flight though!
I experienced three go arounds once on an Air New Zealand flight trying to land at a fogged out airport at night on the island of Tonga. It was a frightening experience as we had no idea what was going on until the pilot got on the microphone and said we had to divert to Fiji. My Aunty on the ground said the plane was missing the runway by quite a bit and actually flying over the carpark . White knuckle ride and some passengers were crying. It would be another 25 years before I got in a plane again after that experience
@Aviation Daily. Hi much as I would like to help, regrettably I will have to say “no” as my experience has shown that there is no “cross feed” back to the original source channel when clips are re uploaded onto a larger channel. All the traffic and income go to the larger channel not the owner of the materiall!! Regards Steve
All training says if for any reason it doesn’t feel right/stable, go around. Always a better decision than trying to force it. Too risky… especially in those conditions.
@Planespotting Ringway. Thanks a lot. Yes I was surprised that the a380s fared so badly with that wind. None of the “smaller” aircraft had to go around during the period I was filming except for BA A380 and a Singapore a380 as well?🤔
@Z X the Singapore crew reported wind shear (you can just about make it out on the comms after they report they are going around) The operating procedure evidently says that in the event of wind shear the aircraft should remain in the same configuration until after the situation has resolved. …
Huh! I arrived on a BA A350 from San Diego a couple of hours earlier that day. Not too bad considering the conditions, though we were in a holding pattern.
At a busy airport such as LHR does an aircraft on a go-around have to join the back of the queue or do they have a standard place back in line with others being bumped?
@kroo7 Hi - good question! I included a screen shot of “Flight Radar 24” in my film for both of the go arounds. You can see the general heading and direction that the A380 is directed to and although it doesn’t show it on the screenshot, they were both times directed to turn onto the localiser over London. The time from go around to re joining the queue was about 6 or so minutes on both occasions, with the approach itself then taking another 6 or so minutes…..
@SJ15 hi yes that’s an interesting point. I know they have to carry sufficient fuel for circling and diversion - I notice that an Air India 787 diverted to Gatwick earlier that day so that could have been an alternative. Logistics nightmare thinking about crew hours being exceeded / pax transfers etc!!!
All credit to the flight deck crew, I would love to have been a passenger on that 380 2 extra take off's and 3 extra landings for free. Unfortunately never been on a go around flight .
I have as passenger and as pilot done many many go arounds in training. I remember on one local solo with low flight hours under my belt doing 3 go arounds while the wind belted away. This was on Long Island New York where we do get strong geothermals during our sizzling summer afternoons. I. made it down though to tell the tale today!
I was actually the captain of this flight. Only just been shown this video by a family member of mine, if you want to know anything please ask away this was a flight i'll never forget. Thankyou for all of the kind comments.
@kenzguerns Hi Ken - thank you very much! It certainly was a wild day wasn’t it? (Today doesn’t seem much better!) If you would like a clean copy let me know as I have the original footage still in my archive. My email is aviationheathrow@gmail.com (no dot between the 2 words!) All the best Steve
I was on a BA A320 Frankfurt flight and we landed at around 08:30am on the 13th and I have never been thrown around as we were during the approach. I wasn't concerned, to be honest there's no point worrying, just enjoy the ride.
I don't know what the crosswind landing factor is on a 380. On a 747-400 a wind of 210/20 wouldn't necessarily be a problem. It depends on the gusts. The systems will pick up a windshear situation and give a warning which necessitates a go around. coming from SFO, 3 go arounds would be pushing your fuel reserves. Stanstead up the road with a runway heading of 23 is the nearest alternative in these conditions. It depends on your fuel situation. If I had been a pax, I would have been concerned after the second go around!
@Edward Ewen Hi Edward yes good points. I understand from a pax who was on the flight and who is a pilot, that there was a windshear warning on the 2nd approach which necessitated the go around. I remember when the “cross wind” runway 23 at LHR used to be operational in conditions like these - April and October were the key months most years. Yes wonder what the fuel reserves were at that 3rd attempt. Interesting that just ahead of BA on that 3rd attempt, a Singapore A380 had to go around because of a wind shear warning…..
@JWG UK hi I would say around a mile from runway threshold - if the glideslope is approx 300 feet per mile then we’d be looking at somewhere between 300-500 feet I estimate …
@@HeathrowAircraft Not sure it was awesome! I was wondering what was going on as the pilot didn’t come in for a wee while. Meanwhile my girlfriend who is not a fan of flying was a bit scared but she was behind me so I couldn’t see her distress
@Daniel Oliveira. Hi Daniel thank you! Glad you liked the film. A companion film from the same day is coming out later today so keep an eye out for a notification! Best wishes Steve
Captain must have taken a load of extra fuel to have the luxury of a balked landing and a go-around. A balked landing is when the wheels touch the runway or the intention was to land, for instance if the flare is initiated. A go-around is conducted from a greater height, for instance before the threshold of the runway is passed
@Victor Grasscourt. Hi Victor -yes I understand from a pax on the flight that there was a sudden gust just as it touched down first time - and a wind shear warning on the second approach. Must be quite stressful after a long flight!
