The Difference Between John Williams and Hans Zimmer
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2021
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Williams is a theme/story guy, Zimmer is an atmosphere/feel guy
Except pirates of the Caribbean holy cow was “He’s a pirate” catchy. (Also I know Klaus Badelt did the majority of the composing but he was hired and assisted by Hans Zimmer, who also worked on many of the other songs in the series. Gotta love those films.
@@WilloWik Well, there's a big difference between the early Hans Zimmer - think about The Power of One, The Lion King, The Prince Of Egypt etc. and the Hans Zimmer after ~2010. Williams' style didn't change that much (His work has been and is very versatile. I couldn't tell if it's an early or a late Williams when I hear one of his works for the first time. In case of Zimmer that's much easier.). 🤔
Exactly what I was thinking
Exactly my thoughts! Side note- a lot of people only give Zimmer credit for Kung Fu Panda, but never mention John Powell, who also worked on the music, and because of this I’m almost certain that John Powell was who made all the themes that people recognize it for. Kinda sucks that they forget John Powell, who Is say is much more of a “new John Williams” than Hans Zimmer
For real
John Williams: Na na naaaa, na na naaaaa, na na naaaa na naaaaa na naaaaaa
Hans Zimmer: BWAAAAAAH
fully agree
nailed it lol
I mean, I actually recognized Jurassik Park, and I haven't even seen the movie. You're spot on!
You mean: na naaaa na na naaaa na naaaaa naaaaa?
Perfect Summary.
Imagine if they wrote a score together, it'd either be a hot mess because of how different their approaches are, or it'd be a beautiful masterpiece, harmoniously playing off each other's strengths.
They’re professionals, I’m sure they’d be able to find a way to collaborate in a way where they don’t cramp each other’s styles. I personally think it’d be magnificent
"so, Hans, I've got this intricate melody down, drawing inspiration from Claire de Lune, what did you compose?
Kool, John, I got these drums that go" bam bam...ba bam bam" through the entire score"
@@Kasino80”I think I’ll add a BWAAAAAAAM in there”
If the orchestration has as many layers as an onion in its instruments choice and countermelodies, and makes you feel incredible emotion for each end every one of said layers, it's John Williams.
If the orchestration is as thick as a lasagna, and causes your brain to explode the moment you take in one single note, it's Hans Zimmer.
Lasagnas and onions are both fundamental in the world of cuisine, just like HZ and JW are to the world of film music.
Well said
I think I might actually reverse the analogy, in this case, because I feel that, in general, Zimmer is more like an onion, in that his scores tend to be chopped up and mixed into the movie in a way that makes the movie feel greater without overwhelming it. I'd also be unlikely to partake of an onion on its own very frequently, though it can be prepared in so many ways that I might not even notice I'm having it some times. Williams is more like the lasagna noodles and sauce. It's vital to the meat (the movie), since without it it would just be a pile of seasoned ground beef. But I also wouldn't mind having meatless lasagna on occasion, just like I can listen to John William's scores whenever (Star Wars is Christmas music. @me).
I think it comes from different schools of thought in movie score composition. Williams composes pieces of music that movies could be set to, Zimmer composes scores for movies. Neither is wrong, just very different.
Johnny is more luke a seven-layered cake, each one it's own powerful and unique flavor but together work in perfect harmony. A culmination of ideas and creativity bouncing off each other, all held together brilliantly by a powerful melody.
Good analogy, but now I'm hungry, so dang it
Great analogy Alex. I like both composers for different reasons. John Williams is what I would call a more classically trained composer. Hans Zimmer is more of a self-taught, DIY kind of composer. They both compose powerful themes but do it in different ways. A combination of the two would be ideal.
i mean, Zimmer did Pirates of the Caribbean, which absolutely falls more into the world of super memorable melodies. He's a Pirate, One Day, Davy Jones' Theme, the Kraken's Theme, Up Is Down. but yeah when i think Zimmer i definitely think of the BWAMMMMs.
Same for so many other of his works. Like Kung Fu Panda, Lion King, Prince of Egypt, Spirit, and on and on. He really understands melody but he likes to be experimental, whereas John Williams is a traditional symphonic composer, and a damn good one too.
