Wont kill you. ; ) I agree. "Adult Wednesday Addams" HERE, was better (and with lesser means too), because it had the right mood. Melissa Hunter did a good job on that one. "Sketch wednesday" is great!
Something that was really annoying me was that Wednesday made it perfectly clear since day 1 that she is a violent and anti-social person but her classmates keep acting shocked when she treats them like garbage or will resort to violence first
it just makes no sense to try to stick Wednesday's character into typical TV drama tropes like that because she doesn't have a traditional moral compass nor does she experience or express emotions in a typical way. So there's this really weird dissonance between what her character is set up to be (violent, anti-social, apathetic) and what the writers are trying to make her character do (be a chosen one, compete with other students socially, take part in a traditional romance and friendship). it's like the writers don't know what do with her because they don't know how to drive the plot forward in a way that leans in to and highlights Wednesday's personality, it's just kind of a quirk that's there but doesn't seem to effect anything.
@666 It makes complete sense and is totally the point. It's the Addams Family in a world of normal people. Well, the main focus is on Wednesday. Even though Wednesday is in a school filled with outcasts and weirdos, she remains uncanny towards her peers. Wednesday deliberately makes fun of shows like Riverdale. The love triangle is a gag in the show. If there is going to be a romance, it will be with Eugene.
@@martialspiritwarrior i dunno, i think they play it way too straight for me to believe that this show is meant to satirize teen dramas. if that's what they're going for they did a bad job lmao. shame bc a satire would actually be a really interesting use of Wednesday's character imo
this show fell into the trap of “teenager must hate their parents because they're teenagers” trope. i’m not an addams family fan but I can tell that one of the things that people love about this franchise is just how much the family loves one another. they love each other’s spookiness and darkness and support each other even when everyone else ostracizes them. i just didn’t like wednesday becoming essentially a pretentious brat who doesn’t like people (I do think she becomes less pretentious as the episodes go on, though). it was too generic and obvious of a path to take with her character. it’s like “girl dark, girl like death. girl don’t like people.”
Exactly. The rebellious teen is a trope that can be found in so many plots. The Addams' dedication to each other, presented as a fierce united front against conformity as opposed to the hokey, aw-shucks version of the "nuclear family", is what makes them unique in culture.
Exactly! They showed so much love and support for each other. Well, except when Pupert was born but still 😆. When I saw they were going that route I stopped watching.
@@brittianyhightower1696Actually they still loved their brother. When Debbie called him a brat, Wednesday stuck up for him. And in the end the baby saved everyone. You must remember, torturing each other is still just another way they express love to each other. Wednesday literally electrocuted her brother. And Fester once opened up Gomez head.
I like Wednesday not loving people (or not showing affection to the few she loves) but I mean other people than her family. The persons she really loves is indeed her family. She will remain less affectionate (I did like that hug in the show where the family all hold each other, she comes to them but her arms remain down but we know she cares since she came) but we know she would do anything for them, not get in a angsty fight with her mother. I tried to put this on adolescence but it is still weird since her parents are normally always very supportive and loving of their children. I didn't get Morticia being angry at her daughter. Morticia and Gomez are dark but also innocent, they love everybody. Wednesday is a bit different and darker, she indeed probably would not want to have a love story like her mother but would not be angry at her for anything.
Wednesday's biggest problem is that it leans into modern tropes instead of subverting them. It should have gone, "Your father's a murderer!" "I know. They tell that story at every family gathering."
one of the first things they say is how embarrassing it is she could be charged with attempted murder because it shows she failed to kill the kids with piranhas, and then suddenly they’re all upset and hiding that the family killed a teen in defense? weirdo dialogue. it’s like they forgot what they wrote, and what they wrote about.
They destroyed the original Addams values. One of the main thing about the characters is they’re not judgmental. You can be pastel dolled up lolita nd they’ll be like “ok you’re weird but you do you”. But in Wednesday she’s super judgmental nd she’s always casting this “im superior than you alll peasants” aura. Was pretty annoying.
as a teenager myself, it really bugged me that they referenced tiktok and other social media so much. I get that they were trying to make it seem ‘in touch’ with teens, but that’s going to become outdated really quickly.
It is supposed to be outdated/in tune with this current era. What if I wanted to look back at the past, then this Wednesday adaptation (2022) would take me back. The old movies are outdated, reminisces of the early 90s.
I find it weird how Wednesday would look down upon Gomez because of a possibility of him committing murder, when in fact she should've been excited or proud of him since they are The Addams family, we are talking about Wednesday a girl who would roleplay decapitation with dolls and even try to kill her infant brother along with Pugsley.
It's really more about Gomez's hypocrisy; sending her to a boarding school for nearly killing someone, while hiding the fact that he had previously been charged with murder in the first degree. He was acquitted because of the coverup, but it wasn't until the exhumation that they had solid proof of their innocence. The public had wanted justice for the death and he had no proof that it was in self-defense. Given the chance to confront him, after he had confessed to it, would (in Wednesday's eyes) either solidify him as a hypocrite, or as a lying coward (which she suspected to be true.) In the end he was lying, but for good reason.
I feel like not only they seemed afraid of making the show more campy, it feels like they were afraid of making it more macabre and sinister, like, Wednesday tortures her own brother for fuck's sake, why not show her being weird and borderline scary like in other adaptations? Netflix's Wednesday gives me Jughead's "I'm a weirdo" monologue from Riverdale vibes and it sucks
This!! The original movies were so macabre in such a creative way that always felt fresh, and never something that you had seen elsewhere. But with this tv show we got nothing of that
are u kiddding? this series alone was so much more dark then any of the other movies, like ive never seen so much blood in a 12 plus show before, but then again, the addams family was light satire while this was just more begginers thriller
@@LieutenantAnna123 the 90s movies were also pg13 and yet they managed to make it dark even with the jokes, the show has blood and all but still, it’s giving quirky and not weird and macabre
I don't know who in that writing room had such severe mommy issues that they felt the need to give Wednesday and Morticia a bad relationship but I hope they go to therapy some day
@@maiasanders3691yes, regular ass basic traditional people's families. The Addams is meant to be a loving family as a mirror to the hypocritical American family values despite being "dark" people. Her having typical teenage girl issues doesn't fit in the type of people the Addams are. The trope would be Morticia being proud of Wednesday being her own person
Tim Burton, I mean... all of his films feature some strain of that. Look at Beetlejuice. Heck the star of Wednesday is making a comeback to be Lydia's daughter for goodness sakes.
Jenna Ortega really played Wednesday so well but besides that this should’ve been a movie instead of a whole series in my opinion. I also didn’t like how they have Wednesday not have a good relationship with her mother because the whole purpose of the Adams Family is that they seem odd and liked unusual things but they all loved each other. I’m also tired of Netflix and all of these streaming apps rebooting old movies or making these wattpad type of shows/ movies like can we get something original and new?
Omg while watching it I kept yelling "WHY DOES SHE HATE HER MOM THIS MAKES NO SENSE????" Because the Addams family have always loved each other. Was she just being an angsty teen??
@@MikaelaCher why? people grow up and usually have attitudes when they reach teen years. the other two wednesdays were younger then this one can't expect her to stay the same forever.
the biggest thing that irked me with this show was the family dinamics. Tim Burton is so hell-bent on making his main characters complete outsiders, utterly alone and detached from the world they live in, that he misses the ENTIRE point of the Addams family. We love the Addams family because they are outsiders together. The rest of the world might not get them, but their family is so supportive, so encouraging and caring of each others interests, even with the occasional murder and/or torture, that it doesn't matter what other people think. One of my favourite scenes of the The Addams Family movie is the theatre scene Wednesday and Pugsley perform: it's so gorey, but clearly took so much time and effort, so of course their family is impressed and cheer them on. Obviously they are the only ones who clap, but the kids don't care about other people's opinions, they value their family's above all. This feeling is so absent from the series it made me forget I was supossed to be watching an "Addams family" inspired show.
@Franchesca lesward i guess, but the show banks a lot on the character of Wednesday we know, that was created through her relationship with her family in other movies/shows. If the show was about an original character, it probably wouldn’t have become as famous. As a pre-established character, it makes no sense for her to behave this way, especially with her mother, and it really hindred my suspension of disbelief. It’s like if they made a show about Lisa Simpson but her relationship with her family was the opposite of what it had been on The Simpsons. Besides, the whole asthetic of the show is based on other Addams family media, and to me it feels very lack luster compared to the other family dynamics we have.
I agree completely. The Addams particularly in the Addams Family movies they are seen as the opposite as a ‘normal’ family. They would have supported Wednesday and as much as I dislike the animated movies the family supported her when she was starting to act ‘normal’
@Franchesca lesward true, it’s likely she could have a change in attitude because she’s a teen, i just don’t find it believable for it to be to this extent. It’s almost like she’s never felt connected to her family at all. When I watched the Addams Family musical, I thought they handled this type of change much better then in the show, but it’s just my personal opinion!
There's so much I didn't like that I didn't watch it. First, the hot wife/schlub dynamic. I understand people feel protective of Luis Guzman and the cartoon also had this dynamic, but Morticia has never not been a snack. It's not so much that I don't want Luis to have love but I'd like some love for a similarly unconventionally attractive woman instead of an incredibly conventionally hot woman. I would have preferred Gwendolyn Christie as Morticia actually, even though she's a model, leaning into the height difference would even be an improvement, pushing the convention so far that it's not reading like Goth King of Queens. Then I saw the clip where Morticia is disappointed her daughter doesn't want babies and I'm like... what? No. Wednesday's dynamic with Morticia, how she's her mother's daughter, is my FAVORITE. If you are going to give them tension, why this? Morticia would support the hell out of child free Wednesday, out of Ace Wednesday. If there's a conflict it should be over Wednesday wanting to be conventional, or choice of murder weapons or something. This show just turned the Addams family into such a heterosexual dystopia, I have no interest in anything besides the dance scene which admittedly I have watched several times.
@Franchesca lesward al menos en mi opinión, la Familia Adams y Merlina como personaje son super originales, pero en la serie habian muchos clichés y creo que fue potencial desperdiciado para hacer algo diferente, sin los traingulos amorosos ni drama madre e hija, clichés.
It's so weird the way they did it, too, because in the jokes Wednesday is all about murder and mutilation/torture, but the second someone is actually murdered she's like "murder bad" (i.e. being upset about her father potentially killing someone)
Might seem weird to "regular" people like yourself, but coming from someone who is very much like Wednesday, I understand the thought process behind that. I'll explain - so it's kind of like when you say, "I'm gonna kill you if you ever do that again," to someone that took your last donut, but you wouldn't actually do it. Wednesday still has morals, but because she comes from a family of weirdos and masochists, her moral blueprint is slightly skewed. Everyone has limits of what is right and wrong. Wednesday thinks putting piranhas in a pool to inact revenge on someone who shoved her brother in a locker is a perfectly reasonable way to handle the situation, but if someone were to actually die, she'd understand how wrong what she did was. So to her, hurting people (for, in her mind, a good reason) is okay but killing someone (unless they deserved it) is totally not okay. The joke about the whole "attempted murder" charges and Wednesday saying, "then everyone would know I didn't finish the job," or whatever she said, was just that, a joke, and that was all. I've made jokes like that before. Is it normal? Probably not, but I have a dark sense of humor. I hope that clears things up for you
@@donaldhysa4836 in the movies they are actually murderous though. Usually not on purpose, but they never make a big deal of it. At Uncle Fester’s bachelor party, a stripper accidentally gets baked into a cake and they all laugh it off. Both movies also end with the villains dying. So it’s weird Wednesday would actually care about her father killing someone. In the show she fed a swimming team to piranhas, she is a psychopath! She’d be excited about the story behind it, not concerned about her dad being a killer
Surprised you didn't mention this: the cut of Morticia's costumes? Very odd. I expect glamorous, plunging, made-for-her, long lines, but instead it felt like an H&M Halloween costume. And the makeup was an odd look as well, because if she's meant to be naturally pale, then the foundation should look like skin. And if she's not, and they want to make it appear as if she DOES apply base makeup, shouldn't it look like it was on purpose? It felt so dry and cakey for no reason, like they were trying to cover up signs of aging but they just made it look worse. Zeta-Jones can and has served so much harder. Them's my two cents.
On the other hand she literally uses baking powder as foundation according to the original 60s series so maybe the cakey appearance was on purpose? Or maybe I'm giving them too much credit lmao
Yesss! I HATE the way they styled Morticia. She looks.... cheap? There's no structure to her dress, and it gives such an unpolished look imo. Tbh I think pretty much everyone's costuming looks like it was done in really cheap fabrics, but I definitely found Morticia's to be the most egregious.
YES! She looked so plain and empty with just her long hair and that dress. The clothes were wearing her. If you wear that much black and are playing MORTICIA, you need to have the attitude, grace and confidence to pull it off. Or I would have liked to see a beautiful necklace or SOME sort of accessories, or a really heavy smokey eye.... She was giving more "chola" than vamp, but I guess I was spoiled by Anjelica Houston's Morticia.
Her relationship with Morticia was just wrong. Yes, Wednesday is morbid and snarky, but her mother very much nurtured Wednesday’s overall attitude and the two never fought. It was all love between them at the end of the day, in their own way 🖤 Also, totally agree with you - don’t think Wednesday would have given a shit about her father being a potential murderer. It would have been a point of pride for her.
I mean… she’s a teenage girl. No matter how great your mom is, most teen girls have Complicated relationships with their mothers. Throw in being surrounded by your mother’s accomplishments… yeah I can see why they seem tense at first. They end the family visit episode on a fantastic note.
my whole issue with the show is how they turned THE Wednesday Addams into a detective solving a murder in the name of justice, it's so out of character. she was literally bragging about attempted murder in the first ep and then being all upset her father is a murderer and despising Tyler too like ?????? Jenna Ortega's performance definitely is the saving grace of this show.
Hit show needs to have: - Existing IP or other nostalgia bait - Safe plot (murder mystery seems to be the theme on the more recent shows like from 2019 on) - Romance AND action (to try and appeal to everybody) - PG13 rating (to get more potential merch buyers and free marketers watching) which usually excludes queer characters and narratives If you don't abide to all of those, your show will struggle to get investors and the OK from Netflix. And IF it airs, it won't be that much of a hit to please investors.
My main issue with the show was the love triangle, I just didn’t think Wednesday needed a love interest. She didn’t really like them, and they thought they were entitled to dates or being around her at all.
Agree! her character doesn’t need a love interest.. especially right away. It would’ve been more interesting to include a love interest in the last like 2 episodes then have the love triangle in season 2 to show her evolving as a character and give a clif hanger for what a second season would be about
yeah, and both of the guys acted so entitled when she “rejected” them. she didn’t show interest in them at all tbh unless it was for her own benefit. people could argue that tyler was just pretending for obvious reasons, but how did xavier get so sad when wednesday literally didn’t show any emotion to him at all 🧍♀️. it was very forced in my opinion. he was down bad for her since the first ep lol.
I didn't mind the boys liking her despite her never giving them any signs she liked them. I just wish they'd used that and had her actually have no interest in them and tell them that. People crushing on someone and seeing signals that aren't there isn't unusual, but she genuinely never gives them any signs that she's into them before she starts seeing Tyler. Anything remotely close to a sign from her felt more like her manipulating them to get what she wanted than any hint at genuine interest.
Well, for Tyler... *{Spoilers}* He was evil! Him liking Wednesday was all about the blood part of the ritual to revive Crackerjack or whatever. What they had was not genuine, so it didn't really bother me that he was able to manipulate her into liking him back. He even forced them to have a date, speaking over her as she was trying to express she wasn't fully committed to the possibility of them being an item. The kiss was also... Plot related. She needed it for the vision, and it marked the END of their romance, rather than the start. Which was very unexpected and I found it even more rewarding. And with Xavier, it felt organic enough to be believable. He made a whole painting of her, they believed each other past other's judgement and accusations (of course, she wrongfully got him arrested, but she was being manipulated by Tyler and Christina Ricci) and there was a platonic resolution. They didn't need to end up together, and they didn't. I hope season 2 keeps it that way.
@@apersonwhodraws The addams' family is portraying the opposite of a stereotypical family and values. Wednesday being a teenager in highschool in a love triangle and portaying her as "not like the other girls" and "Edgy and quirky" character is just a cheap lame and lazy writing.
I noticed that something was wrong, I thought that the problem was Tim Burton's direction, but when I investigated I realized that the script was a disaster, it was written by Alfred Gough and Miles Millar, the same writers of Hannah Montana the movie and Herbie, they modified Tim Burton's original script because they considered it weird and creepy. Wednesday ended up being like any other teeanager show.
that makes so much sense because i was so confused by how someone who made beetlejuice and edward scissor hands could produce something as mediocre as wednesday
I love Hannah Montana but jesus, the fact that they felt the need to yassify Tim Burton into a Riverdale type of story 😭 Just... the audacity of it really. Burton is one of the greatest and most unique director/writer. While Hannah Montana... is good but not at that level. It's like forcing Martin Scorcece to make Gossip Girl 😢
i think the main problem i had with Wednesday’s character was that they leaned too much into the whole “girlboss” character with her being good at everything, her having a quip/snark for every answer, having two guys obsess over her, having powers. It’s interesting but it’s not Wednesday. What I enjoyed most about the older versions was Wednesday was just a weird girl with different interests, no powers, no superhuman talents, not a perfect person. She was only snarky when she needed to be, it wasn’t her whole personality. And she had a super healthy relationship with her parents which was cool because it was a subversion of the whole “angsty kid goes against her parents” genre we see time and time again. But they just removed all of that in this. Also, People didn’t just not like her cause shes mysterious or their jealous cause she’s interesting- they hated her, wanted her gone, eliminated, and/or her personality eradicated. Her fighting against those normative ideals being her campy self is what made her so endearing. A lot of the characters i feel were a little too off from what I feel what made them so interesting in the first place.
@@oonooooooooo so you're saying if I know how to play the piano, dance ballet, speak 4 different languages, skilled at archery, knows a few martial arts, good at fencing, plays the violin, does that make me a Mary-sue? I agree with everything OP said except this part how is being good at a lot of things makes you a Mary-sue? it's not unrealistic people like this do exist.
@@lennygriffin2761 being good at things doesn't particularly make someone a mary-sue, rather when you pair that up with no flaws whatsoever Wednesday about to torture Tyler over bee boy is her most "flawed" moment.......until you remember she was fine with throwing live piranhas into a high school swimming pool at the very beginning of the show.
@@mayo4507 Wednesday actually has a lot of flaws. She lacks a lot of social skills, she has problems with communicating with others( she doesn't know how to have a normal conversation like a normal teen everything she says is either too blunt or disturbing), she lacks empathy, she is manipulative, she struggles with expressing how she feels, and most importantly she pushes people away.
@@lennygriffin2761 yes, but they all like her anyway, so this is not flaws anymore) Like it's supposed to be cool, doesn't have deep feelings, emotions or boundaries with people, because it's make her stronger then them and ,, special,,
The reason the Wednesday from The Addams family values works is because she's mean and rude towards unlikeable people, that's why we root for her when she lets the spoiled girl drown and when she burns down the whole thanksgiving play. But the Netflix's Wednesday is just horrible to everybody who happens to exist, it was fun when she almost killed her brother's bully because he's getting what he deserves, but after transferring to Nevermore she's terrible to Enid and uses everybody to get what she wants. I have absolutely no idea why Enid decided to go back to her room and be friends with her again. Honestly I would rather be friends with Bianca, she's gold.
@@johannaelloso9418 ngl when she said "for some reason I don't understand you seem to like me" and Xavier tells her "What's there to like?" I was like FINALLY!!! but then he goes back to like her again even tho she almost ruins his life Unrelated complain: as a native spanish speaker it irks me the way everybody pronounces Xavier's name. It's original pronunciation it's more like Havier. I don't know why Jenna still pronounces it wrong when she's latina but whatever
I had a hard time with the Addams trying to be all *we are creepy and like murder, death, torture* and yet, there all so shocked when dad is arrested for murder. Mom is so ashamed of her past murder and what her children would think. Even though, she would, in my eyes, according to her character description, take pride in killing her stalker. Or Wednesday being like I like murder as long as it’s not *murder* It’s that they tried too hard to fit Wednesday into this mold of CW Nancy drew heroine while keeping her personality. They just don’t mesh and just makes them seem fake or trying too hard
Right! like Morticia would proudly talk about a relative enslaving a minister and getting burned at the stake for being a witch...not to mention alot of the addams died becuase they were tortured to death or died in a freak accident according to the 1990s versions..so the addams being uncomfortable with death or withholding family history just felt out of character. Since gomez got framed becuase he was protecting his great love only invalidates the parents keeping the murder a secret even more.
Yeah that’s what I couldn’t understand either, It definitely took out the mystique aspect from the whole family.. like I’d understand if they wanted to get him out because Morticia and Gomez can’t keep their hands off each other but otherwise that was a poor choice to rewrite them that way.
