Your spot on here. Wing chun is more a set of concepts then it is anything else, I also practice bjj & Kali/eskrima. There is so much you can take from wing chun to help you do these arts in a "wing chun way" if that makes sense. Consequently, theres a lot you can then bring back into WC from these arts & teach in for mentioned wing chun way.
Even though I dont believe in blocking with a bong sao, this is the first Wing Chun explaining that i think could work in a real fight. Great explanation and nice techniques.
Randy Williams is great usually. This is not his best video by any means, but I love how he explains things. In reality, people wont give you time to use those kind of techniques, but they are useful basic training tools. What I like about Randy is that he doesnt big himself up or claim to be anything he isnt. He just does what he does and a lot of it is very interesting stuff
Finsih, the system, then spend time around other practitioners out side of your club. Be respectful, ask questions, learn from them. Then decide which system works best for you, & be in a btter position to judge what you think works better. Just keep in mind, what works best for you doesn't necessarily work best for everyone -
It wasn't until I started BJJ at age 50 that I began to understand the limitless, practical nature of Wing Chun. Unable to hit, stick and move or things like gouging, ripping, or attacking fingers and necks I was extremely vulnerable to takedowns by the rules of engagement and their experience in that environment. I had to learn how to grip fight and Wing Chun became my goto. To the point that a Year later my instructor said "You are a hard person to take down." Not that it was a problem for him. LOL. But, when facing blue belts and even some purple belts I was a tough target, and learned how to land on top, regain top position and even scramble back up. elbows in, control the elbows and maintain structure, clear And close centerline, redirect, if your wrist is controlled use the elbow regain control. use the circling of the wrist to escape being controlled even by the sleeve. It can change your game if you are open minded to it. I never trained with Sifu Williams but devoured his content and it's obvious he has both legitimate high level teaching and real world experiences.
I think Randy is probably one of, if not the best wing chum practitioner out there. I remember his videos in black belt, karate illustrated, fighting stars magazine's. before UA-cam. he still just as quick as ever and humble. Thank you Randy God bless.
David Archuleta are u ueffin serious. For 1, Wingchun DOES NOT have headbutts, and 2, where is the simplicity. so many movements to get to one easy strike. he will get his ass handed to him in a real fight, and that effin headbutts ish, WOW
Never understood why people get so critical of a person and/or video on the internet. We all have our own path. Sifu Williams has his... which is different from mine... and different from yours... each is a PERSONAL expression of our PERSONAL art... just because yours may differ... doesn't mean this is wrong. "Take what is useful. Discard the rest." {salute}
It seems to me Sifu Randy has applied all of the movements of Wing Chun with traps,great hands ,low kicks, and take downs. It takes much practice and experience to apply from dummy to reality. Another side of this great art form that has become him .....the water.
Mr Daniels just because wing chun dose not have head butts doesn't mean Mr Williams won't use them as seen in the video. wing chun has ground fighting as well as stand up. I believe Mr Williams has had share of combats especially in the work he's in and has always came out on top. my opinion he's been around a long time, and still is the best in what he does.
I do like that you add the headbutt in there. Seen so many chi sauing and getting so close that they forget they can get headbutted. When I've mentioned it to them, they say oh we are just training for this and that. Train for everything. Good vid.
No le creas al comentario este. Yo entreno el estilo de mi abuelo marcial (Randy Williams) desde 2016 porque mi Padre (shifu) me lo está enseñando y puedo decirte que es un super buenísimo estilo.... Yo me he salvado la vida y me he salvado de intento de violacion y secuestro usando estas técnicas así que no creas lo que está otra persona te pone
Don't memorize technique. Don't think, just do when practicing. Let your muscle memory do the memorizing. Its simple...if you practice it, it'll be there when you need it.
I just want to make sure we're on the same page here. Traditional Wing Chun started with William Cheung, he invented the term, it started with him & for better or worse it is simply his version of the system & not some secret ultra deadly version of the system that he alone was taught by Yip Man.
This is a master class on why Wing Chun fails on the street today. No attacker is going to stand there after he throws a punch or kick and let you counter with an elaborate set of techniques.
Some will. And if they don't, your training will be able to handle whatever he has in mind. And these techniques are not elaborate! Do you even know what that means? They are simple and basic and very efficient, which is the wing chun way.
@@jacobharris954 It's actually sad to watch, everyone pretty much has watched MMA and seen it's effectiveness in real fighting. This stuff is probably ok against a drunk fighter that throws a sloppy non boxing type hook as we are watching. Anyone with any form of training is going to ruin the lie they are being taught unfortunately and possibly get seriously hurt. I studied Wing Chun and quickly moved on to boxing. There is no comparison. Watch the video of the boxer with one hand behind his back that beats a legit Wing Chun master. It's pretty sad. I would think in the next 20 years, traditional martial arts will be almost extinct. Hiding the truth from people is getting harder and harder with the internet. I have seen a million real fights on UA-cam and never have I seen a chop to the neck EVER work. It's this guys bread and butter attack........
