50/50 on Sundays, but only because the nearest TLM is two hours away. We consider ourselves “TLM only” and attend the NO only on weekends we are “in exile.” Moving is something we have discerned, but isn’t possible right now.
TLM when available. SSPX comes once a month max, some months not (like this month). Otherwise we go to a Greek Catholic or relatively reverent NO. Things are a bit more conservative here in Hungary, I think. I have never seen an altar girl, and "Extraordinary" ministers are rare.
We go to a Novus Ordo. I think the priest would go for a TLM, and I'm not sure if it's the laity that stops him here, or if it's the bishop. It tends to retain quite a few of the traditional elements mentioned here, such as facing away from the people, the silent prayers, and the use of latin for some prayers. He does chant most of the prayers, and sometimes the Gospel. No altar girls. Encourages receiving on the tongue while kneeling, but hasn't mandated it.
This video has helped me see that our diocese and specifically our Priest has done a tremendous job of holding to tradition and solemn respect of Christ. Our Clergy need our prayers more than ever.
Fr. Mike might be on the thumbnail on the NO side, but I learned from him why ad orientum was such a big deal. He’s actually the one who got me started learning about TLM because he presented it in such a simple and compelling way.
Fr. Mike is awesome! I attend and love the TLM but I've learned so much about the Bible from his Bible in a Year podcast and am now learning so much listening to his Catechism in a Year podcast. He's a blessing to the Church.
Love Fr. Mike. My husband and I are working through his Bible in a Year series, and it's awesome. I have no idea why Fr. Mike is portrayed on the negative side of this thumbnail, either. I don't like it. Not everyone has access to the TLM. I am literally at least 3 hours away from one.
Fr. Mike is definitely a faithful priest but I never understood why he didn't attempt to celebrate as orientem when he started streaming. It really didn't make sense during covid when so many priests were ready to look at a camera in an empty church and turn their back to the crucifix and the Tabernacle.
This is a better format I think for a video rather than novus ordo bashing. Point out the differences and let people make their own conclusion. It's pretty obvious which one you favor but, I admire the effort to merely present the differences.
I agree with this post. It is not healthy to bash one side simply because you disagree with it. (See previous videos with Bishop Barron). With all due respect @Dr Marshall I would be careful to not make generalizations. I am not sure what the intention was for showing Father Mike Schmitz at the beginning of your video was but it seems kind of out of the blue. Just because you disagree with Novus Ordo it does not mean all priests are bad or have bad intention. Thank you for your efforts.
@@RobertBatchCatholicSpeaker I think it’s because Fr Mike is the most famous present-day priest, especially among people who watch UA-cam. Pretty sure I’ve heard Taylor Marshall bring up Fr Mike on his podcast a few times and it’s always been positive.
Every Novus Ordo Mass/Church I have attended says the Prayer to St. Michael and the Hail Mary. They also use the bells. The tabernacles are not in another room; they are where they should be.
I’ve been to Novus Ordo masses where everything is proper, I was raised in a parish like this. However, I’ve also visited other churches where things are bordering on sacrilegious and are very irreverent; from the placement of the tabernacle to the sorts of music used to all other aspects of the mass. The lack of uniformity has enabled those who wish to invoke novelty to do so, whereas those who wish to preserve tradition and reverence have been forced to the sidelines or out of the picture entirely.
This is sooo good thank you! I never knew why they removed the Tabernacle!! We have the Tabernacle up and behind the "table" above a traditional smaller altar (which was supposed to be used for,the Latin Mass, but they have cut back on the parishes that have the TLM in our diocese. ) so our priests have their backs to the Tabernacle . My Church was designed by our previous beloved pastor (May his soul rest in peace) , who loved the Latin Mass. It was built 8 years ago and has side altars, a communion Rail and a Traditional Altar behind the "table-Altar". He used to say the Latin Mass once a week as the Bishop at the time allowed. I am so hungry for the Latin Mass .
I am Greek Orthodox and I wonder if it's. because the Novus ordo is possibly close to what you were used to. .I imagine as an Orthodox Christian that you need to prepare more and get used to it.
I was taking masters classes at Notre Dame University in Indiana and studying the Liturgy from a priest well known for his modern song used in the Novus Ordo Mass. When he spoke of the TLM he was very critical of the 'silliness', his words not mine, of the TLM with regard to garments, prayers, etc. He even showed us an old black and white film of the Latin Mass while making fun of the movements of the altar servers and other things. I knew in my heart of hearts that everything he was teaching and criticizing was wrong. It was because of this that I sought out the TLM in my diocese and fell in love with it. My faith life has greatly increased since then. Dr. Taylor Marshall has a great explanation of the differences of these Liturgies. Lots to think and pray about.
The Tridentine Mass is the correct Mass, promulgated by popes sts Pius v and given more impetus by Pius x ..one always has./had this option to read the Latin one one side of the page and the vernacular on the other side of the page..No alter girls, Holy Communion given on the tongue only by the blessed hands of the priest, not by any so called lay minister, whose hands are not blessed 😮
@@ronaldmessina4229 So you're saying that throughout history nothing can be changed? If one Pope has the authority to promulgate it, does another not have the authority to change it?
I grew up with the Ordinary Form of the Mass. I really love the Extraordinary Form, with the exception of the repeated reading of the Reading and the Gospel (in Latin then in English). I really love the increased readings of the current Liturgical Calendar. I love the Catholic faith. I love attending both forms of the Masses. God bless! ⚜️
@michaelverde4844, it does seem tedious at first. The Last Gospel is a powerful Exorcism prayer, and seals us all with the extra grace and protection. 😊
@@shiremom4 Oh, no, I like the closing Gospel. I meant the reading in Latin then in the vernacular. The prolonged silence and the chants in the TLM are a tremendous draw. Such a great experience when I go to our FSSP TLM in our Diocese. ❤️🔥
Thank you Dr Taylor, very interesting and informative. Unless the older Catholic’s like myself pass on the knowledge, when the Mass was said with reverence and great celebration, these young ones won’t have a clue, unless they are listening to podcasts like yours🙏❤️🔥✝️. We must make our voices heard over this modernism.
Novus Ordo, but the closest TLM Mass is over 90 miles away. But we have a very traditional Novus Ordo, Four priests and two are from Africa (Nigeria and Kenya), and confession seven days a week, twice per day. We have an Adoration chapel to die for, Divine Mercy Chapel open 24 hours a day. 60 ministries at our parish and inside the church there is a rosary that goes on the outside walls all around the church
That is wonderful. There are many good Novus Ordo Churches out there, including mine. TM never talks about them, and usually the information he provides is false, which I find sadly disturbing. I am happy for you and for those of us who have good Churches nearby the attend.
There are eastern rites such as Syro Malabar , Syro Malankara in India … somewhat traditional I would say… but in vernacular language ( before 1960’s it was said inSyrian)
There are websites in Australia the transmit the Tridentine Mass daily and many others. You will find one to suit your local time as I did. I live in Malaysia and tune into a daily Tridentine Holy Mass in Germany at 1-15pm Malaysia time. There are others that might be right for the time zone where you live.
@@redmi9834 Do you mind sharing the website please? I live in a part of Nigeria, Africa where it isn't available. The states where it is are very far from me but I would to tune in to a Latin Mass now and then.
@@Ps.tokoni Type into Google search, Kircheneinde Sancta Maria Wil You will get all the information you need but it is in German. Another one is, SSPX ANZ- District. This comes from Australia and the directions and times of the Masses are in English. At both sites the Tridentine Holy Mass is celebrated devoutly.
What Taylor Marshall and the SSPX and the Rad Trads do, is take instances where the Mass of Paul the 6th is celebrated horribly and irreverently and they try to portray that as the norm for how the New Mass is. Well it’s not.
@@thecalderasiblings7198 Sure. But at least where I live in Canada, (I go to numerous parishes on occasion, always before/after Latin) the parishes ALL give communion in the hand, have women reading and giving the body of Christ, saying the heretical version of the “Glory be” (not intentionally heretical, granted) and as Pius X put it, they all have this “reprehensible desire of novelty”. They seem to think becoming more “Protestant” in nature will bring in more people. I assure you, it only brings in the old folks. TLM has many young folks. Younger Gen is craving orthodoxy. While you’re correct, TLM is not exempt from liturgical abuse, it’s certainly the lesser of the two. And it’s just objectively more beautiful. A mass that rightly shows the grandeur and awesomeness of our faith. A mass more worthy of Christ compared to new order.
I’ve been around a fare bit. I was raised in a really Novus Ordo parish so i don’t make sweeping generalizations about it, but there are some issues with lack of uniformity that enable those who embrace novelty and modernism to push those philosophies onto the lay faithful. I’ve seen some pretty irreverent and borderline sacrilegious practices in Novus Ordo churches, I’ve never seen anything like that in Tridentine Masses, although I’m sure they’re not immune from them. I’ve been to all 48 contiguous states and Alaska and I’ve attended masses in all of them, and while the geography certainly plays a factor in how the mass is presented, the Novus Ordo vs Tridentine differences are far more numerous and more pronounced.
I usually attend the ordinary rite in vulgar language, but I don’t mind attending the traditional latin mass from time to time. I feel it adds to the liturgical richness of my faith, I don’t perceive it as a threat but as another option to be grateful for.