I also feel like Wednesday was never meant to be attractive. As a character in every other adaptation she's creepy, or just average at best. The fact they cast her as this gorgeous girl who every boy falls in love with even though she's kind of a jerk, further proves my suspicion that this was all about the 🤑🤑
nah it’s cuz they used to make wednesday look uncanny and it’s very easy to make gorgeous perfect people look uncanny. however stylistic choices like giving her a contour, for example, contradicts that completely as it enchances HUMAN features and makes wednesday look like she chooses what to wear and not like there’s something deeply wrong with her that nobody will ever be able to put their finger on exactly but it’s definitely there (which is uncanny)
@@Sarawarawara- Isn't that an indictment of our culture in and of itself? Why can't we tell good stories worth watching about average looking or not conventionally attractive female characters?
According to the saying from the majority of the audiences--Wednesday is a bad person because she's being a jerk all over the boys, YET, she shouldn't be all that surprised about her dad being a murderer? this means she should be nice goody two shoes with the boys and just accept the fact that her family members were murderers(?) Again,why being jerk(non abusively) with the boy is problematic? Why this triggered people so much? But being a daughter to a murderous father is somewhat acceptable? I'm having difficulty in trying to understand this.
What put me off immediately was that the Addams’ crimes (murder, maiming etc) was treated so seriously with real consequences in the story. Maybe I’m so used to the 90s version just offhandedly dropping one liners of how they’ve committed crimes being played purely for laughs with no lasting impact (Debby:“Aren’t you a ladykiller?” Gomez: “No, I quit”) I felt like it added to the charm of making the family cooky. They were cartoon characters living in the real world who didn’t abide by its rules but in Wednesday they just seem like absurd people who still have to answer to the law; it just doesn’t feel right
That's exactly what I felt! In the Addam's Family, the dark humor was JUST dark humor, and it fit really well, especially putting word play into effect as well (like you said, ladykiller). And they never harmed good people; they traumatized the bad ones. In Wednesday, all of the violence, or rather Wednesday's hostility and cruelty, was very misdirected--like toward Enid and Xavier and others. And the dark humor wasn't well done. It wasn't funny and was not in the same tone at all from the original (imo), so it made it seem that the show was just glorifying evil. Which, I suppose the original **could** be interpreted as glorification of evil, but it was still obviously satire, and rather, glorification of kookiness.
And that character has been done over and over, like every Zooey deschanel character, where it’s intended to shock normies and cause cognitive dissonance. This trope is SO TIRED and it made me mentally exhausted just seeing the trailer. Then the fact that it’s blown up and everyone is acting like it’s this huge original culture- jamming moment 🙄 I wish more people invested in older shows pre-Netflix Original era that were well written quality multidimensional. I’m just bitter I guess because I am old enough to remember when the goth thing was an actual, authentic subculture. Pre-Internet. I’m like the old lady complaining about the kids loud rock music now!
Super minor pet peeve but since I haven't seen anyone mention it I wanted to say the idea that a "scary movie" for Wednesday would be Legally Blonde just goes to show how flat and one-dimensional they made this character. She's been flanderized so much and manufactured to be hashtag not like other girls ™️ that anything pink revolts her and it's so ironic because Elle Woods and Wednesday are kindred spirits just with different aesthetics. The idea that Wednesday could watch Elle be assaulted and mistreated and still come up on top because she realized she never needed to prove anything to anyone and think of it as "torturous" because she likes the color pink and is girly just made me irrationally upset lol. But maybe it's just because I have a soft spot for that movie.
That made Elle so charming, she was like other girls, was okay with it, and thrown into a world of boring, not like other girls world. She was oblivious to how different she was, and she liked everything they did not. She actually had alot in common with the Addams family, who is upbeat, optimistic, but different than everyone, and is oblivious to it. Just like Elle in legally blonde.
yess wednesday's whole not like other girls thing felt really misogynistic and wasn't cute at all. they could have made her be afraid of a cutesy disney movie like in family values instead of making her repulsed by...femininity
I just think that's the show leaning into the campiness. I agree that it's an issue though because there are other scenes of the writers making Wednesday out to genuinely care about people like that. They have to either write a well grounded show or fully lean into the campiness. The charm of camp film doesn't work unless it's fully embraced in all its satire.
@@sleepyghostgirl All of this. One small scene I adore from The Addams Family's Values is when Wednesday and Joel were by the lake and he confided in her about how he was plagued by allergies. Instead of making this his failure and thus him the butt of the joke, it was this intimate, romantic and cute, but still morbidly funny moment, where Wednesday was attracted to and had compassion for his vulnerabilities.
For real! Like sure it's not Wednesday's aesthetic, but the message sure as hell is. A talented, smart 'girlboss' who is independant and fabulous? That's totally Wednesday Addams!
Honestly, when Wednesday gets a special uniform granted from mum and dad privilege and NO ONE says anything ever about that, the tone for the show was very clear. I mean, Wednesday arrives at school among hundreds of people, has no obvious personality traits or powers apart being goth or treating everyone like shit and yet everyone around her will fall in love with her, hate her, want to be her friends. They even talk about her when she's not on screen. A lot. It's Sabrina Mary Sue Spellman meets a Harry Potter generic fanfic.
They could have made so that every student(or the main ones at least) has a modified uniform that suits their personalities. Or even show that Wednesday had to wear a normal uniform but modified it herself out of spite or smth
@@johaseul4538 I thought that was a joke but if it was intended to be comically serious as in the classic Addams style, it would have been great to see Wednesday having an allergic reaction to colourful items before getting the uniform. Good ol'rule of "show don't tell"! Btw the more we talk about the uniform the more it looks Mary Sue-ish. I work in a school and students can wear what they want but we'll still get complaints if some students are perceived to be treated differently (as it is right). Imaging having "special uniforms" for just one person, it would be RIOT
something that irked me to my very soul in the series was how they tried to create tension between wednesday and her family when literally the whole point of the addams family is that they are a satire of the conventional nuclear family who kind of fake loves each other, so the addams family truly loves each other but it just appears in generally unconventional ways. i feel like its just such a betrayal of the characters and idk what’s worse if they didn’t know or just didn’t care, either way it’s simply tragic and i hope the writers get help soon +i love that someone is finally pointing out the deep flaws in this series i felt like i was going crazy for a bit with the way that everyone was praising it and she always explains things so eloquently too i feel like someone is finally putting my thoughts into words
YES! I was immediately so stressed when Morticia tells Wednesday the family has been warned about her and she can’t escape to find refuge from Nevermore. Like I understand Wednesday being a bratty teenager, but I don’t love the dynamic of a strained relationship with her mom like that and Morticia choosing to push her daughter out like she can’t handle her. It didn’t feel right.
EXACTLY! like I was so confused when she was so angry at mortia because it didn't make sense? the family was close in like all the other ones, it felt like in this one it was just to be edgy.
Although the writers probably never intended this, but if Wednesday is ace, then I imagine her disdain for her mother stems from that. She rejects the overt displays of affection and romantic interests consistently throughout the season, even telling her parents to knock it off in the car. She's not comfortable with that stuff but everyone continues to push it onto her. As she said, she's not interested in being a housewife. If Wednesday is ace, then her mother is the romantic foil she's bound to butt heads with.
@@FranFellow731 is so absurd, Morticia loves Wednesday in the original series.... Since she reminds her of herself as a little child (morticia was the weird sorrow kid of her family, the completely opposite of her twin sister Ophelia, only in Gomez she found how to accept her true self)
What makes me sad is, that the show made the Addams Family has the normal teenager film problems. Like the mom wants her daughter to be that what she never could be, ect. But the Addams Family was so funny, because even though they were strange looking, they were a family that loved, cared and supported each other. And this is now gone
They still support and love one another though. In the show it's made explicit that Wednesday would quite literally kill for Pugsley, and even though her relationship with her parents becomes more complicated, they still have open communication throughout the show. Wednesday tells her Gomez he was a great father and by the end she makes up with her mother. Wednesday went from being a kid to a teen, and it's only realistic that she distances herself from her parents. Doesn't mean they don't love each other still.
@@tillie_brn ... But the whole gag of the family is that they aren't a realistic or normal family, so having her character distance herself from her parents shouldn't have even been in question. It was just something to relate to their target audience. A group of teenagers who want to be different, but are truly just stuck up and mean.
Another thing that upset me (that I’ve heard a lot of people mention) is Wednesday’s disdain towards her mother. I understand that teen girls often have problems with their parents but like…the whole point of the Addams family is that they subvert the nuclear family with their unapologetic bond and love for one another. The whole “I don’t want to be like my mom” thing was so bizarre. We don’t see any indication that Morticia is trying to push that so it’s fully fueled by some delusion by Wednesday that makes no sense. The show also tries to portray Wednesday as a feminist but just uses feminist buzzwords in the dialogue and then has Wednesday act with a lot of internalized misogyny to propel herself as “better” than the other female characters. Like when she called her black, frilly lace, turtle-necked dress for the Rave’n as catering to the male gaze-what the fuck?? I can’t imagine a world in which Wednesday thinks that being a homemaker is a bad thing when she has been raised by Gomez and Morticia. Like the Addams family is a matriarchal family, Morticia runs everything and has Gomez wrapped around her finger, she is in total control. I think I could forgive it more if we saw her actually grow and change. I know we get that tiny bit when we see Morticia threaten the mayor and Wednesday starts to see that there are different ways to be strong, but then they blatantly missed the opportunity for more growth when Wednesday watched Legally Blonde!!! Like it would have been such a good moment for Wednesday to further realize that feminine=\=bad, but they glossed over it. It’s so clear that the tv show went for the aesthetics of the Addams family without actually engaging with it. Wednesday is purely “not like other girls” from an aesthetic point of view, not a moral one. She hates the blonde (Amanda I think?) in the movie because she’s an elitist bitch, and is very closed minded, not because she’s a blonde girl who wears pink. The Addams family is an extremely open-minded family, so for Wednesday to have an opposite mindset in the tv show is crazy. It shows that the tv show wants to get “girlboss” points but not actually try to grow through its characters and I think that’s a very harmful narrative for young girls.
I'm seeing all these comments of really good ideas and opinions and now I'm going to respectfully steal them and add my stuff to it and make a better wednesday show
@@Mole-EstherI think when they say 'blonde' they are referring to the blonde child at the summer camp in addams family values. And she was definitely an elitist bitch lol
when you said "wednesday is removed from her family when the whole point of the addams family is that they're a family unit" I finally understood why the whole concept of the show never sat quite right with me!! when I first saw advertisements for the show I was like "oh okay, this could be interesting but idk..?" I always felt kind of iffy and that was exactly why. the addams family is the addams family for a reason. not just the addams lol
I'll be honest, I've only watched one episode before I dropped it became Wednesday relationship with her parents felt so, wrong. While I know it's only about her, her family is also apart of her. I want her to love her family and if she's gonna be snarky with them than maybe it could be the type where the parents just know it's just all talk? I have a better explanation for that but I can't find words for it at the moment. I think if I gave it another chance I might like it but idk, I'm not interested in it as I was with the old cartoon and the live action movies from the 90s
@@WallFlower08 that's the whole reason why its not good lmao. the appeal of addams family values is, well, the addams family. not just wednesday. that's why the previous versions worked and this one didn't
The point of the Addams family is that they are the outcast and the weirdos. Their interactions with “normal” people is what makes them so funny. Putting Wednesday in a school with people who are also weirdos and different is just… so… what’s the point lol.
I think maybe it could've worked, but it didn't because none of those characters were actually weird. They all fit into cliche high school movie characters.
Finally someone who says Wednesday is just another Riverdale. I felt the same when I saw the first episode and it was just a goth version of Riverdale.
@Cordelia John If Wednesday were like Riverdale so it would actually be a good show because Riverdale is good for its proposal, I guess people are stupid and don't understand this... The concept of shows and movies before diving into them 🤷♀️🤦♀️💋
@@aestheticking2111 plus I was more compelled and more interested in Eden story and her struggles of becoming a full werewolf, and the struggle of not being a full werewolf. Plus, I love her personality. It was so bubbly and she had way more character then Wednesday
Even as someone that had little to no knowledge on Wednesday or the Addams family in general I felt that it was weird for a character like her to have a love interest, much less be involved a whole love triangle
Strongly agree about the endless series of one-liners. It truly got exhausting. It felt like the writers were just trying to make every time she spoke memeable.
This is what turned me off after the first episode. I have no complaints about the acting, costumes, or overall cinematography. But it feels as if they tried way too hard to shoehorn in way too many one-liners and other contrived meme-able content that could be replicated on TikTok. Not only did it get old fast, but I’m also tired of seeing endless “Wednesday dance” videos all ove my timeline on various platforms.
And they weren't even good! They were so clichè. Christina Ricci Wednesday one liners were so iconic and really good observations on people. I always liked that her Wednesday understood people, she just didn't want any part of them. This Wednesday lacks any self awareness.
"I feel like the original Addams wouldn't care about being murderers" THANK YOU! That bothered me so much while watching the series because they do kill MULTIPLE PEOPLE in the movies. After accidentally killing a stripper in Addams Family Values, Gomez literally laughs it off, exclaims "C'est la vie!" and everyone goes on with the bachelor party as if nothing happened. I just don't believe that Wednesday, a character that's presented to us in this very same story as someone who doesn't want 'attempted murder' in her record because "everyone would know I failed to get the job done", would care about murder at all.
Wednesday didn't care about the murder, she cared about the mystery, she just wanted to solve it, what she was referring to in the video is the murder of Morticia and Gomez
yeah whats fun about the addams family is that you get totally immersed in their morality that it almost starts to not even feel weird when you really get into it (they usually do this by presenting their family dynamic as generally healthy/happy/loving which contrasts with the "normal" people who are often shown as unhappy or abusive or fake). They could have EASILY had a Wednesday murder solving plot that was powered by her curiousity/game playing with the joke being that everyone else was taking it super seriously like they would IRL while she was taking it seriously as a game. The show just didn't know what it wanted to be.
i was literally wondering why there was a romance too, i'm glad i'm not the only one AND THE WHOLE DEBBY RYAN SMILE WITH TYLER IM DEAD I KNEW SOMETHING FELT OFF
I enjoyed the show for the most part, but once again film/tv writers prove that they just can’t write outcasts. Wednesday is “antisocial, morbid and fascinated with the grotesque, an outcast among outcasts”. And yet she’s insanely popular. Everyone knows who she is. People are fascinated by her, drawn to her. She has two love interests despite being aloof and unfriendly, one of which is the ex boyfriend of the most popular girl in school. People want to know her and be her friend even though she pushes them away constantly. She “accidentally” attends the big social event thanks to Thing’s machinations, and of course everyone wows over her dress and kooky dancing. As the series went on, I realised she reminded me of a PG friendly version of Effy Stonem from Skins - a loner, a bit odd and wild, but people think she’s mysterious and hot so they’re still drawn to her. Even Enid is basically Pandora. Wednesday is an outlier, sure. An outcast? No. No one treats her as less than equal. No one avoids her. Christina Ricci’s Wednesday was more convincingly despised and looked down upon by her peers. It didn’t make her any less awesome. I wish Hollywood writers could figure out how to make an actual outcast character and still make them likeable and relatable.
THANK you! That annoyed the hell out of me! As someone who was an outsider myself for some time during my teens, this felt ridiculous. she is definitely one of the most popular girls at this school
What made me even more mad is how they destroyed Morticia's and the rest of the family's personalities and relationship to each other. Morticia is supposed to be this dark, vampire-like lady that is both alluring and creepy, the 91's version of her was perfect to show that, meanwhile the the new one looks like a halloween costume with no effort. Her personality is so different as well, she was always a supportive mother, sure she liked the more dark gothic asthetic for her family but she wouldnt force any of her kids to be like that, if Wednesday said she wanted to be a pastel lolita type girl, she wouldnt be personally fond of it, but would still let her kid be herself as long as it made her happy. In the show, shes just an overbearing mom that is trying to force her kid to be her.
I mean, in the 60s show morticia did try to change pugsley into his old, goth self when he adopted a puppy and joined boy scouts and in the musical the main theme is wednesday trying to be ‘’normal’’ for his normie bf and morticia not being supportive of it so the characters are reimaginable definitely, I do however think what made the Addams family special was their loving family dynamic in spite of their weirdness
My main issue is that the show is just not weird or wacky enough. There are no fun hijinks that I associate with the Addams family. They really didn’t use the potential of the IP at all. Anything that happens is something you can find in any other generic supernatural teen drama. Also, it feels like we were told through dialogue way too often about how weird and macabre the Addams family is, but we seldom see them prove this. Same thing with the school. Why does a school of vampires and werewolves scream for their lives when it starts raining blood.
Finally someone points that out! I was hoping they would do a joke about the vampires finding out it was ink and be grossed out and even freak out about that. But literally everyone was like “OH NO! BLOOD!” 😂
I think that the show's biggest problem was that they decided to treat the Addams Family seriously, which just doesn't work. The TV series and movies implied that the Addams did a lot of horrible things and enjoyed horrible things, but since it was a comedy, we laughed it off. Also, it wasn't the main focus. There has always been a stark contrast between the dark and "wrong" yet loving and supportive Addams family and the supposedly "normal" families that were "normal" to the point of creepiness and only cared about looking good in society's eyes, not about their children's well-being. That was the point of the Addams Family.
What I really thought was weird about Enid is... how are they gonna compare her mom forcing her to wolf out to conversion therapy... which is bad. But then her wolfing out is a big triumphant moment?? Like what's the analogy here. I don't get it. It feels like a weird writing decision.
@@user-fv5ol4or1b yes but then when her mom comes to visit and wants to send her to a camp where she's made to wolf out Enid literally calls it "werewolf conversion camp" or sth. I get the "Enid wants to do it on her own terms" thing, but I still feel like the message is a bit muddled with that comparison. It doesn't help when Enid also judgingly says her brothers/family have "toxic pack mentality" (or sth) bc they wolfed out. To me, all those comments make it kinda unclear wether wolfing out is supposed to be a liberating moment for her or not, on a general level. (I also thought her being a werewolf that couldn't wolf out could've been 1. A cool gimmick and 2. Another good message about being different/not fulfilling expectations, but my hopes are besides the point here)
i believe they were trying to queer-code her. netflix knows gay ships are profitable, so they tried hard to market the series as if enid and wednesday had a thing going on. they basically queerbaited and tiktok kids fell for it.
I think it was a bit of taking the black sheep of the family thing to the extreme...like as if everyone has always become doctors and Enid was on her way to become an artist. Like the mother needed her to follow in a avg/normal werewolf's footsteps. And since she wasn't on track the family was going to force it which is where the camp comes in to get the results that the family wanted for Enid instead of Enid being allowed to walk her own path. Our irl conversion therapy camps are insidious thinking they can change someone into what they're not but Enid's wolfing out camp version of such a thing was to bring out what Enid truly was..which is undesirable for Enid herself but yes not completely right to be compared although the writers rlly made it feel like it was a direct equivalent. As werewolves I can see why from Enid's perspective "pack mentality" is toxic since she is unable to fit in to that mold, especially given that she was put together with a gorgon instead of another wolf (like what..it also woulda been wild if her fling with the mayor's son had worked out🤡). The fact that she wolfed out (love how there was no explanation on the fact that it was during a blood moon of all things 😀) just seemed like a necessity for the plot since she was the only "monster" strong enough to fight Tyler's Hyde...cuz like Wed. was a goner for sure which tbh makes me think of the ppl that were/weren't killed off 🤔
NEW TIM BURTON DISEASE. it's literally the same as his alice in wonderland movie where alice defies the people in her world who are telling her what to do by going to wonderland and... doing what people tell her to do?? idk but it seems very similar to that lol
They should have sent pugsley along with her. The brother/sister dynamic was great and it could have replaced the dumb love triangle no one but tik tok girls cared about.
@@mmeada3654 i actually want eugene to be friend with pugsley if he stay at the school with her sister. Its just sad seeing him not having friends with the students in nevermore but instead with bees.
Honestly I expected a plot in wich Wednesday fought to prove that his father WAS in fact a murderer. I mean... "who do you think my father is? of course he stabbed that man!!!"
Seriously! I'd like the idea of them all being into the idea, with Gomez and Morticia thinking they actually did it, but get real disappointed when they find out he died of poison lol;
@@anerrorhasoccurred8727 OMG YES and then there's this big confusion on which actually did it because they both admit themselves but deny the other😭😭 Only to find out it was neither of them🤣
original wednesday would be delighted and proud her dad murdered for her mom. They would even bury people alive if they harmed the addams family, thats values. Her family is close knit and protect one another. Morticia would be proud her daughter was expelled for attempted murder. I don’t think people who watch wednesday only know this, this family unconventional and quite dark at times but also wholesome since they their love for one another was pure and protective. I suggest people watch the original work, wednesday almost burned a girl alive in a play at camp, she would not care to save anyone like that let alone some hyde killing students she doesnt even know.
I didn't watch much of it, but thought Wednesday seemed more of a snob than a weird girl, especially towards Enid. She was so rude to her for no reason. I thought Wednesday was supposed to be potentially homicidal, but not a jerk who hated on someone just because they like colors and have a different personality.