@@HeathrowAircraft A wind shear warning is an automatic go around. That is the procedure, the pilots have no choice. Twin engined aircraft generally have greater crosswind limits. Manufacturers set these limits for crosswinds as the ability of pilots does vary.
In hindsight, they should've stuck the landing on the 1st attempt. Their wheels touched the ground. Once you are on the ground, wind shear isn't as dangerous as if you are say still descending. The 2nd landing attempt the wind was even higher. They are lucky their 3rd attempt the wind was better, otherwise, they risk a potential crash due to lack of fuel.
@Patrick James. Yes it was quite spectacular wasn’t it! I understand from a passenger on board that the go around was because of wind shear - and the first attempt was aborted because of a gust just as they were touching down. 3rd time lucky!
20 knots is not that much of a wind but we don’t know what was going on up in the air and in the cockpit. Maybe a sudden strong gust that puts that giant aircraft into an unstabilized approach and a rejected landing.
@hakanturgun5989 Hi yes I understand that when there is wind shear the protocol is to keep the aircraft in the same configuration until the wind shear warning has passed.
@Simon Matthews. Yes the wind was 210 to 220 degrees; landing on a 270 degree runway. I remember runway 23 when it was still in operation at LHR - would have been an easier landing with that orientation.
I was the FO on this flight.... we nearly had a 3rd go around, which would have meant a divert to BHX (Birmingham) but managed to get a good run in eventually. Third time lucky as the saying goes
@meddylad Ah! I wondered if you nearly had to do a 3rd go around as the Singapore A380 ahead of you had to do so - I think because of a possible wind shear warning? Interesting that diversion Airport would have been BHX. I’ve got a bit of extra footage of you after the go around if you wanted your own bespoke film? Let me know - it’s Steve email is aviationheathrow@gmail.com (no dot between the words!) best wishes s.
@Wapp High. Hi no the former “crosswind” runway 23 which was ideal for these conditions was closed back in the early 1990s to create the Terminal 4 Early Baggage store (I was involved in the project at the time ) so there is no closer aligned runway than the 27 L and R (270 degrees) or the reciprocal 09s …..
@@HeathrowAircraft What? Safety over some baggage storage? Well that is disgraceful - why did they safety authorities in the UK allow the closer of runway 23? At *the* busiest airport in the world.
@Wapp High. I don’t think it’s as serious as it might sound. The crews all train for landing in crosswinds regularly - and if the winds were beyond safe operating limits then either they enter a holding pattern until conditions are more favourable or they divert to alternative airports. They always carry sufficient reserves of fuel for holding and diverting and still have a minimum reserve even allowing for those additional factors …
My mum asked me if i ever felt guilty for getting a slight kick from go arounds at the expense of passengers being scared on board. I said Game is Game
@Malcolm Hammond. Yes it’s interesting isn’t it - one viewer who evidently is a pilot said it was probably because of the wind shear warning. It’s hard to pick up on the comms but the crew on the SIA flight say “Singapore 308 is going around” (…here) which in all likelihood is “wind shear” but just not picked up clearly. I’m not an expert but this is apparently practice to keep landing gear down in these circumstances. Don’t know if that’s the case or whether it was just crew workload that delayed retraction……
@thecockerel yes I reckon you’re right!! Added pressure on that 3rd attempt as the a380 just in front of them went around due to wind shear (see my other film)!ua-cam.com/video/_gNpuLc3seM/v-deo.html
@Peter Johnson - I do get where you are coming from. Must have been scary - but the crews are very well trained and practice these events in the simulator frequently - but I do understand what you mean...
@Kevster 100 yes the wind was blowing quite a crosswind that day (50-60 degrees off runway heading) and there were some wind shear winds warning too so tricky conditions for a big bird!
@Abu Ubaidah Hi Abu- yes I don’t know why I kept the camera running after the first landing - was just about to turn it off when I saw it rising back up off the runway! Had to see what happened then! 💨✈️
@Raj Nirvan. Hi Raj yes as others have been saying, they must have been getting to the point where a diversion was being factored in - especially after the long flight from the west coast of the states….
@@HeathrowAircraft Cheers..I just wondered how much fuel they'd still have after 2 go-arounds though, after applying a fair degree of thrust to climb out twice. It's not quite the same as holding.
@@nigelwilliams9307 hi Nigel yes - it must have burned a lot of fuel. I think I read that normally 2 is about it and then they consider the diversion option….
@Dogsnark Yes - can you imagine?! I know they factor in minimum reserves allowing for diversions etc - but still must drink a lot of fuel executing 2 TOGAs!
A GO AROUND is no big deal... just the standard,safest course of action. The weather at LHR was NOT stormy at all. The reported winds were not that high.... The cross wind was NOT at all excessive. ...just 60 degrees off which makes it about 15 kts crosswind with no gust for the first approach. The go arounds were due to poorly judged approaches. Too far down the runway..... and then not in the correct position with regard to the runway. No problem !!!! They got there in the end. Good training???????
I'm not impressed. They should've landed the first time. Instead, they keep trying, and as it well know, the takeoff and landing are the most dangerous parts of the flight.