Just some clarifications to help those confused by what Taylor has said. 1. Vatican II did not do away with Latin and had no intention of doing away with Latin if you read the council documents. The fact that the Mass is said in many languages is not how it was supposed to be. There was room for acceptations for the use of the vernacular but it is not something that is intrinsic to the celebration of the Novus Ordo as stated Taylor "it can be said in Latin, but is very rare." 2. Orientation is another misleading topic. The Novus Ordo rubric assumes the priest is facing the altar and away from the people as it says multiple time for the priest to turn and face the people. Vatican II did not call for the priest to change orientation, this was from a general rebellion of priests and bishops doing whatever they wanted under the guise of the 'spirit' of the council. The Novus Ordo Mass can be said facing East, it does happen in many parishes and should happen in all parishes. As Taylor admits later on even in some basilicas like Saint Peters in Rome sometimes the Pope and bishops face the people beacuse of the way the Church is built. He says "its not a hard and fast rule." So this point he is making isn't even a differnce between the Traditional Latin Mass and Novus Ordo. 3. Personally I don't know much about the vestments, but as far as I am aware there is nothing stopping priests saying the Novus Ordo from wearing a manipole. I have been to parishes were the priest wears one. 5. Ok, I think that this is the first big change he mentioned and I don't understand why anyone could be against hearing more of the word of God from the Bible at Mass. A 3 year cycle of reads which come from the Old Testament, New Testament and the Gospels. I have heard priests talk on this and even ones who say the Traditional Latin Mass think that it would be worth incorporating this change into the liturgy. It is beautiful and helps the faithful learn more of the word of God and also gives far more content for priests to preach on in their homily. His comments about the response psalm are silly and quirky, hardly any places do this hand raise thingy with the singing. Many parishes have the choir and cantor do this section like in the Traditional Latin Mass. 6. When he says that everything is spoken out loud and on a microphone, yet again this is something that happens but is not technically part of the liturgy or rubric of the Mass. It can be said with silence and without a microphone. For him to say that there is less singing in the Traditional Latin Mass is completely untrue. There is singing almost all the time at least in the parishes I've been to. 7. The concelebration point is odd because it is something that happens sometimes but isn't something is intrinsic to the Novus Ordo liturgy and so cannot be considered a big change since he admitted that is does happen in the Traditional Latin Mass at the ordination of priests. It's not like all the things he is mentioning have sprung out of thin air. He did not mention or explain how at a Traditional Latin High Mass there are often priests assisting as deacon and sub-deacon. 8. The laity physical participation in the Novus Ordo is also not part of the liturgy. Things like the offertory procession can happen but it does not need to happen. Many parishes don't do it. Same with the sign of peace. Many parishes choose not to do it. Personally I love when the whole congregation says the Our Father. The laity administering Holy Communion is technically not encouraged or generally even allowed according to Vatican II. It is only under very extraordinary circumstances. Many parishes do not have anyone but the priest distributing Holy Communion. Just because lots do does not mean that this is how the Novus Ordo should be done. Same goes here for female altar servers. It is not supposed to happen. 9. I'm getting tired of each of these points Taylor is doing because they all fall into the same category of things which technically are not supposed to happen and now are seen as part of the Novus Ordo. Communion should be received on the tongue kneeling and the Church documents encourage this. There can be acceptations but a priest can actually never refuse communion to someone if they want to receive on the tongue kneeling. 10. Ok, this one is a finally an actually liturgical difference. Bonus. This one I don't get! He says that bells are a big difference. I don't know what parishes he has been to but I have never been to a parish which has not wrung the bells at all the correct times just like the Traditonal Latin Mass. Almost all of these points are unnecessary and are NOT TRUE differences between the actual Novus Ordo Mass and the Traditional Latin Mass. The Novus Ordo can be said in a beautiful and sacred way with Latin in the words, chant and hymns. These sorts of videos are not good for helping people understand the liturgy properly and cause more division among Catholics and Christians who have not had a chance to study this in depth. Please try to create more content that helps bring about understanding to help people come together. Christ prayed that his Church be one. Taylor please try to be more clear when you talk about the Novus Ordo instead of just making fun of it. Whether you dislike these 'socalled' changes to the Novus Ordo it is still THE MASS, Christ is still present. It is not something to be ridiculed but morned for the abuses and then comforted and healed. Try to do more healing instead of hurting. God Bless
My church says the NO mass in English, ad orientum, giving Holy Communion on the tongue! But this it is very rare to find the NO mass said ad orientum and Communion given on the tongue.!
The Novus Ordo Mass was filled with abuses in the 1970's and 80's, and the criticisms made by Traditionalists are often based on the worst from that era. The situation is so much better now. I attend a Novus Ordo Mass at a Dominican monastery that is heavenly - very solemn, slow-paced, contemplative, with superb preaching, chanting, and silence before and after Mass. Afterwards we have all-day Eucharistic adoration. This sort of happy liturgical situation is never represented in Traditionalist criticisms. Instead, they make it seem as if every Novus Ordo Mass is a clown Mass with balloons, liturgical dancers in tights, electric guitars, and drums. This video is typical of that technique, which is deliberately deceptive. It uses exaggeration for effect, rather than truth. I love the Traditional Latin Mass and would like to see the fullest freedom given again to its celebration. But I've also been to many Traditional Latin Masses that were disturbingly fast paced, with dry academic preaching, and that were sometimes immediately followed by non-Eucharistic devotions that disallowed a proper thanksgiving after Mass. I've left a number of these Masses quite frustrated. By contrast, this week's Holy Week liturgies at the monastery were all excellent, including last night's vigil Exsultet and today's Easter Sequence both chanted beautifully in English. I've especially come to love the wealth of Scripture readings in the new lectionary and find myself mystified at the paucity of Scripture in the TLM. This especially struct me this past Advent at the scarcity/brevity of readings from the prophet Isaiah. I've grown used to the haughty lecturing that we get from Traditionalists, the air of superiority, the rude, mocking put-downs and insults thrown at the Mass we love; I will not offer the same in return. But there are many of us who feel this way and practice the true faith at and through Novus Ordo Masses, and having the choice, prefer to continue at this Mass. It is not so bad that Christ doesn't come to us under this form. You should respect that fact with the fear of God. Christ comes to us - both in Holy Communion and through Eucharistic miracles - under the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite. This means that Christ's Eucharistic presence in this world is due primarily to the Novus Ordo of the Roman Rite. And where it is offered properly, it is successfully carrying the Faith into the future in this godless world, and feeding the faithful with the One who gives eternal life.
Dear Sir, As a Roman Catholic priest of 25 years I am amazed at the way you have set the two against each other. First, I take issue with your description "Traditional Latin Mass." It is beyond doubt that the Mass has evolved over the years from being said in Greek (and probably other languages in the Eastern Rites) to finally being settled in the 16th century at a time when the (so-called) "Reformation" obliged the Church to formally decree its form and content. However, Pius V could not have forseen that the laity, far from remaining uneducated and superstitious peasants, would eventually become educated, articulate and often better theologically educated than some clergy. That was one of the many fruits of Vatican II - recognition that the Church had totally changed. One very small point if I may. You pointed out that Holy Communion should not be given into the hand because "our hands are not consecrated." As a very old and wise priest responded to a lady who said the same thing, "Well madam, who consecrated your tongue?" I have found your blog interesting but in the end it seems to me to come down to this, "For those who like the 'Traditional Latin Mass' that is what they like" to paraphrase Miss Jean Brody. I could say much more but I think you will get my point.
Agree with receiving the Eucharist by hand. I appreciate that many of us feel it is much more reverent to take it by tongue, but there is no merit to demand that same belief on to other Christians. Moreover, the true original tradition of giving sacred bread was actually by hand. Receiving it by hand still reverent if done properly. And, contrary to what they think, receiving it by tongue does NOT prevent sacrilege (it only deters it) because ill-intent people can still take it out of their mouth after they leave.
There were no "fruits" of vatican 2. Stupid to compare fingers, hand which would have the particles of Our Lord on them to the tongue where the Eucharist would dissolve.
I only will attend the Traditional Holy Catholic Latin Mass. Pope SAINT Pius V Codified the Holy Catholic Mass as per the Council of Trent, it is the Magisterium of the Holy Catholic Church. He did it in his Apostolic Constitution Quo Primum.
The Latin liturgy was effectively a private devotion of priests. As this liturgy took place, everyone had their own private prayers to attend to. My Dad had a missal filled with twenty holy cards that noted the deaths of family and friends known to my Dad. For him, every liturgy was a recollection of the dead persons whom he knew and loved. My Mom, meanwhile, recited her rosary. She was a member of the Blue Army and was persuaded that every rosary was being used by our Lady of Fatima as the fuel necessary for the conversion of Russia. Both of my parents were unsettled by the changes that were slowly introduced into their Sunday Mass. They were "unsettled" because the changes interrupted their own private devotions that they had been using for twenty or thirty years. No one told them what Prof. Baldovin has told us in this lecture. Had they known, I do believe that they would have whole-heartedly embraced the new rites. Prof. Baldovin (at the 40 minute mark) asks whether the dwindling of Mass attendance in the late 70s was due to the introduction of the new liturgical reforms. I, in contrast with Prof. Baldovin, would allow that the reforms did disrupt the private prayers of Catholics like my parents. Furthermore, the changes were made made in lock-step manner--no parish was to move ahead or stay behind the reforms MANDATED for any given Sunday. Many priests were even resentful of the entire process--and rightly so! They had no idea where the reforms were coming from and where they were going. Here again, if they had a chance to hear and to digest Prof. Baldovin's lecture, they would have become enthusiastic advocates of the liturgical reforms. As it was, most priests did what their bishop mandated with a "blind obedience." This should have been different. Only when "communion in the hand" was introduced was there a systematic attempt to see the logic and the necessity of this change. This would have been the time to allow two options: either receiving in the hand or kneeling before the priest and receiving on the tongue. But no, the powers to be wanted lock-step confomity to prevail. Thus, no attention was paid to the "readiness" of Catholics for this momentous psychological change. This is why, as I saw it unfold, the reformers themselves imposed the reforms in such a way as to violate the sensibilities of Catholics like my parents. Priests were not permitted to slow down the rate of change to suit the needs of their people. Priests were expected to give "homilies" based upon the readings of the Sunday. Nine out of ten priests had no idea how to do that. In my parish, Fr. McMonigle, who was 58 years old, continued to give his five-minute "inspirational story" for two full years after the requirement of "giving homilies" was announced. I admired him when he admitted that it took him two years to get himself ready to deliver his first "homily." He did it moderately well. The whole parish, sensitive to how difficult it was for someone sixty years old to change, gave him a spontaneous round of applause when he was finished. I joined in. No one had ever clapped during Mass in our church ever before. This, too, was an essential ingredient that expressed the gratitude of the people for Holy Cross Church their aging pastor. I expect that our Father in Heaven was clapping as well. JMJ Dr. Aaron Milavec, seminary professor for twenty-five years
An additional difference is the use of a Missal by the laity to follow the priest during the liturgy, particularly during the silent prayers. Also, in the TLM the Gospel was read in Latin by the priest, and the congregation could read it in the vernacular language from their Missals.