Klaus Badelt wrote the pirates theme, actually
@@bacon-wrappedrainbows7565 Yup! As far as I understand, the theme itself is not a creation of Hand Zimmer.
Davy Jones' Theme seems like a really interesting 'retelling' of the French song 'Qui peut faire de la voile sans vent,' which is also has very thematically related lyrics to his story. The melodies and motion are so similar it feels like it has to be based on it. So cool
@@bacon-wrappedrainbows7565 Klaus Badelt was Hans Zimmer's "apprentice" who composed the score. Zimmer was supposed to compose it but it conflicted with another contract and he was legally obligated not to. So instead, he basically just gave his student the music and let him publish it under his own name. Zimmer created the music, but credit to Badelt for the orchestration of those ideas.
Hans has some good Melodie’s too. Crimson Tide, Broken Arrow, Pirates, The Last Samurai, King Arthur, Etc.
Just my humble opinion: John Williams is insanely good. That's all I have to say.
Let's not forget Michael Giacchino.
Lost
The Incredibles
Coco
Inside out
The mcu spiderman movies
UP
Jurassic World
Zootopia
Rogue One
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Dude is a total chameleon when it comes to scoring movies.
The Finn Mcmissile theme is pretty based
Hans Zimmer writes scores that are constructed in a really sophisticated way and amazing at serving the mood of the movie , but are not memorable in- and of themselves (most of the time). It's a totally different approach from Williams' bombastic melodies. And Zimmer really popularized this way of scoring in Hollywood movies with his Nolan collaborations, especially the Dark Knight trilogy.
It won in pass because it is cause effective. When you don't need to create leit motifs for every character but only create atmosphere with a short "jingle" motif, you don't need nearly as much time to do it.
I agree with this on the whole but you have to think about pirates of the Caribbean and interstellar and inception even I would say
John Williams music is so memorable and sort of demands you to listen to it, in a way where it invites you in, then you end up staying for the entire piece despite having heard it a million times before. Hans Zimmer is too amazing for me to describe in any meaningful way. :D
Hans Zimmer for me. Music should make you feel and that’s exactly what he does.
For me Williams music is catchy memorable with momentary emotion. Zimmer's music reaches deep emotionally
I love both Zimmer and Williams. Though Williams would have to take the cake for me. Zimmer perfectly sets the mood for the movies he composes for, and the pieces aren’t really meant to stand as a piece on their own. And that’s ok.
Williams, on the other hand, creates pieces that work with the movies, but also stand on their own as beautiful and expressive pieces. And I think that’s why they’re so memorable.
I could listen to a TON of Williams’ scores quite frequently, and they sound like complete pieces on their own. I don’t need to watch the movie to fully enjoy the pieces.
Not trying to hate on Zimmer. I love how his compositions work in the movies. I just personally prefer Williams
I have an unending respect for Hans Zimmer, but John Williams is my favorite composer and, in my personal opinion, the greatest modern composer of our day.
You wouldn't have unending respect for HZ if you understood the kind of person he is. Most people feel the way you do until they do a little research into how he treats people.
@@Orchestructive what? We aren't rating who is a better person.. we are rating who the better *composer* is
@@PatoChu Great. I also think all the people Hans employs to write his music for him are great.
@@Orchestructive okay??? i dont really see your point
@@PatoChu That's okay. You don't have to.
I appreciate that he gives both credit and this isn't just a bash on one vs the other
Yep, not enough of this type of appreciation in any forum on any genre these days. We've lost the art of discourse and ended up with divisive dichotomy which creates such disharmony (pun intended!) and is really damaging for thought, learning and social cohesion generally.
Hans Zimmer in the last decade is more chord-oriented, where Hans Zimmer in the 90's is much more melody and motif-driven
Yes. Zimmer used to write idiomatically. Who knows why he stopped... or a better question is who knows why he used to do it in the first place.
There are more giants though: I'd argue Michael Ghiacchino, Danny Elfman (less so recently) and James Newton Howard have all done some great stuff. In terms of composers I've worked with, they've all been really nice about talking about their work (J. N. H. especially) but the absolute nicest I've worked with was Henry Jackman, just seemed like a really nice and personable guy.