@@markb.739 I respect & appreciate your opinion. I just watched the so called WC master. Sorry, but he looked like another sloppy white belt sparring, doing all the typical stupid things. It shows the gap between really applying your training [as boxers do everyday] and just going through the motion. I can tell you that there are 'real' schools of combat that train as boxers & wrestlers do and can apply real Wing Chun or Choy Li Fut. It seems all the dumb stuff hits YT!
@BlackDragonModernCombat that guy in the video absolutely 100% thought his Wing Chun was superior to the boxers style. The problem with Wing Chun today is that everyone is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Wing Chun was designed to fight other martial artists and untrained fighters of the day. Today, everyone is watching MMA, and even the untrained understand advanced fighting concepts. Most untrained Street Fighters are using some generic form of MMA. They are mimicking what they are seeing. Wing Chun is the equivalent of trying to use a Windows 98 computer today. Sure, you can upgrade some of the components but it will never work like a modern computer. It's the same story over and over when Wing Chun artists take on MMA or boxers. They're trying to use an art form for a purpose it was never designed for.
I like the way you Si-Fu Randy demonstrates his technique and help his partner . Other don't do that and that Show me they don't have Control of their move . I'm a TWC Practicer but Si-Fu Randy Williams Good Demonstration .
That's the best way to train, forms need to be trained with correct power in intention - but going slowly refines technique and ensures every movement is correct. Its a good way of avoiding bad habits leaking into your forms.
Finally, traditional vs modified. This argument seems to have been raging for as long as WC has been on the internet. From what iv learned from the community at large & I can give you some links if youd like - William Cheung did not learn directly from Yip Man. That isnt to say he didnt go to his school, but he learned primarily from Wong Shun Leung under Yip Mans guidance. Keep in mind William Cheung has since confirmed this - & this was only Siu Nim Tao before he moved to Australia.
Your hands and center line must match your opponents height, raise your hands for taller people, lower them for shorter, so you're always using your center line on theirs. If they throw just one punch, I would suggest the bong/tan at the same time, then go straight in on your center line. If he throws two punches, go to his outside, using your low kicks to the knees, minding the reach of the opponent and close with a head butt to the nose. Stay off his angles, stay ON yours. Sifu Tyler
Perhaps iv misrepresented myself. Just to put my cards on the table, I do practice WC & have done for a little over 10 years, iv had two teachers, one who I train in with weekly & another who I normally see maybe twice a year due to the fact that we live on opposite sides of the planet & have had many influences from teachers iv had the privilege of crossing paths with over the years. I am actually very familiar with William Cheung, I was simply curious as to what you would say.
Unless iv missed something, your telling me what I have & havent come across. Im telling you that every wing chun system has footwork, it impossible for them not too unless they dont do chum kiu biu jee or the wooden dummy form. Iv studied WC for 10 years, im a certified Sifu, I move around, I ought to know what I do or dont do. Circular and angled footwork is in biu jee, realigning footwork is in chum kiu, inside to outside gate footwork as well as circular is in the wooden dummy forms.
@@worldofmartialartstelevision it’s not just that, it’s your knowledge and creativity! Liked it. Yes, but truly, it’s the fact that your not selling people out by trickling off a technique here n there, you went through a clinic in those videos sifu 🐉
Just to offer my 2 cents, I dont believe in style or lineage bashing - obviously there are bad in both examples, but when it comes to style, to be able to truly criticise I feel you have to be very familiar with it to the point where you have spent alot of time practising that system so that you have a thorough perspective. With regards to lineage, its the same way. Theres growing disparity between WC lineages & everyone wants to believe theres is better, since its all WC you may have an opinion
Hmm, it seems we have some cross over. Samual Kowk is one of the main teachers here in the UK and he spends alot of time in my city. When I first got started it was under Kwok, however I hold no certifications under him as my school broke away from his organisation within a year of me joining. Hes a nice guy and fun to train with - still go to seminars under him if you get the chance. Im not such a fan of his style these days though - more of an expo then a seminar.
On that tan pak. Very good but if you nail him twice his head will fly back and there will be pain? He can't operate the cross under that, so what I do, instead of force on force, is I'll nail him back hand first, front hand last , this puts up a block against a hook punch.
Should hope I'm ahead since I teach them! Lol! To be honest we bring chi sau in quite early, the student need not have learned chum kiu to begin rolling. We view it as a kind of sand box or laboratory to try techniques & concepts as they learn them in a relatively safe environment. We do a class on Sundays which is just chi sau, but people can also spar if they want to. Read gibbons book a few years ago thanks, & I've met James Sinclair. Good guy!
Hmm, maybe. I personally think a bong lap only has a high probability of success if you already have contact as opposed to dealing with an incoming strike - but that me its down to the individual, just because i dont think i can do it does mean another person couldnt. What do you mean by traditional WC master???
to be honest, depending on how your taught - I think 50/50 will present alot of problems in chum kiu, and will continue to do so in Biu jee as well as the later form is your school teaches them.
more complex footwork emphasising realignment, circular footwork and weight transfer are also explored extensively through the 8 Baat cham do forms as well as the Luk dim boon guan. If you lucky enough to have a school that teaches them, they follow Biu jee. Again, I cant speak for lineages I havent practised, but I certainly dont stand still rotating my torso, neither has anyone else iv crossed paths or touched hands with. Footwork is essential to the WC system.