More than the difference in the liturgical actions is the difference in the theology and spirituality. And the audience must sufficiently understand from what theology and spirituality each action originates.
Three more differences: - The "Asperges" is sung and the priest sprinkles Holy Water along the main nave before High Mass begins - when you receive Communion you do not respond Amen - during High Mass an altar boy incenses the priest, other alter boys on both sides of the altar and finally he turns to the people and incenses them
According to the rubrics of the Novus Ordo Missae, it assumes that the priest is facing the tabernacle when it instructs the priest to turn toward the people such as at the blessing and the call to prayer.
Thank you Dr. MARSHALL. A very informative video. I attend both Tradional and Novus Ordo Masses. I love the reverence in the Traditional Mass. However I feel more connected to God when I hear the prayers in English and see the priests gestures.. The Novus Order Masses I attend are very reverant. In the Tradional Masses one can get distracted more easily with the Latin. There are very few Tradional Masses said where I live. I have to travel far to attend regularly which is not easy as I am elderly. A beautiful Mass can be seen on EWTN. There is room for both Masses in our amazing Blessed Catholic faith. Please don't knock the Novus Ordo Mass. God Bless Dr. MARSHALL
Perhaps the most important difference: the offertory prayer. The offertory in the TLM makes it very clear that the priest is offering an oblation on the altar for the remission of sins. The NO uses a Jewish meal prayer and doesn't emphasize the sacrificial nature of the Mass.
You could do a presentation on what is common to the two rites of the Mass. Basically what is common, at the heart of both forms is listening to the Word and receiving the sacrament of the Lord's Body and Blood. Whether the TLM or the Novus Ordo, the encounter with Jesus is the goal and communion with the Lord and each other in the Lord is common to both.
Living in Spain, I think there are only 20 churches where Latin Masses are still in vogue. (some only 2 celebrations a month). The next one is at about 250 km. As such, there is no real choice. Too bad, for I love the Latin Mass much more than the modern mass. Latin Mass has that sure aura of mystic spirituality which is lacking in modern masses. Excellent video by the way.
Dr. Marshall, thank you for this podcast explaining "technical" differences between two masses. It is great. We grew up with the novus ordo but we started to attend the TLM a few years ago and we love it! Most of our friends still attend the NOM. During our discussions we have difficulties explaining the spiritual superiority of the TLM over the NOM. Would you be able to make another podcast that explains 10+ major differences from the spiritual side (prayers, reverence, etc.)? God bless! Stefan and family
Btw i knew most of the Tridentine in Latin as well as the Greek liturgies. In Greek/ Slavik tradition and practice, the Great Doxology is only in Matins. The bread and wine was traditionally, long ago, left at the entrance or a small building for that purpose. Then deacons were sent out to fetch the amount needed based on attendance. This caused a very quiet time and was filled by the deacons singing. This was a holdover from house church agapi meal. In the East there is a handout of blessed, not consecrated bread after the liturgy. Another echo. And u are right about taking the intinctured body and blood of Chist on the tongue. Pax vobiscum . Xaire 'o kalos doilos Theou! Karl
I live and work in Greece, an Orthodox country. I'm fortunate there is a Catholic church in the city where I live !. I can't choose between Traditional and Novus Ordo.
Bells are always used at the Novus Ordo mass and the tabernacle always sits behind the and above the alter that’s always the case for the church I go to.
As far as I know they didn't force old couches to remodel and move things, though I suppose it could be different based on the diocese. There are too many old churches here to have them all remodeled.
I agree with Mario's comment as well. TM has done a lot of harm to the Catholic Community. You may think you are learning a lot, but learning WHAT exactly. Too much of his info lately has been false. For some good learning, go to "Divine Mercy" and listen to Fr. Chris Alar's weekly talks (he began them in 2020, and they are all there) as well as his Mass homilies a couple days per week.
As children up to my being age 14 in Vic. Australia (well past Vatican II) our parents had family Rosary, possibly during May or October (knew of Fatima, Lourdes and Garanbandal, but nothing, until past week, of Illumination, warnings etc. from youtube, apart from those relating to WWI), and we attended Latin Mass (mass in Latin) and Latin Benediction on Saturday mornings after which we went to local shopping centre for breakfast. The family has since suffered schism of sorts and terrible dysfunction and I think I and my Dad had suffered the most, so to speak, but I am trusting in God that all will be repaired. I missed mass a lot in the past years owing to circumstances, always did want to go even if not felt like it or as circumstances were felt unable, and often just feel so guilty but in that I need to trust God, I realise, I'm not receiving Eucharist but need confession, and hoping soon I would be able to accomplish that.
We need to get back to doing exactly what the original Fathers taught or as close to as possible. That’s the reason people (like myself) convert is to get back to the ORIGINAL tradition. This is what humanity is craving. The church needs to stand strong and be a constant when the world is always changing. The Church should not change with the world
I attend Novus Ordo and Traditional Latin mass. For me, the question is in the recollection of the people praying inthe mass. If you are truly believing and recollected, then what is the problem. Either you pray truly, sincerely, and with belief in the Truth, then what is the matter?
it's cool because a lot of the points he makes about the latin mass is preserved in the maronite liturgy, or at least how the chorbishop celebrates mass at the minor papal basillica i have been attending. it is still very much a maronite novus ordo mass, but still retains some of the older traditions like how the tabernacle is still on the altar or how the bread and wine is on the altar. one big difference that i don't think you'll see in a roman church is how the Body and Blood is administered. the chorbishop will actually dip the Body in the Blood and place it on your tongue that way.
Funny how you use the image of the popes and Fr. Mike Schmitz without a crucifix, implying they don’t worship Christ. I find it very uncharitable towards someone like Fr Mike, who is a powerhouse of a preacher. Fr Mike celebrates Novus Ordo, and he’s a holy priest. Friends, you can become Holy people through Novus Ordo. Find a parish where people kneel at the consecration and receive Communion on the tongue. If no one is doing it, then start yourself and others will follow because holiness is contagious.
In my parish my novus ordo priest tries to dissuade us from taking the Eucharist on the tongue. He says you can if you must, but it’s better to receive it on the hands. I don’t like that at all. The Eucharist has been desacralized and people clearly don’t believe it’s the body and blood of Christ by the way they handle it. I try to not watch them handling it anymore because it upsets me. So even tho the priest tries to dissuade us, I’m going to be taking the Eucharist kneeling and on the younger anyway when I receive the sacrament. 🙏
The major difference between the Tridentine Mass and the Novus Ordo Missae Mass is that the TLM is that the TLM is majestic and the Novus Ordo is goofy.
@@reveilleamerica3589 Goofy are the priests that allow liturgical abuse; the Mass itself is sacred. Jesus Christ is fully present and gives himself entirely, even unto the hands of a priest in mortal sin. It’s the same Jesus in Latin Mass and Novus Ordo. You can reach Christian perfection through both.
Actually sole difference between Novus and Vetus ordo is if you only once attend the latter, you'll never get back. It never happens the other way around.
I grew up with Latin Mass in school priest taught us what priest's say's and what we would respond in Latin we know understand. P 23 John changed it To English and all countries languages.
One of the big theological differences between the Novus Ordo and Latin Masses: the Latin Mass is a propitiatory sacrifice offered to God for the forgiveness of sin, where the N.O. Mass has a number of Eucharistic Prayers wherein it states that the Mass is an oblation of service, or a memorial, etc., nothing explicitly stated regarding the unbloody sacrifice offered to atone for sin.
I'm very surprised about number 2. I have been to dozens of churches all around Poland, many of them new churches, built with the NOM in mind and I have never seen the tabernacle not being right in the middle behind the altar (sometimes more or less off the exact geometrical center, which drives me crazy). Also, im my hundreds of masses (almost all NO) in Poland, I have NEVER seen a layperson administering the Eucharist...
There is only a 3 fold at the n.o. In my town. No confiteor, seldom. Most people don’t know the prayers in mass and it’s said in the vernacular! Tlm peeps got their prayers down! Difference #11… 😢
I grew up in the N.O. For 50 years until Covid. Wow! Discovered TLM have been transformed to my Faith. Still attend on occasion the N.O. but find it distracting unless I’m at St. Peter’s in Stubenville, OH where most of the Mass is in Latin.