I never understood why Tyler or Xavier liked Wednesday. With Xavier I kinda came to the conclusion that his type was narcissistic women, because Bianca is sort of like that, but even so he seems to demand more respect for himself than what Wednesday ever gives him. And Tyler is just straight up insane. Plus i didn't really feel like Tyler and Wednesday had any chemistry. Tyler always looked confused or awkward and he was just so pushy about it. Either way I think we could've gone without the love story. Especially the part where it's reciprocated.
Like the only way I would get it is if they were actually into the creepy weird detached aspects of her, but they seemed hellbent on her being nice and lovey dovey with them, and it's like "What do you like about her then?? Like do is it just physical attraction??"
@@nicolegrant8101 Physicial attraction, being different and stooding up (can eloborate), initiating interaction and giving something to work on. Whether it is to dropping her off out of the town, casually approaching and joining on hobbies or starting to initiate dialogues with them. As a guy, it kinda blow my mind to find out the female demographic of the show somehow couldn’t make sense of Wednesday being attractive to her peers around. How oblivious are you all to the male sexuality? Not just that but also having no clue about being oblivious to the point of having strong opinions on the wrong direction.
@@koray6261 Her being physically attractive, and alluring bcs of her "mystery" is understandable, as well as her being cold to them if they're into that kinda thing; Guys aren't the only ones who like that.... The problem is, they don't seem that into her being cold to them, and insists that she has feelings for them too or she's "giving mixed signals", when she treats them with the same cold shoulder she does everyone else??? It's less about why they would find her attractive in general, but more so them demanding something different from her, when she's literally just their crush and not their girlfriend; They seem so entitled to her when she's not dating either of them... Also this isn't a male only thing, lots of girls do a similar thing, and it's just as weird and confusing; Like you can't get mad at someone for not "treating you right" when they never promised that to you. A character like Wednesday needs someone who's essentially simp who's not going to criticize and whine about her being mean to them every second...
What irked me about Weems is how she was actually completely unthreatening - when she told Wednesday she would never escape the therapist I was expecting to see some display of power or skill that would explain why she is the principal of this weird school, but she was just chatting away on the phone not even paying attention. Think about My Hero Academia: the principal is a mouse and gives the impression he isn't a threat, until you see him in action, then he becomes terrifying. They could have done so much more with her character, and they had a world-class actress on their hands.
Oh yeah, this was such a strange scene. All these adults who talk big and then the only thing she had to do was climbing out of a window and from a roof? My parents who had no interest in me where more observing of my teenager-ass than these people xD.
I thought it was entertaining, but just not very original. The whole "school for weird kids with superpowers" has already been done so many times. Harry Potter, Monster High, Umbrella Academy, The X-men, etc etc. And the the romance angle was tropey: even though Wednesday is not nice to people and doesn't even seem interested in romance, but she's the main character so of course every boy instantly falls in love with her.
LOL Falling in love with the main character, so true, and puts me in mind of the pitch meeting guy. This show reminded me of Legacy...whatever that spinnoff of the Originals is called. Bellatrix
Fun fact: In one of the older monster high books, humans are referred to as "normies", human school as opposed to, y'know, monster high, was referred to as "normie school". Might have been the first monster high book actually. Not sure, I remember reading it as a kid
Well, not every boy. Eugene is in LOVE with Enid for some reason and literally asks Wednesday to give Enid a bottle of honey as a romantic gesture(?). I don't understand why Xavier likes her anyway, and OMG the kissing scene 🤢
@@scalez3842 It's actually not even in the one of the books, that's how they speak about humans in all of the Monster High media (movies, animated series, books, etc.)! Honestly, when I watched the first episode and they introduced this "creepy" school with monsters calling human normies it reminded me about how much more enjoyable rewatching the old MH movies would be instead of this show hahaha!
As someone from the fanfiction community, I can confirm this. But man, there are so many better written fanfictions on the internet than whatever this show did.
@@SpikedMeal Actually, all of the Addams Family fanfiction I liked did what people are complaining about here: Addams weirdness in general and Wednesday’s darker traits toned down and her actually having romantic relationships.
Indeed many people have better perception of what Addams family is furthermore create competent story that suits characters and potential work on their relationships/character development
So Wednesday is not like other girls, so she's put in the Monster High for "not-like-others" people. But guess what! She has to be different and quirky here as well! And how is this possible that amongst sirens vampires and werewolves (btw the monster selection is so original) it's of course Wednesday that makes all those people talk about her and call her weird?? This makes no sense!
My biggest gripe is that, to me, there's no reason for this show to be an Addams family show. There's not enough of a connection to justify it - take away the fact that she's from the Addams family and is just some goth girl with magic powers and nothing changes. It feels like someone had an idea for a fantasy mystery and they slapped the Addams Family stuff into it for marketing. EDIT: ah I'm at the part if the video where you mention that lol
seriously this. theyre only using the addams family name bcs of the fame it had on the last decade and they know how it would excite the fans knowing there would be a remake. they seriously ruined the whole vibe of the addams family and the fact most ppl watching it are comparing it to the classics and saying its a perfect remake is so insulting to the classic addams family movies.
@@LEMOnBRaINnThat’s what I’m saying. At what arbitrary line are we supposed to divide creative implementations from adherence to the original? I think everyone needs to chill tbh
@@en5703 yeah why would you want to see the same adams family story for the 100th time just in tv show form there’s a reason why the animated one flopped and this didn’t is because it tried something new with the characters
I think I would be down for a love triangle *if* the love triangle trope was subverted. Like for example : The 2 people chasing the third person fell in love with each other instead.
Wednesday stares The guy: "YOU'RE SENDING MIXED MESSAGES" The poor romance made the show into a comedy. Aroace Wednesday is a total icon. Jenna didn't want a romance so the bad chemistry is hilarious Let's stop calling them love triangles when they aren't equal between all three characters. Two boys bothering a girl is a love corner
23:18 Right at the start Wednesday goes like "oh noo it would suck to have attempted murder on the record, everyone would know I didn't finish the job" and then she got all upset about Gomez maybe killing someone I was like? What?
She was inconsistent about that, mad that her dad might of murdered someone but went around stating how obsessed she is with stabbing, murder, and shooting live targets. Also she was very protective of outcasts but when she found out what Tyler did to Xavier’s art mural she tells him, I would have done worst???
The movies were just so iconic that I thought the writers would atleast take notes from it. The light focusing on Morticia's eyes, the brother/sister dynamic between Wednesday and Pugsley, and notice how there were almost no fights between the family since they're so understanding of each other. Like Morticia literally finds out her two children is trying to kill their baby brother but she just assured them that no one was getting replaced. Where was that family dynamic in the series? The love interests are killing me too. There was little to no chemistry and both boys are too dramatic for my liking. I thought we would get someone like Joel from Addams Family Values. Devoted, has the same interests, and doesn't mind that Wednesday is too detached from everyone else. I remember there was a scene in the movie where Joel was showing the siblings his murderer card collection.
THIS! Finally someone brought up Joel! Their dynamics was something and it worked! And when he dressed up as Gomez at Halloween? ICONIC They could've written someone like him or even made Wednesday heads over heel like in the play but no, they want another love triangle that makes zero sense.
Omg I miss Joel SO MUCH 😭, I was hopelessly wishing that he somehow appeared at some point but then again, I don't want them to mess him up too so there's that
I think it would have been better if Wednesdays' struggle with Nevermore should have been that she's normal in the context of a spooky monster school. Like, she tries to scare away fellow students away by discussing her macabre hobbies, and is utterly unprepared when they reveal that they share those hobbies and are excited to talk with her about them. That would have made things much funnier and also more emotionally resonant. I know I have struggled making friends as a teenager even when I shared interests with people. Also the main reason that the love interests do not work in this show is that they are not camp enough. I can't imagine them having funny interacts with the rest of the Addams family which means that it's obvious to me that they don't stand a chance of dating Wednesday. Xavier should have been more of a peacock and a drama queen, have him be a tortured artist who monologues about either his genius or worthlessness depending on the mood. Which would make him funny in contrast with Wednesday's deadpan personality. I would also have Wednesday give brutal but constructive criticisms to his artwork, and have him spend a large part of the series trying to create a work that fits her exacting standards. The reason Xavier would be attracted to Wednesday is that she challenges him to do better, and the reason why Wednesday would be attracted to Xavier is that he's really fun to torment (and coincidentally appreciates being tormented). Tyler should have had more Connecticut Clark energy. He should have seemingly been the most "normal normie" out there, almost uncomfortably plain and normal. This would thematically play very well with him being a Hyde because the original Jekyll and Hyde is a story about a man denying all the gross and uncomfortable parts of himself and hiding behind the mask of respectability. Wednesday would be interested in dating partially to Not Be Like Her Mom, as she sees Xavier as too similar to her Father. Writing Tyler in a way that he has chemistry with Wednesday beyond saying "do the Connecticut Clark meme" is actually hard, I'm drawing a blank on what the emotional draw of the pairing would be as a potential relationship.
I think it would be neat to rework Tyler into a (supposedly) sincere and earnest and open character, not to the extent of Enid but still contrasting with Wednesday's more private nature. I think the writers wanted a "bad boy"/"boy next door" type love triangle but it never really hit, and I think pushing Tyler's more good traits would make the Hyde arc hit harder as well.
I don't really agree with your first paragraph or point. I don't think she would care if they shared the same interest. It would still be a school that's the norm. I don't think this would be a good idea at all. But I do see some potential
the whole pilgrim world plot was wild because why would a black man willingly run that😭 also the plot hole of the pilgrim hating outcasts but then being brought back by witchcraft and then having powers 😭 like what were they thinking when they wrote that
And about the witchcraft, some people hate the same thing they represent or are ready to use methods of a group they are fighting against for "greater good".
I'm tired of her repeating at every occasion she's not "like the other girl".... Common we get it now. How come the other Wednesday never had to explain us that they were different but this one cannot shut up about that... More she explained it less I believe her.🤡
I can’t say that she’s a bad actor bc that would be lying but I can’t stand the way she talks in this show. My bf and I were going crazy bc how annoying she was. We were also surprised at how she had any friends w the way she treated ppl. No one irl would’ve given her the time of day acting like that
@@Samantha-vj4sd Uhh this is NOT rl and it is a school for `outcasts`. Definitely a bad take going in on Ortega of ALL people in this show, definitely a shit take
i'm mad at how much they changed the family dynamic in the new show. the addams family used to be weird and strange, but they were a very happy family. now they're still weird, but also broken. they've changed the happy family dynamic to an end goal rather than where the story starts. as a kid i loved how Gomez and Morticia were so supportive of their kids no matter what. That's not there any more :/
I hated the love triangle. The love angle in general. Episode 1 they establish that she is a sociopath with little remorse for violence, yet somehow all these dudes are fawning over her, even though she treats them like trash? Then the whole Scooby-Doo type mystery. Like, it she was a sociopath, why would she care about this murderous monster. It's like they couldn't decide who they wanted Wednesday to be
There is nothing strange about dudes being attracted to her. I wouldn't be surprised if they low-key like it when she insults them. She cares because it somehow involves her (the prophecy) and also because the perpetrator always appears to be 1 step ahead of her and she can't have that.
I think they literally couldn't decide on who Wednesday should be because there are reports that Tim Burton wasn't the only director and that the other directors were pushing Jenna to do things with Wednesday's character that veered from the intent that maybe Tim wanted or at least that Jenna saw would work for Wednesday. If it were up to Jenna there wouldn't have been the love triangle as she states she could do without it in interviews.
@don't mind me That's an interesting point! I did see the interview where she didn't want to do the love triangle, so at least it's not just us that hated it lol
my biggest issue is with the fact that wednesday, regardless of where she is, is treated like she's the weirdest one there. This show would've done AMAZINGLY if they just set it at a normal boarding school, especially since the other characters' weirdness barely contributes to the storyline and two 'normies' end up being the antagonists.
Agreed, the whole Monster High esque school and plotline didn't really work that well as a whole. I was really hoping it was gonna be a more slice of life mystery show with Wednesday being surrounded by regular people.
It makes no sense for Wednesday to even be the weird one in a school full of magical creatures. And how is she the most homicidal one in a school full of magical creatures? And not cute fairies but vampires, werewolves, and gorgons, sirens, and witches? Creatures known for attacking, turning, and feeding off of humans? Why did the thought of torture and fake blood freak out these monsters? Makes no sense.
@@chrazzl EXACTLY! When the dude attacked the school it upset me so much seeing all of the students run away like bro gorgons attend the school and they could’ve easily turned him into stone. It was so weird seeing all of them run away rather than fight considering they are mythological creatures who posses powerful abilities.
What was annoying was when she cared about her father being a murderer, found out the truth and said "I knew you didn't have what it takes to be a murderer" and he replied with "As much as that stings thank you" something like that IMPLYING that she wished he could have been one and he was embarrased to not be one as if she wasn't JUST trying to hold him accountable for it. It's so ridiculous because not only would the original addams family not care about that but she literally attempted murder at the beginning of the series as well.
i think the writers interpretation of it was more that Wednesday is upset about not knowing the truth but then again, i don't think the original Addam's family would have ever gotten to such a point? They were such an open/great family in prior adaptations and hiding something like a murder or attempted murder would just not fit into that, especially with how amazed Wednesday is about this topic I feel like the writers really just didn't care about the fundamental research and just put the "quirky" one liners and references about the Addam's family into a normal teen show
@@doyoufeardeath666 Because he gets out of prison. In Wednesday they were talking about how Gomez wouldn't survive away from Morticia that long in jail. Goes back to the family ties thing. They don't want their Dad locked away from the rest of them and getting him back was a happy moment.
I like Wednesday in moderation, which is why I liked Christina Ricci's Wednesday because she was a side character. Having her as the main character of an entire series felt overwhelming because honestly she's a very mean person and her constant snarky one-liners, while being true to her character, do become exhausting. And her meanness occasionally reminds me of some of the most arrogant and toxic people I've met so sometimes it's hard to root for her because I feel like I'm rooting for those people who made moments of my life miserable. Worse, I don't like that some of the people around me are trying to copy her attitude as if being mean is cool now. Wednesday has great qualities but it's sad that there are people who think her rudeness or meanness are the most aspirational.
The show felt like a y/n wattpad story. Ofc Wednesday is supposed to be different, so I would expect these actions from her. However, the plot that surrounds Wednesday makes it feel like a y/n story. The unnecessary love triangle(which I believe Jenna herself said she didn’t like or something along those lines), the upbeat best friend that explains what the setting/event is to the main character(which is a way to explain the meaning of what happens in the plot to the audience), the classic party that happens every.single. Time. The “mean” popular girl that actually has something going on behind the scenes. Bringing it back to the boys, they really didn’t add anything to the story. If they were more interesting instead of being in a one sided love story and suspects to the mystery, maybe I would have wanted them more in the story.
gonna be real with you but even y/n stories can create a better love corners (i refuse to say love triangle when talking abt this shit) than the one presented LMAOO there was literally ZERO chemistry between all of the characters, which makes me wonder how fun it wouldve been if this was a clever setup for a canon aroace wednesday (even though the reasons for why it exists, considering how wednesday treated these guys, is still kind of. yknow.. bad)... oh well. a man can dream
i swear a het norm twelve year old who actually hates alt and goth people wrote this nonsense. Jenna is proof that good actors can make bad writing seem better
@@Liuxingjohnston that is so accurate!!! they really did just miss the funny "my name is Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way and i look like Amy Lee from Evanescence and no i am not related to Gerad Way"
what i hated was how the boys expected wednesday to fall in love with them because they were in love with her, wednesday clearly was not interested in either
She has so much more chemistry with Enid. She has none with Xavier or the cafe guy. When other characters would comment on the chemist between them, like? Where?
@@Exalted_in_Venusshe had no chemistry with Enid that was more of a friendship. If you mean romantically Enid already has a crush. I don’t think Wednesday will like anyone until maybe she’s in her 20s because she focused on mystery and her power
@@hihowareya6840 you can have chemistry with a friendship too. It doesn't always mean romantically. If anything I feel like this version of Wednesday might be leaning more towards asexual/aromantic.
I was honestly so disappointed I when Wednesday was sent to a "boarding school for outcasts". As you said, the main schtick of the Addams family is the contrast between their morbid nature and "normal" society so I had been really excited to see a show fucosed on Wednesday in a "normal" high school/boarding school 😢 If they really had to do that, they could've at least gone all the way with it instead of making a half-assed "gothic" high school setting that didn't really go anywhere.
I'm so happy you brought up Wednesday's one-liners!!! They started to get annoying really fast and just felt like quirky "lol I hate people" quotes you'd find on pinterest. They're fine on their own, but that seemed like Wednesday's only source of comedy. I wanted to see her do something physically comedic and morbid like in the movies
Also a big disappointment for me that there is no black comedy in show, I thought they’ll kill people for fun, torture them, classic Addams stuff etc, the only comedy here is Wednesday’s one liners :(
yeah honestly it makes actual loners and anti social people look emo. even tho having company around can make them feel uncomfortable now they're gonna be the sad gothic kid
Exactly! It's like they started with the aim of having these one liners go viral, and then came up with them from that instead of having good writing and just happening to go viral
I was confused when Wednesday is investigating the murders instead of committing them...😓 If they wanted a teen investigating murder show with Wednesday, They should've had us follow someone investigating Wednesday's murders or something.
she started to investigate the murders because she wanted to know why she was in rowan's drawing, why he tried to kill her and why the hyde spared her life.
@@johaseul4538 I thought when Wednesday would see the drawing she would be like “Nice” or something. Considering it’s a drawing with her causing destruction. To me it doesn’t make sense that she wants to stop it like every average protagonist, because it’s Wednesday. Anyway that’s my opinion.
@@notyetawomen5257 EXACTLY, from the beginning we were shown that she loved chaos, so why did it bother her so much that she was the cause of the destruction of Nevermore? Plus at the time she still hated that place.
My issues with the show: 1- Addams Family is filled with strange people. Type of people that society never accepts. But their family dinamic is what should society obey. They love every member of family they are respectful. They always support their children and never forces them to do things they dont want to. So originally Morticia would be like "So my daughter doesnt wants to go to school. Its ok she can get education at home." For example in The Addams Family Values childrens wants to go to the summer camp. Gomez and Morticia finds it weird but they let them go. But in this adaptation relationship between Morticia and Wednesday is terribly written. 2- They made my boi Pugsley dirty. He isnt a poor boy who gets bullied. Cant live without his protective big sissy. NO! THATS NOT PUGSLEY! Pugsley is an Addams too. He is as cruel as rest of the family. Also he lives under same roof with Wednesday. Ten times worse than bullies. So he should know how to escape from a locker. Before Wednesday put piranas in pool he would bomb the bullies. 3- Love Triangle. No need to talk about it. İt was unnecesarry. 4- Why Addams Family feels guilty for killing a person? Killing is their normal. 5- Poor CGI. Everytime monster appears i laughed like "look at this dude" man. İs this supposed to be scary. Like monster chokes Wednesday and i laugh like tomorrow doesnt exists. Although series has a lot of issues i still like show. Cuz we got Enid, Bianca(i love her so much i can write an essay about her), Marilyn(Christina Ricci) and a lot of Addams Family and Literature references(Jekyll was my first literature crush) you can feel amount of the effort they put in this show. Also aesthetic is fascinating. Sorry for my bad english
I found the monster scary. Your level of fear isn't everyone's level of fear - this show is ultimately for teenagers. It's like 12 rated? It's not surprising that a bunch of adults don't like this - it's not for them and it's not going to be the same thing they remember watching as kids.
@@yiyangremus well thats your opinion. To me monster was funny as hell. He looks like zombies from plants vs zombies. Btw 12 is the age which becoming teenager starts. A person becomes a compelete teenage around 14-17. Age spectrum of the show isnt as small as you think. Sorry for my bad english
I feel like in the original movie the key joke was that despite being so strange and having issues socializing with ordinary people, the Addams family did not have ANY family problems that normal families have. they love each other unconditionally. and in the Wednesday series, they portray these mother-daughter problems which just seem so untrue and made up when we compare them to the original plot. this ✨key joke✨ is not there and for me the huge reason why i miss the real addams family spirit... i mean - i don't even think morticia would force wednesday to go to that school against her will. so out of character
I completely agree about the show being meh. The plot and subplots were so lazy, and the love triangle was unbelievable because there was literally no chemistry! The boys basically fell over themselves for Wednesday after she was rude and condescending to them. Repeatedly. It brings to mind the messaging that boys should keep pursuing girls even though they've never shown interest or reciprocated affections -- something I thought we left in the 90's and 00's. It was very icky to watch.
to be fair I think it would be swell if the boys fell for nothing in love with her if it felt more aware on how absolutely ridiculous it was, and Wednesday herself being more clearly thinking the whole situation absurd. But it lacked in that department and I felt like the writers seriously thought this could be taken seriously by people older than 12.