If you master the art of wingchun,you can defeat a boxer,if not,you will be lucky to defeat a good boxer,a good wc teacher like Emin Bozteppe has the answers,he also boxed. Thanks for your question.
what technique would i use against someone taller by a foot and several inches longer in reach. Bong Sau is not working for me against much taller opponents.
Again, I can only speak of what I know. I have brushed shoulders with a few other lineages, we dont all do it the same way, but its pretty close. Im not one to bash myself, but if your gonna sling mud, you may want to look into some of the controversies within your own system. There's a reason it looks so different - its not without a fair amount of criticism.
Whaddayaknow - there's actually groundwork and grappling involved in Wing Chun!! None of which are considered legal for use in MMA matches though, unfortunately.
@@johnevans9242 so, Bruce Lee was delusional? Lolol look bro you take what is useful from every fighting style and apply it. Bruce took most of his stand up game from WC and of course western boxing. WC is the cornerstone of his fighting style. Come on dude, WC it's a good place to start.
@@mightymeatmonsta You are delusional, go into a MMA gym and try out your moves to see if they work and then come back after and tell us how that went for you. You can even see from this video, where he has borrowed techniques from both MMA and BJJ as WT, has an inherent weakness like most traditional arts.
hmm, someone is deleting post. Anyway, at @5:10, the tan/pak defense against a hook really bad. Of course, he is right in saying neither taan nor pak would work alone, but there are single arm tools that will without having to toally give up 2 hand defense/attack and facing. In a 4-gate defense scenario, properly structured and faced biu sau will work without having to commit both hands to defend the hook, which leaves yourself wide open for a followup punch from the other hand.
john smith, Learn to trust your skill,having aquired it,and your speed must truly be honed,develope your punchpower,correct wing chun will provide this,and get in with the first strike...hit first..even if your opponent attacks first,,, ok.. thanks for the question.. john...
Chinaboxer is a great guy, he also does bjj, have spoken to him via email, he talking about poss coming to London for a seminar. Master Wong is hilarious. He loves about 2-3 hours north of me - have never met him but would love to. To be honest though, from what I know of him I think he's more into his tai chi then anything else. The great thing about that it that's it Chen style tai chi & it's really really hard to find anyone who knows/teaches genuine Chen style.
based simply on your observations - some negative, however, iv found over the years thats its always best to reserve judgement until you have either met/studied with said instructor or at least crossed hands with a high level practitioner of that lineage. EG, iv always been Yip Ching with a few examples of Yip Chun & Duncan Leung here & there. Iv never trained with anyone whos trained under William Cheung, from what iv seen, its not for me - but I wouldnt bash without having trained it.
I have no probs with Muay Tai its a great style, & I have no probs talking with people who dont like WC so long as theyve spent time training in the system before they talk about how it doesnt work for them. What annoys me is its harder & harder to have a WC conversation without some troll in a TAPOUT shirt whos probably never trained in anything taking over and talking MMA vs... totally kills it for me.
Don't take what if said as an attempt to diwade you from training under his system. If it works for you - fantastic, keep at it. Just keep in mind you've only done 1/3 of the system, so you may want to keep criticism of other types of wing chun in check until your a bit more experienced. Can William cheung fight? Don't know - haven't ever seen him fight.
I agree with most of what your saying, but depending on how your school teaching everything from chum kiu onwards, the 50/50 stance may give you problems. That being said, if you've got a good teacher then I'm sure he has his reasons & can make it work.
Yea, I was pretty sure that was what you meant, I just wanted to be sure. Do you mind me asking - are you somewhat new to wing chun? I mean no offence by asking that, I'm simply curious. It's been quite a while since I've heard someone bring up the so called "tradional" wing chun.
Well, I think it been pretty clearly established that he learned Siu nim tao & maybe the start of chum kiu whilst in Hong Kong but no more. Im still confused by the terminology thought. By all account William Cheungs claim is that he alone learned the actual secret version of WC (something we know to be un true), what everyone else learned according to him is modified. It sounds as if your using those terms in a different context?
As a matter of fact I didnt. Im confused. I you except that the term traditional is something which William Cheung made up, & that the majority of his alterations are of a non Yip man origin (most likely himself), how do we get to Yip Ching also doing Williams Cheungs version of WC!? Also, to your mind, if you except that Cheung created traditional - where does "modified" come from?
This is what I'm trying to tell you. I do understand the two - very well in fact. I mean no offence, but you haven't finished one version of the system yet, so your not really in a position to say you truly understand any version just yet. Keep in mind, there is no traditional vs modified. This is an extremely effective business model created by cheung. Cheung did not complete the system under yip man, he doesn't have any secret knowledge. He just has his version of the system.
Ah right, I see where you are. The term traditional & modified comes exclusively from William cheung. There is disparity between the WC taught by the various students of yip man but that's a whole conversation in itself. The thing is, as time went on peoples admittance to the yip man club depended on the depth of your pocket. Remember, he had a terrible opium habit to feed. Most of the teaching would come from his seniors.
