Techniques for Machining Straight Deep Holes -- SHOP GEM --
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2020
- This video shares some solid techniques that will allow you to drill straighter deeper holes on the lathe and do it with less effort. I'll introduce you to what a diamond pin is, and show you why it works. This one is long, but well worth a look. Check This One Out !!
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please don't teach this for a living ugh.
Anyone care to educate this guy? I'll pin the comment.
@@joepie221 Just drop the first few minutes next time super scholar. Thanks
@@joepie221 Meaning if I want to take a nap. No doubt you have good info in there just started out weird is all. If you are insulted then I'm sorry.
I personally love Joe's videos!!
@@oneshot700 I liked this video. Took me back to reading Ptolemy in college talking about cords and conics.
Hello Joe,
I have run my own shop for 20 plus years. I'm writing to tell you how much I admire the care you put into your videos, and the clarity with which you present your ideas and concepts. There are many people out there who will benefit from your efforts. Keep it up! Thanks.
I really hope so. Thanks.
He got a haircut and shaved too.
Joe I’m one of those guys that will forget everything you tell me unless I know “why”. Your explanations and theory at the “board” are very helpful to me..
Hi Joe, again a great lesson. And allow me this comment just because you have mentioned that you don't want this video to be boring: actually, beyond the importance of seeing the real details, I very much appreciate to see that some things simply take their time and that therefore I don't need to feel like I'm veeery sloooow when doing similar stuff. In fact, most of the time youtube folks show this kind of "boring" footage in quick motion only and basically reduce everything to a nice, shiny chipmaking show. Instead, not only you give us an idea on how long such a job can / must take (even when done by a seasoned Pro) but you also make very good use of the "boring" parts and give us extremely precious "bonus" advice while doing so.
Thanks again for this and ... congrats for the 100K!
Dan
Thanks Dan.
Hey Joe, wanna' thank ya' for taking the time to post this up.
For the six guys who give this video a 'thumbs down'... I'm guessing one or two may have been by accident; the rest were probably simply to keep machining videos from showing up in their UA-cam feed
Because, the value of the content here is top notch.
When you figure that shop time - any shop with trained personnel and decent equipment, anywhere in the US in 2020 - is damn hard to come by at $100/ hr, and that's based on the average guy in the average shop... not the highly experienced guy in the shop who can do the troubleshooting and tricky stuff...
I've sat through a lot of lessons in the years that put a hell of a lot less value into a whole lot more time
Thanks for the comment. These do take some effort to deliver.
I really don't understand the square hole thing, but everything else was blowing my mind. The quick retract of the drill by using the carriage and tail stock was exceptional. Love it
Glad you liked it!
Right on Joe as always! Having worked in the automotive industry for many years, drills got the metal out, boring bars positioned the hole, and reamers gave you diameter and finish. Many people always wanted to skip a pass or two, with little success. When holes had to be deep, straight, and with a finish, gun drills were used, like on automatic transmission valve bodies. Gundrill geometry is very unique and contains parts of the three tools above, in one tool, but is not for the average machine shop. Gundrills require a hardened drill bushing to start the hole, high pressure coolant (~1000psi) to move the foil-like (
That was one of the most useful engineering videos I have see. Thanks for taking the time to do this. A lot of people are benefiting from your efforts.
Glad it was helpful!
Joe, this had me glued to the chair. 45 minutes went by like it was 10 or less. I was just recently (like last night) wondering about "rifle drills" and such to get a good straight hole. Thanks!!
Good content. I worked PT as a Tool & Die machinist (apprentice) while studying engineering. Appreciative of the patience & knowledge my mentors shared with me. With 40 years of Mfg / Construction experience behind me, it's great to see other pass-along great detailed work instructions such as this UA-cam video. Well done sir !!
Thanks. I think its important to pass along good advice.
When I was in school I worked weekends and summers for a Master Tool & Die maker (friend of my father), and this was in the Mid-Late '70's. SO Much of what you cover reminds of "knowledge" I'd forgotten! Thanks for putting in the time and effort to share all the things that aren't in "The Machiney's Handbook" or anywhere else! I put in a good amount of hours on a Bridgeport, a Hardinge, and a big gap bed Graziano. Back then CNC was in it's infancy, so I never learned any basic programming, But I still get people who found out from 'This or That guy" that I have a tooled shop in my Garage--(although I've never "worked" as a machinist)...And it's nice to be able to find not only things I've forgotten, but SO much more!
Very Generous of you to share--Huge Thanks!
I appreciate the comment. thank you. I'm glad to be able to do this.
