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Labour are likely to win the election - but how long will their majority last?
Andrew Marr joins Hannah Barnes on the New Statesman podcast to explain why the threat of Reform UK and the Greens could make life extremely difficult for a Starmer government.
They also discuss the "return" of Boris Johnson, and what Keir Starmer should have said in response to the Jeremy Corbyn question.
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In fairness you can't really expect Labour to talk about progressive tax policies AND "bring people to the centre."
Because when push comes to shove centrists will lean right on economic matters
@@Gordon.Pinkerton Depends what you mean by “lean right.” It has been reported that Starmer’s team has been taking notes on Biden’s economic approach, and that approach has been heavily informed by the inner circle of Elizabeth Warren, who is progressive. Jake Sullivan, the NSA, is also on record saying that “The Washington Consensus is dead.” So if that’s any indication, the center is leaning towards industrial strategy. Perhaps that isn’t socialist, but it isn’s right wing or neoliberal either.
@@ER1CwC Wish the term progressive would disappear it's been so devalued and abused. Use common sense look at the front line-up of the forthcoming administration? all grossly intellectually challenged in the most frightening way, It's purely ideologically driven by emotion and devoid of any content or qualification!!
@@ER1CwCA constant drive towards war, a failure to provide healthcare for all without sick and inhumane exclusions? Most credible commentators on the left and right call Biden a ‘neocon’, although with increasing totalitarianism, corruption, corporate capture of politicians & media, plus increasing censorship makes Biden (and most USA politicians) a fascist by every metric!
@@ER1CwC Warren is hardly progressive
Holy sh9t. Andrew Marr nailing the temperature of politics in this video. He suits this format more than being at the Beeb!
Capital gains tax. Remove VAT tax break on private education. Claw back the PPE billions. Make regulators like Ofwat truly independent rather than recruiting stations for water companies and let them fine them. That's for starters.
Tax non-resident Brits. The US taxes everyone - if you choose to live overseas, you still have to pay tax to the US IRS (usually reduced by whatever tax you pay to place you live - in other words, there's no double taxation, but there's no net benefit to living in a tax haven). Ex-pat Brits should pay like anyone else.
Yeah, I can't fathom why capital gains tax is lower than income tax. That just seems like penalizing hardworking people and rewarding people who are lucky.
@@andybrice2711 it’s low because a lot of traders in the City are paid so they are not liable for Income Tax but Capital Gains Tax :-)
The clever little munchkins
Just to illustrate how unfair Council Tax is…I live in a Band A property in East Anglia worth now just under £200K and I pay over £1250 CT per annum with a 25% discount as a single occupier.
In Westminster a Band D property…modern value around £8 million, pays £973 CT per annum before any single occupier discount
@@andybrice2711 To attract business and investment, provide jobs for ''hardworking people''
Good for you Andrew, thanks for saying what you did about intending to vote for Labour despite your likely increased tax bill, because you want better public services. As James O'Brien says, being in the privileged position of paying higher taxes to support the public finances and services should be seen as a good thing, not avoided!
I thought Labour said they weren’t going to increase taxes!!
I hate how Starmer NEVER ANSWERS THE QUESTION
Why is he so shifty and mendacitous
No competition and a biased media.
Who says we live in a democracy
mariana mazzucato has worked with Labour, she has outlined how a government can invest with private money, how to stop crumbling services, how to innovate in public services with private public companies, like Sweden, yet Labour haven’t told us how they deliver change, instead they have gone to great lengths to tell us its no change its just better management, i say this isn’t enough change if Labour want more than 4 years. If i see Labour employ more consultants to tell us how other corporations can fix our services at triple the cost of a private public company then Labour will lose in 4 years time.
Starmer has missed a trick. The public are in favour of higher tax if it protects and rebuilds public services.
Will they still be in favour when they are in the polling booth with a pencil in their hands?
But the fact is that people do not trust politicians with spending and public services. They're sick of getting taxed more and seeing nothing from it.