Yes, William Cheung. As he is the man solely responsible for the divergence between traditional and modified Wing Chun as you call it, and claims to be the only person teaching it - obviously including Sifus registered under him.
I just wanted to add - I havent been following this thread until you started messaging me. In your own words, in what way do you feel the so called "traditional" system created by William Cheung differ from the Yip man system? Why do you feel it's better? What EXACTLY do you mean when you say "modified" as you put it, has no footwork? Do you mean to imply they simply stand still? Again, no offence is intended, its just that you have alot to say for someone who's just started chum kiu.
Its all good as long as you know its coming or you already have contact with your opponent. Otherwide a jab takes .2 of a second to hit you and your eye seeing it and you reacting takes longer than the jab taks to land. A Bong Sao is much to slow. A pak Sao would be what I would use against a Jab whilst using Chi Sao
Cheungs influence of Bruce lees has also been greatly exaggerated by cheung. Remember, he only started making these claims after Bruce and yip man were dead. Bruce's JKD influences/adaptations to his wing chun base came almost exclusively from boxing & fencing.
the weight ratio - to be honest I go back & forth (no pun intended) on this. I think it depends on the preference of the practitioner. Iv seen people who prefer 50/50 as they have done other styles, some for medical reasons as its easier - if your out of range standing naturally or in yee gee kim yeung ma, its 50/50 as its non committal. Shifting into juen ma - for me its about 60/40 with obvious margin for error. I dont like 50/50 for a forward stance & I wasnt taught it that way.
all that shit with he does one move and start a 50 move combo... Jesus guys, wake up. I am not an mma troll. I love wing chun doing it along with other stuff for 20 years
Hayk Amirbekyan the Seef has been bodyguard of Steven seagal Antonio banderas and the music group U2 and now is bodyguard of the metal band five finger death punch and he is their master of that band and you say that he doesn't know nothing about Of wing Chun¿ hahahaha give me a break
Blitzkrieg? you must be confused with the German system,Ewto,i am a Sifu of Ebmas,Dai Sifu Emin Bozstepes system,nothing to do with Blitzkrieg,although i trained it and am familiar with it.You asked me a question i gave you an answer?I know how to fight,i have fought many times,on the street in defense,and in the ring,i have never been defeated on the street,against other styles too in martial arts i also have never been defeated.good luck john.
Your spot on here. Wing chun is more a set of concepts then it is anything else, I also practice bjj & Kali/eskrima. There is so much you can take from wing chun to help you do these arts in a "wing chun way" if that makes sense. Consequently, theres a lot you can then bring back into WC from these arts & teach in for mentioned wing chun way.
I have to admit Randy is more streetwise then a lot of masters
Even though I dont believe in blocking with a bong sao, this is the first Wing Chun explaining that i think could work in a real fight. Great explanation and nice techniques.
I don't care what anyone has to say Randy Williams you are great at Wing Chun you have my respect sir this art is amazing
Yes i'm agree with you
Sifu randy.ive been with you for fithteen years .thank you so much..I need to order another jogger outfit.
GREAT Wing Chun!!! Randy Williams is probably one of the best and most practical out there.
he hasn't a clue what Wingchun is
As far as grappling is concerned, he does. He is still pretty good and his applications still work in the streets.
Dion Daniels wing chun CRCA
mightymeatmonsta is obviously
@@ddaniels2901dd perhaps you know what wing Chun is...explain and tell me what wing Chun is, give me a lineage, name of master, etc.
Randy Williams is great usually. This is not his best video by any means, but I love how he explains things. In reality, people wont give you time to use those kind of techniques, but they are useful basic training tools. What I like about Randy is that he doesnt big himself up or claim to be anything he isnt. He just does what he does and a lot of it is very interesting stuff
Finsih, the system, then spend time around other practitioners out side of your club. Be respectful, ask questions, learn from them. Then decide which system works best for you, & be in a btter position to judge what you think works better. Just keep in mind, what works best for you doesn't necessarily work best for everyone -
It wasn't until I started BJJ at age 50 that I began to understand the limitless, practical nature of Wing Chun. Unable to hit, stick and move or things like gouging, ripping, or attacking fingers and necks I was extremely vulnerable to takedowns by the rules of engagement and their experience in that environment. I had to learn how to grip fight and Wing Chun became my goto. To the point that a Year later my instructor said "You are a hard person to take down." Not that it was a problem for him. LOL. But, when facing blue belts and even some purple belts I was a tough target, and learned how to land on top, regain top position and even scramble back up. elbows in, control the elbows and maintain structure, clear And close centerline, redirect, if your wrist is controlled use the elbow regain control. use the circling of the wrist to escape being controlled even by the sleeve. It can change your game if you are open minded to it. I never trained with Sifu Williams but devoured his content and it's obvious he has both legitimate high level teaching and real world experiences.
Thank you Shifu Williams, this was amazing
I think Randy is probably one of, if not the best wing chum practitioner out there. I remember his videos in black belt, karate illustrated, fighting stars magazine's. before UA-cam. he still just as quick as ever and humble. Thank you Randy God bless.