About the romance, my friend and I came to the conclusion that both Xavier and Tyler are masochistic and actually want Wednesday to put them down, that is the only way it makes sense that they like her 😂
no because that’s exactly the conclusion my mom and i came to lol like it’s so ridiculous how wednesday is totally indifferent about them and at times outright ruthless, and yet they are like “oh she want me fr“?? come on guys just say u wanna be dommed 😪
kinda, they both had abandonment issues due to their parents, and just decided that wednesday was the girl they latch on to. but in all fairness, i believe wednesday did show interest in tyler towards the end before he was revealed as the monster.
it felt like a bunch of tik tok moments stuck together for the sake of being viral, im glad to finally find people disliking it like i did. my whole theory was people probably just saw the fun tidbits of it on tiktok or reels etc and never watched the whole series because i cant fathom how anyone would like it as much as the reaction ive seen. i found it meh at best... the actors really did their best for a plot thats as thin as cheesecloth
Referring to what was said at 22:57...Personally as a black girl, it was really nice to just watch a piece of media (especially fantasy) that doesn't talk about racism specifically to black people. Not to say it's not important or that it doesn't deserve any acknowledgement, but I'm just so tired of watching tv to take a break from the racism I see everyday and then seeing it on my screen as well when it doesn't need to apply. However, I do think it's a decent concept that deserved some consideration. And I feel that the mention of the colonization of indigenous peoples is necessary for Wednesday and her character.
i agree, there are already so many movies & shows that are based around or have scenes involving police brutality, slavery, etc & it just gets exhausting & depressing. like gosh WE KNOW, let us have a show without any references to racism. i think those topics should be left to documentaries, adult movies & the like, not teen fantasy media
I agree. It always seems so forced in tv shows/movies, too. Like no one is having a nice day out at a Starbucks when all of a sudden, the POC character bursts out into song or whatever about racism. Yes, conversations need to happen, but POC people exist outside of racism. Maybe it's not an apt comparison, but I'm sick of so many shows having the sexism talk. There's a time and place for these things.
@@rosebudkiss"we shouldn't have racism in shows because it makes me sad" is such a lame take. Wednesday is literally about a school for marginalised people. You just want themes about marginalization to be superficial to make yourself feel better And a lot of people clearly don't know about it, if racism still exists today
I don't think this show did it in a good way tbh. It took the colorblind approach and just didn't acknowledge any of the characters races at all while having the show be about marginalised people and also having minor themes of social justice. I specifically remember a scene where Morticia tells the mayor, a black man, that he doesn't know what it feels like the not be believed, when historically this did and does happen to black people. A lot of the reason Dahamer killed as many people as he did is because the authorities didn't believe the people of colour that reported him.
totally disappointed that they missed the joke of the originals that they’re this super “weird” family and part of that is how loving and caring their family is and then, as you said, wednesday despises her mother especially and follows the trope of a stereotypical child-parent dynamic. would’ve been so much funnier if enid would go on about her family struggles n when Wednesday was asked about hers was like “oh my family is great”
I think that Wednesday having troubles with Morticia was so stupid because 1) of the whole "the Addams are the reverse of normal families which hate each other" thing you said and 2) IT DIDNT MAKE ANY SENSE! Because Wednesday was constanly "Mother youre trying to turn me into you" or "My parents sent Thing to spy on me" when Morticia never intended any of that. Like if they wanted to have her turn Wednesday in a version of her they should have shown her how for example, she makes Wednesday sign up for the fencing club (in the show she was more like "hey there's this fencing club I used to be a part of, how cool" and not "Wednesday you must be a team captain") and it didn't feel like Wednesday was living in her parents shadows because literally no one referenced them because only the principal knows them and she doesn't care if Wednesday is in their shadow. So the whole conflict was so pointless. They literally made Morticia look up for her daughter and Wednesday having teen angst or whatever, which is not the point of the Addams family.
let's go even further: wednesday doesn't explicitly say that her family's great because they're what sets her standard so it's just "fine and normal". but enid's definiton of normal is the typical teenage angst rebelling against the parents etc so for a moment she goes, "so you understand, right?!" and that's when wednesday drops the, "no. when you tried to sneak out at midnight you struggle to find the keys your parents hid and they scold you when they figured out what you're trying to do. when i try to sneak out it's a battle of wits and deadly traps between my family and i where in the end the keys are presented in a prize box. i nearly got my head cut off one time. (pause) my brother learnt everything from me, but he's not as good. yet."
I really wish Wednesday had been portrayed as aromantic/asexual in this adaptation. the love triangle plot was extremely stupid and I think it makes sense for how her character has been portrayed if she didn't have any romantic interest in anybody. teen shows seem to have this need to show romantic subplots and I find it somewhat exhausting as an aspec teen.
Agreee Especially when it gave nth to the story She didn’t seem that bothered when she knew the truth lol Why add that subplot if ur not gonna have the character have a real reaction to it
As a fan of the '64 show, I agree that it was a little too clean cut, but it held a power that recent versions seem to miss: The Addams family are actively trying to be good people in their own way! There's an episode where a couple robbers start looting the house and Gomez, ever the host, offers them more. Or when the new neighbors are scared of them ad claim they have to move for work, so Gomez buys the company so they can stay. Even the way they get a psychiatrist for Pugsley instead of blaming him. They're always talking about being tolerant of their "Strange" (aka conformist) neighbors, and trying to understand their lifestyles
Can't agree with you more! What vowed me about this series was how much they adored, supported and respected each other, and how welcoming they were to people. And yes, the episode with Pugsley going all boy scout illustrated so well how much Gomez and Morticia were willing to work to accept their children and make them comfortable. I wish more shows had similar family dynamics!
I think their charm was always to be extremely well functioning family but in the weirdest of ways and with a dark twist. I was baffled when in the series Wednesday was so upset about a serial murderer monster, like shouldn't that be her absolute favourite thing? Didn't she legit attempt a murder in the very first episode?
my issue was that every issue she was faced with got solved SO quickly. she’s kidnapped? oh don’t worry, she’s so much better than everyone else that she’s already broken out of the handcuffs. And they try to add an obstacle with a school lockdown but it doesn’t EVEN matter!!!
Yeah the Addams family thrives the most when contrasted to regular suburbia, I think the story would've been more interesting and memorable in a regular school and have outcasts be less of a collective and more like rogue individuals that inhabit the world. Plus the love triangle really didn't make any sense, mostly because there was zero reason for Xavier to like her and even less reason for Wednesday to like him. He seemed so entitled to her so quickly out of nowhere, it was weird. I also thought Wednesday would be more into Tyler after finding out he was the monster, it'd make more sense for Wednesday as an Addams, unless they made it a matter of her pride but it seeemed more like a morality thing anything else. But the show isn't necessarily bad, just could've used less cliches.
"You're sending me mixed messages!" So true to reality. She's been very upfront about most things that her goal is to solve the mystery and she never flirted or did anything to lead them on, yet here they are complaining like it's her problem or fault.
I just wish they'd kept her genuinely not interested in either boy and called them out on seeing signals that were never there. She never feels like she likes either of them until towards the end where there's a hint of feeling something with Tyler
One issue I had w the series was the incredibly strange choice to send Wednesday to therapy. In the real world therapy is great and often necessary, but if you send Wednesday Addams to therapy, you’re telling the audience that there is a distinct possibility that her unique behavior and mannerisms are a result of serious mental illness and trauma. And then suddenly the whole concept starts to fall apart. Her spookiness is no longer fun or quirky if it’s something that is making her life miserable.
The thing that really frustrated me about the therapy bit was that it wasn't well handled at all. The therapist is completely undermined by the writing and is not a good representative of what therapists should be. I would love for her therapy sessions to have been more effective to the character arcs and plot. I also would ABSOLUTELY adore if Wednesday was open to therapy as a whole
@@srtatropicalia i totally agree, I think there’s a possible world where Wednesday goes to therapy, but in my opinion if she does it needs to serve as a way for her to ACCEPT her spookiness, not to confront it. The show itself tells us in no uncertain terms that the spookiness is a stand-in for marginalization. Having her therapist also challenge her quirks in the way a therapist would challenge symptoms of trauma feels like burton trying to have his allegorical cake and eat it too.
If the therapy bit was for Wedneday to say disturbing things and and scare her therapist it would be funny, but the show clearly didn't intend to be that
I think the name 'Goody' was supposed to be a reference to Goody Osborne, AKA Sarah Osborne, one of the victims of the Salem Witch Trials. I understand the historical pet peeve tho! Family probably wouldn't refer to their own ancestor as 'Goody'. Loved your analysis.
Haha! Yes, this was one of my biggest pet peeves with the show - using ‘Goody’ as a first name for the character, when it was actually used as a title to address a woman at the time. It’s the equivalent of giving a character the first name ‘Mrs’. It felt like the writers did no research on the time period before settling on the name.
The series absolutely destroyed me because as someone currently around Wednesday's age, the fact that she could act like that and everyone still comes back to her and loves her astounded me. I know that if I acted like that, no one would want to help me and that if they made the mistake of doing so, they'd never come back. But no matter how much she hurts them, everyone always comes back to her and showers her with love and glorifies her extensively. Every time I finish a new episode I see it, and it hurts because I know that even though I find some of myself in her, that I could never be appreciated the way she is for doing less than the bare minimum.
Its because she’s pretty. Pugsley couldn’t get away acting like that and the authors knew it and made him a stereotypical fat bullied kid even though he was just as sadistic in the movies (yall remember when his hobby was causing car accidents by stealing traffic signs?)
It's just an obnoxiously painfully written character. Of course most normal people wouldn't put up with that shit and that's good, because abusive behaviour isn't exactly cool.
Something that always bugs me is how cringy the bullies bully like... life isn't a Disney Show. Makes me wonder if the scriptwriters ever been to school lmao And the whole "or are you just loco?" "bullying" reminded me of "Bella! Where have you been, Loca?" girl, I was wheezing! 💀
Right. If the bullying were kept more realistic it could be darker, maybe fitting better with the vibe of the show. But then those characters couldn't get any redemption since we'd already dislike them for being cruel. They probably needed to keep it light enough for that reason
My biggest issue was, like you said, a school full of sorta normal monsters. They spent so much time with them all looking a Wednesday like "Why she so spooky". My husband laughed when i said it was "unrealisitic". But as a card carrying spooky myself, the fact that they made a point to make her the uber weirdo at the boarding school full of outcasts just made me meh about the whole thing.
something that bothered me a lot is that her peers at nevermore thought she was a freak etc. (or at first at least) when you’d think bc they’re all monsters and whatever they wouldn’t be bothered by that it just confused me a little
I feel like it's a decent teen show, but it shouldn't have been named after Wednesday or have anything in common with the Addams family. It should've have been an unique mistery-teen show, but probably they knew it wouldn't have gotten so much attention that way. I think they had the idea of the show, scripted it, put some references about the Addams and call it a day.
What happens is that if they didn't add the Addams Family in the middle, the series wouldn't have had half the audience it had. What really sells here is that it's Wednesday from the Addams Family. So I understand why they did it, even if I don't share it.
Its even worse that now the show is viral and even surpass stranger things’ ratings. I find it really forgettable and wish it never exist but now many ppl will remember the addams family as they r portrayed in this netflix version. I can only hope that ppl will watch the cartoon, the 90s and other versions of the addams family and realize how great they actually r and the differences between the netflix one and the og.
This sould have been called "Nevermore Academy", a light teen supernatural show, not too deep but entertaining. And it looks very pretty! They all feel like playing outcast dress-up rather than being it. It's a shame it's tied to the Addams both because they don't have the same values (they welcomed everyone, never truly seeing others as outcasts, just different; supportive, smart, empathetic) and because these 2022 characters are now limited by their legacy. Loved the cast, not the characters.
I am SO glad that you did this video! At least now I know that I'm not the only one who didn't like the new show. The only good thing in Wednesday was Jenna Ortega :// I think Wednesday Addams wouldn't solve all these murders and she probably wouldn't care about the boys. If they want to put love interest they need to base it on Joel from Addams Family Values (1993), but instead they did this love triangle that doesn't even make sense. I'm very disappointed in Addams Family representation, they also missed the whole point that Gomez and Morticia are good parents, they love their children and really care about them. Netflix ruined Morticia and added "family issues" just for money. The only "Addams" in this show was just the main character's surname. :/
You’re so right about them not leaning into the marginalization element enough. A lot of shows nowadays attempt to comment on discrimination but don’t commit. I wish we saw more of the Wednesday who was speaking truth about white-washing to the tourists. She’s super intelligent and it could have been a great opportunity to explore the experiences of Bianca vs. Enid vs. Wednesday. One of the most iconic Wednesday moments is in Addams Family Values where she disrupts the Thanksgiving play and turns it into a lesson on the oppression of Indigenous peoples (and gets the other campers to help her)
Yes they didn't really commit to it and it shows in things like how Morticia said "a man LIKE YOU doesn't know what it is to not be believed", and she said that to a black man, that didn't make sense at all, it seems like they just had in the script and blind cast the actor
@@punkithecatthat was such a weird moment. Black men were literally murdered because of people lying about them, if anything he should’ve had some actual sympathy for the outcasts. But they made him only care about money and his reputation. How is that coherent with the anti-colonialist and anti-marginalization themes?
Thank you for critiquing Wednesdays wardrobe because I was bothered by how modernised/trendy her wardrobe looked cause I thought of Wednesday as somebody who wouldn’t care about trends due to her non con formative character
3:08 Okay but Chaz was ICONIC for using an embalming table as a coffee table, what an absolute creature of a man, truly an inspiration for us all (it's me, i'm Us All)
no i agree mina, say more. i think the parents in the beginning gave away what it was going to be like. in the original movie, the parents were dark and goth but in my opinion they weren't reduced to 'dark stuff is cool and pink is boring' but they actually embodied a set of values and outlook on life
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sheeeesh....
Thank you for your content but as Wednesday said in this great series “I’m not interested in participating in tribal adolescent clichés.” hahahaha.
Wont kill you. ; ) I agree. "Adult Wednesday Addams" HERE, was better (and with lesser means too), because it had the right mood. Melissa Hunter did a good job on that one. "Sketch wednesday" is great!
not the casetify rip off...
Hi Mina!!!
Something that was really annoying me was that Wednesday made it perfectly clear since day 1 that she is a violent and anti-social person but her classmates keep acting shocked when she treats them like garbage or will resort to violence first
The audience acts shock as well.
it just makes no sense to try to stick Wednesday's character into typical TV drama tropes like that because she doesn't have a traditional moral compass nor does she experience or express emotions in a typical way. So there's this really weird dissonance between what her character is set up to be (violent, anti-social, apathetic) and what the writers are trying to make her character do (be a chosen one, compete with other students socially, take part in a traditional romance and friendship). it's like the writers don't know what do with her because they don't know how to drive the plot forward in a way that leans in to and highlights Wednesday's personality, it's just kind of a quirk that's there but doesn't seem to effect anything.
yeah wednesday literally warns them too and ppl act shocked she does what she warned them about?
@666 It makes complete sense and is totally the point. It's the Addams Family in a world of normal people. Well, the main focus is on Wednesday. Even though Wednesday is in a school filled with outcasts and weirdos, she remains uncanny towards her peers. Wednesday deliberately makes fun of shows like Riverdale. The love triangle is a gag in the show. If there is going to be a romance, it will be with Eugene.
@@martialspiritwarrior i dunno, i think they play it way too straight for me to believe that this show is meant to satirize teen dramas. if that's what they're going for they did a bad job lmao. shame bc a satire would actually be a really interesting use of Wednesday's character imo
this show fell into the trap of “teenager must hate their parents because they're teenagers” trope. i’m not an addams family fan but I can tell that one of the things that people love about this franchise is just how much the family loves one another. they love each other’s spookiness and darkness and support each other even when everyone else ostracizes them. i just didn’t like wednesday becoming essentially a pretentious brat who doesn’t like people (I do think she becomes less pretentious as the episodes go on, though). it was too generic and obvious of a path to take with her character. it’s like “girl dark, girl like death. girl don’t like people.”
Agreed. As a teenager I adore my parents, they’re the most supportive and caring people in my life. Wednesday was a total jerk to her parents.
Exactly. The rebellious teen is a trope that can be found in so many plots. The Addams' dedication to each other, presented as a fierce united front against conformity as opposed to the hokey, aw-shucks version of the "nuclear family", is what makes them unique in culture.
Exactly! They showed so much love and support for each other. Well, except when Pupert was born but still 😆. When I saw they were going that route I stopped watching.
@@brittianyhightower1696Actually they still loved their brother. When Debbie called him a brat, Wednesday stuck up for him. And in the end the baby saved everyone. You must remember, torturing each other is still just another way they express love to each other. Wednesday literally electrocuted her brother. And Fester once opened up Gomez head.
I like Wednesday not loving people (or not showing affection to the few she loves) but I mean other people than her family. The persons she really loves is indeed her family. She will remain less affectionate (I did like that hug in the show where the family all hold each other, she comes to them but her arms remain down but we know she cares since she came) but we know she would do anything for them, not get in a angsty fight with her mother. I tried to put this on adolescence but it is still weird since her parents are normally always very supportive and loving of their children. I didn't get Morticia being angry at her daughter. Morticia and Gomez are dark but also innocent, they love everybody. Wednesday is a bit different and darker, she indeed probably would not want to have a love story like her mother but would not be angry at her for anything.
Wednesday's biggest problem is that it leans into modern tropes instead of subverting them. It should have gone, "Your father's a murderer!" "I know. They tell that story at every family gathering."
literallyy you can't tell me that gomez and morticia wouldn't be constantly referring to that like that would be such a romantic(?) moment for them
Yes, thank you!!
Haha exactly! The writers seem to not love the Addams family
one of the first things they say is how embarrassing it is she could be charged with attempted murder because it shows she failed to kill the kids with piranhas, and then suddenly they’re all upset and hiding that the family killed a teen in defense? weirdo dialogue. it’s like they forgot what they wrote, and what they wrote about.
@@juiced4608yeeep that’s how i felt as well!!
They destroyed the original Addams values. One of the main thing about the characters is they’re not judgmental. You can be pastel dolled up lolita nd they’ll be like “ok you’re weird but you do you”. But in Wednesday she’s super judgmental nd she’s always casting this “im superior than you alll peasants” aura. Was pretty annoying.
She’s the “I’m not like other girls” cranked up to 100
That was the MOST annoying aspect of the whole series. The heroine did not win my respect
as a teenager myself, it really bugged me that they referenced tiktok and other social media so much. I get that they were trying to make it seem ‘in touch’ with teens, but that’s going to become outdated really quickly.
@Halloween All Year Round The blog stuff isn’t even a thing anymore 😭😭
@@Sarawarawara- maybe she’s just a tumblr girl lol
@@micah_reads there is no tumblr anymore😭
It is supposed to be outdated/in tune with this current era. What if I wanted to look back at the past, then this Wednesday adaptation (2022) would take me back. The old movies are outdated, reminisces of the early 90s.
@@Ala100zpanfuthere still is tumblr!? Or did I miss something 😅😅
I find it weird how Wednesday would look down upon Gomez because of a possibility of him committing murder, when in fact she should've been excited or proud of him since they are The Addams family, we are talking about Wednesday a girl who would roleplay decapitation with dolls and even try to kill her infant brother along with Pugsley.
she tried to murder a bully so she shouldnt have been the one swayed by murder
@@cemreilgaz4643 exactly doesnt make sense
It's really more about Gomez's hypocrisy; sending her to a boarding school for nearly killing someone, while hiding the fact that he had previously been charged with murder in the first degree. He was acquitted because of the coverup, but it wasn't until the exhumation that they had solid proof of their innocence. The public had wanted justice for the death and he had no proof that it was in self-defense. Given the chance to confront him, after he had confessed to it, would (in Wednesday's eyes) either solidify him as a hypocrite, or as a lying coward (which she suspected to be true.) In the end he was lying, but for good reason.
Didn't she smile when she heard he had killed someone?
Doesn't she say she loves stabbing in the trailer - did the writers forget about that lol
I feel like not only they seemed afraid of making the show more campy, it feels like they were afraid of making it more macabre and sinister, like, Wednesday tortures her own brother for fuck's sake, why not show her being weird and borderline scary like in other adaptations? Netflix's Wednesday gives me Jughead's "I'm a weirdo" monologue from Riverdale vibes and it sucks
This!! The original movies were so macabre in such a creative way that always felt fresh, and never something that you had seen elsewhere. But with this tv show we got nothing of that
It’s a pg13 show… for teens..
are u kiddding? this series alone was so much more dark then any of the other movies, like ive never seen so much blood in a 12 plus show before, but then again, the addams family was light satire while this was just more begginers thriller
@@serenitysubs933 how was it darker??
@@LieutenantAnna123 the 90s movies were also pg13 and yet they managed to make it dark even with the jokes, the show has blood and all but still, it’s giving quirky and not weird and macabre
I don't know who in that writing room had such severe mommy issues that they felt the need to give Wednesday and Morticia a bad relationship but I hope they go to therapy some day
The show made a lot of money, so let's just hope the person actually get some therapy.
If we’re being honest, probably Burton
you do realise that we've never seen Wednesday as a teenager, right? Sometimes, relationships can shift as kids grow older.