@Robert best no you’re right; on its own 20 knots is nothing - but it was a 50-60 degree crosswind on top of that though. Wind was 210 to 220 degrees and the runway is 270 degrees so that’s quite a lot of “crabbing” to remain on the localiser without the 20k wind on top!
@@davidporter2770 100% agree with you . Jut visited. Capetown and have left my heart there . Never have I seen such a beautiful place. I have many South African friends and they are all wonderful. You echo my thoughts exactly.
@@mariuskwint4218 not at all. Tha ANC have spoiled any chance of South Africa being the best it can be by their corruption. Look at the fact that there is no electricity for 4 hours each day because the money that was supposed to build new transformers was ill used. The Black people of South Africa are wonderful. They deserve an efficiently run society. Appartheid was terrible- heartbreaking but the ANC have failed to live up to their promise to make SA the model society it could be. Have you been there? or are you just speaking trying to prove your liberal bone fides without listening to what there who have sent time there have to say.
I have invented the best solution to prevent any stresses whilst flying, go arounds, turbulence etc….. it’s absolutely fool proof….anyone can do it……..I just refuse to fly !! No destination or travel is worth the mental anguish of a flight, so I simply decided…..no more ever. I don’t miss it in the slightest..there are always other alternatives. Probably an age thing, but I’m happy.
Dumb pilot. He could have crabbed the landing. Touching down and then aborting is extremely reckless and poor judgement Abort is performed before the perimeter of the runway. He wasted tons of avation gas.
@FutbolPro101 Hi I gather from one of the pax on the flight that as they touched down there was a sudden strong gust so they took off again. 2nd time apparently there was a cockpit warning - possibly wind shear. On the 3rd time the Singapore a380 ahead of them went around because of wind shear so I guess it’s a matter of safety first - but agree with you that there must have been a lot of Av gas used on those aborted attempts!
@Bricklaying With Steve and Alex. I agree! Especially to virtually land first time - then go round and then another go round for good measure. What was interesting that I didn’t film is that none of the smaller planes at that time had to go round. There was even a tiny ATR 72 that breezed in like it was just a normal days flying. Must be the sheer size of the A380 that makes it a giant “sail” in crosswinds. Also interesting that with the wind being 210 to 220 degrees yesterday, if Heathrow’s old runway 23 had still been active (closed in the early 1990s but I remember it in use from when I worked in offices in the glide slope for that runway!!) then these aircraft would have got in no problem…🤔
![Heathrow Go-Arounds | HD | 23 Minutes | 40+ Go-Arounds | [Credit: Flight Focus 365]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/P9Ch6-9gQRI/mqdefault.jpg)
A huge well done to the pilots for keeping the passengers safe ❤
@JB absolutely! 100% 👏👏
As a retired pilot, for a major US airline, 37+ years, I can tell you those days are what age you really fast.
@skoffco hi -yes I am sure. And after that long flight from the west coast too ….
@D R well you were still right to be safety first conscious. Big pressure on the person / people in charge isn’t it….
I was a passenger on that flight. Was a fun few minutes.
@Sarah Cook. Wow! From where I was filming it looked like you touched down on the runway the first time but then aborted..did they make any cabin announcements? What was it like being on board?!!
@@HeathrowAircraft yes we did touch down - one set of wheels anyway. I was just saying how smooth the approach was based off the fact we were told to expect a bumpy ride and, then we lifted off. They explained they got hit by gust at last minute so went around for safety. Second approach was binned due to a warning in the cockpit not sure what possibly potential wind shear. Third one was all very calm. I was personally quite happy as ex-ppl holder the weather did not seem to extreme, but we had a few people who were extremely stressed. Comms were good from both cabin and the flight deck when they had time, it was a fairly intense period for them high workload at the end of a long flight. The go around were really not that eventful, on the upper deck, it really feels very smooth as they lift off. As the captain said after, one go around is normal. Two not at all. But safety was their first priority, so they erred on the side of caution.
@@sarahcook1870 excellent - thanks for sharing from an “insider’s” perspective! I think you’re right re their high workload. The crew mis hear the London control frequency on the 2nd go around - must have been a lot to deal with at the end of that long flight. Glad you corroborated what happened on first landing. What was interesting was that none of the smaller aircraft coming in before or after the a380 had to go around. Even a tiny ATR 72 sailed in as if it was a normal day! Must be the sheer size of the aircraft that makes it like a giant wind sail when those gusts occur. Thanks again Sarah. Best wishes Steve
Yes it is a really hit and miss thing, On our 3rd attempt the A380 in front of us had to go around yet we made it down. Thanks again for capturing it, was good to see it from the outside. Hoping for better weather for my Thursday flight.
@@sarahcook1870 absolutely!! BBC weather says “light rain and a moderate breeze” for Thursday so all should be well!! 👍👏
My friend and I were on that flight . Have to say we were a bit concerned 😮 doesn’t look nearly as scary as it felt . Hat off to pilot ❤
@imp dal. It must have felt quite concerning I’m sure - especially when you touched down on the runway first time but then lifted off again. And then to go around the 2nd time!! On the 3rd approach the aircraft just in front of you was a Singapore A380 and that had to go around so I was holding my breath to see if you’d make it down 3rd time!!🤢
Must have been very scary going round twice and not knowing if you'd even land on the third attempt.