I really like people, who know what they're doing. I'm a precision mechanic myself. Best job in the world. Gives me smiles every day!
Watching good machining videos never gets boring. Joe I would have watched you finish that hole in real time n all. Caus I get it!
Thanks!
Thanks for the comment.
This isn't just solid gold. This is solid platinum knowledge. For such a simple thing you've provided us with so many hints and things to think about. A total winner of a video. Thanks so much for sharing your years of experience both in this and all your other videos. It really helps us hobbyists.
Thank you. I've wanted to do this video for a long time. Glad you liked it.
You are an excellent teacher. This lesson is among your best. Thank you for taking the time to share it with us.
You're very welcome!
Wanted to add that my father (now 88) taught me that carriage bump technique when I was 10 years old, and I've used it all my life. What's new to me is the virtual creation of a precision, concentric guide bushing with the center drill, drill, bore, ream sequence you detailed here... fantastic! BTW, I used Anchor Lube years ago... a bottle was given to me by a sales guy for lubing rubber that was to be die-cut. It worked great for that, but I never knew it could be used as a cutting fluid...gotta go find some!
This is the kind of experience that comes from years of dealing with daily issues and being successful.I really like the way you explain yourself😁
Thank you. I used to write technical manuals so I try to be aware of every important detail.
Thank you for this. I have had so many failures trying this. I especially appreciate the 'chalk talk'. I like knowing why things happen as well as how to fix it.
Me too. It helps the practical really sink in for me.
Joe I have been using your hole techniques now since this video came out, this stuff works great. No more wandering weeble worble lost target. I've changed my drill press operations too based on this lesson.
Thanks from North Carolina.
PS...I'm watching it again to see what I missed.
Will definitely use the carriage stop method in the future. I have always hated the dialing in and out when drilling deeper holes. Another great shop tip and video!
You will like it. SOOOOO much faster.
I wish i had known this 40 years ago!!!!!! But never too late!!! thanks so much!!!!
Thanks for watching.
Joe, I learned a lot from this video, and the demo on how to bump the carriage was worth the price of admission, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Joe, this is one of the most useful segments you’ve done yet! I ate it up. Your years of experience show in the best of ways. Godspeed.
Thank you. I read your bio. God bless you for your strength and resolve. Stay well and enjoy every day.
Thank you for your time and effort. I'm here to learn machining from a true Master. I don't care if you call that guy a morphodite, troglodyte, hermaphrodite, transvestite, or some other word I can't
spel. Joe you communicate wonderfully, I learn a lot from you.
Thank you
I appreciate the comment.
Just did this for a 3.8" deep 1/8" diameter hole and it worked flawlessly. Thanks Joe.
Thanks for the trust.
An excellent tutorial, you've taught me the importance of he bored pilot step - my sincere thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
A masterclass in efficiency, economy and patience. And how much easier it is with well maintained and understood machinery.
This works very well, just keep the oil under the tailstock and it glides like air.
Great Video! As far as drilling tools are concerned you will get better tolerances from a drill with a less aggressive helical angle. The reason for this has to do with the center of the drill and the amount of material left in it to give rigidity. More twist= Less rigidity. there will always have to be a balance between rigidity and chip evacuation. Without TSC in a machine you will never be able to avoid that dilemma. Haas and Mitsubishi have great videos regarding this exact principle, plus the add benefits of Drill Coatings, and the roles that they play in drill selection for any given material to help with tolerances and chip evacuation. Also worth noting: tool tolerances are horrible (relatively speaking) if you can cut parts, you can cut tools. if you want to change the relief angle or distance on a drill, a tool cutter or tool grinder will give you so much more bang for your buck in the shop. DIY works every time for the trained professional.
After failing twice using conventional methods , tried this out and it worked a treat , thanks for sharing Joe !
Priceless insights as always Joe, thank you for the knowledge sir..
Thanks for stopping by Del. Stay well.
Can’t remember the project just a few months ago but had a through hole come out way off center. Got it the second time by slowing down and changing drills but this would have ensured it. Great tip I’ll start using!
I went +.006 over at the top of the hole and +.002 at the bottom just this week I expected +.002 top and +.000 at the bottom. I didn't account concentricity of the drill grind or leave room for finish boring. Thanks Joe.
Another great video from Joe Pie... Good info and well presented. Very useful. Thanks.
Popped up on watch list, glad it did. The carriage stop, I need to use that more often.
This works well, just keep the ways oiled.
Great lesson Joe ! From a s/retired design engineer and former toolmaker. It just came to me that another great way to explain the deep hole drifting (to those who may not easily grasp) is how the oil and gas industry drill holes miles deep and at all sorts of angles into the ground and ocen beds(maybe?)