@@maiasanders3691yes, regular ass basic traditional people's families. The Addams is meant to be a loving family as a mirror to the hypocritical American family values despite being "dark" people. Her having typical teenage girl issues doesn't fit in the type of people the Addams are. The trope would be Morticia being proud of Wednesday being her own person
Tim Burton, I mean... all of his films feature some strain of that. Look at Beetlejuice. Heck the star of Wednesday is making a comeback to be Lydia's daughter for goodness sakes.
Jenna Ortega really played Wednesday so well but besides that this should’ve been a movie instead of a whole series in my opinion. I also didn’t like how they have Wednesday not have a good relationship with her mother because the whole purpose of the Adams Family is that they seem odd and liked unusual things but they all loved each other. I’m also tired of Netflix and all of these streaming apps rebooting old movies or making these wattpad type of shows/ movies like can we get something original and new?
Omg while watching it I kept yelling "WHY DOES SHE HATE HER MOM THIS MAKES NO SENSE????" Because the Addams family have always loved each other. Was she just being an angsty teen??
I think it’s because she’s a teenager now just trying to do the classic teenage thing a rebel
YES OMG THE MOTHER-DAUGHTER RELATIONSHIP FRUSTRATED ME SO MUCH
@@MikaelaCher why? people grow up and usually have attitudes when they reach teen years. the other two wednesdays were younger then this one can't expect her to stay the same forever.
I 100% agree with you. Unfortunately, Netflix knows that nostalgia sells and I don't see them backing down with these shitty reboots any time soon.
the biggest thing that irked me with this show was the family dinamics. Tim Burton is so hell-bent on making his main characters complete outsiders, utterly alone and detached from the world they live in, that he misses the ENTIRE point of the Addams family. We love the Addams family because they are outsiders together. The rest of the world might not get them, but their family is so supportive, so encouraging and caring of each others interests, even with the occasional murder and/or torture, that it doesn't matter what other people think. One of my favourite scenes of the The Addams Family movie is the theatre scene Wednesday and Pugsley perform: it's so gorey, but clearly took so much time and effort, so of course their family is impressed and cheer them on. Obviously they are the only ones who clap, but the kids don't care about other people's opinions, they value their family's above all. This feeling is so absent from the series it made me forget I was supossed to be watching an "Addams family" inspired show.
@Franchesca lesward i guess, but the show banks a lot on the character of Wednesday we know, that was created through her relationship with her family in other movies/shows. If the show was about an original character, it probably wouldn’t have become as famous. As a pre-established character, it makes no sense for her to behave this way, especially with her mother, and it really hindred my suspension of disbelief.
It’s like if they made a show about Lisa Simpson but her relationship with her family was the opposite of what it had been on The Simpsons.
Besides, the whole asthetic of the show is based on other Addams family media, and to me it feels very lack luster compared to the other family dynamics we have.
I agree completely. The Addams particularly in the Addams Family movies they are seen as the opposite as a ‘normal’ family. They would have supported Wednesday and as much as I dislike the animated movies the family supported her when she was starting to act ‘normal’
@Franchesca lesward true, it’s likely she could have a change in attitude because she’s a teen, i just don’t find it believable for it to be to this extent. It’s almost like she’s never felt connected to her family at all.
When I watched the Addams Family musical, I thought they handled this type of change much better then in the show, but it’s just my personal opinion!
There's so much I didn't like that I didn't watch it. First, the hot wife/schlub dynamic. I understand people feel protective of Luis Guzman and the cartoon also had this dynamic, but Morticia has never not been a snack. It's not so much that I don't want Luis to have love but I'd like some love for a similarly unconventionally attractive woman instead of an incredibly conventionally hot woman. I would have preferred Gwendolyn Christie as Morticia actually, even though she's a model, leaning into the height difference would even be an improvement, pushing the convention so far that it's not reading like Goth King of Queens.
Then I saw the clip where Morticia is disappointed her daughter doesn't want babies and I'm like... what? No. Wednesday's dynamic with Morticia, how she's her mother's daughter, is my FAVORITE. If you are going to give them tension, why this? Morticia would support the hell out of child free Wednesday, out of Ace Wednesday. If there's a conflict it should be over Wednesday wanting to be conventional, or choice of murder weapons or something.
This show just turned the Addams family into such a heterosexual dystopia, I have no interest in anything besides the dance scene which admittedly I have watched several times.
@Franchesca lesward al menos en mi opinión, la Familia Adams y Merlina como personaje son super originales, pero en la serie habian muchos clichés y creo que fue potencial desperdiciado para hacer algo diferente, sin los traingulos amorosos ni drama madre e hija, clichés.
It's so weird the way they did it, too, because in the jokes Wednesday is all about murder and mutilation/torture, but the second someone is actually murdered she's like "murder bad" (i.e. being upset about her father potentially killing someone)
Might seem weird to "regular" people like yourself, but coming from someone who is very much like Wednesday, I understand the thought process behind that. I'll explain - so it's kind of like when you say, "I'm gonna kill you if you ever do that again," to someone that took your last donut, but you wouldn't actually do it. Wednesday still has morals, but because she comes from a family of weirdos and masochists, her moral blueprint is slightly skewed. Everyone has limits of what is right and wrong. Wednesday thinks putting piranhas in a pool to inact revenge on someone who shoved her brother in a locker is a perfectly reasonable way to handle the situation, but if someone were to actually die, she'd understand how wrong what she did was. So to her, hurting people (for, in her mind, a good reason) is okay but killing someone (unless they deserved it) is totally not okay. The joke about the whole "attempted murder" charges and Wednesday saying, "then everyone would know I didn't finish the job," or whatever she said, was just that, a joke, and that was all. I've made jokes like that before. Is it normal? Probably not, but I have a dark sense of humor. I hope that clears things up for you
@@thesoutherncowgirlpoet this is like one of the funniest things ive ever read lmao
@@annadiezahnloseit reads like a copy pasta
Almost like they are strange or something, not actual murderous psychopaths. Which I thought was something that was already established.
@@donaldhysa4836 in the movies they are actually murderous though. Usually not on purpose, but they never make a big deal of it. At Uncle Fester’s bachelor party, a stripper accidentally gets baked into a cake and they all laugh it off. Both movies also end with the villains dying. So it’s weird Wednesday would actually care about her father killing someone. In the show she fed a swimming team to piranhas, she is a psychopath! She’d be excited about the story behind it, not concerned about her dad being a killer
Surprised you didn't mention this: the cut of Morticia's costumes? Very odd. I expect glamorous, plunging, made-for-her, long lines, but instead it felt like an H&M Halloween costume. And the makeup was an odd look as well, because if she's meant to be naturally pale, then the foundation should look like skin. And if she's not, and they want to make it appear as if she DOES apply base makeup, shouldn't it look like it was on purpose? It felt so dry and cakey for no reason, like they were trying to cover up signs of aging but they just made it look worse. Zeta-Jones can and has served so much harder. Them's my two cents.
On the other hand she literally uses baking powder as foundation according to the original 60s series so maybe the cakey appearance was on purpose? Or maybe I'm giving them too much credit lmao
Yesss! I HATE the way they styled Morticia. She looks.... cheap? There's no structure to her dress, and it gives such an unpolished look imo. Tbh I think pretty much everyone's costuming looks like it was done in really cheap fabrics, but I definitely found Morticia's to be the most egregious.
YES! She looked so plain and empty with just her long hair and that dress. The clothes were wearing her. If you wear that much black and are playing MORTICIA, you need to have the attitude, grace and confidence to pull it off. Or I would have liked to see a beautiful necklace or SOME sort of accessories, or a really heavy smokey eye.... She was giving more "chola" than vamp, but I guess I was spoiled by Anjelica Houston's Morticia.
Her relationship with Morticia was just wrong. Yes, Wednesday is morbid and snarky, but her mother very much nurtured Wednesday’s overall attitude and the two never fought. It was all love between them at the end of the day, in their own way 🖤
Also, totally agree with you - don’t think Wednesday would have given a shit about her father being a potential murderer. It would have been a point of pride for her.
I do think she'll be at least a little annoyed as to why they were trying to hide it... Other than that, she would've been intrigued.
I think it’s because these are her teenage years so the typical child vs parents cliche was used
I mean… she’s a teenage girl. No matter how great your mom is, most teen girls have Complicated relationships with their mothers. Throw in being surrounded by your mother’s accomplishments… yeah I can see why they seem tense at first. They end the family visit episode on a fantastic note.
Girls her age say hurtful things, as said.. she might be an outsider and an Addams but still, all teenagers will have that phase
I think they wanted to like play on the mother daughter dynamic/conflict present in latinx households.
my whole issue with the show is how they turned THE Wednesday Addams into a detective solving a murder in the name of justice, it's so out of character. she was literally bragging about attempted murder in the first ep and then being all upset her father is a murderer and despising Tyler too like ?????? Jenna Ortega's performance definitely is the saving grace of this show.
tone-deaf is a term Netflix writers have not learned yet. (and probably never will)
Right???? It feels like this was a different script with an Addam's Family skin thrown on it in the 11th hour
Ill be honest her performance is not what its cracked up to be
Hit show needs to have:
- Existing IP or other nostalgia bait
- Safe plot (murder mystery seems to be the theme on the more recent shows like from 2019 on)
- Romance AND action (to try and appeal to everybody)
- PG13 rating (to get more potential merch buyers and free marketers watching) which usually excludes queer characters and narratives
If you don't abide to all of those, your show will struggle to get investors and the OK from Netflix. And IF it airs, it won't be that much of a hit to please investors.
She puts up an angsty teen front. It’s not supposed to be genuine.
My main issue with the show was the love triangle, I just didn’t think Wednesday needed a love interest. She didn’t really like them, and they thought they were entitled to dates or being around her at all.
Agree! her character doesn’t need a love interest.. especially right away. It would’ve been more interesting to include a love interest in the last like 2 episodes then have the love triangle in season 2 to show her evolving as a character and give a clif hanger for what a second season would be about
yeah, and both of the guys acted so entitled when she “rejected” them. she didn’t show interest in them at all tbh unless it was for her own benefit. people could argue that tyler was just pretending for obvious reasons, but how did xavier get so sad when wednesday literally didn’t show any emotion to him at all 🧍♀️. it was very forced in my opinion. he was down bad for her since the first ep lol.
I didn't mind the boys liking her despite her never giving them any signs she liked them. I just wish they'd used that and had her actually have no interest in them and tell them that. People crushing on someone and seeing signals that aren't there isn't unusual, but she genuinely never gives them any signs that she's into them before she starts seeing Tyler. Anything remotely close to a sign from her felt more like her manipulating them to get what she wanted than any hint at genuine interest.
Well, for Tyler...
*{Spoilers}*
He was evil! Him liking Wednesday was all about the blood part of the ritual to revive Crackerjack or whatever. What they had was not genuine, so it didn't really bother me that he was able to manipulate her into liking him back. He even forced them to have a date, speaking over her as she was trying to express she wasn't fully committed to the possibility of them being an item.
The kiss was also... Plot related. She needed it for the vision, and it marked the END of their romance, rather than the start. Which was very unexpected and I found it even more rewarding.
And with Xavier, it felt organic enough to be believable. He made a whole painting of her, they believed each other past other's judgement and accusations (of course, she wrongfully got him arrested, but she was being manipulated by Tyler and Christina Ricci) and there was a platonic resolution. They didn't need to end up together, and they didn't. I hope season 2 keeps it that way.
@@apersonwhodraws The addams' family is portraying the opposite of a stereotypical family and values. Wednesday being a teenager in highschool in a love triangle and portaying her as "not like the other girls" and "Edgy and quirky" character is just a cheap lame and lazy writing.
I noticed that something was wrong, I thought that the problem was Tim Burton's direction, but when I investigated I realized that the script was a disaster, it was written by Alfred Gough and
Miles Millar, the same writers of Hannah Montana the movie and Herbie, they modified Tim Burton's original script because they considered it weird and creepy. Wednesday ended up being like any other teeanager show.
wow i’m glad it’s not tim burton fault i knew he would never write smth like that
The addams family is creepy and kooky, mysterious and spooky??? Nonsense!
@@baby_bear FR like thats literally the point lmao
that makes so much sense because i was so confused by how someone who made beetlejuice and edward scissor hands could produce something as mediocre as wednesday
I love Hannah Montana but jesus, the fact that they felt the need to yassify Tim Burton into a Riverdale type of story 😭 Just... the audacity of it really. Burton is one of the greatest and most unique director/writer. While Hannah Montana... is good but not at that level. It's like forcing Martin Scorcece to make Gossip Girl 😢
i think the main problem i had with Wednesday’s character was that they leaned too much into the whole “girlboss” character with her being good at everything, her having a quip/snark for every answer, having two guys obsess over her, having powers. It’s interesting but it’s not Wednesday. What I enjoyed most about the older versions was Wednesday was just a weird girl with different interests, no powers, no superhuman talents, not a perfect person. She was only snarky when she needed to be, it wasn’t her whole personality. And she had a super healthy relationship with her parents which was cool because it was a subversion of the whole “angsty kid goes against her parents” genre we see time and time again. But they just removed all of that in this.
Also, People didn’t just not like her cause shes mysterious or their jealous cause she’s interesting- they hated her, wanted her gone, eliminated, and/or her personality eradicated. Her fighting against those normative ideals being her campy self is what made her so endearing.
A lot of the characters i feel were a little too off from what I feel what made them so interesting in the first place.
i agree, she’s kind of a mary sue in the show
@@oonooooooooo so you're saying if I know how to play the piano, dance ballet, speak 4 different languages, skilled at archery, knows a few martial arts, good at fencing, plays the violin, does that make me a Mary-sue? I agree with everything OP said except this part how is being good at a lot of things makes you a Mary-sue? it's not unrealistic people like this do exist.
@@lennygriffin2761 being good at things doesn't particularly make someone a mary-sue, rather when you pair that up with no flaws whatsoever
Wednesday about to torture Tyler over bee boy is her most "flawed" moment.......until you remember she was fine with throwing live piranhas into a high school swimming pool at the very beginning of the show.
@@mayo4507 Wednesday actually has a lot of flaws. She lacks a lot of social skills, she has problems with communicating with others( she doesn't know how to have a normal conversation like a normal teen everything she says is either too blunt or disturbing), she lacks empathy, she is manipulative, she struggles with expressing how she feels, and most importantly she pushes people away.
@@lennygriffin2761 yes, but they all like her anyway, so this is not flaws anymore) Like it's supposed to be cool, doesn't have deep feelings, emotions or boundaries with people, because it's make her stronger then them and ,, special,,
The reason the Wednesday from The Addams family values works is because she's mean and rude towards unlikeable people, that's why we root for her when she lets the spoiled girl drown and when she burns down the whole thanksgiving play. But the Netflix's Wednesday is just horrible to everybody who happens to exist, it was fun when she almost killed her brother's bully because he's getting what he deserves, but after transferring to Nevermore she's terrible to Enid and uses everybody to get what she wants. I have absolutely no idea why Enid decided to go back to her room and be friends with her again. Honestly I would rather be friends with Bianca, she's gold.
another flanderized character by cynical corporate suits. you are spot on.
I would hate her irl unfortunately. The way the characters are head over heels for her is unrealistic
@@johannaelloso9418 I’d be the biggest hater if I went to school with her lol
@@johannaelloso9418 ngl when she said "for some reason I don't understand you seem to like me" and Xavier tells her "What's there to like?" I was like FINALLY!!! but then he goes back to like her again even tho she almost ruins his life
Unrelated complain: as a native spanish speaker it irks me the way everybody pronounces Xavier's name. It's original pronunciation it's more like Havier. I don't know why Jenna still pronounces it wrong when she's latina but whatever
@@luzcalderon7808 Xavier is also a British name and French too so it's not read that way here it's just Xavier
I had a hard time with the Addams trying to be all *we are creepy and like murder, death, torture* and yet, there all so shocked when dad is arrested for murder. Mom is so ashamed of her past murder and what her children would think. Even though, she would, in my eyes, according to her character description, take pride in killing her stalker. Or Wednesday being like I like murder as long as it’s not *murder*
It’s that they tried too hard to fit Wednesday into this mold of CW Nancy drew heroine while keeping her personality. They just don’t mesh and just makes them seem fake or trying too hard
I could not understand why they were trying to hide the truth about that at all, it made zero sense 😭
I think it's safe to say that they have practically rewritten the characters. We only have the shell of the Addams family with this show smh
This!!
Right! like Morticia would proudly talk about a relative enslaving a minister and getting burned at the stake for being a witch...not to mention alot of the addams died becuase they were tortured to death or died in a freak accident according to the 1990s versions..so the addams being uncomfortable with death or withholding family history just felt out of character. Since gomez got framed becuase he was protecting his great love only invalidates the parents keeping the murder a secret even more.
Yeah that’s what I couldn’t understand either, It definitely took out the mystique aspect from the whole family.. like I’d understand if they wanted to get him out because Morticia and Gomez can’t keep their hands off each other but otherwise that was a poor choice to rewrite them that way.
I also feel like Wednesday was never meant to be attractive. As a character in every other adaptation she's creepy, or just average at best. The fact they cast her as this gorgeous girl who every boy falls in love with even though she's kind of a jerk, further proves my suspicion that this was all about the 🤑🤑
nah it’s cuz they used to make wednesday look uncanny and it’s very easy to make gorgeous perfect people look uncanny. however stylistic choices like giving her a contour, for example, contradicts that completely as it enchances HUMAN features and makes wednesday look like she chooses what to wear and not like there’s something deeply wrong with her that nobody will ever be able to put their finger on exactly but it’s definitely there (which is uncanny)
If the lead girl isn’t pretty the show just won’t get popular tbh =T
@@Sarawarawara- Isn't that an indictment of our culture in and of itself? Why can't we tell good stories worth watching about average looking or not conventionally attractive female characters?
@@CasaDuroTinyHome I’m not saying that as a good thing
According to the saying from the majority of the audiences--Wednesday is a bad person because she's being a jerk all over the boys, YET, she shouldn't be all that surprised about her dad being a murderer?
this means she should be nice goody two shoes with the boys and just accept the fact that her family members were murderers(?)
Again,why being jerk(non abusively) with the boy is problematic? Why this triggered people so much? But being a daughter to a murderous father is somewhat acceptable? I'm having difficulty in trying to understand this.
What put me off immediately was that the Addams’ crimes (murder, maiming etc) was treated so seriously with real consequences in the story. Maybe I’m so used to the 90s version just offhandedly dropping one liners of how they’ve committed crimes being played purely for laughs with no lasting impact (Debby:“Aren’t you a ladykiller?” Gomez: “No, I quit”) I felt like it added to the charm of making the family cooky. They were cartoon characters living in the real world who didn’t abide by its rules but in Wednesday they just seem like absurd people who still have to answer to the law; it just doesn’t feel right
Netflix cant go with that wholesome loving family angle bcs their demographic is bitter millennials.
@@Senumunu what? Millennials are the ones who grew up with the happy quirky version.
Actually he says “Acquitted!” But the point still stands
That's exactly what I felt! In the Addam's Family, the dark humor was JUST dark humor, and it fit really well, especially putting word play into effect as well (like you said, ladykiller). And they never harmed good people; they traumatized the bad ones. In Wednesday, all of the violence, or rather Wednesday's hostility and cruelty, was very misdirected--like toward Enid and Xavier and others. And the dark humor wasn't well done. It wasn't funny and was not in the same tone at all from the original (imo), so it made it seem that the show was just glorifying evil. Which, I suppose the original **could** be interpreted as glorification of evil, but it was still obviously satire, and rather, glorification of kookiness.
@@JB-ue6lf Doesn’t mean millennials aren’t like that right now
I saw someone online say that Wednesday was basically an Addams Family modern AU fanfiction and I think that's the best way to describe this show
It was probably be. I said it's Tim Burton's Riverdale Addams fanfiction 😂
What does AU mean?
@@Masta2PlayaAlternate universe
Alternative Universe - High School
My biggest problem was that they portrayed Wednesday's character as a quirky e-girl you find in tiktok, and don't get me started on the love triangle.
Fr tho
She’s not like other girls
Quirky?
So right
And that character has been done over and over, like every Zooey deschanel character, where it’s intended to shock normies and cause cognitive dissonance. This trope is SO TIRED and it made me mentally exhausted just seeing the trailer. Then the fact that it’s blown up and everyone is acting like it’s this huge original culture- jamming moment 🙄 I wish more people invested in older shows pre-Netflix Original era that were well written quality multidimensional. I’m just bitter I guess because I am old enough to remember when the goth thing was an actual, authentic subculture. Pre-Internet. I’m like the old lady complaining about the kids loud rock music now!
Super minor pet peeve but since I haven't seen anyone mention it I wanted to say the idea that a "scary movie" for Wednesday would be Legally Blonde just goes to show how flat and one-dimensional they made this character. She's been flanderized so much and manufactured to be hashtag not like other girls ™️ that anything pink revolts her and it's so ironic because Elle Woods and Wednesday are kindred spirits just with different aesthetics. The idea that Wednesday could watch Elle be assaulted and mistreated and still come up on top because she realized she never needed to prove anything to anyone and think of it as "torturous" because she likes the color pink and is girly just made me irrationally upset lol. But maybe it's just because I have a soft spot for that movie.