Very good video🙏 I’m from Ireland and there are only limited availability of TLM. I go to TLM mostly but still go to selective NO where there is Communion on the tongue. I was in a village in Spain where the Priest as recommended by Cardinal Sarah celebrated in the vernacular but ad orientum. The attacks on TLM are simply outrageous but this oppression will pass eventually🙏
Have you been to an Eastern Catholic liturgy? It's mostly in the vernacular, everything is chanted... it's very different but I absolutely love it 😊 Give it a try if you can!
Also dr. Taylor when you receive on the hand there's a greater chance of you dropping our Lord or the particles, Jesus literally gets trampled on everyday Lord have mercy
NO because the nearest Latin mass is an hour's drive away in a major metropolitan area, difficult to reach. Our parish priest celebrates a Latin mass on the first Saturdays so I sometimes go to that as well as the NO. I remember the old mass as a child and had memorized all the Latin prayers but sadly have forgotten them in the intervening 55 years.
I also noticed the demeanor of parishioners at Latin Mass is different as well, more reverence, dress appropriately, women with veil, modestly dressed, men not in shorts or jeans. Those who haven't tried TLM, please give it a try, they have booklet for you to follow, don't be intimidated 😊
Hi Dr. Taylor Marshall. Because of your videos, interviews with Jesse Romero, and Fr. Chad Ripperger are one of the many reasons I started attending the TLM since 2021 that also led to me becoming an Altar Server at the TLM. LIFE CHANGING!!! Viva Cristo Rey!!! ✝️
@@ash_11117 EVERYONE KNOWS THE BIBLE IS REAL AND THE CHRISTIAN CULT IS SUPER COOL. IF ONLY OTHERS COULD ENJOY THE THRILL OF HAVING INVISBLE ENEMIES AND BEING PROTECTED BY HEBREW MYTHS, CUPCAKE. 200,000 RAPED ALTAR BOYS GLORIFY THE CHRISTIAN CULT AND THEIR HAPPY LIFETIME OF NIGHTMARES ARE DESIRED BY ALL CHRISTIAN RUBES. YOU MUST BE REALLY PROUD. CULTS ARE LIKE THAT, ASH. ANY EDUCATION?
As a cradle Catholic all I knew was the novos ordo until I started listening to this channel. I looked online found a TLM parish swapped over 4 weeks ago and I love it.
Same, I remember as a kid and through adulthood never being much impressed, thinking, this is the house of God? Since discovery the TLM, the difference is night and day, the priest talking to God makes His presence more real
I'm Eastern Orthodox married to a Cradle Catholic. She's only ever been to novos ordo, I've only ever been with her to novos ordo. The only Latin service I've ever seen in person was the Christening of a distant cousin. It's nice to know there still exists hidden somewhere a mass as reverent as I'm used to in my church.
I don’t think he’s throwing shade. Father Mike is a Roman Catholic priest who celebrates the Novus Ordo mass. That’s just a fact. The thumbnail is undoubtedly because people know who Fr Mike is and recognize him as one of the online faces of Catholicism.
Not to mention talking in sweeping statements that I have never seen in any church. The tabernacle is not “down a hallway” and I always have had mass with bells used during the consecration. Not sure if people are going to “liberal” masses in big cities or in places where there isn’t a big Catholic population. The things he mentioned have not happened in my experience
@@deec7124 You probably in a conservative area. There are many churches I've been to in my life, pre-TLM, where I had to play "hide and seek" with Jesus in the Tabernacle. In Springfield Mo. In Belleville, Il diocese. In Virginia. It used to be more common, one bishop specifically put them all back since a previous bishop had removed them from the altar area. I've seen it behind the side of the altar, in a side room, in a separate section at the back of the church. I never cared for those churches. But I've found them in rather abundance around the country. Oh, a closet in an Indiana chapel. That was the worst. Leading me to assume where you are located did not have a hippie Dippie bishop who followed that trend.
I'm attending my first Latin Mass on Sunday. I've followed your advice in your 5 steps to becoming Catholic and asked for private instruction by one of the Latin Rite Priest's for my conversion to Catholicism rather than RCIA. How I got to this place in life that my rebellion against the Church must end is quite a story that I may write about later.
@@DavidOrtiz-fd2lb You have to find a priest who is willing to meet with you one-on-one for direct instruction. He'll probably assign readings and then discuss those with you in weekly meetings. I'm not sure that it always follows that formula; there are probably variations. My advice is to begin by praying for a couple of weeks that the Holy Mother will guide you to a really good priest.
Bad move putting Fr. Mike Schmidtz as the face of norvus ordo. Better to contrast it to historical figures for the sake of unity we all desire. Of course I prefer TLM but let’s see the forest through the trees here.
He’s a well known priest, both by Catholics and outsiders who celebrates the Novus Ordo mass. That’s just a fact, I have no problems with Father Mike, I just think a lot of you are reading too much into his use in the thumbnail.
We attend a Traditional Latin Mass celebrated by the FSSP in Tacoma, WA. It is the Mass of our youth (grade school, high school & college) and we are thrilled to be able to attend now that we are in our sunset years. It requires a little time and traveling committment, but pays big dividends. We are introducing our grandchildren to the TLM. 🥰
@PhillipsTraining we love our North American Martyrs parish, and love going to St. Joseph's when we go through Tacome. We are more blessed than we deserve.
Which do you normally attend? Traditional Latin Mass or Novus Ordo Mass? Please leave a comment below: ua-cam.com/users/drtaylormarshall
Latin Mass
Maronite
Reverent Ad Orientum NO
TLM Mass
50/50 on Sundays, but only because the nearest TLM is two hours away. We consider ourselves “TLM only” and attend the NO only on weekends we are “in exile.” Moving is something we have discerned, but isn’t possible right now.
TLM when available. SSPX comes once a month max, some months not (like this month). Otherwise we go to a Greek Catholic or relatively reverent NO. Things are a bit more conservative here in Hungary, I think. I have never seen an altar girl, and "Extraordinary" ministers are rare.
We go to a Novus Ordo. I think the priest would go for a TLM, and I'm not sure if it's the laity that stops him here, or if it's the bishop. It tends to retain quite a few of the traditional elements mentioned here, such as facing away from the people, the silent prayers, and the use of latin for some prayers. He does chant most of the prayers, and sometimes the Gospel. No altar girls. Encourages receiving on the tongue while kneeling, but hasn't mandated it.
This video has helped me see that our diocese and specifically our Priest has done a tremendous job of holding to tradition and solemn respect of Christ. Our Clergy need our prayers more than ever.
BRAINWSHING MAKES THE HAPPY JEWISH MYTHS REAL! ITS A MIRACLE! DO YOU ALSO SWALLOW THE GREEK MYTHS TOO, STUPID?
Amen. Let us PRAY for our Priests... AND that the order may expand
I cannot tell you how much I appreciate you not having an opening sequence. You get right into it.
Is there anything inherently wrong with the novus ordo mass? Other than preference?
Try going to the TLM for 4 consecutive Sundays then go back to the NO,you will see the big difference.@@lukeconnolly9702
Fr. Mike might be on the thumbnail on the NO side, but I learned from him why ad orientum was such a big deal. He’s actually the one who got me started learning about TLM because he presented it in such a simple and compelling way.
Fr. Mike is awesome! I attend and love the TLM but I've learned so much about the Bible from his Bible in a Year podcast and am now learning so much listening to his Catechism in a Year podcast. He's a blessing to the Church.
Love Fr. Mike. My husband and I are working through his Bible in a Year series, and it's awesome. I have no idea why Fr. Mike is portrayed on the negative side of this thumbnail, either. I don't like it. Not everyone has access to the TLM. I am literally at least 3 hours away from one.
I agree. Fr Mike is leading many to heaven.
Fr. Mike is definitely a faithful priest but I never understood why he didn't attempt to celebrate as orientem when he started streaming. It really didn't make sense during covid when so many priests were ready to look at a camera in an empty church and turn their back to the crucifix and the Tabernacle.
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We need both, period!
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This is a better format I think for a video rather than novus ordo bashing. Point out the differences and let people make their own conclusion. It's pretty obvious which one you favor but, I admire the effort to merely present the differences.
I agree with this post. It is not healthy to bash one side simply because you disagree with it. (See previous videos with Bishop Barron). With all due respect @Dr Marshall I would be careful to not make generalizations. I am not sure what the intention was for showing Father Mike Schmitz at the beginning of your video was but it seems kind of out of the blue. Just because you disagree with Novus Ordo it does not mean all priests are bad or have bad intention. Thank you for your efforts.
@@RobertBatchCatholicSpeaker I think it’s because Fr Mike is the most famous present-day priest, especially among people who watch UA-cam. Pretty sure I’ve heard Taylor Marshall bring up Fr Mike on his podcast a few times and it’s always been positive.
Every Novus Ordo Mass/Church I have attended says the Prayer to St. Michael and the Hail Mary. They also use the bells. The tabernacles are not in another room; they are where they should be.
I’ve been to Novus Ordo masses where everything is proper, I was raised in a parish like this. However, I’ve also visited other churches where things are bordering on sacrilegious and are very irreverent; from the placement of the tabernacle to the sorts of music used to all other aspects of the mass. The lack of uniformity has enabled those who wish to invoke novelty to do so, whereas those who wish to preserve tradition and reverence have been forced to the sidelines or out of the picture entirely.