@@jebson1 hi Jay yes I agree! At least on that 3rd attempt, the pax didn’t see the Singapore A380 ahead of them going round. Must have been disconcerting to the BA crew knowing they might have to do a 4th attempt!!
Don't they get 3 goes then diverted Holy Moly!!✈️ Go around!
@@emmadeal1105 Hi Emma I don’t think there’s a prescribed maximum number - I think it’s more in the crew’s jurisdiction and based on remaining fuel; weather at alternate diversion airfields and likelihood of improving conditions at destination airfield. 3 times feels like a lot though I’m sure for those on board!
the go around is the most professional decision in aviation
i applaude every captain who goes around
because he didnt crash out of hurt pride or a big ego but kept EVERYONE on board safe !
@Spion Silver. Good call! 👍👏👏
@@HeathrowAircraft good footage 🤗
@Spion Silver. Thanks a lot! Glad you liked it! 👍✈️
Exactly. Even when the main gear is on the ground. With an aircraft the size and weight of a 380, ensure that you are central and pointing in the correct direction, before you drop the nose. LOL
Ladies snd gentelmen, this is capitain speaking. I have just finished reading my "how to land the 380" manual. We're ready to land now 😀
Seriously, respect to the pilots! Cheers to everyone!
@michal michal 🤣🤣✈️✈️
It did seem a bit like that....
Was it route training? ???
I can’t imagine the pressure to crab such an enormous plane and to do that 3 times. Mad props to the pilots.
@bdiddy8239 Yes absolutely I agree! 👏👏
Actually the bigger the heavier the plane the easier it is.... compared to an narrow body like a 737/A320
@@HeathrowAircraftDo you have Flighttradar24?
Hats off to the pilots on this flight.Safety is definitely first.Great catch Steve mate❤👍👍👍
@Melvyn Cox. Hi Melvyn thanks very much! Hope all is well with you? Yes you’re right re the flight safety. Evidently there was a possible wind shear warning on the 2nd approach. On the 3rd approach the Singapore a380 ahead of them went around due to wind shear! Thanks for watching and hope you’re keeping well. Best wishes Steve
Nice to hear the voices as well as the awesome plane sounds.
@maxthecat14 Thanks a lot! Glad you liked the film. 👍✈️
True pilots... keeps pushin´ until it´s done safe and right
@Gert Madsen. Absolutely yes. Apparently there was a strong gust just as it touched down first time and on the second approach a warning of possible wind shear. High crew workload after a long flight though!
Nice 👍
Thanks for sharing
Greetings from Helsinki ❄️ Finland
@AviationFin Hello! Thanks for watching - and greetings too from London U.K. 👏
It was a touch and go! Incredible.
@Aviation in 4K. Amazing wasn’t it.
I experienced three go arounds once on an Air New Zealand flight trying to land at a fogged out airport at night on the island of Tonga. It was a frightening experience as we had no idea what was going on until the pilot got on the microphone and said we had to divert to Fiji. My Aunty on the ground said the plane was missing the runway by quite a bit and actually flying over the carpark . White knuckle ride and some passengers were crying. It would be another 25 years before I got in a plane again after that experience
@Dun Dun Dun that must have been very unsettling to say the least. Glad you were able to get on another aircraft eventually though! 👍👏
Amazing capture ! Would you mind if I use part of this video , in one of my next episodes?Of course with a link back to your original video. Peace!
@Aviation Daily. Hi much as I would like to help, regrettably I will have to say “no” as my experience has shown that there is no “cross feed” back to the original source channel when clips are re uploaded onto a larger channel. All the traffic and income go to the larger channel not the owner of the materiall!! Regards Steve
All training says if for any reason it doesn’t feel right/stable, go around. Always a better decision than trying to force it. Too risky… especially in those conditions.
@Roger Gruv Yes you’re right - too much at stake……
As a pilot, better safe than sorry!!!!! Always on the go!!!!!!
@Nicholas Marino 👏 definitely!! ✈️👍👍
Nice catches 👍The overhead view of this behemoth gives you quite a perspective of its giant wings.
@aj742 Thanks a lot. It is a beast isn’t it!! 😱✈️
@@HeathrowAircraft Sure is!
It was incredible at LHR today!
Brilliant catch! Looked crazy down at Heathrow on Monday 😅
@Planespotting Ringway. Thanks a lot. Yes I was surprised that the a380s fared so badly with that wind. None of the “smaller” aircraft had to go around during the period I was filming except for BA A380 and a Singapore a380 as well?🤔
Great footage, thanks for sharing! :)
@LandingSlowly. Thanks a lot. Glad you watched it and thanks for commenting. 👍✈️ Best wishes Steve
Sounds like the Singapore said going around windshear? Kept gear down so more than likely was.
@AndyJay15. Hi Andy good call. Yes that would make much more sense. Thanks for pointing that out. 👍
Very interesting footage mate ! I did watched her go-around on live-stream but from different perspective. From Myrtle avenue ! Great catch !🙂👍
@Topfelya Thanks a lot - sometimes good to see it from a different viewpoint too! Glad you enjoyed it. Cheers. Steve
Love the spool up on those Trent's.well done to the crew
@Andy. They sound awesome don’t they! 😎✈️
You know it’s windy when the 380 has to go around.