David Archuleta are u ueffin serious. For 1, Wingchun DOES NOT have headbutts, and 2, where is the simplicity. so many movements to get to one easy strike. he will get his ass handed to him in a real fight, and that effin headbutts ish, WOW
Dion Daniels since when did WC NOT have head butts. Leave your fighting to the ring or your keyboard, and the streets to people who have a clue.
G Sea in any one of the three open handed forms, you not once see a fuckin headbutt
Thank you, Sifu Randy. Nice instruction here.
Randy Williams is a bad ass..
What a knowledgeable man..
Never understood why people get so critical of a person and/or video on the internet. We all have our own path. Sifu Williams has his... which is different from mine... and different from yours... each is a PERSONAL expression of our PERSONAL art... just because yours may differ... doesn't mean this is wrong. "Take what is useful. Discard the rest." {salute}
It seems to me Sifu Randy has applied all of the movements of Wing Chun with traps,great hands ,low kicks, and take downs. It takes much practice and experience to apply from dummy to reality. Another side of this great art form that has become him .....the water.
Mr Daniels just because wing chun dose not have head butts doesn't mean Mr Williams won't use them as seen in the video. wing chun has ground fighting as well as stand up. I believe Mr Williams has had share of combats especially in the work he's in and has always came out on top. my opinion he's been around a long time, and still is the best in what he does.
You are right, David. He is a bodyguard and these techniques have been tested in the streets.
Five finger deathpunch body guard now
Lol. Much like Silat. Blocks are different but the form is similar. Love both martial arts.
I do like that you add the headbutt in there. Seen so many chi sauing and getting so close that they forget they can get headbutted.
When I've mentioned it to them, they say oh we are just training for this and that.
Train for everything.
Good vid.
siempre e confiado en este maestro simple y eficaz y a casa volver entero,gracias Randy williams.
Qué no seas tan crédulo. El verdadero Wing Chun no depende en combinaciones tan complicadas.
No le creas al comentario este.
Yo entreno el estilo de mi abuelo marcial (Randy Williams) desde 2016 porque mi Padre (shifu) me lo está enseñando y puedo decirte que es un super buenísimo estilo....
Yo me he salvado la vida y me he salvado de intento de violacion y secuestro usando estas técnicas así que no creas lo que está otra persona te pone
Im pretty much amezed. Ive been watching some videos and hes a very very good teacher.
I studied under Randy Williams, great sifu, I wish I could have continued.
eres buena honda randi gracias por compartir neta todos deberíamos ser como tu eres a todo dar
Love you a lot shi kun Williams 🖤🖤🖤🖤
Don't memorize technique. Don't think, just do when practicing. Let your muscle memory do the memorizing. Its simple...if you practice it, it'll be there when you need it.
I just want to make sure we're on the same page here. Traditional Wing Chun started with William Cheung, he invented the term, it started with him & for better or worse it is simply his version of the system & not some secret ultra deadly version of the system that he alone was taught by Yip Man.
This is a master class on why Wing Chun fails on the street today. No attacker is going to stand there after he throws a punch or kick and let you counter with an elaborate set of techniques.
Some will. And if they don't, your training will be able to handle whatever he has in mind. And these techniques are not elaborate! Do you even know what that means? They are simple and basic and very efficient, which is the wing chun way.
So one knows throws a 1-2, as John cena would say are you sure about that
@@jacobharris954 It's actually sad to watch, everyone pretty much has watched MMA and seen it's effectiveness in real fighting. This stuff is probably ok against a drunk fighter that throws a sloppy non boxing type hook as we are watching. Anyone with any form of training is going to ruin the lie they are being taught unfortunately and possibly get seriously hurt. I studied Wing Chun and quickly moved on to boxing. There is no comparison. Watch the video of the boxer with one hand behind his back that beats a legit Wing Chun master. It's pretty sad. I would think in the next 20 years, traditional martial arts will be almost extinct. Hiding the truth from people is getting harder and harder with the internet. I have seen a million real fights on UA-cam and never have I seen a chop to the neck EVER work. It's this guys bread and butter attack........
@@markb.739 I respect & appreciate your opinion. I just watched the so called WC master. Sorry, but he looked like another sloppy white belt sparring, doing all the typical stupid things. It shows the gap between really applying your training [as boxers do everyday] and just going through the motion. I can tell you that there are 'real' schools of combat that train as boxers & wrestlers do and can apply real Wing Chun or Choy Li Fut. It seems all the dumb stuff hits YT!
@BlackDragonModernCombat that guy in the video absolutely 100% thought his Wing Chun was superior to the boxers style. The problem with Wing Chun today is that everyone is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Wing Chun was designed to fight other martial artists and untrained fighters of the day. Today, everyone is watching MMA, and even the untrained understand advanced fighting concepts. Most untrained Street Fighters are using some generic form of MMA. They are mimicking what they are seeing. Wing Chun is the equivalent of trying to use a Windows 98 computer today. Sure, you can upgrade some of the components but it will never work like a modern computer. It's the same story over and over when Wing Chun artists take on MMA or boxers. They're trying to use an art form for a purpose it was never designed for.