This is sooo good thank you! I never knew why they removed the Tabernacle!! We have the Tabernacle up and behind the "table" above a traditional smaller altar (which was supposed to be used for,the Latin Mass, but they have cut back on the parishes that have the TLM in our diocese. ) so our priests have their backs to the Tabernacle . My Church was designed by our previous beloved pastor (May his soul rest in peace) , who loved the Latin Mass. It was built 8 years ago and has side altars, a communion Rail and a Traditional Altar behind the "table-Altar". He used to say the Latin Mass once a week as the Bishop at the time allowed. I am so hungry for the Latin Mass .
DR.MARSHALL ITS 2024 MARCH,JUST LEFT NO AND ATTENDING TLM.THANKS FOR THIS TEACHING IT HELPS OUT SPIRITUALLY.ALL QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
As someone new to Catholicism I really appreciate the novus ordo. Went to a traditional Latin mass last week and man I was super confused
You and so many others who are relegated to being spectators while the priest says HIS MASS.
I am Greek Orthodox and I wonder if it's. because the Novus ordo is possibly close to what you were used to. .I imagine as an Orthodox Christian that you need to prepare more and get used to it.
@@nickstone3113people can’t just learn a whole new language that fast we simply want to understand the language
Get your own missal.
@@Dee-mj3pu or hear me out, I’m allowed to enjoy things in my own language. Hope this concept helps 😁
Thank you very much , Dr. Taylor for this instructive video. Now, I understand 👍 the many differences between the TLM and the Novus Ordo Ordo Mass.
I was taking masters classes at Notre Dame University in Indiana and studying the Liturgy from a priest well known for his modern song used in the Novus Ordo Mass. When he spoke of the TLM he was very critical of the 'silliness', his words not mine, of the TLM with regard to garments, prayers, etc. He even showed us an old black and white film of the Latin Mass while making fun of the movements of the altar servers and other things. I knew in my heart of hearts that everything he was teaching and criticizing was wrong. It was because of this that I sought out the TLM in my diocese and fell in love with it. My faith life has greatly increased since then. Dr. Taylor Marshall has a great explanation of the differences of these Liturgies. Lots to think and pray about.
I attend a Traditional Latin mass for the past few months.
I have never missed the sign of peace. I never liked that in the NO.
Thank you for expalining these differences. I definitely prefer the old way, the way it was when I was a child. It makes more sense.
The Tridentine Mass is the correct Mass, promulgated by popes sts Pius v and given more impetus by Pius x ..one always has./had this option to read the Latin one one side of the page and the vernacular on the other side of the page..No alter girls, Holy Communion given on the tongue only by the blessed hands of the priest, not by any so called lay minister, whose hands are not blessed 😮
@@ronaldmessina4229 So you're saying that throughout history nothing can be changed? If one Pope has the authority to promulgate it, does another not have the authority to change it?
I grew up with the Ordinary Form of the Mass. I really love the Extraordinary Form, with the exception of the repeated reading of the Reading and the Gospel (in Latin then in English). I really love the increased readings of the current Liturgical Calendar. I love the Catholic faith. I love attending both forms of the Masses. God bless! ⚜️
@michaelverde4844, it does seem tedious at first. The Last Gospel is a powerful Exorcism prayer, and seals us all with the extra grace and protection. 😊
@@shiremom4 Oh, no, I like the closing Gospel. I meant the reading in Latin then in the vernacular. The prolonged silence and the chants in the TLM are a tremendous draw. Such a great experience when I go to our FSSP TLM in our Diocese. ❤️🔥
Thank you Dr Taylor, very interesting and informative. Unless the older Catholic’s like myself pass on the knowledge, when the Mass was said with reverence and great celebration, these young ones won’t have a clue, unless they are listening to podcasts like yours🙏❤️🔥✝️. We must make our voices heard over this modernism.
Novus Ordo, but the closest TLM Mass is over 90 miles away. But we have a very traditional Novus Ordo, Four priests and two are from Africa (Nigeria and Kenya), and confession seven days a week, twice per day. We have an Adoration chapel to die for, Divine Mercy Chapel open 24 hours a day. 60 ministries at our parish and inside the church there is a rosary that goes on the outside walls all around the church
That is wonderful. There are many good Novus Ordo Churches out there, including mine. TM never talks about them, and usually the information he provides is false, which I find sadly disturbing. I am happy for you and for those of us who have good Churches nearby the attend.
I attend Novus Ordo. From India. But i wish there could be Tridentine Mass near by
There are eastern rites such as Syro Malabar , Syro Malankara in India … somewhat traditional I would say… but in vernacular language ( before 1960’s it was said inSyrian)
There are websites in Australia the transmit the Tridentine Mass daily and many others. You will find one to suit your local time as I did. I live in Malaysia and tune into a daily Tridentine Holy Mass in Germany at 1-15pm Malaysia time. There are others that might be right for the time zone where you live.
@@redmi9834 Do you mind sharing the website please?
I live in a part of Nigeria, Africa where it isn't available. The states where it is are very far from me but I would to tune in to a Latin Mass now and then.
@@Ps.tokoni
Type into Google search,
Kircheneinde Sancta Maria Wil
You will get all the information you need but it is in German. Another one is, SSPX ANZ- District. This comes from Australia and the directions and times of the Masses are in English. At both sites the Tridentine Holy Mass is celebrated devoutly.
61 year Catholic. Understand the TLM ASAP, and attend. Took me 58 years, I wasted a lot of time.
I’m 85, and was there, sang in a beautiful christ in so Mpls.a choir, beautifully crist the king parish ,
What Taylor Marshall and the SSPX and the Rad Trads do, is take instances where the Mass of Paul the 6th is celebrated horribly and irreverently and they try to portray that as the norm for how the New Mass is. Well it’s not.
If it happens in just ONE NO parish, it's a problem.
@@flrevert I’ve literally seen the same thing for the TLM. I Love the TLM but it’s not free from liturgical abuses.
@@thecalderasiblings7198 Sure. But at least where I live in Canada, (I go to numerous parishes on occasion, always before/after Latin) the parishes ALL give communion in the hand, have women reading and giving the body of Christ, saying the heretical version of the “Glory be” (not intentionally heretical, granted) and as Pius X put it, they all have this “reprehensible desire of novelty”. They seem to think becoming more “Protestant” in nature will bring in more people. I assure you, it only brings in the old folks. TLM has many young folks. Younger Gen is craving orthodoxy. While you’re correct, TLM is not exempt from liturgical abuse, it’s certainly the lesser of the two. And it’s just objectively more beautiful. A mass that rightly shows the grandeur and awesomeness of our faith. A mass more worthy of Christ compared to new order.
Smells and bells mate. Smells and bells.. 😊✝️
I’ve been around a fare bit. I was raised in a really Novus Ordo parish so i don’t make sweeping generalizations about it, but there are some issues with lack of uniformity that enable those who embrace novelty and modernism to push those philosophies onto the lay faithful. I’ve seen some pretty irreverent and borderline sacrilegious practices in Novus Ordo churches, I’ve never seen anything like that in Tridentine Masses, although I’m sure they’re not immune from them. I’ve been to all 48 contiguous states and Alaska and I’ve attended masses in all of them, and while the geography certainly plays a factor in how the mass is presented, the Novus Ordo vs Tridentine differences are far more numerous and more pronounced.
I usually attend the ordinary rite in vulgar language, but I don’t mind attending the traditional latin mass from time to time. I feel it adds to the liturgical richness of my faith, I don’t perceive it as a threat but as another option to be grateful for.
Just some clarifications to help those confused by what Taylor has said.
1. Vatican II did not do away with Latin and had no intention of doing away with Latin if you read the council documents. The fact that the Mass is said in many languages is not how it was supposed to be. There was room for acceptations for the use of the vernacular but it is not something that is intrinsic to the celebration of the Novus Ordo as stated Taylor "it can be said in Latin, but is very rare."
2. Orientation is another misleading topic. The Novus Ordo rubric assumes the priest is facing the altar and away from the people as it says multiple time for the priest to turn and face the people. Vatican II did not call for the priest to change orientation, this was from a general rebellion of priests and bishops doing whatever they wanted under the guise of the 'spirit' of the council. The Novus Ordo Mass can be said facing East, it does happen in many parishes and should happen in all parishes. As Taylor admits later on even in some basilicas like Saint Peters in Rome sometimes the Pope and bishops face the people beacuse of the way the Church is built. He says "its not a hard and fast rule." So this point he is making isn't even a differnce between the Traditional Latin Mass and Novus Ordo.
3. Personally I don't know much about the vestments, but as far as I am aware there is nothing stopping priests saying the Novus Ordo from wearing a manipole. I have been to parishes were the priest wears one.
5. Ok, I think that this is the first big change he mentioned and I don't understand why anyone could be against hearing more of the word of God from the Bible at Mass. A 3 year cycle of reads which come from the Old Testament, New Testament and the Gospels. I have heard priests talk on this and even ones who say the Traditional Latin Mass think that it would be worth incorporating this change into the liturgy. It is beautiful and helps the faithful learn more of the word of God and also gives far more content for priests to preach on in their homily. His comments about the response psalm are silly and quirky, hardly any places do this hand raise thingy with the singing. Many parishes have the choir and cantor do this section like in the Traditional Latin Mass.
6. When he says that everything is spoken out loud and on a microphone, yet again this is something that happens but is not technically part of the liturgy or rubric of the Mass. It can be said with silence and without a microphone. For him to say that there is less singing in the Traditional Latin Mass is completely untrue. There is singing almost all the time at least in the parishes I've been to.