@Aleksander Szymanowski Yes this is true! 💨✈️
It was NOT windy at all..
Poor approaches.
Applause for the pilots 👏👏👏
@Luna P absolutely yes! 👏👏
I sure miss the BA 747s ..
Nice job by the pilots.
@ahbenjamin2889 thanks for watching. The pilots did a great job didn’t they …😎👍👍
Why did Singapore not bring up the landing gear?
@Z X the Singapore crew reported wind shear (you can just about make it out on the comms after they report they are going around) The operating procedure evidently says that in the event of wind shear the aircraft should remain in the same configuration until after the situation has resolved. …
Huh! I arrived on a BA A350 from San Diego a couple of hours earlier that day. Not too bad considering the conditions, though we were in a holding pattern.
@mariuskwint4218 Hi - glad you got down safely - despite the holding pattern first!
I wonder if the airlines have to pay extra for the touch and gos? I used to have touch and go landing fees at Cranfield when I was learning to fly.
@Christopher IPAD yes good point. It must be a logistics nightmare if it has to divert and pax have to be ferried back / crew run out of hours etc etc
At a busy airport such as LHR does an aircraft on a go-around have to join the back of the queue or do they have a standard place back in line with others being bumped?
@kroo7 Hi - good question! I included a screen shot of “Flight Radar 24” in my film for both of the go arounds. You can see the general heading and direction that the A380 is directed to and although it doesn’t show it on the screenshot, they were both times directed to turn onto the localiser over London. The time from go around to re joining the queue was about 6 or so minutes on both occasions, with the approach itself then taking another 6 or so minutes…..
Well done pilots 👏
@BristolCardiffplanespotting. Yes - definitely!! 👍👍
I’m still amazed at how these things stay in the air 😂
@BF1GUN Yes I know - you’re right!! 🤣
1st TOGO was hardcore! btw great camera work!
@sampathn4429 thanks very much! It was a wild day that’s for sure!! 😂
I wonder how many attempts can be made before diverting? Also, what would be the alternative airport that could accommodate a A380?
@SJ15 hi yes that’s an interesting point. I know they have to carry sufficient fuel for circling and diversion - I notice that an Air India 787 diverted to Gatwick earlier that day so that could have been an alternative. Logistics nightmare thinking about crew hours being exceeded / pax transfers etc!!!
Maybe Manchester or Birmingham airport, the A380 Emirates used to go Birmingham.
@Thatforanktor. Yes good point. Either of those airports would work wouldn’t they ….
@@HeathrowAircraft Would guess at Manchester as BA at least fly to there. The other option might be Paris or Amsterdam. It's all weather dependent.
@cjmilsnum Hi yes - good point re Manchester. Would make sense if weather permitted as you say….👍
All credit to the flight deck crew, I would love to have been a passenger on that 380 2 extra take off's and 3 extra landings for free. Unfortunately never been on a go around flight .
@a340 fan. 🤣 yes that’s true - no I’ve never either🤢
I have as passenger and as pilot done many many go arounds in training. I remember on one local solo with low flight hours under my belt doing 3 go arounds while the wind belted away. This was on Long Island New York where we do get strong geothermals during our sizzling summer afternoons. I. made it down though to tell the tale today!
@noa gruber excellent! Glad you made it to share with us! ✈️😎
Hey mate what a great catch! Can i feature this in one of my upcoming episodes? Of course you will be credited in the discription! Thanks and Cheers
@Daily Dose of Aircraft. Hi yes that’s fine if the credit is shown.
@@HeathrowAircraft sure you will be credited! Thanks so much!
oh wow! A380s had a tough time that day!
@candydandy2694 - yes they certainly did you’re right!
Legend says they’re still trying to land!
@kaesarromanova1876 🤣🤣 yes!!
I was actually the captain of this flight. Only just been shown this video by a family member of mine, if you want to know anything please ask away this was a flight i'll never forget. Thankyou for all of the kind comments.
@kenzguerns Hi Ken - thank you very much! It certainly was a wild day wasn’t it? (Today doesn’t seem much better!) If you would like a clean copy let me know as I have the original footage still in my archive. My email is aviationheathrow@gmail.com (no dot between the 2 words!) All the best Steve
Rumour has it that SIA is still going around with their gear down 😂
@Designo 🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏✈️
I was on a BA A320 Frankfurt flight and we landed at around 08:30am on the 13th and I have never been thrown around as we were during the approach. I wasn't concerned, to be honest there's no point worrying, just enjoy the ride.
@Martin Bennett hi Martin that must have been one bumpy ride! Shame I wasn’t there in the morning to catch your approach on film.
I wish I could react as you did
@@Isa74575 Yes @Martin Bennett is super cool isn’t he - love that state of mind “just enjoy the ride” 😎✈️👍👍
I will be on that flight in three weeks. Thank God I have a long layover in Heathrow.
@Praguelmport. Let’s hope for nice calm weather for you by then!