No they aren't. the British public is NEVER up for higher taxes no matter what the polls say. The election results of the last 50 years show this
You do talk nonsense. Oh wait you're a leftie lol.
I love Marr's analysis.
I like Andrew Marr for the shear fact that he reminds me how much of a Machiavellian droid you need to be to be successful in politics.. it's so depressing..
Jesus.. he's such a bore
Happy to pay more tax, but not for “more of the same”.
When Labour get in they are going to have a mountain to climb and will the people give them the time to achieve the numerous goals? Doubt it. We expect miracles.
When the two party system is thoroughly decayed and first-past-the-post decides who’s in Government, I can’t see how it’s morally distinct from gerrymandering.
Andrew has just shown us just how inadequate Kier is as a leader
Not sure how, are you posting this hoping people don't watch the video?
If you are in favour of mass immigration, you are in favour of more traffic on roads , more queues in shops, more crowded beaches and beauty spots in summer, more overcrowding in high streets, more overflowing bins, more sewerage in rivers as more people use water and flush toilets, less free seats on trains, and just generally everything feeling more and more busy with each passing year that this madness carries on for. Oh and less and less countryside as.more and more building needs to be done in a deranged and futile effort to keep up. Sounds like a great future.....
Did you know the birth rate is falling and people are living longer .. I ll leave to work it out from there
@davidsimpson8192 .You are not seriously suggesting replacing one problem with a far bigger one and calling it a solution are you?
@@DanPhillips-in6qn So we should force people to have kids so we have taxpayers to pay for the growing elderly population.... what's your solution 🤔
Not true if you live in one of the rural parts of the country that is subject to serious outmigration and a sick, aging population, like much of Wales and many of the hillier parts of the UK. We need more working people with skills who pay taxes. Skilled Europeans would have been particularly welcome.
Really enjoying the insight provided by Marr, I am finding no one else manages to portray the gravity of this election, and how the result may have repurcusions for the evolution of British politics in the coming decade
Left to Marr and his rewriting of history there will be no evolution.. just a cosy little establishment stitch up.
PR coming into play could be one of the best things to come from the next government
Yet it's not a Labour policy
@@keithparker1346 2nd term policy I think/hope.
@@scottroberts4169 why would they change their mind during a first term if they get a huge majority?
@@keithparker1346 1. most Labour members are behind the idea 2. any other party that forms a sizeable opposition will also be keen on the idea 3. If they have a difficult 1st term changing to PR may help them hold onto some seats
@@scottroberts4169 so you expect Labour to be so crap that they will lose their huge majority very quickly?
People who've supported FPTP "because it creates strong majority governments" are now upset about the prospect of a strong Labour majority. You can't have it both ways
An unrepresentative govt with a huge majority of seats compared to vote percentages is bad whatever the party
@@keithparker1346you can't have everything in Life
@@bloodwargaming3662 I expect representative democracy not the cobblers we have
We could possibly end up with the Lib Dems coming 4th in the popular vote, but getting enough seats to form the official opposition, and Refuk Ltd coming second in the popular vote, but getting only half a dozen seats.
If Labour really wants to change things they need to remove the bias towards older people in terms of public spending. Abolishing the triple lock would be a victory for younger working people. Younger working people are paying more tax to service the retired. This is not a healthy economic situation. Labour will win the next election with its support overwhelmingly coming from people below 65. Polls show the majority of pensioners will vote Reform or Tory. So Labour have an opportunity to change things in the way the Tories couldn't.
How is making pensioners worse off going to help young people. It's what the right want to divide and conquer. It's between rich and poor, not young and old.
@@patcampton7163 Abolishing the triple lock would save billions which could be used to pay for more spending on working age people i.e. child support etc... Taxes could be cut for working people. The idea that we can just tax the rich and solve our problems is very simplistic. For a start, the very rich tend to be international, have wealth tied up in assets that are hard to tax long term... We already are taxing higher income people by record amounts.