7. The concelebration point is odd because it is something that happens sometimes but isn't something is intrinsic to the Novus Ordo liturgy and so cannot be considered a big change since he admitted that is does happen in the Traditional Latin Mass at the ordination of priests. It's not like all the things he is mentioning have sprung out of thin air. He did not mention or explain how at a Traditional Latin High Mass there are often priests assisting as deacon and sub-deacon.
8. The laity physical participation in the Novus Ordo is also not part of the liturgy. Things like the offertory procession can happen but it does not need to happen. Many parishes don't do it. Same with the sign of peace. Many parishes choose not to do it. Personally I love when the whole congregation says the Our Father. The laity administering Holy Communion is technically not encouraged or generally even allowed according to Vatican II. It is only under very extraordinary circumstances. Many parishes do not have anyone but the priest distributing Holy Communion. Just because lots do does not mean that this is how the Novus Ordo should be done. Same goes here for female altar servers. It is not supposed to happen.
9. I'm getting tired of each of these points Taylor is doing because they all fall into the same category of things which technically are not supposed to happen and now are seen as part of the Novus Ordo. Communion should be received on the tongue kneeling and the Church documents encourage this. There can be acceptations but a priest can actually never refuse communion to someone if they want to receive on the tongue kneeling.
10. Ok, this one is a finally an actually liturgical difference.
Bonus. This one I don't get! He says that bells are a big difference. I don't know what parishes he has been to but I have never been to a parish which has not wrung the bells at all the correct times just like the Traditonal Latin Mass.
Almost all of these points are unnecessary and are NOT TRUE differences between the actual Novus Ordo Mass and the Traditional Latin Mass. The Novus Ordo can be said in a beautiful and sacred way with Latin in the words, chant and hymns. These sorts of videos are not good for helping people understand the liturgy properly and cause more division among Catholics and Christians who have not had a chance to study this in depth. Please try to create more content that helps bring about understanding to help people come together. Christ prayed that his Church be one. Taylor please try to be more clear when you talk about the Novus Ordo instead of just making fun of it. Whether you dislike these 'socalled' changes to the Novus Ordo it is still THE MASS, Christ is still present. It is not something to be ridiculed but morned for the abuses and then comforted and healed. Try to do more healing instead of hurting.
God Bless
Technically the Novus Ordo can be said in Latin, ad orientem, with communion in the hand. But it hardly ever is, is it?
My church says the NO mass in English, ad orientum, giving Holy Communion on the tongue! But this it is very rare to find the NO mass said ad orientum and Communion given on the tongue.!
Thankyou for that, Taylor Marshall. I have recently attended the Modus Order and was floundering like a fish out of water! Bless you for this!
Novus Ordo? (That's Latin for New Order).
The Novus Ordo Mass was filled with abuses in the 1970's and 80's, and the criticisms made by Traditionalists are often based on the worst from that era. The situation is so much better now. I attend a Novus Ordo Mass at a Dominican monastery that is heavenly - very solemn, slow-paced, contemplative, with superb preaching, chanting, and silence before and after Mass. Afterwards we have all-day Eucharistic adoration. This sort of happy liturgical situation is never represented in Traditionalist criticisms. Instead, they make it seem as if every Novus Ordo Mass is a clown Mass with balloons, liturgical dancers in tights, electric guitars, and drums. This video is typical of that technique, which is deliberately deceptive. It uses exaggeration for effect, rather than truth.
I love the Traditional Latin Mass and would like to see the fullest freedom given again to its celebration. But I've also been to many Traditional Latin Masses that were disturbingly fast paced, with dry academic preaching, and that were sometimes immediately followed by non-Eucharistic devotions that disallowed a proper thanksgiving after Mass. I've left a number of these Masses quite frustrated. By contrast, this week's Holy Week liturgies at the monastery were all excellent, including last night's vigil Exsultet and today's Easter Sequence both chanted beautifully in English. I've especially come to love the wealth of Scripture readings in the new lectionary and find myself mystified at the paucity of Scripture in the TLM. This especially struct me this past Advent at the scarcity/brevity of readings from the prophet Isaiah.
I've grown used to the haughty lecturing that we get from Traditionalists, the air of superiority, the rude, mocking put-downs and insults thrown at the Mass we love; I will not offer the same in return. But there are many of us who feel this way and practice the true faith at and through Novus Ordo Masses, and having the choice, prefer to continue at this Mass. It is not so bad that Christ doesn't come to us under this form. You should respect that fact with the fear of God. Christ comes to us - both in Holy Communion and through Eucharistic miracles - under the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite. This means that Christ's Eucharistic presence in this world is due primarily to the Novus Ordo of the Roman Rite. And where it is offered properly, it is successfully carrying the Faith into the future in this godless world, and feeding the faithful with the One who gives eternal life.
Well said!
@@Gtr4Peace Thanks.
Dear Sir,
As a Roman Catholic priest of 25 years I am amazed at the way you have set the two against each other. First, I take issue with your description "Traditional Latin Mass." It is beyond doubt that the Mass has evolved over the years from being said in Greek (and probably other languages in the Eastern Rites) to finally being settled in the 16th century at a time when the (so-called) "Reformation" obliged the Church to formally decree its form and content. However, Pius V could not have forseen that the laity, far from remaining uneducated and superstitious peasants, would eventually become educated, articulate and often better theologically educated than some clergy. That was one of the many fruits of Vatican II - recognition that the Church had totally changed.
One very small point if I may. You pointed out that Holy Communion should not be given into the hand because "our hands are not consecrated." As a very old and wise priest responded to a lady who said the same thing, "Well madam, who consecrated your tongue?"
I have found your blog interesting but in the end it seems to me to come down to this, "For those who like the 'Traditional Latin Mass' that is what they like" to paraphrase Miss Jean Brody. I could say much more but I think you will get my point.
Well said!
Agree with receiving the Eucharist by hand. I appreciate that many of us feel it is much more reverent to take it by tongue, but there is no merit to demand that same belief on to other Christians. Moreover, the true original tradition of giving sacred bread was actually by hand. Receiving it by hand still reverent if done properly. And, contrary to what they think, receiving it by tongue does NOT prevent sacrilege (it only deters it) because ill-intent people can still take it out of their mouth after they leave.
There were no "fruits" of vatican 2. Stupid to compare fingers, hand which would have the particles of Our Lord on them to the tongue where the Eucharist would dissolve.
Amen Thank you Father
I only will attend the Traditional Holy Catholic Latin Mass. Pope SAINT Pius V Codified the Holy Catholic Mass as per the Council of Trent, it is the Magisterium of the Holy Catholic Church. He did it in his Apostolic Constitution Quo Primum.
THANKS, I'll stay as a Melkite Greek Catholic where things make sense to me and I can Liturgize.....
Traditional Latin.. found the light after 30 years..
The Latin liturgy was effectively a private devotion of priests. As this liturgy took place, everyone had their own private prayers to attend to. My Dad had a missal filled with twenty holy cards that noted the deaths of family and friends known to my Dad. For him, every liturgy was a recollection of the dead persons whom he knew and loved. My Mom, meanwhile, recited her rosary. She was a member of the Blue Army and was persuaded that every rosary was being used by our Lady of Fatima as the fuel necessary for the conversion of Russia. Both of my parents were unsettled by the changes that were slowly introduced into their Sunday Mass. They were "unsettled" because the changes interrupted their own private devotions that they had been using for twenty or thirty years. No one told them what Prof. Baldovin has told us in this lecture. Had they known, I do believe that they would have whole-heartedly embraced the new rites.
Prof. Baldovin (at the 40 minute mark) asks whether the dwindling of Mass attendance in the late 70s was due to the introduction of the new liturgical reforms. I, in contrast with Prof. Baldovin, would allow that the reforms did disrupt the private prayers of Catholics like my parents. Furthermore, the changes were made made in lock-step manner--no parish was to move ahead or stay behind the reforms MANDATED for any given Sunday. Many priests were even resentful of the entire process--and rightly so! They had no idea where the reforms were coming from and where they were going. Here again, if they had a chance to hear and to digest Prof. Baldovin's lecture, they would have become enthusiastic advocates of the liturgical reforms. As it was, most priests did what their bishop mandated with a "blind obedience." This should have been different. Only when "communion in the hand" was introduced was there a systematic attempt to see the logic and the necessity of this change. This would have been the time to allow two options: either receiving in the hand or kneeling before the priest and receiving on the tongue. But no, the powers to be wanted lock-step confomity to prevail. Thus, no attention was paid to the "readiness" of Catholics for this momentous psychological change. This is why, as I saw it unfold, the reformers themselves imposed the reforms in such a way as to violate the sensibilities of Catholics like my parents. Priests were not permitted to slow down the rate of change to suit the needs of their people.
Priests were expected to give "homilies" based upon the readings of the Sunday. Nine out of ten priests had no idea how to do that. In my parish, Fr. McMonigle, who was 58 years old, continued to give his five-minute "inspirational story" for two full years after the requirement of "giving homilies" was announced. I admired him when he admitted that it took him two years to get himself ready to deliver his first "homily." He did it moderately well. The whole parish, sensitive to how difficult it was for someone sixty years old to change, gave him a spontaneous round of applause when he was finished. I joined in. No one had ever clapped during Mass in our church ever before. This, too, was an essential ingredient that expressed the gratitude of the people for Holy Cross Church their aging pastor. I expect that our Father in Heaven was clapping as well.