I like the way you Si-Fu Randy demonstrates his technique and help his partner . Other don't do that and that Show me they don't have Control of their move . I'm a TWC Practicer but Si-Fu Randy Williams Good Demonstration .
Yes, and he explains it well also, so that a rank beginner can understand.
then rid yourself of that taste
That's the best way to train, forms need to be trained with correct power in intention - but going slowly refines technique and ensures every movement is correct. Its a good way of avoiding bad habits leaking into your forms.
Finally, traditional vs modified. This argument seems to have been raging for as long as WC has been on the internet. From what iv learned from the community at large & I can give you some links if youd like - William Cheung did not learn directly from Yip Man. That isnt to say he didnt go to his school, but he learned primarily from Wong Shun Leung under Yip Mans guidance. Keep in mind William Cheung has since confirmed this - & this was only Siu Nim Tao before he moved to Australia.
Your hands and center line must match your opponents height, raise your hands for taller people, lower them for shorter, so you're always using your center line on theirs. If they throw just one punch, I would suggest the bong/tan at the same time, then go straight in on your center line. If he throws two punches, go to his outside, using your low kicks to the knees, minding the reach of the opponent and close with a head butt to the nose. Stay off his angles, stay ON yours. Sifu Tyler
I actually clashed arms with Randy at his seminar back in the nineties..... nice guy. fun times, but i didn't continue my training.
mackychloe hmm, I wonder why🤣
Perhaps iv misrepresented myself. Just to put my cards on the table, I do practice WC & have done for a little over 10 years, iv had two teachers, one who I train in with weekly & another who I normally see maybe twice a year due to the fact that we live on opposite sides of the planet & have had many influences from teachers iv had the privilege of crossing paths with over the years. I am actually very familiar with William Cheung, I was simply curious as to what you would say.
Unless iv missed something, your telling me what I have & havent come across. Im telling you that every wing chun system has footwork, it impossible for them not too unless they dont do chum kiu biu jee or the wooden dummy form. Iv studied WC for 10 years, im a certified Sifu, I move around, I ought to know what I do or dont do. Circular and angled footwork is in biu jee, realigning footwork is in chum kiu, inside to outside gate footwork as well as circular is in the wooden dummy forms.
Randy is so good. I love these videos!!
Glad you like them!
@@worldofmartialartstelevision it’s not just that, it’s your knowledge and creativity! Liked it. Yes, but truly, it’s the fact that your not selling people out by trickling off a technique here n there, you went through a clinic in those videos sifu 🐉
@@JKDVIPER Thank you for appreciating what we do.
@@worldofmartialartstelevision yes sir!
Reminds me of master Ken...
Damn.... me too. He just forgot to double stomp the groin!
Sifu You Are Good 👍👍👍
Kick the stick!! Awesome!!
So good !!!!
Who has the best Wing Chun Videos on UA-cam?
They all have some worth. That is why you should watch as many videos as possible and use what you think is worth using, and discard the rest.
Obviously The Grandmaster "THE SEEF" Randy Williams
Just to offer my 2 cents, I dont believe in style or lineage bashing - obviously there are bad in both examples, but when it comes to style, to be able to truly criticise I feel you have to be very familiar with it to the point where you have spent alot of time practising that system so that you have a thorough perspective. With regards to lineage, its the same way. Theres growing disparity between WC lineages & everyone wants to believe theres is better, since its all WC you may have an opinion
hey Barry, any ideas regarding effective defense against boxers using wing chun? And don't think I'm mocking you.
I love him so much Seef Williams
Hmm, it seems we have some cross over. Samual Kowk is one of the main teachers here in the UK and he spends alot of time in my city. When I first got started it was under Kwok, however I hold no certifications under him as my school broke away from his organisation within a year of me joining. Hes a nice guy and fun to train with - still go to seminars under him if you get the chance. Im not such a fan of his style these days though - more of an expo then a seminar.
Can these lessons be bought on DVD?
Yes, go to everything wing chun. com and you will see it at the bottom. There is a 3 dvd set that is worth buying and practicing.
The irony of that question is he has the biggest collection of DVD
On that tan pak. Very good but if you nail him twice his head will fly back and there will be pain? He can't operate the cross under that, so what I do, instead of force on force, is I'll nail him back hand first, front hand last , this puts up a block against a hook punch.
Guys in chairs everywhere AARE SHOOK
Step away from the chair 😂
We have similar ideas.
Great video Sifu...
What if my opponent does not comply and stand in place while i unleash this fury?
This is the standard format for most training videos and seminars. If you have a better way then feel free to post it. Doh.
Stevo Rivera well I guess that's where the headbutt come in😂🤣, just hope the attackers head or limbs ain't tougher than yours
Should hope I'm ahead since I teach them! Lol! To be honest we bring chi sau in quite early, the student need not have learned chum kiu to begin rolling. We view it as a kind of sand box or laboratory to try techniques & concepts as they learn them in a relatively safe environment. We do a class on Sundays which is just chi sau, but people can also spar if they want to. Read gibbons book a few years ago thanks, & I've met James Sinclair. Good guy!