@@HeathrowAircraft Gratefully, it was! No go-around for us. Thanks for your well-wishes!
@Praguelmport. Ah excellent. 👏👏Glad it was an “uneventful” flight !! 👍✈️
I don't know what the crosswind landing factor is on a 380. On a 747-400 a wind of 210/20 wouldn't necessarily be a problem. It depends on the gusts. The systems will pick up a windshear situation and give a warning which necessitates a go around. coming from SFO, 3 go arounds would be pushing your fuel reserves. Stanstead up the road with a runway heading of 23 is the nearest alternative in these conditions. It depends on your fuel situation. If I had been a pax, I would have been concerned after the second go around!
@Edward Ewen Hi Edward yes good points. I understand from a pax who was on the flight and who is a pilot, that there was a windshear warning on the 2nd approach which necessitated the go around. I remember when the “cross wind” runway 23 at LHR used to be operational in conditions like these - April and October were the key months most years. Yes wonder what the fuel reserves were at that 3rd attempt. Interesting that just ahead of BA on that 3rd attempt, a Singapore A380 had to go around because of a wind shear warning…..
At what altitude did it pull out on the second attempt?
@JWG UK hi I would say around a mile from runway threshold - if the glideslope is approx 300 feet per mile then we’d be looking at somewhere between 300-500 feet I estimate …
@@HeathrowAircraft ta, we did a 900ft go around at IAD the other week and I was trying to picture how high up that looked from the ground.
@JWG UK Ah awesome. So you have first hand experience of one! 👍👏
@@HeathrowAircraft Not sure it was awesome! I was wondering what was going on as the pilot didn’t come in for a wee while. Meanwhile my girlfriend who is not a fan of flying was a bit scared but she was behind me so I couldn’t see her distress
@JWG UK ah - yes more like nightmare. That’s the worst thing when you’re not sitting together too….
Such a windy weather, but the show is marvellous anyway!
@Daniel Oliveira. Hi Daniel thank you! Glad you liked the film. A companion film from the same day is coming out later today so keep an eye out for a notification! Best wishes Steve
Not windy at all...
Just poor approaches.
I know that BP Station you were at. Very convenient for filling up rental car before returning
@Chris Browne. Yes it’s a good spot. ✈️👍
Wow 😮
@kim jensen. Hi Kim it was pretty wild!! 💨
How do u go about getting the A380 for MSFS
@King_Slayer8345 Good question!! Would be epic!
Captain must have taken a load of extra fuel to have the luxury of a balked landing and a go-around. A balked landing is when the wheels touch the runway or the intention was to land, for instance if the flare is initiated. A go-around is conducted from a greater height, for instance before the threshold of the runway is passed
@Victor Grasscourt. Hi Victor -yes I understand from a pax on the flight that there was a sudden gust just as it touched down first time - and a wind shear warning on the second approach. Must be quite stressful after a long flight!
Weather was expected windy so extra fuel would always have been taken.
@@HeathrowAircraft A wind shear warning is an automatic go around. That is the procedure, the pilots have no choice. Twin engined aircraft generally have greater crosswind limits. Manufacturers set these limits for crosswinds as the ability of pilots does vary.
@Victor Grasscourt thanks for the information; much appreciated. Best wishes. S.
In hindsight, they should've stuck the landing on the 1st attempt. Their wheels touched the ground. Once you are on the ground, wind shear isn't as dangerous as if you are say still descending. The 2nd landing attempt the wind was even higher. They are lucky their 3rd attempt the wind was better, otherwise, they risk a potential crash due to lack of fuel.
Show you how the best computers can't land in stormy winds
@leokimvideo 👍 yes!
Never saw the windward wing dip into the wind to prevent drift. I'm sure the captain brought her in on the third attempt.
@Patrick James. Yes it was quite spectacular wasn’t it! I understand from a passenger on board that the go around was because of wind shear - and the first attempt was aborted because of a gust just as they were touching down. 3rd time lucky!
same pilot flying each time (just from the voices on the radio)
20 knots is not that much of a wind but we don’t know what was going on up in the air and in the cockpit. Maybe a sudden strong gust that puts that giant aircraft into an unstabilized approach and a rejected landing.
@Chan Run. Yes - well said. 👍
Did they charge extra for the extended ✈️
Good job safety 🥇☺️🇬🇧🇬🇧👍
@Janine Higgins 🤣 I know! An extra takeoff and to extra approaches to land!! 👏👏
I flew on this very plane in July 2022 back from O'Hare. Seat 2K
@ScapoloMichael - awesome. Nice seat!! 😍
Singapore's A380 keeps gears down when going around!
@hakanturgun5989 Hi yes I understand that when there is wind shear the protocol is to keep the aircraft in the same configuration until the wind shear warning has passed.
great engineers and designers of the plane, great pilots, great tower, and a little bit great spotter ;) but poor passengers
@222mozart Ah thank you 😘 - yes I wouldn’t fancy 2 go arounds!
The singapore aircraft kept the gear down for so long
@Li Muyun yes too right!!
Touch & go, Heathrow can be hard to land if the side winds buffer you like that!