Enjoy all of your tips and all the youtubers crafts people.
So many subtle techniques were shared. Thanks for taking the time to share.
Glad it was helpful!
@joe Pie You are actually a very good teacher. You make things clear and concise and easy to understand. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I appreciate that!
Great video, lesson, and tips Joe, thank you!
I almost can't wait till I get my first lathe to see how much I have learned from you, I definitely don't have as much nervousness about it as I had when I started watching machine shop videos on youtube. I think you have the best channel for learning, Thank you so much Joe.
3 days late but I hope you had a Happy Birthday.
Actual date is the 19th. Thanks for the wish.
I have yet to buy my first hobby lathe for my newly developing interest in metal working. Approaching retirement from the electrical industry, you and other UA-cam creators in this field have made it interesting and educational, but more importantly understandable for the newcomers. Thanks for the great content. Keep up the amazing work for us still at the start line.
Cheers
Pete' from New Zealand.
I hope my material give you something to remember and improve on. Good luck.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, it is much appreciated
Thanks, Joe. Always a few gems in each clip. I already (probably as a teenager) came up with using the carriage as a depth reference, but your later tip on a great way of quickly re-establishing the drilling depth after changing to a longer drill, by delaying locking the tailstock to the bed, I do now recall (thanks to you!) I used to do when I had smaller lathes, but I need to try on the big machines I now generally run.
It's not enough to come up with these things intuitively, a real teacher will take careful note of such tricks in order to remember AND refine them, and even more importantly, to pass them on.
"Paying it forward" is what got us to the top of the food chain, and you are a master of the art! Thanks again. You really are a treasure to this community of interest, and your generosity is truly admirable.
PS:
On my biggest lathe, your reminder might just give me the impetus I need to add air injection to make the tailstock move more easily. It's not huge, as 5MT tailstocks go, and does not have a gearbox, but it's a potential twisting strain on the back if I was to do a really deep hole.
For instance, I have a 65mm diameter spade drill I made the 5MT holder and shank for which is 700mm long. Last time I used it, it took several hours to take to full depth!
(I don't have high pressure coolant, just high volume flood, and of course there is no pilot hole, so I was clearing it every few mm).
I don't have rapid on the carriage, either, otherwise it would be a no-brainer to use IT to push the tailstock back each time, once the depth started to amount to something. I would lash the tailstock to the carriage with cord, and if I did this, I could use a magnet under the front shear of the bed as an automatic moving depth indicator for stopping the forward motion of the carriage, similar to your original tip, to avoid headbutting the spade bit into the hole and risking making an indent to propagate chatter, which of course is the sworn enemy of spade drills.
I use Allied bits, and I stick with HSS for durability and because they tolerate things like no high pressure coolant and (intermittent) chatter much better than carbide, and I highly recommend them for deep holes in these larger sizes.
Hey, Gottenhimfella,
If you are interested in 'Deep Hole and Deeeeeep Trapanning' have a look at "David Wilks" you tube channel. That will blow your mind.
Just a suggestion.
I appreciate your comment. Thanks for taking the time.
Thanks again Joe. Once again I learned something that I didn't even know that I didn't know! 👍😁
Very helpful! Much food for thought. I am a beginner, but I have sort of used some of these ideas to some extent, but your video ties the different ideas together in a more coherent way. Thank you!😃
Great video Joe, I learned alot. Thanks
Great instructional video Joe.
Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it
It’s funny how expectations change over time. When the twist drill was invented in the latter 1800’s, the twist drill was considered to be the only drill that would drill a round, straight hole.
I know this is an old video but I'm JUST getting into lathe work and this video REALLY cleared up what can go wrong if I only use a drill bit (What I thought was the process) and how to drill all the way through, correctly, and keep it center. Thanks Joe, your "Class room" style videos really help me.
The information you give away for free is appreciated! Thanks Joe!
Pass it on.
Just did this procedure 1/8" hole, 4" deep in P20 all from one end because I wanted to have the confidence in the process when I can't do from both ends in the future. I had to skip the boring bar step because I didn't have one that small. When I got done I flipped it and chamfered the exit. Hole was dead on. Thanks.
Stopped here at the end of the white board lesson. That all makes perfect sense, and unless someone who knows the tricks shares them with you, you will continue to struggle. Joe is a machine shop genius. Anyone who says different is...well...less than genius. Now out to the shop floor to make it happen. Great stuff Joe. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I would pay to work with you for a couple weeks or more. Worth it.
Thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated.
Super stuff, Joe! I wish I'd seen this 2 years ago! Better late than never! Been doing the tailstock gem since I was a kid, but the beginning tutorial was the dope! Thanks for your time and sharing! You've got an old dog learning new tricks! 👍😎✌️
Thirty years ago I had to drill holes 3/8" diameter 24" deep in 2024 aluminum that I was making into aerodynamic probes for the wind tunnel I was working in. I first made a plate wider than the lathe cross slide and notched it to straddle the cross slide then tapped it every half inch and made a steel dovetail block to fit my BXA Aloris tool block with an adjustment screw to fine adjust the height. I cranked the spindle out on the tailstock and with the cross slide ran the hole plate up against the side of the shaft to get it parallel. O aligned the stock on the hole plate with pins and clamps and used an edge finder to center the stock then center drilled and drilled with a stub drill, a standard length drill then a taper length drill which got me in about 6". Then I used a 24" long 3/8" drill that was made for drilling wood lamps that I had silver soldered a 6" extension on.I would drill a quarter inch deep and back out, I only had the one drill and didn't want to risk it breaking it. I didn't use the power feed I just cranked the longitudinal feedback and forth till I was at the proper depth to meet the cross hole that was predrilled. It worked for the two probes I had to make and then I had to make smaller probes that only had a 6" deep hole but it was 1/8" in 17-4 H900 and I broke one drill out of 5 try's, I needed 4 probes.Using the plate on the lathe as a holder for the stock worked great like a horizontal boring mill would have but I didn't have easy access to one so the lathe was great.
Great tips Joe. Thanks
Dear Joe, A pleasure to watch you at work. Just brilliant. God Bless.
Thank you
Always good, thanks. It is always good to hear and see someone from home. I lived in Austin 30 years then moved just outside to Pflugerville for about 20 years and how near Tulsa Ok.
The information of "carriage bumping" is pure genius! I drill a lot of holes on the lathe, this will save me a TON of time! Much Appreciated!
Glad to help!
Thanks Joe, for sharing your knowledge.
Western Australia.
My pleasure!
Wonderful video Joe, thanks so much for what you do!
Glad you enjoy it!
I have been looking for a detailed video on deep drilling for a very long time. Thank you so much.
Glad it was helpful!
Been machining stuff for near 60 years and I learned a couple of things here. I watched because I'm about to build a 1:10 replica of the Constitutions 24 pound guns. Thanks Joe
You might enjoy this. ua-cam.com/video/Xgol2lcN37M/v-deo.html
Excellent instruction, Sir. Always a pleasure to learn from you.
Thanks. Glad to help.
G'day Joe, as always a rippa vid. thanks. The information you share is great and muchly appreciated. I think the reason your vids are so well-liked is that you don't waffle on AND manage to explain all the factors relating to the job at hand. Keep it up. Appreciate the Aussie flag on your whiteboard :)
Given to me by an Aussie.
Thanks for another great informative class Joe. It's greatly appreciated. The knowledge you share with us is priceless.
I'd rather share it, than be buried with it. Thanks for watching.
impressive result and nice theory lesson.. enjoyed it, thanks for sharing. 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the demonstration. Great advice. Never thought that the starting hole using a boring tool would hinder bit wandering. I'm a big fan of using the center drill due to the short shank and the rigidity it benefits from.
Thank you for a very informational video. So much useful info here
Absolutely superb. Thanks for taking the time to make this outstanding video. You never cease to amaze!
Thank you very much!
Great subject for a video. Couldn't be more relevant to whats currently on my mind as I make shop furniture and safety equipment. As I have finally obtained a lathe and a small CNC mill to start learning with. Once again thanks for Sharing your knowledge and experience with us.
Glad to do it. Thanks for being a subscriber. I wish everyone that commented was.
Probably the best machining advice I've ever seen! Thanks Joe!
Thanks for that. It works.
Thanks for taking the time to film this Joe, was great to watch and a fantastic technique to have
Glad you enjoyed it
NIce!
Thankfully your machined holes are rounder than the ones you draw!
No kidding.
Congratulations, you've created the barrel for a 574-gauge short barreled shotgun.
Another great video Joe, keep it up.
Thanks, will do!
lol i use a mini lathe and if i ever need something to be really straight, i just get out my toolpost grinder and my diamond bits. it'll go straight eventually...
excellent video! so scientific, and a great resource for learning about what's actually going on behind the curtain.