What about Starmer's dreadful answers to questions about Gaza? He hypocritically refuses to condemn Israel's war crimes while condemning Putin's Russia.
Starmer has corrected himself on that - look at the manifesto agreeing to Palestinian Statehood.
Starmer seems to think that ~31 Palestinians killed in revenge for every Israeli murdered by Hamas is acceptable. It most certainly isn't. He only changed his tune when he began to lose votes. I find this stance weak and unprincipled.
Wales is currently rebranding council tax. Again. England could certainly do this too.
How about you condemning the Palestinian war crimes of 7/10/23.
@@alayneperrott9693 False indignation. So you invent what you want Starmer to think (ie put false words in his mouth) and then you condemn your imaginary Starmer for things that you just invented. Bonkers or what?
A great answer by Andrew for Sir K - and, as Hannah said, a refreshingly honest approach. I am not particularly a Corbynista, but ir was the same refreshing honesty in Corbyn's replies to interviewers which impressed me - such a change from the mealy-mouthed New Labour establishment. I don't think I was alone - remember the tumbling Labour membership numbers before Corbyn, and the reliance on rich donors. Imagine Corbyn had not won the leadership, and another clone had presided over a nearly-Tory shadow cabinet: would they have had the guts to campaign in 2017 with the slogan 'for the Many not the Few'? I'm not denying the 2019 result, but does anyone seriously think that with Starmer (or Blair, or even Mandelson) in charge, the leave-leaning red wall constituents would have flocked to vote Labour?
Largely agree. It's a misunderstanding (deliberate or not) to say that it was Corbyn's economics, or his Leave leanings, that drove people away. It wasn't; it was social issues (antisemitism, for example, but also the original sin style politics of the far-left that wants to punish people for sharing a skin colour or sharing a biological sex with a small minority of historically oppressive people), and foreign affairs (his beliefs - still not disowned - about Russia and NATO, Islamist terror groups, nuclear deterrent and the like) that killed Labour. Rightly so, as world affairs shows us not monthly, not daily, but hourly.
But as utterly misguided as I find much of Corbyn's beliefs*, he was/is a vocational politician rather than a career politician. That enthused a lot of voters - the very same kind of voters that the likes of Trump and Farage have enthused (many would say duped). That is to say, disaffected people who would otherwise probably be non-voters. None of those three populists give the sterile pat non-answers that are regurgitated day in, day out by other politicians. That's a large part of their popularity and goes a long way.
*Arguably, I was enthused as a disillusioned voter by Corbyn when he first became leader. It was just as I learnt more and more about his beliefs that my eyes were opened.
If PR happens, Greens will have the biggest jump
Unfettered Marr is the best thing in Politics, along with John Crace
You’ve just made me feel nauseous. Marr is rewriting history, with a pleasant and very acceptable, to the establishment, face. A true propagandist, subtle but effective.
Yes people say they want services improving. But they don't want to pay more TAX.you can't have it always. Give up dragging up Jeremy Corbyn
Agreed. I think people (at some point) have to realize that Br£xit has something to do with where we are.
@@rw31415 theres so many area's the tories are wasting cash, and creating stagnation in the economy. when the books are opened i think it will terrify labour at first, but they will find lots of scope to unlock the economy, some/ alot of that comes from brexit. a deal needs to be done with the EU! so I'm optimistic!
The tax burden is at its highest since WW2, yet public services have never been worse.
Your argument would hold water if taxes were historically low, but they aren't.
We can't just tax our way out of the problem.
@@kzm1934the problem has been and continues to be austerity, if we don't increase spending then things will continue to get worse. A lack of investment has stagnated our economy partially causing that increased tax burden.
@kzm1934 in your opinion, how do we solve the problem then?