@Simon Matthews. Yes the wind was 210 to 220 degrees; landing on a 270 degree runway. I remember runway 23 when it was still in operation at LHR - would have been an easier landing with that orientation.
@@HeathrowAircraft it did look breezy & hats off to the pilots as they did well 🙏👏👍
@Simon Matthews. Yes definitely- workload must have been quite high to say the least!
I was the FO on this flight.... we nearly had a 3rd go around, which would have meant a divert to BHX (Birmingham) but managed to get a good run in eventually. Third time lucky as the saying goes
@meddylad Ah! I wondered if you nearly had to do a 3rd go around as the Singapore A380 ahead of you had to do so - I think because of a possible wind shear warning? Interesting that diversion Airport would have been BHX. I’ve got a bit of extra footage of you after the go around if you wanted your own bespoke film? Let me know - it’s Steve email is aviationheathrow@gmail.com (no dot between the words!) best wishes s.
Why was the tower at LHR insting you land with such dangerous crosswinds? Don't they have an alternative directional runway?
@Wapp High. Hi no the former “crosswind” runway 23 which was ideal for these conditions was closed back in the early 1990s to create the Terminal 4 Early Baggage store (I was involved in the project at the time ) so there is no closer aligned runway than the 27 L and R (270 degrees) or the reciprocal 09s …..
@@HeathrowAircraft What? Safety over some baggage storage? Well that is disgraceful - why did they safety authorities in the UK allow the closer of runway 23? At *the* busiest airport in the world.
@Wapp High. I don’t think it’s as serious as it might sound. The crews all train for landing in crosswinds regularly - and if the winds were beyond safe operating limits then either they enter a holding pattern until conditions are more favourable or they divert to alternative airports. They always carry sufficient reserves of fuel for holding and diverting and still have a minimum reserve even allowing for those additional factors …
Legend has it this pilot is still trying to land the plane and wind keeps going faster
@Pine Cedar 🤣🤣🤣💨✈️
My mum asked me if i ever felt guilty for getting a slight kick from go arounds at the expense of passengers being scared on board.
I said Game is Game
@FABplanes 🤣Fair play to you! Hope all is well with you? Cheers. Steve
@@HeathrowAircraft all is good steve
Singapore didn’t retract the gear!
@Malcolm Hammond. Yes it’s interesting isn’t it - one viewer who evidently is a pilot said it was probably because of the wind shear warning. It’s hard to pick up on the comms but the crew on the SIA flight say “Singapore 308 is going around” (…here) which in all likelihood is “wind shear” but just not picked up clearly. I’m not an expert but this is apparently practice to keep landing gear down in these circumstances. Don’t know if that’s the case or whether it was just crew workload that delayed retraction……
If the captain wasn't flying the first two approaches, he was definitely flying the third.
@thecockerel yes I reckon you’re right!! Added pressure on that 3rd attempt as the a380 just in front of them went around due to wind shear (see my other film)!ua-cam.com/video/_gNpuLc3seM/v-deo.html
I trust the crew served another meal between the attempts to get down 🤔🤣
@Andrew Lumsden 🤣 at the very least a full bar service!!
i migliori A380 al mondo
@marco campagna assolutamente! sono d'accordo!👍✈️
@@HeathrowAircraft thanks
If A380 couldn't handle it, no planes could.
Lucky you to get that many successive A380 flyovers, with low alt powerups even lol
@MrMcSwifty thanks a lot. Yes it was a one in a thousand chance of seeing a double go around I’m sure!
is it any wonder that I will never,ever fly again ?
@Peter Johnson - I do get where you are coming from. Must have been scary - but the crews are very well trained and practice these events in the simulator frequently - but I do understand what you mean...
If the BIG BIRDS are going around you know it's bad
@richard c very true!!
The things some pilots will do to get multiple starring roles on UA-cam. They even have the runways moved around in real time. 🤣
@nobilangelo Ceramalus 🤣🤣absolutely!
The fuel used in these go arounds would fill my car for 5 years
@barrydimmock5771 🤣 Yes too right! 👏👏
You would think a big bird like that the A380 could just drop down, but no.
@Kevster 100 yes the wind was blowing quite a crosswind that day (50-60 degrees off runway heading) and there were some wind shear winds warning too so tricky conditions for a big bird!
That what I say B.A. stands for British airways
@Robert Moir 👍👏✈️
Amazing landing
@Abu Ubaidah Hi Abu- yes I don’t know why I kept the camera running after the first landing - was just about to turn it off when I saw it rising back up off the runway! Had to see what happened then! 💨✈️
@@HeathrowAircraft My favourite Jumbo Jet
@@ameermuauviya4987 yes mine too!
C'mon passengers, take some on board footage of this stuff! 😡
@revaholic yes! Apparently there is some from this on Twitter!
Wouldnt call it fun, more like a white knuckle roller coaster ride 🥵🥵🥵
@Rachel Wood 🤢🤢🤢
Gotta love contingency fuel…..👏🏻👏🏻
@Andy Longfellow. Yes too right. 👏👏
Never will complain about turn arounds no matter how many. Rather be alive than save few min
@jcmo5015 yes very well said. 👏
3rd time lucky. Normally after 3 it's diverted
@Raj Nirvan. Hi Raj yes as others have been saying, they must have been getting to the point where a diversion was being factored in - especially after the long flight from the west coast of the states….