That made Elle so charming, she was like other girls, was okay with it, and thrown into a world of boring, not like other girls world. She was oblivious to how different she was, and she liked everything they did not. She actually had alot in common with the Addams family, who is upbeat, optimistic, but different than everyone, and is oblivious to it. Just like Elle in legally blonde.
yess wednesday's whole not like other girls thing felt really misogynistic and wasn't cute at all. they could have made her be afraid of a cutesy disney movie like in family values instead of making her repulsed by...femininity
I just think that's the show leaning into the campiness. I agree that it's an issue though because there are other scenes of the writers making Wednesday out to genuinely care about people like that. They have to either write a well grounded show or fully lean into the campiness. The charm of camp film doesn't work unless it's fully embraced in all its satire.
@@sleepyghostgirl All of this. One small scene I adore from The Addams Family's Values is when Wednesday and Joel were by the lake and he confided in her about how he was plagued by allergies. Instead of making this his failure and thus him the butt of the joke, it was this intimate, romantic and cute, but still morbidly funny moment, where Wednesday was attracted to and had compassion for his vulnerabilities.
For real! Like sure it's not Wednesday's aesthetic, but the message sure as hell is. A talented, smart 'girlboss' who is independant and fabulous? That's totally Wednesday Addams!
Honestly, when Wednesday gets a special uniform granted from mum and dad privilege and NO ONE says anything ever about that, the tone for the show was very clear.
I mean, Wednesday arrives at school among hundreds of people, has no obvious personality traits or powers apart being goth or treating everyone like shit and yet everyone around her will fall in love with her, hate her, want to be her friends. They even talk about her when she's not on screen. A lot.
It's Sabrina Mary Sue Spellman meets a Harry Potter generic fanfic.
They could have made so that every student(or the main ones at least) has a modified uniform that suits their personalities. Or even show that Wednesday had to wear a normal uniform but modified it herself out of spite or smth
didn't her parents say she was allergic to color or something?
@@johaseul4538 I thought that was a joke but if it was intended to be comically serious as in the classic Addams style, it would have been great to see Wednesday having an allergic reaction to colourful items before getting the uniform. Good ol'rule of "show don't tell"!
Btw the more we talk about the uniform the more it looks Mary Sue-ish. I work in a school and students can wear what they want but we'll still get complaints if some students are perceived to be treated differently (as it is right). Imaging having "special uniforms" for just one person, it would be RIOT
nah fr
Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way
something that irked me to my very soul in the series was how they tried to create tension between wednesday and her family when literally the whole point of the addams family is that they are a satire of the conventional nuclear family who kind of fake loves each other, so the addams family truly loves each other but it just appears in generally unconventional ways. i feel like its just such a betrayal of the characters and idk what’s worse if they didn’t know or just didn’t care, either way it’s simply tragic and i hope the writers get help soon
+i love that someone is finally pointing out the deep flaws in this series i felt like i was going crazy for a bit with the way that everyone was praising it and she always explains things so eloquently too i feel like someone is finally putting my thoughts into words
YES! I was immediately so stressed when Morticia tells Wednesday the family has been warned about her and she can’t escape to find refuge from Nevermore. Like I understand Wednesday being a bratty teenager, but I don’t love the dynamic of a strained relationship with her mom like that and Morticia choosing to push her daughter out like she can’t handle her. It didn’t feel right.
LITERALLY OMG SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS
EXACTLY! like I was so confused when she was so angry at mortia because it didn't make sense? the family was close in like all the other ones, it felt like in this one it was just to be edgy.
Although the writers probably never intended this, but if Wednesday is ace, then I imagine her disdain for her mother stems from that. She rejects the overt displays of affection and romantic interests consistently throughout the season, even telling her parents to knock it off in the car. She's not comfortable with that stuff but everyone continues to push it onto her. As she said, she's not interested in being a housewife. If Wednesday is ace, then her mother is the romantic foil she's bound to butt heads with.
@@FranFellow731 is so absurd, Morticia loves Wednesday in the original series.... Since she reminds her of herself as a little child (morticia was the weird sorrow kid of her family, the completely opposite of her twin sister Ophelia, only in Gomez she found how to accept her true self)
What makes me sad is, that the show made the Addams Family has the normal teenager film problems. Like the mom wants her daughter to be that what she never could be, ect. But the Addams Family was so funny, because even though they were strange looking, they were a family that loved, cared and supported each other. And this is now gone
They still support and love one another though. In the show it's made explicit that Wednesday would quite literally kill for Pugsley, and even though her relationship with her parents becomes more complicated, they still have open communication throughout the show. Wednesday tells her Gomez he was a great father and by the end she makes up with her mother. Wednesday went from being a kid to a teen, and it's only realistic that she distances herself from her parents. Doesn't mean they don't love each other still.
@@tillie_brn being a teen doesn't mean distancing yourself from your parents, im sorry for you if that's how you felt but it's just not true.
Right? They're soo hell bent on being 'relatable' that it's suffocating 😭
@@lexoulex3793 they’re just saying u aren’t as close to your parents when you grow up. That’s true for most ppl.
@@tillie_brn ... But the whole gag of the family is that they aren't a realistic or normal family, so having her character distance herself from her parents shouldn't have even been in question. It was just something to relate to their target audience. A group of teenagers who want to be different, but are truly just stuck up and mean.
Another thing that upset me (that I’ve heard a lot of people mention) is Wednesday’s disdain towards her mother. I understand that teen girls often have problems with their parents but like…the whole point of the Addams family is that they subvert the nuclear family with their unapologetic bond and love for one another.
The whole “I don’t want to be like my mom” thing was so bizarre. We don’t see any indication that Morticia is trying to push that so it’s fully fueled by some delusion by Wednesday that makes no sense. The show also tries to portray Wednesday as a feminist but just uses feminist buzzwords in the dialogue and then has Wednesday act with a lot of internalized misogyny to propel herself as “better” than the other female characters. Like when she called her black, frilly lace, turtle-necked dress for the Rave’n as catering to the male gaze-what the fuck??
I can’t imagine a world in which Wednesday thinks that being a homemaker is a bad thing when she has been raised by Gomez and Morticia. Like the Addams family is a matriarchal family, Morticia runs everything and has Gomez wrapped around her finger, she is in total control. I think I could forgive it more if we saw her actually grow and change. I know we get that tiny bit when we see Morticia threaten the mayor and Wednesday starts to see that there are different ways to be strong, but then they blatantly missed the opportunity for more growth when Wednesday watched Legally Blonde!!! Like it would have been such a good moment for Wednesday to further realize that feminine=\=bad, but they glossed over it.
It’s so clear that the tv show went for the aesthetics of the Addams family without actually engaging with it. Wednesday is purely “not like other girls” from an aesthetic point of view, not a moral one. She hates the blonde (Amanda I think?) in the movie because she’s an elitist bitch, and is very closed minded, not because she’s a blonde girl who wears pink. The Addams family is an extremely open-minded family, so for Wednesday to have an opposite mindset in the tv show is crazy.
It shows that the tv show wants to get “girlboss” points but not actually try to grow through its characters and I think that’s a very harmful narrative for young girls.
Agree like the Mina mentioned it's supposed to be a unit.
I'm seeing all these comments of really good ideas and opinions and now I'm going to respectfully steal them and add my stuff to it and make a better wednesday show
Elle woods isn't even a bitch she's a great person and a feminist icon who has alot in common with wednesday
@@Mole-EstherI think when they say 'blonde' they are referring to the blonde child at the summer camp in addams family values. And she was definitely an elitist bitch lol
This right here. The aesthetic drive just makes the character into a caricature and a pop culture piece, not something that stands the test of time.
when you said "wednesday is removed from her family when the whole point of the addams family is that they're a family unit" I finally understood why the whole concept of the show never sat quite right with me!! when I first saw advertisements for the show I was like "oh okay, this could be interesting but idk..?" I always felt kind of iffy and that was exactly why. the addams family is the addams family for a reason. not just the addams lol
I'll be honest, I've only watched one episode before I dropped it became Wednesday relationship with her parents felt so, wrong. While I know it's only about her, her family is also apart of her. I want her to love her family and if she's gonna be snarky with them than maybe it could be the type where the parents just know it's just all talk? I have a better explanation for that but I can't find words for it at the moment.
I think if I gave it another chance I might like it but idk, I'm not interested in it as I was with the old cartoon and the live action movies from the 90s
Well the show is called WEDNESDAY so what did you expect.
@@WallFlower08 that's the whole reason why its not good lmao. the appeal of addams family values is, well, the addams family. not just wednesday. that's why the previous versions worked and this one didn't
Put that is the point the show was created to give a new side to Wednesday
@@yoshita4140 is not for you but people love
The point of the Addams family is that they are the outcast and the weirdos. Their interactions with “normal” people is what makes them so funny. Putting Wednesday in a school with people who are also weirdos and different is just… so… what’s the point lol.
I kinda liked it cuz it gave me monster high vibes. meanwhile monster high today is shit and ruined
@@beepboop2842 a netflix monster high show for a slightly older demographic could slay tbh
@@splodergirl1need that now !
@@beepboop2842”monster high today is shit and ruined” LOL I know that’s right! They’ve been Barbie-fied!
I think maybe it could've worked, but it didn't because none of those characters were actually weird. They all fit into cliche high school movie characters.
Finally someone who says Wednesday is just another Riverdale. I felt the same when I saw the first episode and it was just a goth version of Riverdale.
💀 I been thinking this my sis almost killed me but that's not the Addams family that's uwu so quirky that I'm emo Addams family
I wish it was another Riverdale. At least Riverdale leans into the absurd and has macabre elements
I knew it reminded me of SOMETHING, I couldn’t remember what but it unfortunately is Riverdale
I've never even watched Riverdale and the show gave me Riverdale vibes
@Cordelia John If Wednesday were like Riverdale so it would actually be a good show because Riverdale is good for its proposal, I guess people are stupid and don't understand this... The concept of shows and movies before diving into them 🤷♀️🤦♀️💋
She just doesn't feel like Wednesday. She feels like a goth girl who wants to be Wednesday.
YESSS EXACTLY. I couldn’t even finish the show. But I did anyway, because I thought it would get better.
@@aestheticking2111 plus I was more compelled and more interested in Eden story and her struggles of becoming a full werewolf, and the struggle of not being a full werewolf. Plus, I love her personality. It was so bubbly and she had way more character then Wednesday
Wednesday has always been gothic though.
And Gomez! He is not Gomez!
@@sarahwales6276how so? i thought the plot of him being framed for murder was kinda weird but idk
Even as someone that had little to no knowledge on Wednesday or the Addams family in general I felt that it was weird for a character like her to have a love interest, much less be involved a whole love triangle
yessssss!!!
YESSS, Wednesday doesn't look like a person who has interests in these things
@@cryfly1 Stereotyping?
@@cryfly1 Ok, sorry, I didn't know
@@cryfly1 Sorry to hear that about them. Thanks for telling me though and I will know for future 😊
Strongly agree about the endless series of one-liners. It truly got exhausting. It felt like the writers were just trying to make every time she spoke memeable.
This is what turned me off after the first episode. I have no complaints about the acting, costumes, or overall cinematography. But it feels as if they tried way too hard to shoehorn in way too many one-liners and other contrived meme-able content that could be replicated on TikTok. Not only did it get old fast, but I’m also tired of seeing endless “Wednesday dance” videos all ove my timeline on various platforms.
And they weren't even good! They were so clichè. Christina Ricci Wednesday one liners were so iconic and really good observations on people. I always liked that her Wednesday understood people, she just didn't want any part of them. This Wednesday lacks any self awareness.
It's the Marvel school of writing and I hate how prolific it's becoming
This comment and the replies have opened my third eye, wtf y'all are so correct.
@@folded_pizza fr😭
"I feel like the original Addams wouldn't care about being murderers"
THANK YOU! That bothered me so much while watching the series because they do kill MULTIPLE PEOPLE in the movies. After accidentally killing a stripper in Addams Family Values, Gomez literally laughs it off, exclaims "C'est la vie!" and everyone goes on with the bachelor party as if nothing happened.
I just don't believe that Wednesday, a character that's presented to us in this very same story as someone who doesn't want 'attempted murder' in her record because "everyone would know I failed to get the job done", would care about murder at all.
Which is exactly why I've never liked them lol the Munsters or Jeannie would be better neighbors and friends.
Wednesday didn't care about the murder, she cared about the mystery, she just wanted to solve it, what she was referring to in the video is the murder of Morticia and Gomez
yeah whats fun about the addams family is that you get totally immersed in their morality that it almost starts to not even feel weird when you really get into it (they usually do this by presenting their family dynamic as generally healthy/happy/loving which contrasts with the "normal" people who are often shown as unhappy or abusive or fake). They could have EASILY had a Wednesday murder solving plot that was powered by her curiousity/game playing with the joke being that everyone else was taking it super seriously like they would IRL while she was taking it seriously as a game. The show just didn't know what it wanted to be.
honestly even as someone who didnt watch the addams family i was so confused why she thought of clearing her dad's name
@@gaynarchist or later take it seriously because Eugene was hurt
i was literally wondering why there was a romance too, i'm glad i'm not the only one AND THE WHOLE DEBBY RYAN SMILE WITH TYLER IM DEAD I KNEW SOMETHING FELT OFF
@ꕥSun shineꕥ because these are 2 white boy... have you seen half of netflix 1 black girl and his 2 white guy interest movie everywhere
YES. tired of romance being a necessity for every female character, especially wednesday it just didn’t make sense
@@kanoelani3425 and of course both of them are white boy side eye! next season she should date black guys
I enjoyed the show for the most part, but once again film/tv writers prove that they just can’t write outcasts. Wednesday is “antisocial, morbid and fascinated with the grotesque, an outcast among outcasts”. And yet she’s insanely popular. Everyone knows who she is. People are fascinated by her, drawn to her. She has two love interests despite being aloof and unfriendly, one of which is the ex boyfriend of the most popular girl in school. People want to know her and be her friend even though she pushes them away constantly. She “accidentally” attends the big social event thanks to Thing’s machinations, and of course everyone wows over her dress and kooky dancing. As the series went on, I realised she reminded me of a PG friendly version of Effy Stonem from Skins - a loner, a bit odd and wild, but people think she’s mysterious and hot so they’re still drawn to her. Even Enid is basically Pandora.
Wednesday is an outlier, sure. An outcast? No. No one treats her as less than equal. No one avoids her. Christina Ricci’s Wednesday was more convincingly despised and looked down upon by her peers. It didn’t make her any less awesome. I wish Hollywood writers could figure out how to make an actual outcast character and still make them likeable and relatable.
THANK you! That annoyed the hell out of me! As someone who was an outsider myself for some time during my teens, this felt ridiculous. she is definitely one of the most popular girls at this school
She reminded me a lot of Effy too
What made me even more mad is how they destroyed Morticia's and the rest of the family's personalities and relationship to each other. Morticia is supposed to be this dark, vampire-like lady that is both alluring and creepy, the 91's version of her was perfect to show that, meanwhile the the new one looks like a halloween costume with no effort. Her personality is so different as well, she was always a supportive mother, sure she liked the more dark gothic asthetic for her family but she wouldnt force any of her kids to be like that, if Wednesday said she wanted to be a pastel lolita type girl, she wouldnt be personally fond of it, but would still let her kid be herself as long as it made her happy. In the show, shes just an overbearing mom that is trying to force her kid to be her.
fr tho, sometimes when i saw morticia i felt like i was watching a live action 💀
seriously!! everytime morticia's on screen, im just thinking 🤔 its giving disney... its giving descendants
👏👏👏
I very much did not like this version of Morticia the 1991 Angelica Houston nailed it
I mean, in the 60s show morticia did try to change pugsley into his old, goth self when he adopted a puppy and joined boy scouts and in the musical the main theme is wednesday trying to be ‘’normal’’ for his normie bf and morticia not being supportive of it so the characters are reimaginable definitely, I do however think what made the Addams family special was their loving family dynamic in spite of their weirdness
My main issue is that the show is just not weird or wacky enough. There are no fun hijinks that I associate with the Addams family. They really didn’t use the potential of the IP at all. Anything that happens is something you can find in any other generic supernatural teen drama. Also, it feels like we were told through dialogue way too often about how weird and macabre the Addams family is, but we seldom see them prove this. Same thing with the school. Why does a school of vampires and werewolves scream for their lives when it starts raining blood.
Finally someone points that out! I was hoping they would do a joke about the vampires finding out it was ink and be grossed out and even freak out about that. But literally everyone was like “OH NO! BLOOD!” 😂
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I think that the show's biggest problem was that they decided to treat the Addams Family seriously, which just doesn't work. The TV series and movies implied that the Addams did a lot of horrible things and enjoyed horrible things, but since it was a comedy, we laughed it off. Also, it wasn't the main focus. There has always been a stark contrast between the dark and "wrong" yet loving and supportive Addams family and the supposedly "normal" families that were "normal" to the point of creepiness and only cared about looking good in society's eyes, not about their children's well-being. That was the point of the Addams Family.
What I really thought was weird about Enid is... how are they gonna compare her mom forcing her to wolf out to conversion therapy... which is bad. But then her wolfing out is a big triumphant moment?? Like what's the analogy here. I don't get it. It feels like a weird writing decision.
there is no conversion therapy comparison, she literally wanted ro turn but couldn't
@@user-fv5ol4or1b yes but then when her mom comes to visit and wants to send her to a camp where she's made to wolf out Enid literally calls it "werewolf conversion camp" or sth. I get the "Enid wants to do it on her own terms" thing, but I still feel like the message is a bit muddled with that comparison. It doesn't help when Enid also judgingly says her brothers/family have "toxic pack mentality" (or sth) bc they wolfed out. To me, all those comments make it kinda unclear wether wolfing out is supposed to be a liberating moment for her or not, on a general level. (I also thought her being a werewolf that couldn't wolf out could've been 1. A cool gimmick and 2. Another good message about being different/not fulfilling expectations, but my hopes are besides the point here)
i believe they were trying to queer-code her. netflix knows gay ships are profitable, so they tried hard to market the series as if enid and wednesday had a thing going on. they basically queerbaited and tiktok kids fell for it.
I think it was a bit of taking the black sheep of the family thing to the extreme...like as if everyone has always become doctors and Enid was on her way to become an artist. Like the mother needed her to follow in a avg/normal werewolf's footsteps. And since she wasn't on track the family was going to force it which is where the camp comes in to get the results that the family wanted for Enid instead of Enid being allowed to walk her own path. Our irl conversion therapy camps are insidious thinking they can change someone into what they're not but Enid's wolfing out camp version of such a thing was to bring out what Enid truly was..which is undesirable for Enid herself but yes not completely right to be compared although the writers rlly made it feel like it was a direct equivalent. As werewolves I can see why from Enid's perspective "pack mentality" is toxic since she is unable to fit in to that mold, especially given that she was put together with a gorgon instead of another wolf (like what..it also woulda been wild if her fling with the mayor's son had worked out🤡). The fact that she wolfed out (love how there was no explanation on the fact that it was during a blood moon of all things 😀) just seemed like a necessity for the plot since she was the only "monster" strong enough to fight Tyler's Hyde...cuz like Wed. was a goner for sure which tbh makes me think of the ppl that were/weren't killed off 🤔
NEW TIM BURTON DISEASE. it's literally the same as his alice in wonderland movie where alice defies the people in her world who are telling her what to do by going to wonderland and... doing what people tell her to do?? idk but it seems very similar to that lol
They should have sent pugsley along with her. The brother/sister dynamic was great and it could have replaced the dumb love triangle no one but tik tok girls cared about.
this show (and all of these shows) are engineered in labs to appeal to tik tok girls.
@@Senumunu nothing like cashing out on teen girls puberty
agreed, i feel like the role eugene played could have easily been replaced by pugsley
@@mmeada3654 i actually want eugene to be friend with pugsley if he stay at the school with her sister. Its just sad seeing him not having friends with the students in nevermore but instead with bees.
i didn’t like the love triangle but u suffer from deep internalised misogyny
Honestly I expected a plot in wich Wednesday fought to prove that his father WAS in fact a murderer. I mean... "who do you think my father is? of course he stabbed that man!!!"
Seriously! I'd like the idea of them all being into the idea, with Gomez and Morticia thinking they actually did it, but get real disappointed when they find out he died of poison lol;
That would have been so much more interesting and true to canon
Morticia and Gomez bickering over who ACTUALLY gets credit for stabbing him 💀
@@anerrorhasoccurred8727 OMG YES and then there's this big confusion on which actually did it because they both admit themselves but deny the other😭😭 Only to find out it was neither of them🤣
original wednesday would be delighted and proud her dad murdered for her mom. They would even bury people alive if they harmed the addams family, thats values. Her family is close knit and protect one another. Morticia would be proud her daughter was expelled for attempted murder. I don’t think people who watch wednesday only know this, this family unconventional and quite dark at times but also wholesome since they their love for one another was pure and protective. I suggest people watch the original work, wednesday almost burned a girl alive in a play at camp, she would not care to save anyone like that let alone some hyde killing students she doesnt even know.