Bravo Andrew for saying what most intelligent people have been thinking and saying for years. The key reason why our European neighbours have a better infrastructure, leave fewer patients standing in the rain and pay more attention to cultural heritage is because they have higher revenues. Why? Because taxation levels are higher. Their politicians explain this simple connection to the electorate. Unlike the Tories who trot out their mantra of ever lower taxes. Unlike the pitiful Labour Party which under Starmer has done nothing but ape and echo what the Tories say and do. Labour the tax-and-spend party? Own the insult, Starmer, and for once spell out the need for more money from higher taxes. Oh yes, and while you're at it, recognise that Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster and needs to be corrected.
God forbid that a politician might have an opinion. A political opinion at that.
Delivery is the most important thing for people. I know it's dry but all political parties should make this core to how they present themselves to the country: how can you deliver (management structure, process reform, target making or incentives etc.). People are turning to extreme parties because the parties in the middle have not prepared themselves in how they can realistically achieve their stated goals, and have focussed instead on ideological positioning.
In fairness it's gonna be tricky to talk progresaive tax policies whilst simultaneously "bringing people to the centre."
And courting billionaires
How's "holding the centre" working out for Macron and Schultz?
The political class lost touch with the electorate a long time ago.
Well said Andrew. 👉 voters talking to pollsters in 1992 " oh yes Kinnock has the right idea, we need to pay a little bit more tax to get the country back on track and ill be voting Labour " but....in the voting booth 💭 thinks " my house is worth more now than 5 years ago and I feel richer, maybe next time, once I've paid my mortgage off and anyway I work hard and they'll just give money to the unemployed. So Tory it is then. "
At some point since watching Marr interview Chomsky I have gained enormous respect for Andrew Marr. His wide-arc description of the state of Britain is so brutally outside of any single issue that politics generally has reported, but it is easy to criticise when it is in post-BBC years that you get to finally hear it.
To rebuild properly, Labour needs to shift left.
The public seems to want to have their cake and eat it. They want services and to not have to pay for it.
The tax burden is at its highest level for 80 years and you expect us to willingly pay more?
He’s too well off to understand people even in higher tax brackets are already struggling.
its still only 37%? same as Germany?the highest is 46% in France, with about 15 countries between us and France. we were 33% based on 2022 numbers!
@@shaun906 And yet Germany has largely better infrastructure, bigger industry, an effective health service, far fewer potholes, cleaner waterways, and an all round better functioning state. Clearly there is something deeper at play here, or is your solution just tax, tax, tax?
@@Clifftop_Studios But people refuse the solutions and labour isnt offering them. Germany has non nimbyphilic planning laws, you try and tell people they are going to eat into green belts etc that is logical for better infrastructure, new rail lines, new hoem etc... things dont get done becausse they take to long or can be blocked or posponed by ridiculous people.
@@Clifftop_Studiosbecause there isn’t as much corruption in Germany
Labour must stick to its principles. Holding the centre is just a cop-out - it diminishes the party and playing to the lowest common denominator of trying to please everybody will fail in achieving anything.
so who represents the left of the electorate?
When bankers, big corporations and the rest get bailed out, it comes from the public coffers and we don't have any choice in it: too big to fail (allegedly)
Socialism for the rich, serfdom for the poor, that is all neoliberalism is.
1:55 The public are hypocrites. Kinnock was caught out, Starmer won't be.
"A Labour government must hold the centre". Who decides what policies define the "centre"? If you are against mass migration and also in favour of nationalisation of critical infrastructure such as the water industry are you "left", "right" or "centre"?
Reform wants to take away your rights on employment working conditions. You could get sacked and no employment law. Read reform .
A Labour Government can’t hold the centre ground. It will avoid the rebuilding except in a few areas. Most of us know ways in which the NHS could be rebuilt, and that it will probably have to be a Labour government that will do it. (Remember that Blair’s ‘ reforms’ were really messy ‘public private partnerships’ that were always just putting off the cost and these are wrecks now - for the most part). However in order to do this he will choose to leave all the nonsense on gender . Women (andmothers) ought be really wary…
Close tax loopholes available to those who earn huge amounts and who pay little or no tax. Recover PPE payments for the rubbish that was purchased.