Hope they had plenty of fuel left..
@Nigel Williams. Yes! They allow for holding and for alternative diversion airports…
@@HeathrowAircraft Cheers..I just wondered how much fuel they'd still have after 2 go-arounds though, after applying a fair degree of thrust to climb out twice. It's not quite the same as holding.
@@nigelwilliams9307 hi Nigel yes - it must have burned a lot of fuel. I think I read that normally 2 is about it and then they consider the diversion option….
I bet this cost the airline a lot of extra fuel!
@Dogsnark Yes - can you imagine?! I know they factor in minimum reserves allowing for diversions etc - but still must drink a lot of fuel executing 2 TOGAs!
Far better to burn an Xtra 10 tons of fuel than smash a plane and damage a Brand
@Yabba Dabba Doo. Yes too right!
A GO AROUND is no big deal...
just the standard,safest course of action.
The weather at LHR was NOT stormy at all.
The reported winds were not that high....
The cross wind was NOT at all excessive. ...just 60 degrees off which makes it about 15 kts crosswind with no gust for the first approach.
The go arounds were due to poorly judged approaches.
Too far down the runway.....
and then not in the correct position with regard to the runway.
No problem !!!!
They got there in the end.
Good training???????
I'm not impressed. They should've landed the first time. Instead, they keep trying, and as it well know, the takeoff and landing are the most dangerous parts of the flight.
20knts that's nothing weight and size of a380.
@Robert best no you’re right; on its own 20 knots is nothing - but it was a 50-60 degree crosswind on top of that though. Wind was 210 to 220 degrees and the runway is 270 degrees so that’s quite a lot of “crabbing” to remain on the localiser without the 20k wind on top!
gorgeous British Airways the best pilots in the world ( besides the Israelis)
@noa gruber. Amazing wasn’t it. And after that long flight from the West coast of the States too! 🤢
---And South African Airways, SAA, before the ANC bankrupted SAA and my beloved South Africa. SAA was a standout International Airline.🇿🇦🇿🇦
@@davidporter2770 100% agree with you . Jut visited. Capetown and have left my heart there . Never have I seen such a beautiful place. I have many South African friends and they are all wonderful. You echo my thoughts exactly.
Apartheid fans
@@mariuskwint4218 not at all. Tha ANC have spoiled any chance of South Africa being the best it can be by their corruption. Look at the fact that there is no electricity for 4 hours each day because the money that was supposed to build new transformers was ill used. The Black people of South Africa are wonderful. They deserve an efficiently run society. Appartheid was terrible- heartbreaking but the ANC have failed to live up to their promise to make SA the model society it could be. Have you been there? or are you just speaking trying to prove your liberal bone fides without listening to what there who have sent time there have to say.
I always heard one only tries twice….there should never be a 3rd atempt….but maybe there was here a good reason for it…
@Sandra Teichmann yes I think they just have been considering diversion options by the 3rd time!
Pilot needs to grow a pair
Just kidding 😀
@Tony Hancock 🤣👍👍
I have invented the best solution to prevent any stresses whilst flying, go arounds, turbulence etc….. it’s absolutely fool proof….anyone can do it……..I just refuse to fly !! No destination or travel is worth the mental anguish of a flight, so I simply decided…..no more ever. I don’t miss it in the slightest..there are always other alternatives. Probably an age thing, but I’m happy.
@Dry Fly Man. Fair point - it’s not worth it if it causes too much stress - as you say, there are alternatives…..
Ahh ba the company that keeps staff pay that has been earned but they dont pay out
@Tony Marshall doesn’t sound good? 😟
Pilots are not skilled enough
Dumb pilot. He could have crabbed the landing.
Touching down and then aborting is extremely reckless and poor judgement
Abort is performed before the perimeter of the runway.
He wasted tons of avation gas.
@FutbolPro101 Hi I gather from one of the pax on the flight that as they touched down there was a sudden strong gust so they took off again. 2nd time apparently there was a cockpit warning - possibly wind shear. On the 3rd time the Singapore a380 ahead of them went around because of wind shear so I guess it’s a matter of safety first - but agree with you that there must have been a lot of Av gas used on those aborted attempts!
Woke pilots!
@heinekenczech 😎👍
Amazing to watch but must have been terrifying on the planes 😳, 🧱👍🏼
@Bricklaying With Steve and Alex. I agree! Especially to virtually land first time - then go round and then another go round for good measure. What was interesting that I didn’t film is that none of the smaller planes at that time had to go round. There was even a tiny ATR 72 that breezed in like it was just a normal days flying. Must be the sheer size of the A380 that makes it a giant “sail” in crosswinds. Also interesting that with the wind being 210 to 220 degrees yesterday, if Heathrow’s old runway 23 had still been active (closed in the early 1990s but I remember it in use from when I worked in offices in the glide slope for that runway!!) then these aircraft would have got in no problem…🤔
@@HeathrowAircraft it’s a big old lump for sure 😆🧱👍🏽
@@SteveAndAlexBuild 🤣🤣 too right!