I didn't watch much of it, but thought Wednesday seemed more of a snob than a weird girl, especially towards Enid. She was so rude to her for no reason. I thought Wednesday was supposed to be potentially homicidal, but not a jerk who hated on someone just because they like colors and have a different personality.
She was a snob in the 90s too
I never understood why Tyler or Xavier liked Wednesday. With Xavier I kinda came to the conclusion that his type was narcissistic women, because Bianca is sort of like that, but even so he seems to demand more respect for himself than what Wednesday ever gives him. And Tyler is just straight up insane. Plus i didn't really feel like Tyler and Wednesday had any chemistry. Tyler always looked confused or awkward and he was just so pushy about it. Either way I think we could've gone without the love story. Especially the part where it's reciprocated.
Like the only way I would get it is if they were actually into the creepy weird detached aspects of her, but they seemed hellbent on her being nice and lovey dovey with them, and it's like "What do you like about her then?? Like do is it just physical attraction??"
@@nicolegrant8101 exactlyy!!
@@nicolegrant8101 Physicial attraction, being different and stooding up (can eloborate), initiating interaction and giving something to work on. Whether it is to dropping her off out of the town, casually approaching and joining on hobbies or starting to initiate dialogues with them.
As a guy, it kinda blow my mind to find out the female demographic of the show somehow couldn’t make sense of Wednesday being attractive to her peers around. How oblivious are you all to the male sexuality? Not just that but also having no clue about being oblivious to the point of having strong opinions on the wrong direction.
@@koray6261 Her being physically attractive, and alluring bcs of her "mystery" is understandable, as well as her being cold to them if they're into that kinda thing; Guys aren't the only ones who like that....
The problem is, they don't seem that into her being cold to them, and insists that she has feelings for them too or she's "giving mixed signals", when she treats them with the same cold shoulder she does everyone else???
It's less about why they would find her attractive in general, but more so them demanding something different from her, when she's literally just their crush and not their girlfriend; They seem so entitled to her when she's not dating either of them...
Also this isn't a male only thing, lots of girls do a similar thing, and it's just as weird and confusing; Like you can't get mad at someone for not "treating you right" when they never promised that to you.
A character like Wednesday needs someone who's essentially simp who's not going to criticize and whine about her being mean to them every second...
This love story thing felt so forced, like why did they even kissed ? Wednesday would never
What irked me about Weems is how she was actually completely unthreatening - when she told Wednesday she would never escape the therapist I was expecting to see some display of power or skill that would explain why she is the principal of this weird school, but she was just chatting away on the phone not even paying attention. Think about My Hero Academia: the principal is a mouse and gives the impression he isn't a threat, until you see him in action, then he becomes terrifying. They could have done so much more with her character, and they had a world-class actress on their hands.
Oh yeah, this was such a strange scene. All these adults who talk big and then the only thing she had to do was climbing out of a window and from a roof? My parents who had no interest in me where more observing of my teenager-ass than these people xD.
My Hero Academia 💀 that comparison isn't helping your point.
@@yiyangremus My point doesn't need help, it was made clearly regardless of your judgement.
@@bhelliom3 You're literally comparing MHA, literal gutter trash, to a Tim Burton series. That's genuinely funny.
@@yiyangremus Are you ok? Because that has nothing to do with the original comment. At all.
I thought it was entertaining, but just not very original. The whole "school for weird kids with superpowers" has already been done so many times. Harry Potter, Monster High, Umbrella Academy, The X-men, etc etc. And the the romance angle was tropey: even though Wednesday is not nice to people and doesn't even seem interested in romance, but she's the main character so of course every boy instantly falls in love with her.
LOL Falling in love with the main character, so true, and puts me in mind of the pitch meeting guy. This show reminded me of Legacy...whatever that spinnoff of the Originals is called.
Bellatrix
Fun fact: In one of the older monster high books, humans are referred to as "normies", human school as opposed to, y'know, monster high, was referred to as "normie school". Might have been the first monster high book actually. Not sure, I remember reading it as a kid
Well, not every boy. Eugene is in LOVE with Enid for some reason and literally asks Wednesday to give Enid a bottle of honey as a romantic gesture(?). I don't understand why Xavier likes her anyway, and OMG the kissing scene 🤢
@@scalez3842 It's actually not even in the one of the books, that's how they speak about humans in all of the Monster High media (movies, animated series, books, etc.)! Honestly, when I watched the first episode and they introduced this "creepy" school with monsters calling human normies it reminded me about how much more enjoyable rewatching the old MH movies would be instead of this show hahaha!
"going riverdale" is literally the most accurate description I've ever heard for what Wednesday did to Addams Family
Basically, Wednesday was the ultimate fanfiction
As someone from the fanfiction community, I can confirm this. But man, there are so many better written fanfictions on the internet than whatever this show did.
to be fair… tons of fanfiction have more depth than the writing in wednesday has
@@SpikedMeal Actually, all of the Addams Family fanfiction I liked did what people are complaining about here: Addams weirdness in general and Wednesday’s darker traits toned down and her actually having romantic relationships.
Indeed many people have better perception of what Addams family is furthermore create competent story that suits characters and potential work on their relationships/character development
@@roserain7034 Jenna Ortega consulted to the writers to make the show creepier so let's just hope that the writers listened to her.
So Wednesday is not like other girls, so she's put in the Monster High for "not-like-others" people. But guess what! She has to be different and quirky here as well! And how is this possible that amongst sirens vampires and werewolves (btw the monster selection is so original) it's of course Wednesday that makes all those people talk about her and call her weird?? This makes no sense!
And the fact that she's completely unlikable yet everyone wants to be her friend.
Nothing different from all the teens movies. Always the same thing
The other people at the school are a metaphor. They might be vampires, werewolves, etc. but they are still normal people just like you and me.
"not like other girls" y'all still saying that when a girl doesn't mean act the norm?
sirens, vampires and werewolves are still normies hanging out in groups
My biggest gripe is that, to me, there's no reason for this show to be an Addams family show. There's not enough of a connection to justify it - take away the fact that she's from the Addams family and is just some goth girl with magic powers and nothing changes. It feels like someone had an idea for a fantasy mystery and they slapped the Addams Family stuff into it for marketing. EDIT: ah I'm at the part if the video where you mention that lol
seriously this. theyre only using the addams family name bcs of the fame it had on the last decade and they know how it would excite the fans knowing there would be a remake. they seriously ruined the whole vibe of the addams family and the fact most ppl watching it are comparing it to the classics and saying its a perfect remake is so insulting to the classic addams family movies.
i love your icon
That’s why it’s an adaptation 💀
@@LEMOnBRaINnThat’s what I’m saying. At what arbitrary line are we supposed to divide creative implementations from adherence to the original? I think everyone needs to chill tbh
@@en5703 yeah why would you want to see the same adams family story for the 100th time just in tv show form there’s a reason why the animated one flopped and this didn’t is because it tried something new with the characters
Tyler and Xavier suddenly liking wednesday for no reason felt so forced
she’s pretty and “not like other girls”
I think I would be down for a love triangle *if* the love triangle trope was subverted. Like for example : The 2 people chasing the third person fell in love with each other instead.
@@mayln163 but she barely shows interest in them lol
@Ks she shouldn't even have one
They like hard to get
Wednesday stares
The guy: "YOU'RE SENDING MIXED MESSAGES"
The poor romance made the show into a comedy. Aroace Wednesday is a total icon. Jenna didn't want a romance so the bad chemistry is hilarious
Let's stop calling them love triangles when they aren't equal between all three characters. Two boys bothering a girl is a love corner
completey agree. I headcanon Wednesday aroace too.
i think the mixed signals bit was to confuse Wednesday to manipulate her
@@kittypixie.x Honestly that would explain so much!!
im sorry but what has the actor that plays tyler being gay have to do with anything? do you even know what acting is or...?
@@kittypixie.x But she didn't send any signals though at the time he said that? Now I'm the one confused
23:18 Right at the start Wednesday goes like "oh noo it would suck to have attempted murder on the record, everyone would know I didn't finish the job" and then she got all upset about Gomez maybe killing someone I was like? What?
THIS
She was inconsistent about that, mad that her dad might of murdered someone but went around stating how obsessed she is with stabbing, murder, and shooting live targets. Also she was very protective of outcasts but when she found out what Tyler did to Xavier’s art mural she tells him, I would have done worst???
Am i the only one who thought the problem to her wasn't the murder but the fact that he kept it a secret?
@@hummingbird3032 Honestly it would be pretty funny if she was like I can excuse murder but I draw the line at keeping it secret from me
I think she's just edgy, she didn't really want to kill those guys
The movies were just so iconic that I thought the writers would atleast take notes from it. The light focusing on Morticia's eyes, the brother/sister dynamic between Wednesday and Pugsley, and notice how there were almost no fights between the family since they're so understanding of each other. Like Morticia literally finds out her two children is trying to kill their baby brother but she just assured them that no one was getting replaced. Where was that family dynamic in the series?
The love interests are killing me too. There was little to no chemistry and both boys are too dramatic for my liking. I thought we would get someone like Joel from Addams Family Values. Devoted, has the same interests, and doesn't mind that Wednesday is too detached from everyone else. I remember there was a scene in the movie where Joel was showing the siblings his murderer card collection.
THIS! Finally someone brought up Joel!
Their dynamics was something and it worked! And when he dressed up as Gomez at Halloween? ICONIC
They could've written someone like him or even made Wednesday heads over heel like in the play but no, they want another love triangle that makes zero sense.
Omg I miss Joel SO MUCH 😭, I was hopelessly wishing that he somehow appeared at some point but then again, I don't want them to mess him up too so there's that
I agree, the lil nick nacks here and there with plants moving and stuff, with the technology we have now they couldn't even incorporate those.
that was my biggest issue too, the tension between gomez, morticia and wednesday felt very weird
Even the musical left out poor Joel. He was a genuinely interesting character, such a shame.
I think it would have been better if Wednesdays' struggle with Nevermore should have been that she's normal in the context of a spooky monster school. Like, she tries to scare away fellow students away by discussing her macabre hobbies, and is utterly unprepared when they reveal that they share those hobbies and are excited to talk with her about them. That would have made things much funnier and also more emotionally resonant. I know I have struggled making friends as a teenager even when I shared interests with people.
Also the main reason that the love interests do not work in this show is that they are not camp enough. I can't imagine them having funny interacts with the rest of the Addams family which means that it's obvious to me that they don't stand a chance of dating Wednesday.
Xavier should have been more of a peacock and a drama queen, have him be a tortured artist who monologues about either his genius or worthlessness depending on the mood. Which would make him funny in contrast with Wednesday's deadpan personality. I would also have Wednesday give brutal but constructive criticisms to his artwork, and have him spend a large part of the series trying to create a work that fits her exacting standards. The reason Xavier would be attracted to Wednesday is that she challenges him to do better, and the reason why Wednesday would be attracted to Xavier is that he's really fun to torment (and coincidentally appreciates being tormented).
Tyler should have had more Connecticut Clark energy. He should have seemingly been the most "normal normie" out there, almost uncomfortably plain and normal. This would thematically play very well with him being a Hyde because the original Jekyll and Hyde is a story about a man denying all the gross and uncomfortable parts of himself and hiding behind the mask of respectability. Wednesday would be interested in dating partially to Not Be Like Her Mom, as she sees Xavier as too similar to her Father. Writing Tyler in a way that he has chemistry with Wednesday beyond saying "do the Connecticut Clark meme" is actually hard, I'm drawing a blank on what the emotional draw of the pairing would be as a potential relationship.
I think it would be neat to rework Tyler into a (supposedly) sincere and earnest and open character, not to the extent of Enid but still contrasting with Wednesday's more private nature.
I think the writers wanted a "bad boy"/"boy next door" type love triangle but it never really hit, and I think pushing Tyler's more good traits would make the Hyde arc hit harder as well.
I didn't even dislike the series but every single one of your ideas sound like it'd better it!
I like your ideas a lot, I wish you were a writer on the show 😂
I don't really agree with your first paragraph or point. I don't think she would care if they shared the same interest. It would still be a school that's the norm. I don't think this would be a good idea at all. But I do see some potential
The fact that he has to break up his sentences into three makes it sound like he has something in his mouth all the time.
the whole pilgrim world plot was wild because why would a black man willingly run that😭 also the plot hole of the pilgrim hating outcasts but then being brought back by witchcraft and then having powers 😭 like what were they thinking when they wrote that
Why would Candace Owens say the things she says while being a black woman.
And about the witchcraft, some people hate the same thing they represent or are ready to use methods of a group they are fighting against for "greater good".
I said the same thing about pilgrim world 😭get somebody else to do it
@@Sabrina-vc9yt she isn’t really a good example because she doesn’t even believe she’s black 😭
Two words: Kaney West
I'm tired of her repeating at every occasion she's not "like the other girl".... Common we get it now. How come the other Wednesday never had to explain us that they were different but this one cannot shut up about that... More she explained it less I believe her.🤡
The show was meh, but Ortega made the entire show. Her interpretation of Wednesday sealed the deal
@nightwingdefeatingbadguys8076 she's not the original i forgot the name of the 1960s actress tho so
I can’t say that she’s a bad actor bc that would be lying but I can’t stand the way she talks in this show. My bf and I were going crazy bc how annoying she was. We were also surprised at how she had any friends w the way she treated ppl. No one irl would’ve given her the time of day acting like that
@@Samantha-vj4sd Uhh this is NOT rl and it is a school for `outcasts`. Definitely a bad take going in on Ortega of ALL people in this show, definitely a shit take
@@Samantha-vj4sd that's the writers fault tho not necessarily hers.
@its really complicated being nice to straight men christina is not the orignal
i'm mad at how much they changed the family dynamic in the new show. the addams family used to be weird and strange, but they were a very happy family. now they're still weird, but also broken. they've changed the happy family dynamic to an end goal rather than where the story starts. as a kid i loved how Gomez and Morticia were so supportive of their kids no matter what. That's not there any more :/
I hated the love triangle. The love angle in general. Episode 1 they establish that she is a sociopath with little remorse for violence, yet somehow all these dudes are fawning over her, even though she treats them like trash?
Then the whole Scooby-Doo type mystery. Like, it she was a sociopath, why would she care about this murderous monster. It's like they couldn't decide who they wanted Wednesday to be
There is nothing strange about dudes being attracted to her. I wouldn't be surprised if they low-key like it when she insults them.
She cares because it somehow involves her (the prophecy) and also because the perpetrator always appears to be 1 step ahead of her and she can't have that.
I think they literally couldn't decide on who Wednesday should be because there are reports that Tim Burton wasn't the only director and that the other directors were pushing Jenna to do things with Wednesday's character that veered from the intent that maybe Tim wanted or at least that Jenna saw would work for Wednesday. If it were up to Jenna there wouldn't have been the love triangle as she states she could do without it in interviews.
I mean she'd care about the monster. She'd probably want to meet it, congratulate or ask questions. Hell even hunt it.
@@judit5173 hahaha, AGREED
@don't mind me That's an interesting point! I did see the interview where she didn't want to do the love triangle, so at least it's not just us that hated it lol
my biggest issue is with the fact that wednesday, regardless of where she is, is treated like she's the weirdest one there. This show would've done AMAZINGLY if they just set it at a normal boarding school, especially since the other characters' weirdness barely contributes to the storyline and two 'normies' end up being the antagonists.
Agreed, the whole Monster High esque school and plotline didn't really work that well as a whole. I was really hoping it was gonna be a more slice of life mystery show with Wednesday being surrounded by regular people.
@@BratzRockAngels this! I was really hoping she'd be placed among normal humans at a normal high school
It makes no sense for Wednesday to even be the weird one in a school full of magical creatures. And how is she the most homicidal one in a school full of magical creatures? And not cute fairies but vampires, werewolves, and gorgons, sirens, and witches? Creatures known for attacking, turning, and feeding off of humans? Why did the thought of torture and fake blood freak out these monsters? Makes no sense.
@@queenmoreau2098 this too! everyone seemed to just be identical to the normies, just with the addition of powers that they don't even use that often
@@chrazzl EXACTLY! When the dude attacked the school it upset me so much seeing all of the students run away like bro gorgons attend the school and they could’ve easily turned him into stone. It was so weird seeing all of them run away rather than fight considering they are mythological creatures who posses powerful abilities.
What was annoying was when she cared about her father being a murderer, found out the truth and said "I knew you didn't have what it takes to be a murderer" and he replied with "As much as that stings thank you" something like that IMPLYING that she wished he could have been one and he was embarrased to not be one as if she wasn't JUST trying to hold him accountable for it. It's so ridiculous because not only would the original addams family not care about that but she literally attempted murder at the beginning of the series as well.
I think she was more upset about the fact that they didn’t tell her this story before not about the fact that he could be a murderer
i think the writers interpretation of it was more that Wednesday is upset about not knowing the truth but then again, i don't think the original Addam's family would have ever gotten to such a point? They were such an open/great family in prior adaptations and hiding something like a murder or attempted murder would just not fit into that, especially with how amazed Wednesday is about this topic
I feel like the writers really just didn't care about the fundamental research and just put the "quirky" one liners and references about the Addam's family into a normal teen show
@@leilei_hobi757 But they are literally all relieved and happy when the truth comes out..
@@doyoufeardeath666 Because he gets out of prison. In Wednesday they were talking about how Gomez wouldn't survive away from Morticia that long in jail. Goes back to the family ties thing. They don't want their Dad locked away from the rest of them and getting him back was a happy moment.
I like Wednesday in moderation, which is why I liked Christina Ricci's Wednesday because she was a side character. Having her as the main character of an entire series felt overwhelming because honestly she's a very mean person and her constant snarky one-liners, while being true to her character, do become exhausting. And her meanness occasionally reminds me of some of the most arrogant and toxic people I've met so sometimes it's hard to root for her because I feel like I'm rooting for those people who made moments of my life miserable. Worse, I don't like that some of the people around me are trying to copy her attitude as if being mean is cool now. Wednesday has great qualities but it's sad that there are people who think her rudeness or meanness are the most aspirational.
The show felt like a y/n wattpad story. Ofc Wednesday is supposed to be different, so I would expect these actions from her. However, the plot that surrounds Wednesday makes it feel like a y/n story. The unnecessary love triangle(which I believe Jenna herself said she didn’t like or something along those lines), the upbeat best friend that explains what the setting/event is to the main character(which is a way to explain the meaning of what happens in the plot to the audience), the classic party that happens every.single. Time. The “mean” popular girl that actually has something going on behind the scenes. Bringing it back to the boys, they really didn’t add anything to the story. If they were more interesting instead of being in a one sided love story and suspects to the mystery, maybe I would have wanted them more in the story.
gonna be real with you but even y/n stories can create a better love corners (i refuse to say love triangle when talking abt this shit) than the one presented LMAOO
there was literally ZERO chemistry between all of the characters, which makes me wonder how fun it wouldve been if this was a clever setup for a canon aroace wednesday (even though the reasons for why it exists, considering how wednesday treated these guys, is still kind of. yknow.. bad)... oh well. a man can dream
i swear a het norm twelve year old who actually hates alt and goth people wrote this nonsense. Jenna is proof that good actors can make bad writing seem better
The show definitely played out like Tim Burton’s take on My Immortal but lacking the depth and iconic Hot Topic looks
@@Liuxingjohnston that is so accurate!!! they really did just miss the funny "my name is Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way and i look like Amy Lee from Evanescence and no i am not related to Gerad Way"
what i hated was how the boys expected wednesday to fall in love with them because they were in love with her, wednesday clearly was not interested in either
She has so much more chemistry with Enid. She has none with Xavier or the cafe guy. When other characters would comment on the chemist between them, like? Where?
@@Exalted_in_Venusshe had no chemistry with Enid that was more of a friendship. If you mean romantically Enid already has a crush. I don’t think Wednesday will like anyone until maybe she’s in her 20s because she focused on mystery and her power
@@hihowareya6840 you can have chemistry with a friendship too. It doesn't always mean romantically. If anything I feel like this version of Wednesday might be leaning more towards asexual/aromantic.
@@Exalted_in_Venus agreed
@Erin Noir yes absolutely, i loved her friendship with enid, it was one of the few things that felt realistic in this miserable show.
Its a writing problem... Jenna carried the show
10000% agree!
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Spill it hunny 🔥
I was honestly so disappointed I when Wednesday was sent to a "boarding school for outcasts". As you said, the main schtick of the Addams family is the contrast between their morbid nature and "normal" society so I had been really excited to see a show fucosed on Wednesday in a "normal" high school/boarding school 😢
If they really had to do that, they could've at least gone all the way with it instead of making a half-assed "gothic" high school setting that didn't really go anywhere.
I'm so happy you brought up Wednesday's one-liners!!! They started to get annoying really fast and just felt like quirky "lol I hate people" quotes you'd find on pinterest.