Vote Reform 🇬🇧
You should have been PM Andrew Marr, after I heard what you would have said in Sir Keir's shoes re Jeremy Corbyn question posed by Nick F. Wisdom and genuineness❣ such is lacking with people in powerful political positions...
Andrew, it seems possible that Labour will focus tax increases on the high-income corporations and the wealthy. A kind of Robin Hood tax - - that's what I'd love to see from "across the pond."
Robin Hood was a myth and so are Starmers promises. He could play the role of king John.. he may well play the role of king John, there won’t be anyone to stop him. And the poor will become poorer. He’s like the Clintons compared to Bernie.
Labour have ruled that out
@@keithparker1346 Well, if so, I hope that they will rethink their position on that.
@@robinstevenson6690 it's unlikely
Bodger back to remind the electorate of his Brexit lies, parties, incompetence during Covid killing our loved ones😢
I simply cannot agree with you Andrew that you expect higher, even much higher taxes and ask us to expect the same. The tax levels currently are high, the problem with each and every government, this one especially, is the misdirection of spending of our taxes and the blatant steadfast refusal to tax the rich and ultra rich and super companies so that the burden of the workers to pay what seems like it all is lifted and those that really could make a difference in the countries coffers do so. Who is going to look beyond the taxation of work and workers?
I agree. I was digusted with Andrew Marrs excuses for Starmer.
Andrew has just demonstrated how inadequate Kier is as a leader
The govt takes too much in tax or growth in debt. They need to focus on core needs and spend better.
How does rebanding council tax level up north south???
I pay my tax to my council based on the relative value of my house in the 90s as a proportion of my council’s budget. My tax payment will not subsidise someone in the north of the country. Until I see a comparison of the relative value increases between bottom and top end properties to ensure the bottom end does not get stung I don’t think I would support this change.
I plan to vote labour because the conservatives have destroyed our local infrastructure through their local government budget cuts - no public conveniences, no police, pot holes; failing councils etc while at the same time passing laws requiring more local expenditure. In the USA local government can ask their electors for more money for schools etc without having to ask central government. Finally, the conservatives have sold off our strategic infrastructure (water, power, gas, etc) to enrich themselves and their sponsors.
You are going to be very disapointed. Conservatives fucked the country, but labour are now bought and paid for by the exact same people so nothing will be fixed.
You raise Corbin I give you Truss, Boris et al.
Come on kier we know you will do it!
But the Tories have raised taxes than ANY government, so Labour doesn’t need to break our banks. They just need to shift the money going to squalid, rich, tax dodging none-doms and businesses FROM them and TO the NHS, Education and Housing.
Reform ❤
I'm surprised Anna Soubry hasn't opened her big mouth again!
Labour are not a centrist party - they are far left
Tax levels are already ridiculously high
Far left 😂
Left wing means high taxes. Taxes are high. Therefore the Tories are left wing. 🤔
Could an explicit property tax (exempt up to 500k per person for example) help alleviate the council tax burden and fuel levelling up?
Bravo Matt well said ?!
I'm looking forward to a Labour government: higher taxes, worse services, more migration and infighting that will make the Tories loom sane.
Trouble is, what is considered the centre has been moving steadily rightwards for the last 30 years...
Happy to pay more tax...but not for private, outsourced services. Also, tax wealth and corporations properly. Plenty of 2nd homes, Bentleys, Lambos and Ferraris suddenly popped up round my way, so somebody's alrite, jack.
Reform wants to privatise the NHS similar to the American style of health care you pay. take a good look at reform
Absolute nonsense Andrew.
Why can't I vote for Marr?
If you look at the past 25 years the tax base hardly moved from 33% till Sunak took charge in 2019 since then it's jumped to 38% , the big change was Osborne adding +5% to VAT to start on the relentless rounds of trickle down tax changes which were supposed to stimulate growth but never did.