JMJ
Dr. Aaron Milavec, seminary professor for twenty-five years
An additional difference is the use of a Missal by the laity to follow the priest during the liturgy, particularly during the silent prayers. Also, in the TLM the Gospel was read in Latin by the priest, and the congregation could read it in the vernacular language from their Missals.
I miss the bells at mass, I loved the tradition of the bells and hearing the-drawing you to what was happening on the Altar.
More than the difference in the liturgical actions is the difference in the theology and spirituality. And the audience must sufficiently understand from what theology and spirituality each action originates.
Nothing closer to heaven than the Traditional Latin Mass!!
Three more differences:
- The "Asperges" is sung and the priest sprinkles Holy Water along the main nave before High Mass begins
- when you receive Communion you do not respond Amen
- during High Mass an altar boy incenses the priest, other alter boys on both sides of the altar and finally he turns to the people and incenses them
According to the rubrics of the Novus Ordo Missae, it assumes that the priest is facing the tabernacle when it instructs the priest to turn toward the people such as at the blessing and the call to prayer.
Thank you Dr. MARSHALL. A very informative video. I attend both Tradional and Novus Ordo Masses. I love the reverence in the Traditional Mass. However I feel more connected to God when I hear the prayers in English and see the priests gestures.. The Novus Order Masses I attend are very reverant. In the Tradional Masses one can get distracted more easily with the Latin. There are very few Tradional Masses said where I live. I have to travel far to attend regularly which is not easy as I am elderly. A beautiful Mass can be seen on EWTN. There is room for both Masses in our amazing Blessed Catholic faith. Please don't knock the Novus Ordo Mass. God Bless Dr. MARSHALL
Yes. If you are forced to go to NO the EWTN one should be your standard.
Perhaps the most important difference: the offertory prayer. The offertory in the TLM makes it very clear that the priest is offering an oblation on the altar for the remission of sins. The NO uses a Jewish meal prayer and doesn't emphasize the sacrificial nature of the Mass.
I went to the novus ordo tonight and the music was soul crushing. It sounded like 1960s folk music.
You could do a presentation on what is common to the two rites of the Mass. Basically what is common, at the heart of both forms is listening to the Word and receiving the sacrament of the Lord's Body and Blood. Whether the TLM or the Novus Ordo, the encounter with Jesus is the goal and communion with the Lord and each other in the Lord is common to both.
Could not be said any better.
Living in Spain, I think there are only 20 churches where Latin Masses are still in vogue. (some only 2 celebrations a month). The next one is at about 250 km. As such, there is no real choice. Too bad, for I love the Latin Mass much more than the modern mass. Latin Mass has that sure aura of mystic spirituality which is lacking in modern masses. Excellent video by the way.
Señor mío, tengo familia en ESPAÑA y Ud tiene razón 😮
@@ronaldmessina4229 Gracias. Es una lastima. Cada vez que veo mas misas Latinas en video, cada vez me gustaria mas asistirlas..
I just love that Latin Mass. I don't know what they're talking about but it just sounds so pretty.
I go to Latin Mass on Sunday, not available thru the week so I go to novus ordo other days.
Gosh! Thanks! Maybe you can do one about the Angeles and how to ring the bell before and during it!
Excellent! I'll take the Traditional Latin Mass over the Novus Order every time.
Your language gives away your preference, Dr. Taylor.
Dr. Marshall, thank you for this podcast explaining "technical" differences between two masses. It is great. We grew up with the novus ordo but we started to attend the TLM a few years ago and we love it! Most of our friends still attend the NOM. During our discussions we have difficulties explaining the spiritual superiority of the TLM over the NOM. Would you be able to make another podcast that explains 10+ major differences from the spiritual side (prayers, reverence, etc.)? God bless! Stefan and family
Btw i knew most of the Tridentine in Latin as well as the Greek liturgies. In Greek/ Slavik tradition and practice, the Great Doxology is only in Matins. The bread and wine was traditionally, long ago, left at the entrance or a small building for that purpose. Then deacons were sent out to fetch the amount needed based on attendance. This caused a very quiet time and was filled by the deacons singing. This was a holdover from house church agapi meal. In the East there is a handout of blessed, not consecrated bread after the liturgy. Another echo. And u are right about taking the intinctured body and blood of Chist on the tongue. Pax vobiscum . Xaire 'o kalos doilos Theou! Karl
I live and work in Greece, an Orthodox country. I'm fortunate there is a Catholic church in the city where I live !. I can't choose between Traditional and Novus Ordo.
Bells are always used at the Novus Ordo mass and the tabernacle always sits behind the and above the alter that’s always the case for the church I go to.
As far as I know they didn't force old couches to remodel and move things, though I suppose it could be different based on the diocese. There are too many old churches here to have them all remodeled.
Well, done! I believe this to be a very needed conversation. Thank you.
Dr. Taylor Marshall, Thank you, I've learned so much from you. God bless.
Mr marshall is doing alot of harm to the mainstream catholic church ex.showing jimmy hendrix doing the kiss of peace
I agree with Mario's comment as well. TM has done a lot of harm to the Catholic Community. You may think you are learning a lot, but learning WHAT exactly. Too much of his info lately has been false. For some good learning, go to "Divine Mercy" and listen to Fr. Chris Alar's weekly talks (he began them in 2020, and they are all there) as well as his Mass homilies a couple days per week.
In the people priests face Mass the Mysticism, Adoration & sacrificial dimension are denied which are very important.
Dr Taylor Marshall can explain Neocatechumenal Way
As children up to my being age 14 in Vic. Australia (well past Vatican II) our parents had family Rosary, possibly during May or October (knew of Fatima, Lourdes and Garanbandal, but nothing, until past week, of Illumination, warnings etc. from youtube, apart from those relating to WWI), and we attended Latin Mass (mass in Latin) and Latin Benediction on Saturday mornings after which we went to local shopping centre for breakfast.
The family has since suffered schism of sorts and terrible dysfunction and I think I and my Dad had suffered the most, so to speak, but I am trusting in God that all will be repaired.
I missed mass a lot in the past years owing to circumstances, always did want to go even if not felt like it or as circumstances were felt unable, and often just feel so guilty but in that I need to trust God, I realise, I'm not receiving Eucharist but need confession, and hoping soon I would be able to accomplish that.
Thank you Dr.Marshall for this Video.
We need to get back to doing exactly what the original Fathers taught or as close to as possible. That’s the reason people (like myself) convert is to get back to the ORIGINAL tradition. This is what humanity is craving.
The church needs to stand strong and be a constant when the world is always changing. The Church should not change with the world
I attend Novus Ordo and Traditional Latin mass. For me, the question is in the recollection of the people praying inthe mass. If you are truly believing and recollected, then what is the problem. Either you pray truly, sincerely, and with belief in the Truth, then what is the matter?
it's cool because a lot of the points he makes about the latin mass is preserved in the maronite liturgy, or at least how the chorbishop celebrates mass at the minor papal basillica i have been attending. it is still very much a maronite novus ordo mass, but still retains some of the older traditions like how the tabernacle is still on the altar or how the bread and wine is on the altar. one big difference that i don't think you'll see in a roman church is how the Body and Blood is administered. the chorbishop will actually dip the Body in the Blood and place it on your tongue that way.
Funny how you use the image of the popes and Fr. Mike Schmitz without a crucifix, implying they don’t worship Christ. I find it very uncharitable towards someone like Fr Mike, who is a powerhouse of a preacher. Fr Mike celebrates Novus Ordo, and he’s a holy priest. Friends, you can become Holy people through Novus Ordo. Find a parish where people kneel at the consecration and receive Communion on the tongue. If no one is doing it, then start yourself and others will follow because holiness is contagious.
But, why should you have to shop for a proper NO? Just go to the TLM and get the same Mass everywhere in the world.
Amen to that ordinary catholic. God bless you.
In my parish my novus ordo priest tries to dissuade us from taking the Eucharist on the tongue. He says you can if you must, but it’s better to receive it on the hands. I don’t like that at all. The Eucharist has been desacralized and people clearly don’t believe it’s the body and blood of Christ by the way they handle it. I try to not watch them handling it anymore because it upsets me. So even tho the priest tries to dissuade us, I’m going to be taking the Eucharist kneeling and on the younger anyway when I receive the sacrament. 🙏
The major difference between the Tridentine Mass and the Novus Ordo Missae Mass is that the TLM is that the TLM is majestic and the Novus Ordo is goofy.
@@reveilleamerica3589 Goofy are the priests that allow liturgical abuse; the Mass itself is sacred. Jesus Christ is fully present and gives himself entirely, even unto the hands of a priest in mortal sin. It’s the same Jesus in Latin Mass and Novus Ordo. You can reach Christian perfection through both.
Just came home from my Orthodox Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom, lovely.
Many thanks for the interesting insight of the two masses. God bless..✝️🙏🏻🕊️
Dr. Marshall, why didn't you start off with the Pater Noster And end with the Ave Maria?
I do not like lay ministers. I thought they were supposed to be rare but I have never been to a NO without them.
Actually sole difference between Novus and Vetus ordo is if you only once attend the latter, you'll never get back. It never happens the other way around.
I grew up with Latin Mass in school priest taught us what priest's say's and what we would respond in Latin we know understand.
P 23 John changed it
To English and all countries languages.
One of the big theological differences between the Novus Ordo and Latin Masses: the Latin Mass is a propitiatory sacrifice offered to God for the forgiveness of sin, where the N.O. Mass has a number of Eucharistic Prayers wherein it states that the Mass is an oblation of service, or a memorial, etc., nothing explicitly stated regarding the unbloody sacrifice offered to atone for sin.