They're fine on their own, but that seemed like Wednesday's only source of comedy. I wanted to see her do something physically comedic and morbid like in the movies
Also a big disappointment for me that there is no black comedy in show, I thought they’ll kill people for fun, torture them, classic Addams stuff etc, the only comedy here is Wednesday’s one liners :(
yeah honestly it makes actual loners and anti social people look emo.
even tho having company around can make them feel uncomfortable now they're gonna be the sad gothic kid
Exactly! It's like they started with the aim of having these one liners go viral, and then came up with them from that instead of having good writing and just happening to go viral
Wednesday: 'I don't hate people. They torture each other all the time which is amusing and inspiringly creative. '
@sewer~rat i never said that read again
I was confused when Wednesday is investigating the murders instead of committing them...😓
If they wanted a teen investigating murder show with Wednesday, They should've had us follow someone investigating Wednesday's murders or something.
This is what i imagined the show to be like.
Yea Wednesday should be the suspect
she started to investigate the murders because she wanted to know why she was in rowan's drawing, why he tried to kill her and why the hyde spared her life.
@@johaseul4538 I thought when Wednesday would see the drawing she would be like “Nice” or something. Considering it’s a drawing with her causing destruction. To me it doesn’t make sense that she wants to stop it like every average protagonist, because it’s Wednesday. Anyway that’s my opinion.
@@notyetawomen5257 EXACTLY, from the beginning we were shown that she loved chaos, so why did it bother her so much that she was the cause of the destruction of Nevermore? Plus at the time she still hated that place.
My issues with the show:
1- Addams Family is filled with strange people. Type of people that society never accepts. But their family dinamic is what should society obey. They love every member of family they are respectful. They always support their children and never forces them to do things they dont want to. So originally Morticia would be like "So my daughter doesnt wants to go to school. Its ok she can get education at home." For example in The Addams Family Values childrens wants to go to the summer camp. Gomez and Morticia finds it weird but they let them go.
But in this adaptation relationship between Morticia and Wednesday is terribly written.
2- They made my boi Pugsley dirty. He isnt a poor boy who gets bullied. Cant live without his protective big sissy. NO! THATS NOT PUGSLEY! Pugsley is an Addams too. He is as cruel as rest of the family. Also he lives under same roof with Wednesday. Ten times worse than bullies. So he should know how to escape from a locker. Before Wednesday put piranas in pool he would bomb the bullies.
3- Love Triangle. No need to talk about it. İt was unnecesarry.
4- Why Addams Family feels guilty for killing a person? Killing is their normal.
5- Poor CGI. Everytime monster appears i laughed like "look at this dude" man. İs this supposed to be scary. Like monster chokes Wednesday and i laugh like tomorrow doesnt exists.
Although series has a lot of issues i still like show. Cuz we got Enid, Bianca(i love her so much i can write an essay about her), Marilyn(Christina Ricci) and a lot of Addams Family and Literature references(Jekyll was my first literature crush) you can feel amount of the effort they put in this show. Also aesthetic is fascinating.
Sorry for my bad english
yes!! I loved Bianca too
I found the monster scary. Your level of fear isn't everyone's level of fear - this show is ultimately for teenagers. It's like 12 rated? It's not surprising that a bunch of adults don't like this - it's not for them and it's not going to be the same thing they remember watching as kids.
@@yiyangremus well thats your opinion. To me monster was funny as hell. He looks like zombies from plants vs zombies.
Btw 12 is the age which becoming teenager starts. A person becomes a compelete teenage around 14-17. Age spectrum of the show isnt as small as you think.
Sorry for my bad english
@@witchbetelgeuse I know? I'm almost 17.
@@yiyangremus ok sorry for misunderstanding
I feel like in the original movie the key joke was that despite being so strange and having issues socializing with ordinary people, the Addams family did not have ANY family problems that normal families have. they love each other unconditionally. and in the Wednesday series, they portray these mother-daughter problems which just seem so untrue and made up when we compare them to the original plot. this ✨key joke✨ is not there and for me the huge reason why i miss the real addams family spirit... i mean - i don't even think morticia would force wednesday to go to that school against her will. so out of character
I completely agree about the show being meh. The plot and subplots were so lazy, and the love triangle was unbelievable because there was literally no chemistry! The boys basically fell over themselves for Wednesday after she was rude and condescending to them. Repeatedly. It brings to mind the messaging that boys should keep pursuing girls even though they've never shown interest or reciprocated affections -- something I thought we left in the 90's and 00's. It was very icky to watch.
She was the one in the wrong for giving them attention in exchange for intel and "favors".
to be fair I think it would be swell if the boys fell for nothing in love with her if it felt more aware on how absolutely ridiculous it was, and Wednesday herself being more clearly thinking the whole situation absurd. But it lacked in that department and I felt like the writers seriously thought this could be taken seriously by people older than 12.
@@yeah3601 probably bc she knew they were stupid and would do anything for the attention. Not her fault they didnt get the idea she didn’t like them
About the romance, my friend and I came to the conclusion that both Xavier and Tyler are masochistic and actually want Wednesday to put them down, that is the only way it makes sense that they like her 😂
LMAO
no because that’s exactly the conclusion my mom and i came to lol
like it’s so ridiculous how wednesday is totally indifferent about them and at times outright ruthless, and yet they are like “oh she want me fr“?? come on guys just say u wanna be dommed 😪
kinda, they both had abandonment issues due to their parents, and just decided that wednesday was the girl they latch on to.
but in all fairness, i believe wednesday did show interest in tyler towards the end before he was revealed as the monster.
@@gm.8805 good point, they have some issues to deal with...
Yeah, she did, I think the "scary movie" night at the crypt really won her over
@@high5times10 yep cause she was the one who initiated the kiss
thank you😭 everyone was calling this show the greatest thing ever and i couldn't understand why
literally just because jenna's acting was so good, only thing that i actually liked about the show
I think they just like the aesthetic. I like the show but it overrated.
Some people who are gen z think that this is a first time this series was ever made. Which they never watch or even know addam family movies.
@@kz-gt4py i love ortega but i actually think her acting is awful in this
it felt like a bunch of tik tok moments stuck together for the sake of being viral, im glad to finally find people disliking it like i did. my whole theory was people probably just saw the fun tidbits of it on tiktok or reels etc and never watched the whole series because i cant fathom how anyone would like it as much as the reaction ive seen. i found it meh at best... the actors really did their best for a plot thats as thin as cheesecloth
Referring to what was said at 22:57...Personally as a black girl, it was really nice to just watch a piece of media (especially fantasy) that doesn't talk about racism specifically to black people. Not to say it's not important or that it doesn't deserve any acknowledgement, but I'm just so tired of watching tv to take a break from the racism I see everyday and then seeing it on my screen as well when it doesn't need to apply. However, I do think it's a decent concept that deserved some consideration. And I feel that the mention of the colonization of indigenous peoples is necessary for Wednesday and her character.
i agree, there are already so many movies & shows that are based around or have scenes involving police brutality, slavery, etc & it just gets exhausting & depressing. like gosh WE KNOW, let us have a show without any references to racism. i think those topics should be left to documentaries, adult movies & the like, not teen fantasy media
I agree. It always seems so forced in tv shows/movies, too. Like no one is having a nice day out at a Starbucks when all of a sudden, the POC character bursts out into song or whatever about racism. Yes, conversations need to happen, but POC people exist outside of racism.
Maybe it's not an apt comparison, but I'm sick of so many shows having the sexism talk. There's a time and place for these things.
@@rosebudkiss"we shouldn't have racism in shows because it makes me sad" is such a lame take.
Wednesday is literally about a school for marginalised people. You just want themes about marginalization to be superficial to make yourself feel better
And a lot of people clearly don't know about it, if racism still exists today
I don't think this show did it in a good way tbh. It took the colorblind approach and just didn't acknowledge any of the characters races at all while having the show be about marginalised people and also having minor themes of social justice. I specifically remember a scene where Morticia tells the mayor, a black man, that he doesn't know what it feels like the not be believed, when historically this did and does happen to black people. A lot of the reason Dahamer killed as many people as he did is because the authorities didn't believe the people of colour that reported him.
totally disappointed that they missed the joke of the originals that they’re this super “weird” family and part of that is how loving and caring their family is and then, as you said, wednesday despises her mother especially and follows the trope of a stereotypical child-parent dynamic. would’ve been so much funnier if enid would go on about her family struggles n when Wednesday was asked about hers was like “oh my family is great”
I think that Wednesday having troubles with Morticia was so stupid because 1) of the whole "the Addams are the reverse of normal families which hate each other" thing you said and 2) IT DIDNT MAKE ANY SENSE! Because Wednesday was constanly "Mother youre trying to turn me into you" or "My parents sent Thing to spy on me" when Morticia never intended any of that. Like if they wanted to have her turn Wednesday in a version of her they should have shown her how for example, she makes Wednesday sign up for the fencing club (in the show she was more like "hey there's this fencing club I used to be a part of, how cool" and not "Wednesday you must be a team captain") and it didn't feel like Wednesday was living in her parents shadows because literally no one referenced them because only the principal knows them and she doesn't care if Wednesday is in their shadow. So the whole conflict was so pointless. They literally made Morticia look up for her daughter and Wednesday having teen angst or whatever, which is not the point of the Addams family.
YESSS
let's go even further: wednesday doesn't explicitly say that her family's great because they're what sets her standard so it's just "fine and normal". but enid's definiton of normal is the typical teenage angst rebelling against the parents etc so for a moment she goes, "so you understand, right?!" and that's when wednesday drops the, "no. when you tried to sneak out at midnight you struggle to find the keys your parents hid and they scold you when they figured out what you're trying to do. when i try to sneak out it's a battle of wits and deadly traps between my family and i where in the end the keys are presented in a prize box. i nearly got my head cut off one time. (pause) my brother learnt everything from me, but he's not as good. yet."
i mean of course the sneaking out scenario's pretty basic, but hey. just throwing an example. :p
I really wish Wednesday had been portrayed as aromantic/asexual in this adaptation. the love triangle plot was extremely stupid and I think it makes sense for how her character has been portrayed if she didn't have any romantic interest in anybody. teen shows seem to have this need to show romantic subplots and I find it somewhat exhausting as an aspec teen.
I cannot agree enough!!
I read that's how Ortega wanted it to be....thats why the triangle feels SO one sided between the boys and Wednesday
Agreee
Especially when it gave nth to the story
She didn’t seem that bothered when she knew the truth lol
Why add that subplot if ur not gonna have the character have a real reaction to it
As an ace person myself, I relate alot to Wednesday. The "love triangle" was too cliche and annoying.
As a normie adult, I find it exhausting also lol. Not every story needs a romantic angle for it to be interesting (usually makes it less so imo).
As a fan of the '64 show, I agree that it was a little too clean cut, but it held a power that recent versions seem to miss: The Addams family are actively trying to be good people in their own way!
There's an episode where a couple robbers start looting the house and Gomez, ever the host, offers them more. Or when the new neighbors are scared of them ad claim they have to move for work, so Gomez buys the company so they can stay. Even the way they get a psychiatrist for Pugsley instead of blaming him. They're always talking about being tolerant of their "Strange" (aka conformist) neighbors, and trying to understand their lifestyles
Can't agree with you more! What vowed me about this series was how much they adored, supported and respected each other, and how welcoming they were to people. And yes, the episode with Pugsley going all boy scout illustrated so well how much Gomez and Morticia were willing to work to accept their children and make them comfortable. I wish more shows had similar family dynamics!
Yea dude. And just rebooted wednesday as a pretentious brat who hates people
I think their charm was always to be extremely well functioning family but in the weirdest of ways and with a dark twist. I was baffled when in the series Wednesday was so upset about a serial murderer monster, like shouldn't that be her absolute favourite thing? Didn't she legit attempt a murder in the very first episode?
my issue was that every issue she was faced with got solved SO quickly. she’s kidnapped? oh don’t worry, she’s so much better than everyone else that she’s already broken out of the handcuffs. And they try to add an obstacle with a school lockdown but it doesn’t EVEN matter!!!
Yeah the Addams family thrives the most when contrasted to regular suburbia, I think the story would've been more interesting and memorable in a regular school and have outcasts be less of a collective and more like rogue individuals that inhabit the world. Plus the love triangle really didn't make any sense, mostly because there was zero reason for Xavier to like her and even less reason for Wednesday to like him. He seemed so entitled to her so quickly out of nowhere, it was weird. I also thought Wednesday would be more into Tyler after finding out he was the monster, it'd make more sense for Wednesday as an Addams, unless they made it a matter of her pride but it seeemed more like a morality thing anything else.
But the show isn't necessarily bad, just could've used less cliches.
My thoughts exactly
"You're sending me mixed messages!"
So true to reality. She's been very upfront about most things that her goal is to solve the mystery and she never flirted or did anything to lead them on, yet here they are complaining like it's her problem or fault.
I just wish they'd kept her genuinely not interested in either boy and called them out on seeing signals that were never there. She never feels like she likes either of them until towards the end where there's a hint of feeling something with Tyler
yeah and how they feel entitled to her affection was gross, i hated how we were supposed to treat them as love candidates 🤢
@@ashleybow I was waiting for them to be called out on it the entire season. So frustrating.
@@lrizzard 100%! I only understood when they were upset about being lied to, that was it.
@@ashleybow Honestly they only did that so it made his reveal more dramatic, I guarantee she doesn’t like either of them
One issue I had w the series was the incredibly strange choice to send Wednesday to therapy. In the real world therapy is great and often necessary, but if you send Wednesday Addams to therapy, you’re telling the audience that there is a distinct possibility that her unique behavior and mannerisms are a result of serious mental illness and trauma. And then suddenly the whole concept starts to fall apart. Her spookiness is no longer fun or quirky if it’s something that is making her life miserable.
I thought exactly the same!
The thing that really frustrated me about the therapy bit was that it wasn't well handled at all. The therapist is completely undermined by the writing and is not a good representative of what therapists should be. I would love for her therapy sessions to have been more effective to the character arcs and plot. I also would ABSOLUTELY adore if Wednesday was open to therapy as a whole
@@srtatropicalia i totally agree, I think there’s a possible world where Wednesday goes to therapy, but in my opinion if she does it needs to serve as a way for her to ACCEPT her spookiness, not to confront it. The show itself tells us in no uncertain terms that the spookiness is a stand-in for marginalization. Having her therapist also challenge her quirks in the way a therapist would challenge symptoms of trauma feels like burton trying to have his allegorical cake and eat it too.
If the therapy bit was for Wedneday to say disturbing things and and scare her therapist it would be funny, but the show clearly didn't intend to be that
In the show its court ordered therapy which was a result of her putting the piranhas in the pool and not getting sued for it. It's not cuz she's weird
I think the name 'Goody' was supposed to be a reference to Goody Osborne, AKA Sarah Osborne, one of the victims of the Salem Witch Trials. I understand the historical pet peeve tho! Family probably wouldn't refer to their own ancestor as 'Goody'. Loved your analysis.
Haha! Yes, this was one of my biggest pet peeves with the show - using ‘Goody’ as a first name for the character, when it was actually used as a title to address a woman at the time. It’s the equivalent of giving a character the first name ‘Mrs’. It felt like the writers did no research on the time period before settling on the name.
The series absolutely destroyed me because as someone currently around Wednesday's age, the fact that she could act like that and everyone still comes back to her and loves her astounded me. I know that if I acted like that, no one would want to help me and that if they made the mistake of doing so, they'd never come back. But no matter how much she hurts them, everyone always comes back to her and showers her with love and glorifies her extensively. Every time I finish a new episode I see it, and it hurts because I know that even though I find some of myself in her, that I could never be appreciated the way she is for doing less than the bare minimum.
Its because she’s pretty. Pugsley couldn’t get away acting like that and the authors knew it and made him a stereotypical fat bullied kid even though he was just as sadistic in the movies (yall remember when his hobby was causing car accidents by stealing traffic signs?)
@@sbel6626 true lol. The translation of Pugsley's name here in Brazil is "Ugly"
It's just an obnoxiously painfully written character. Of course most normal people wouldn't put up with that shit and that's good, because abusive behaviour isn't exactly cool.
@@agnessofiacastrocarvalho774 like ugly in english or the translation in PTBR?
YES !! This comment is toooo relatable
Something that always bugs me is how cringy the bullies bully like... life isn't a Disney Show. Makes me wonder if the scriptwriters ever been to school lmao
And the whole "or are you just loco?" "bullying" reminded me of
"Bella! Where have you been, Loca?" girl, I was wheezing! 💀
Right. If the bullying were kept more realistic it could be darker, maybe fitting better with the vibe of the show. But then those characters couldn't get any redemption since we'd already dislike them for being cruel. They probably needed to keep it light enough for that reason
I know I thought we moved on from that from the early 2000s but I guess not
My biggest issue was, like you said, a school full of sorta normal monsters. They spent so much time with them all looking a Wednesday like "Why she so spooky". My husband laughed when i said it was "unrealisitic". But as a card carrying spooky myself, the fact that they made a point to make her the uber weirdo at the boarding school full of outcasts just made me meh about the whole thing.
something that bothered me a lot is that her peers at nevermore thought she was a freak etc. (or at first at least) when you’d think bc they’re all monsters and whatever they wouldn’t be bothered by that it just confused me a little
I feel like it's a decent teen show, but it shouldn't have been named after Wednesday or have anything in common with the Addams family. It should've have been an unique mistery-teen show, but probably they knew it wouldn't have gotten so much attention that way. I think they had the idea of the show, scripted it, put some references about the Addams and call it a day.
Itlotteraly feels like it was written separately then they just slapped the addams family name on top and made Wednesday the main character.
What happens is that if they didn't add the Addams Family in the middle, the series wouldn't have had half the audience it had. What really sells here is that it's Wednesday from the Addams Family. So I understand why they did it, even if I don't share it.
Its even worse that now the show is viral and even surpass stranger things’ ratings. I find it really forgettable and wish it never exist but now many ppl will remember the addams family as they r portrayed in this netflix version. I can only hope that ppl will watch the cartoon, the 90s and other versions of the addams family and realize how great they actually r and the differences between the netflix one and the og.
Yeah, the show was kind of eh.
This sould have been called "Nevermore Academy", a light teen supernatural show, not too deep but entertaining. And it looks very pretty!
They all feel like playing outcast dress-up rather than being it. It's a shame it's tied to the Addams both because they don't have the same values (they welcomed everyone, never truly seeing others as outcasts, just different; supportive, smart, empathetic) and because these 2022 characters are now limited by their legacy. Loved the cast, not the characters.
True
nevermore academy: ❌
ever after high: ✅✅✅✅✅✅
I am SO glad that you did this video! At least now I know that I'm not the only one who didn't like the new show. The only good thing in Wednesday was Jenna Ortega :// I think Wednesday Addams wouldn't solve all these murders and she probably wouldn't care about the boys. If they want to put love interest they need to base it on Joel from Addams Family Values (1993), but instead they did this love triangle that doesn't even make sense. I'm very disappointed in Addams Family representation, they also missed the whole point that Gomez and Morticia are good parents, they love their children and really care about them. Netflix ruined Morticia and added "family issues" just for money. The only "Addams" in this show was just the main character's surname. :/
This comment describes my exact thoughts on the show- like- e x a c t l y
The “outcasts” thing is giving very much Jughead’s “I’m A WeIRdo” monologue in “Riverdale”
You’re so right about them not leaning into the marginalization element enough. A lot of shows nowadays attempt to comment on discrimination but don’t commit. I wish we saw more of the Wednesday who was speaking truth about white-washing to the tourists. She’s super intelligent and it could have been a great opportunity to explore the experiences of Bianca vs. Enid vs. Wednesday. One of the most iconic Wednesday moments is in Addams Family Values where she disrupts the Thanksgiving play and turns it into a lesson on the oppression of Indigenous peoples (and gets the other campers to help her)
Also - it would have to be written well. Otherwise you’d get something like She-Hulk lol
Yes they didn't really commit to it and it shows in things like how Morticia said "a man LIKE YOU doesn't know what it is to not be believed", and she said that to a black man, that didn't make sense at all, it seems like they just had in the script and blind cast the actor
@@punkithecat that part. Just so many implications left to our interpretation, and honestly way too generalized
@@punkithecatthat was such a weird moment. Black men were literally murdered because of people lying about them, if anything he should’ve had some actual sympathy for the outcasts. But they made him only care about money and his reputation. How is that coherent with the anti-colonialist and anti-marginalization themes?
Thank you for critiquing Wednesdays wardrobe because I was bothered by how modernised/trendy her wardrobe looked cause I thought of Wednesday as somebody who wouldn’t care about trends due to her non con formative character
They really wasted the opportunity of making a modern casual goth Wednesday. She looks like she shops at h&m.
THANK YOU! I thought it was just me, her wardrobe drove me CRAZY
3:08 Okay but Chaz was ICONIC for using an embalming table as a coffee table, what an absolute creature of a man, truly an inspiration for us all (it's me, i'm Us All)
no i agree mina, say more. i think the parents in the beginning gave away what it was going to be like. in the original movie, the parents were dark and goth but in my opinion they weren't reduced to 'dark stuff is cool and pink is boring' but they actually embodied a set of values and outlook on life
It was funny seeing the thumbnail, because I LITERALLY said to my family while watching this with them, “This feels like Riverdale.”
She nailed it with calling them lazy