Sunak has followed the Osborne playbook to a certain extent there's billions salted away in what I'd regard as trickle down cr*p and cuts to public services including capital investment in rail and energy.
Everyone also needs to be aware any Tory tax cut is going to be paid for by shifting the pension age to 68
Labour hold the centre.....They're supposed to be a LEFT WING Party!!🤣🤣🤣
Did'nt the Institute of Fiscal Studies state there will be a decline in our standard of living, running into 2028. Starmer has promised there will be no wealth tax. So with an increase in taxes i guess its the Middle Class in the cross hairs.
I doubt it and I hope not. Reeves has said that most of us are already paying too much tax.
Should the argument be made that labour, should they win this majority predicted, needs to put out a report detailing the slow deconstruction of various British Government sectors by the Conservatives. Allowing them to point a finger post election, and propose the changes necessary in a way that is digestible by as many as possible ?
The public expects govts to sort out problems not blame the previous one
I think your local and regional administrations should be funded by a separately accounted-for income tax. Canada does this for regions (provinces) although it's integrated so the federal government collects the tax and sends it down without question.
It is just lazy to assert that the necessary re-building simply requires higher taxes. How about pressing the Labour people on the measures they will take in order that the tax moneys are effectively spent. How and what is rebuilding? I don’t remember any serious commentator pursue this issue, talk about meeting targets, reducing waiting lists etc is not about how it is to be done. Effective governance has been swept away by the hunger to be elected.
I think that the current, realistic leadership of Labour have finally come round to the idea that the electorate are not necessarily nice people.
Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world. (W B Yeats)
Great Britain need a party that will challenge status quo nonsense (money wasted to the French/Rwanda/hotel bills, banksters/net zero hypocrisy & vested interest groups and corruption), lower British people's tax burden and defend our public interest . Will vote Reform UK
lol your being conned, i wish you could see it? oh wait...brexit?
Hillarious that you actually think that anyone voting for reform are been conned 😂
@@nicolanolan2561 so go on then? how are these policies going to be implemented, for a start? its not even a political party, its a private business with no constituency offices. they are Tories in wolf clothing using bots. your voting tory lol
andrew makes the case he wants to pay more tax. for most, people are living pay cheque by pay cheque. So, a bit rich coming from a multimillionare broadcaster. Not least, tax rates are the highest theyve been since the late 40's. Its not about more public spendings, its good governance,.
Andrew Marr is saying the well-off like him should pay more tax. And absolutely - the lower and middle income earners already pay too much tax.
He is saying the rich should pay more.
Bang on in his opening comments about being bolder and more honest about taxation for rebuilding the decimated services.. people in the main would be on board and its something to be positive about and enthuse the electorate about .. played way to safe in my opinion
Labour goverment needs to move overtion window more to the left like most of europe.
Rachel Reeves is looking very confident & comfortable with situ. - Can’t help thinking she’s identified a pot or two of money & maybe won’t be raising new taxes for a while.
No she just likes the limelight.
Vote for the Citizen Independents or The Workers Party of Britain or Reform to end the reign of the Uniparty Criminal Collective on Independents day 4th July 2024!!!
9:09 He doesn't have an incentive to help the conservatives now. HIs time would be after they lose. If they lose to labor then he would have an opening to return.
Starmer labour = Jeremy corbyn labour
(Starmer labour NOT Tony Blair labour )
Come on kier we are all waiting for you!!
SHOES + X
Well said, Mr. Marr.
They’ll understand it until it hits them hard in the wallet. Where is all the money going? We’re being taxed to the hilt.
The whole discussion around taxation and spending is dishonest from both parties. It also encourages the kind of dishonest politics and nonsense interviews we see where people 'refuse to rule out' of 'currently have no plans to'. Make the honest case and let people decide. I can't believe after 14 years of Tory rule people wouldn't welcome that. Labour are currently creating a rod for their own back and at the same time alienating a part of their base.