Hmm, maybe. I personally think a bong lap only has a high probability of success if you already have contact as opposed to dealing with an incoming strike - but that me its down to the individual, just because i dont think i can do it does mean another person couldnt.
What do you mean by traditional WC master???
very good teaching
to be honest, depending on how your taught - I think 50/50 will present alot of problems in chum kiu, and will continue to do so in Biu jee as well as the later form is your school teaches them.
more complex footwork emphasising realignment, circular footwork and weight transfer are also explored extensively through the 8 Baat cham do forms as well as the Luk dim boon guan. If you lucky enough to have a school that teaches them, they follow Biu jee.
Again, I cant speak for lineages I havent practised, but I certainly dont stand still rotating my torso, neither has anyone else iv crossed paths or touched hands with. Footwork is essential to the WC system.
If you master the art of wingchun,you can defeat a boxer,if not,you will be lucky to defeat a good boxer,a good wc teacher like Emin Bozteppe has the answers,he also boxed.
Thanks for your question.
RANDY, please teach me your system!
Ummm, no!
What if a fast boxer throws a fast jab and cross combination? Wont you just walk onto the cross?
what technique would i use against someone taller by a foot and several inches longer in reach. Bong Sau is not working for me against much taller opponents.
Again, I can only speak of what I know. I have brushed shoulders with a few other lineages, we dont all do it the same way, but its pretty close. Im not one to bash myself, but if your gonna sling mud, you may want to look into some of the controversies within your own system. There's a reason it looks so different - its not without a fair amount of criticism.
Whaddayaknow - there's actually groundwork and grappling involved in Wing Chun!!
None of which are considered legal for use in MMA matches though, unfortunately.
Yes, it's for REAL fighting, not that fake shit in the mma! Some of this is pretty brutal, and that is why it is perfect for the streets!
@@mightymeatmonsta "Fake" shit in MMA LMAOO. Never met a more delusional group of people than wing chun practitioners.
@@johnevans9242 so, Bruce Lee was delusional? Lolol look bro you take what is useful from every fighting style and apply it. Bruce took most of his stand up game from WC and of course western boxing. WC is the cornerstone of his fighting style. Come on dude, WC it's a good place to start.
@@johnevans9242 mma isn't only fake, but worse...it's a circus show for clowns and dumb people.
@@mightymeatmonsta You are delusional, go into a MMA gym and try out your moves to see if they work and then come back after and tell us how that went for you.
You can even see from this video, where he has borrowed techniques from both MMA and BJJ as WT, has an inherent weakness like most traditional arts.
hmm, someone is deleting post.
Anyway, at @5:10, the tan/pak defense against a hook really bad.
Of course, he is right in saying neither taan nor pak would work alone, but there are single arm tools that will without having to toally give up 2 hand defense/attack and facing.
In a 4-gate defense scenario, properly structured and faced biu sau will work without having to commit both hands to defend the hook, which leaves yourself wide open for a followup punch from the other hand.
Good stuff thanks for sharing
john smith, Learn to trust your skill,having aquired it,and your speed must truly be honed,develope your punchpower,correct wing chun will provide this,and get in with the first strike...hit first..even if your opponent attacks first,,, ok.. thanks for the question.. john...
Chinaboxer is a great guy, he also does bjj, have spoken to him via email, he talking about poss coming to London for a seminar. Master Wong is hilarious. He loves about 2-3 hours north of me - have never met him but would love to. To be honest though, from what I know of him I think he's more into his tai chi then anything else. The great thing about that it that's it Chen style tai chi & it's really really hard to find anyone who knows/teaches genuine Chen style.
Does he have any schools in los angeles?
based simply on your observations - some negative, however, iv found over the years thats its always best to reserve judgement until you have either met/studied with said instructor or at least crossed hands with a high level practitioner of that lineage. EG, iv always been Yip Ching with a few examples of Yip Chun & Duncan Leung here & there. Iv never trained with anyone whos trained under William Cheung, from what iv seen, its not for me - but I wouldnt bash without having trained it.
Did anyone try the hook punch block and did it work
Randy Wiliams: how to lose a street fight part 1
I have no probs with Muay Tai its a great style, & I have no probs talking with people who dont like WC so long as theyve spent time training in the system before they talk about how it doesnt work for them. What annoys me is its harder & harder to have a WC conversation without some troll in a TAPOUT shirt whos probably never trained in anything taking over and talking MMA vs... totally kills it for me.
Don't take what if said as an attempt to diwade you from training under his system. If it works for you - fantastic, keep at it. Just keep in mind you've only done 1/3 of the system, so you may want to keep criticism of other types of wing chun in check until your a bit more experienced.
Can William cheung fight? Don't know - haven't ever seen him fight.
Very cool
I agree with most of what your saying, but depending on how your school teaching everything from chum kiu onwards, the 50/50 stance may give you problems. That being said, if you've got a good teacher then I'm sure he has his reasons & can make it work.
When u use these techniques u can do ur own combats I'm sure u can
Yea, I was pretty sure that was what you meant, I just wanted to be sure. Do you mind me asking - are you somewhat new to wing chun?