Thank you Joe! It took me a paying attention to the way you allowed the tailstock to kick out to avoid the drill grabbing. I'd love to see how to do this on the mill. Have a great weekend!
basically the same, just plunge an end mill instead of boring it, and feed down by advancing the quill nut a little at a time.
What perfect timing that I found your channel. I'm drilling a number 38 sized hole in a 2.5 inch long .276 stock. Awesome stuff
Perfect!
Thank you so much Joe.
I always used to blame my knackered 1950's lathe for not being able to drill straight holes.
Your very clear presentation explains exactly where I have been going wrong.
Best of luck moving forward.
Thankyou Joe. Learned something from you again. Always great videos with good camera work. Mal
Thanks Mal. I'm evolving. Got a new Hero 7 witha lot of good features I plan to begin using. It should show.
Joe, as always I learned something from your video, Thanks for sharing your Knowledge.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks 👍 I learned something about precision drilling holes.
Great advice on drilling deep and straight. I was thinking of boring out a muzzle loading barrel to install a rifled insert (someone gave me the rifle with a pitted barrel) but was concerned about some of the problems that would be encountered. This demo was very enlightening. I'm re-thinking it now. Thanks!
As always, a first class presentation, many thanks Joe.
Glad you enjoyed it
This is by far the best I've seen on this topic. Thanks for sharing your life-long experience with us. I am trying to drill 8.5" 3/4" C360 brass round bar for an oil manifold. I will see if I can do it with the tips you have offered here.
This should certainly help. Good luck.
Thanks for the video Joe.
Thanks Joe. I've a 'back yard' business making a product involving a part with a 5" deep 9mm hole which has to be dead nuts. So much of this is going to save so much frustration & alcohol abuse...
Save the alcohol abuse for the weekends.
Awesome video today and it answers some questions I have had. Questions like, "how did I screw that up?" Love your channel.
Thanks Joe - I picked up several good tips! I can't think of a better way than your videos to disseminate the considerable experience you've accumulated to the rest of the world (literally). Thanks to your videos as well as others on UA-cam, I have been able to learn machining well enough to hit the numbers needed to implement creations and repairs with good success :-)
Thats the whole idea behind this channel. Thank you for the comment.. I'm glad my material helps.
Excelent as always. Thanks Joe.
Your channel is a gold mine Joe! 👍🇺🇸
Glad you enjoy it!
Talk about fortuitous. Normally I don't drill long holes down the axis of parts, but I had to do it today so I could repair my tractor rather than wait for an ordered part. I made two 1/2" dia, 3" long holes that met in the center ... I didn't try gauge pins, but I could barely detect a little ridge where they met. Also I saved a lot of time with the "move the whole tailstock" idea. Thanks again.
Thanks for watching. Its a good technique to remember.
I may never get that precision into my holes, but I will definitely use the "bump the tailstock" part. What I like most with all of your technique videos is that you don't just explain what works, but also the theory behind it. A lot of people will tell you a good way of doing something "because this is what I've always done, and it works", but not actually explain (they may not know, or can't describe it).
I've always found the how makes more sense if you know the why.
@@joepie221 Absolutely. You're doing it right, keep on doing it that way!
It may not suit everyone, but I think that goes for absolutely every thing in the world, that's why there are many kinds of motorcycles, beers, machine shops, youtube channels, etc. We may not agree on the type of beer (If I'm in Austin, I'll get myself a Shiner Bock! Not what I drink in England, as it's almost impossible to get), but I agree with your style of youtube channel! :)
this is exactly what I was looking for.... I'll be doing it on a CNC mill though, so less tedious manual in and out... but he process and tooling is right on. Thanks for posting.
Start tight, end right.
Thank you for another informative Video. I knew there must be a better way and you just showed me!
Glad it was helpful!
Loved it. Nor more useless cranking of the tail stock . Thank you.
keep it oiled and the day goes well.
Definitely a thumbs up here. Thanks Joe and kind regards from John Spargo in Cape Town
Thanks for checking in John. I hope you're well.
I got a lot from that thankyou. good to see the tailstock actions in detail.
Sperry Sun developed a system called Slick Drill for drilling oil wells taking out the spiral typically seen in drilling. They designed a drill bit with a gauge reamer directly above the cutting structure. The reamer needed to be 1.5 times longer than the diameter of the bit. An 8 3/4" bit with the reamer built on was 16" long. Worked extremely well.
Good info. as always ,thank you for showing how.
Double o Joe (00Jπ) hit's the mark once again!!!
Brilliant marksmanship Joe, the drill math was a serious eye opener. Keep the teaching going, you're the best!
Glad you enjoyed it
Really nice Joe!