I'm very surprised about number 2. I have been to dozens of churches all around Poland, many of them new churches, built with the NOM in mind and I have never seen the tabernacle not being right in the middle behind the altar (sometimes more or less off the exact geometrical center, which drives me crazy). Also, im my hundreds of masses (almost all NO) in Poland, I have NEVER seen a layperson administering the Eucharist...
Yeah, I don't think laypeople can administrate the Eucharist even on Novus Ordo masses.
There is only a 3 fold at the n.o. In my town. No confiteor, seldom. Most people don’t know the prayers in mass and it’s said in the vernacular! Tlm peeps got their prayers down! Difference #11… 😢
Thanks for the 11 major differences. I was curious to see how many I knew, and I just so happened to know all of them beforehand.
I grew up in the N.O. For 50 years until Covid. Wow! Discovered TLM have been transformed to my Faith. Still attend on occasion the N.O. but find it distracting unless I’m at St. Peter’s in Stubenville, OH where most of the Mass is in Latin.
Thank you Dr Marshall for your interesting email , may God bless you abundantly , Ave Maria.
Very good video🙏
I’m from Ireland and there are only limited availability of TLM.
I go to TLM mostly but still go to selective NO where there is Communion on the tongue.
I was in a village in Spain where the Priest as recommended by Cardinal Sarah celebrated in the vernacular but ad orientum.
The attacks on TLM are simply outrageous but this oppression will pass eventually🙏
So happy for you I! I attend TLM ! So beautiful !
I go to the Novus, ordered on Sunday, and the traditional Latin mass once or twice during the week.
TLM
We attend a reverned NO which follows rhe 1970 missal
I wonder what the reaction was when it went from Greek to Latin
Great show! Thank you!
Is it bad that I love Latin mass but still wish that the readings were at least done in Vernacular ? Seems common sense to me …
Have you been to an Eastern Catholic liturgy? It's mostly in the vernacular, everything is chanted... it's very different but I absolutely love it 😊 Give it a try if you can!
At most Latin Masses, the priest will read the Epistle and Gospel in English at the time of the homily, but I believe that this is optional.
On Sundays they always read the epistle and gospel in the vernacular
I love the reverence of the TLM. The Novos Ordo is to be said reverently.
Also dr. Taylor when you receive on the hand there's a greater chance of you dropping our Lord or the particles, Jesus literally gets trampled on everyday Lord have mercy
Traditional Latin Mass😊
NO because the nearest Latin mass is an hour's drive away in a major metropolitan area, difficult to reach. Our parish priest celebrates a Latin mass on the first Saturdays so I sometimes go to that as well as the NO. I remember the old mass as a child and had memorized all the Latin prayers but sadly have forgotten them in the intervening 55 years.
Thanks Taylor ! God Bless you ! Benedictus Deus, Benedicamus Domino. Deo Gratias. Salamat gid. Amen 🛐✝️🙏🕯💒🕯🕯🕯🕊🕊🕊🔥🔥🔥🇺🇲🇮🇱🇵🇭💖🌹🏓
Never been to the TLM but like the idea of silence to pray. In the NO the priest says let us pray and the second I talk to god he’s already moved on.
I also noticed the demeanor of parishioners at Latin Mass is different as well, more reverence, dress appropriately, women with veil, modestly dressed, men not in shorts or jeans. Those who haven't tried TLM, please give it a try, they have booklet for you to follow, don't be intimidated 😊
Hi Dr. Taylor Marshall. Because of your videos, interviews with Jesse Romero, and Fr. Chad Ripperger are one of the many reasons I started attending the TLM since 2021 that also led to me becoming an Altar Server at the TLM. LIFE CHANGING!!! Viva Cristo Rey!!! ✝️
WOW! HEBREW MYTHS ARE SO COOL! DO YOU ALSO SWALLOW HEBREW MYTHS, RUBE?
@@martinkent333how are you accomplishing anything by saying this?
@@ash_11117 EVERYONE KNOWS THE BIBLE IS REAL AND THE CHRISTIAN CULT IS SUPER COOL. IF ONLY OTHERS COULD ENJOY THE THRILL OF HAVING INVISBLE ENEMIES AND BEING PROTECTED BY HEBREW MYTHS, CUPCAKE. 200,000 RAPED ALTAR BOYS GLORIFY THE CHRISTIAN CULT AND THEIR HAPPY LIFETIME OF NIGHTMARES ARE DESIRED BY ALL CHRISTIAN RUBES. YOU MUST BE REALLY PROUD. CULTS ARE LIKE THAT, ASH. ANY EDUCATION?
@ash_11117 That guy is a troll, I have seen his comments in other Catholic channels, he's not a Catholic... probably an atheist
As a cradle Catholic all I knew was the novos ordo until I started listening to this channel. I looked online found a TLM parish swapped over 4 weeks ago and I love it.
Dido accept that I found the TLM because my NO mass was shut down for the “who-flu”
Same, I remember as a kid and through adulthood never being much impressed, thinking, this is the house of God? Since discovery the TLM, the difference is night and day, the priest talking to God makes His presence more real
Welcome to the TLM!
I'm Eastern Orthodox married to a Cradle Catholic. She's only ever been to novos ordo, I've only ever been with her to novos ordo. The only Latin service I've ever seen in person was the Christening of a distant cousin. It's nice to know there still exists hidden somewhere a mass as reverent as I'm used to in my church.
@@enjoyingthecrisis5931 Become catholic bro, your kids are going to be catholic anyways since yall had to agree with that to be validly married.
But why do you have to throw shade at Fr. Mike Schmitz like that in the thumbnail?
Dyed hair?
I don’t think he’s throwing shade. Father Mike is a Roman Catholic priest who celebrates the Novus Ordo mass. That’s just a fact. The thumbnail is undoubtedly because people know who Fr Mike is and recognize him as one of the online faces of Catholicism.
Why would you throw Fr. Mike the pic? I love Fr. Mike.
Not to mention talking in sweeping statements that I have never seen in any church. The tabernacle is not “down a hallway” and I always have had mass with bells used during the consecration. Not sure if people are going to “liberal” masses in big cities or in places where there isn’t a big Catholic population. The things he mentioned have not happened in my experience
@@deec7124 You probably in a conservative area. There are many churches I've been to in my life, pre-TLM, where I had to play "hide and seek" with Jesus in the Tabernacle. In Springfield Mo. In Belleville, Il diocese. In Virginia. It used to be more common, one bishop specifically put them all back since a previous bishop had removed them from the altar area. I've seen it behind the side of the altar, in a side room, in a separate section at the back of the church. I never cared for those churches. But I've found them in rather abundance around the country. Oh, a closet in an Indiana chapel. That was the worst. Leading me to assume where you are located did not have a hippie Dippie bishop who followed that trend.
I cant watch fr. Mike, hes too goofy and why does he always turn his head to the side like hes a pop singer?
He is a popular figure representing the Novus Ordo
Who is fr. Mike?
DTM … unhealthy obsession.
The Real Presence exists in both Masses. Deal with it.
I'm attending my first Latin Mass on Sunday. I've followed your advice in your 5 steps to becoming Catholic and asked for private instruction by one of the Latin Rite Priest's for my conversion to Catholicism rather than RCIA.
How I got to this place in life that my rebellion against the Church must end is quite a story that I may write about later.
Praise God for your conversion! I also had the rare benefit of private instruction. Such an immense blessing. We'd love to hear your story!
How does private instruction work?
@@DavidOrtiz-fd2lb You have to find a priest who is willing to meet with you one-on-one for direct instruction. He'll probably assign readings and then discuss those with you in weekly meetings. I'm not sure that it always follows that formula; there are probably variations. My advice is to begin by praying for a couple of weeks that the Holy Mother will guide you to a really good priest.
Welcome home to the Eucharist and Eternal Truth! I'd also love to hear your story.
God bless you in your journey. 🙏❤️🙏
HE IS TALKING TO GOD, NOT YOU! Ironically we cannot say that loud enough!😁
Bad move putting Fr. Mike Schmidtz as the face of norvus ordo. Better to contrast it to historical figures for the sake of unity we all desire. Of course I prefer TLM but let’s see the forest through the trees here.
He’s a well known priest, both by Catholics and outsiders who celebrates the Novus Ordo mass. That’s just a fact, I have no problems with Father Mike, I just think a lot of you are reading too much into his use in the thumbnail.
We attend a Traditional Latin Mass celebrated by the FSSP in Tacoma, WA. It is the Mass of our youth (grade school, high school & college) and we are thrilled to be able to attend now that we are in our sunset years. It requires a little time and traveling committment, but pays big dividends. We are introducing our grandchildren to the TLM. 🥰
Thankful for St Joseph’s and NAM to be close by! Grateful for the TLM!
@PhillipsTraining we love our North American Martyrs parish, and love going to St. Joseph's when we go through Tacome. We are more blessed than we deserve.
My family goes to that parish, I used to attend mass at St. Joseph’s and NAM when I lived in Washington
My son goes there, too!
I have been yearning to attend the Latin Mass at St. Joseph's for over a year. I'm nervous to "just show up" but I know it's what I need to do.
Trad Mass, Institute of Christ The King In Wausau and Green Bay WI. 3 masses on Sunday packed full and oh my; look at all the children.
The more I learn about the differences, the more I appreciate the Latin/Mass of the Ages the more.
I am back attending the Latin Mass. I'm learning week to week. I am back HOME ❤
"Back home"; that was precisely my reaction. God bless 😊
Welcome home!
Gloria Deo! ave Christus rex, may God bless you brother.