I mean no offence by asking that, I'm simply curious. It's been quite a while since I've heard someone bring up the so called "tradional" wing chun.
Well, I think it been pretty clearly established that he learned Siu nim tao & maybe the start of chum kiu whilst in Hong Kong but no more. Im still confused by the terminology thought. By all account William Cheungs claim is that he alone learned the actual secret version of WC (something we know to be un true), what everyone else learned according to him is modified. It sounds as if your using those terms in a different context?
Yes, same to you I always enjoy a good wing chun conversation free from MMA trolls.
I noticed that it was mightymeat,that adressed me,excuse me ,i thought it was john.thought the answer is the same.good luck with your training.
As a matter of fact I didnt. Im confused. I you except that the term traditional is something which William Cheung made up, & that the majority of his alterations are of a non Yip man origin (most likely himself), how do we get to Yip Ching also doing Williams Cheungs version of WC!? Also, to your mind, if you except that Cheung created traditional - where does "modified" come from?
intercept a punch with a Bong Sao.....interesting!!!!
anything is possible when the other blocks the movement....
This is what I'm trying to tell you. I do understand the two - very well in fact. I mean no offence, but you haven't finished one version of the system yet, so your not really in a position to say you truly understand any version just yet. Keep in mind, there is no traditional vs modified. This is an extremely effective business model created by cheung. Cheung did not complete the system under yip man, he doesn't have any secret knowledge. He just has his version of the system.
would be so cool if this worked in real street fight! :D
i think if you fought this guy in the street, you would be dead in 6 moves.
The way he does the head-and-arm choke leads me to believe he doesn't actually know how to choke people very well.
viva el win chun
Ah right, I see where you are. The term traditional & modified comes exclusively from William cheung. There is disparity between the WC taught by the various students of yip man but that's a whole conversation in itself. The thing is, as time went on peoples admittance to the yip man club depended on the depth of your pocket. Remember, he had a terrible opium habit to feed. Most of the teaching would come from his seniors.
much love sifu williams
What if the opponent is attacking me from a chair?
Lol, Randy's the man for that : ))
So, that being the case, where is it that you believe that traditional and modified come from?
Hmm, not sure if youd be able to get the bong/lap to work against a good jab.
Yes, William Cheung. As he is the man solely responsible for the divergence between traditional and modified Wing Chun as you call it, and claims to be the only person teaching it - obviously including Sifus registered under him.
This should be call ground fighting
It can confused the audience
He did call it ground fighting, plus giving it a catchy nickname and saying the actual chinese name for it as well.
I just wanted to add - I havent been following this thread until you started messaging me.
In your own words, in what way do you feel the so called "traditional" system created by William Cheung differ from the Yip man system? Why do you feel it's better? What EXACTLY do you mean when you say "modified" as you put it, has no footwork? Do you mean to imply they simply stand still?
Again, no offence is intended, its just that you have alot to say for someone who's just started chum kiu.
Its all good as long as you know its coming or you already have contact with your opponent. Otherwide a jab takes .2 of a second to hit you and your eye seeing it and you reacting takes longer than the jab taks to land. A Bong Sao is much to slow. A pak Sao would be what I would use against a Jab whilst using Chi Sao
Cheungs influence of Bruce lees has also been greatly exaggerated by cheung. Remember, he only started making these claims after Bruce and yip man were dead. Bruce's JKD influences/adaptations to his wing chun base came almost exclusively from boxing & fencing.
the weight ratio - to be honest I go back & forth (no pun intended) on this. I think it depends on the preference of the practitioner. Iv seen people who prefer 50/50 as they have done other styles, some for medical reasons as its easier - if your out of range standing naturally or in yee gee kim yeung ma, its 50/50 as its non committal. Shifting into juen ma - for me its about 60/40 with obvious margin for error. I dont like 50/50 for a forward stance & I wasnt taught it that way.
all that shit with he does one move and start a 50 move combo... Jesus guys, wake up.
I am not an mma troll. I love wing chun doing it along with other stuff for 20 years
NIce
this guy has probably never been in a full contact fight in his whole life if he thinks he can block a straight punch like that.
Hayk Amirbekyan the Seef has been bodyguard of Steven seagal Antonio banderas and the music group U2 and now is bodyguard of the metal band five finger death punch and he is their master of that band and you say that he doesn't know nothing about Of wing Chun¿ hahahaha give me a break
Then show me how to it better
@@leojimenez4262 body gaurds dont need to know how to fight. They just need to look intimidating and be bug meat shields to protect the client.
Blitzkrieg? you must be confused with the German system,Ewto,i am a Sifu of Ebmas,Dai Sifu Emin Bozstepes system,nothing to do with Blitzkrieg,although i trained it and am familiar with it.You asked me a question i gave you an answer?I know how to fight,i have fought many times,on the street in defense,and in the ring,i have never been defeated on the street,against other styles too in martial arts i also have never been defeated.good luck john.
I have a feeling this is not gonna work I dunno alot of dislike because I watched two with different double block to hook and no dislike
Sure it will. You are just an idiot.
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