A Labour Government is almost a certainty. If you want to voice your opinion, then you need to vote and get involved in the democratic process. If you think the system isn't working, then do something about it, rather than do nothing but moan!
The UK has had enough limp twisted policies.
Vote Reform...you know it makes sense...
It’s so far at the centre, it’s in Middle Earth
I'm an outsider, but isn't it true that any (shadow) cabinet consists of reprisebtatives from all factions in order to ensure stability?
They have a voice but no say in anything. It’s ..let’s pretend we’re a democracy.. bags I be in opposition.
It's alright for Marr who can afford to pay more tax. Most are not so wealthy. Rich socialists are hypocritical. We are all hypocritical to a greater of lesser extent. Marr is one of the greater. Only the better off can afford to be so content to pay more tax... perhaps it will only mean three holidays a year and a new car once ever 6 years instead of 4.
Boris Johnson is a joke
I will also vote Labour with the expectation that they will need to find ways to increase tax revenues - hopefully as the economy grows, but maybe by taking more from the well-off. If I have to pay more tax then so be it.
I think Keir Starmer should have said that if Corbyn had won and offered him a role, he would have considered what he could do to shape poilcy and the party.
You don't systematically kick out all your left wing MPs while welcoming in Tories if you intend to be the centre. It's a return to Thatcher, just smart enough to not say the quiet parts out loud.
they were far left, who were ideological purists. that's not the centre? each leader does the same?
@shaun906 each leader doesn't do the same. Blair did not purge leftists from the party like Starmer has. Corbyn did not purge people more to the right of the party or deselect them.
@Gordon.Pinkerton yes he did? look it up. report from the independent 2016.
Jeremy Corbyn has been accused of launching a purge of his Labour enemies after his campaign published a “hit list” of the 13 MPs most critical of his premiership.
It includes current deputy leader Tom Watson who described Momentum as a “rabble”, and also highlights Jess Phillips who is accused of swearing at Mr Corbyn’s ally Diane Abbott.
@@shaun906they weren't far left. Even Corbyn was centre left. Starmer is not centre, he welcomes Tories, and not even decent ones. He is status quo personified. He has changed labour into another right wing party.
@@patcampton7163 At last someone with their eyes open.. thank you!
All this podcast does is make excuses for Starmers lies.
there are no lies? I'm sure you've changed your mind to the circumstances your in. eg i promise to take my partner to Greece, if i get made redundant and cant afford it, do you get called a liar? that's your logic lol
@@shaun906 Starmer said in a March interview with LBC that the investigation into Diane Abbott was ongoing. Months later Victoria and Derbyshire and Newsnight revealed that the investigation was concluded in December of last year.
There's a Starmer lie for you.
@@shaun906 if Atlee had used the same logic the NHS would of been strangled at birth. Let’s see how much money he can find from the magic money tree when it suits.
Well the establishment are backing Starmer, and he is just another neoliberal. Thatchers love child.
Not a fan of Barnes, she strays a little too easily into her own opinions flavouring her views. Harder to trust her claims as a result.
The usual right wing line posted by Tufton Street- Corbyn was elected as leader therefore, unlike many in momentum he was loyal to the leader because its about the labour party, not just one leader.
Labour took my loyalty for granted whilst casting slurs and smears on the centre left and left members and voters. They don't deserve my vote.
Kier Starmer kier Hardie
Fromage, the mini me - Trumpist. Mr tweedy. His only value is to further reduce the Tory vote.😊
This is a fascinating election, the support for various parties demonstrates the need for proportional representation. There are a number of similarities between this election and New Zealand political swings in the 1980s leading to the population voting for MMP where our 120 seat parliament has 80 electorate seats and 40 seats for party list members to provide proportionality. Since 1996 our governments have had the support of the majority of voters. Time for change!