Michael Giacchino is just so versatile. He's written such a variety of music, and much of it is very memorable. He's definitely one of the greatest film composers of all time.
@@paulchiara3722 absolutely. A particular favourite of mine was the soundtrack to The Incredibles (which as I understand he co-wrote with Arturo Sandoval)
I quote Zimmer himself: "Nobody is better than John" 😉 (quote is from the superman interview if i remember correctly)
One thing I will say, Cristobal de Veer is a very underrated composer
would love to hear Charles' take on some of Cristobal's work, Utopia particularly,
@@Miller053 Agreed, i really enjoy de Veer's soundtracks, Utopia especially.
I always think of Zimmer as the big epic soundscapes, massive orchestra and percussion section guy. But Williams is all about the melody. You can recognise a Williams melody no matter what it's played on and it almost always sounds perfect.
Then there's ludwig Göransson who in my opinion is the perfect combination of both. He can do the epic soundscape thing. He can do the epic melodies thing and he can do both simultaneously.
Hey, Charles, I hope to see you doing more stuff with Jack and Ryan! It was very entertaining and fun to watch!
John Williams is fun and epic, I wanna be there and be in the story. Hanz Zimmer makes me feel like a speck in the cosmic universe. Both outshine most of the movies their scoring.
future collab with scary pockets when???
The pipe organ is only memorable because people connect it to 2001 A Space Odyssey. It falls massively short of Strauss's use of the pipe organ.
John Williams' music is like an Impressionistic painting, it mirrors the situation the film is presenting and showing how it makes the characters & us, the audience feel about it.
Hans Zimmer's music is like an Expressionistic painting, almost like the emotion itself sets the tone & the situation. It mirrors what the characters and the audience is feeling & expressing it to create an atmospheric scene
Williams makes an emotion out of the scene while Zimmer makes a scene out of the emotion
John Williams has been the most memorable legend of Soundtracks engineering in the film industry for providing the theme of one of most highest grossing blockbuster franchises Jurassic Park, Star Wars, Harry Potter and Indiana Jones.
Hans Zimmer is really easy to recognise
The difference between the two is irony. Hanz Zimmer was in the Buggles and made the tune "video killed the radio star" and yet soundtracking movies is his main occupation.
Williams vs Zimmer is leitmotif vs motif.
Zimmer has overarching themes for films, but they aren’t always obvious and aren’t necessarily connected to a place or character. He tends to compose with an ear toward events.
Williams composes character and location themes. Watch Star Wars and focus on the changes as characters appear on screen…Luke, Leia, Vader, they all have their own themes and styles which work within the overall framework of the score.
This was such a great episode!
I always hate these comparisons because the stuff people give Zimmer you could just as easily give to Williams. "Zimmer sets the mood" "he creates textures" "Hans constructs scores in a sophisticated way," these are all things that are even *better* attributed to Williams. And then the stuff people say about Williams, you could never in a million years say about Zimmer.
Zimmer is the current reigning champion of film scoring, but we don't have to pretend there's a *good* reason for that just to not upset anyone. Zimmer used to write good music and hasn't written good music in over 20 years. He creates mush more akin to sound design and does at the most 60% of most of the scores he works on.
I actually find video game compositions to be more evolved and interesting than movie scores could ever be... Nobuo Uematsu is the finest on the planet
How the hell do you define more evolved from a Art perspective? That makes no sense. You can like best whatever you like best, but you cant objectively say, some music is more evolved. And what do you mean by "than movie scores could ever be"? So in your opinion Movie scores can never be better?
Idk the only difference between film music and game music is that one is designed to loop forever 😂
Could you do a whole episode on this?
You can instantly recognize a John Williams score where it seems like something out of a orchestra or a traditional composed piece, you cannot find modern sounds in Williams's score instead you'll find the perfect harmony. Not that you won't find it in hans zimmer's way of composing but Williams makes the score feel like we are listening to an orchestra or piece of music where there are ONLY instruments and the entire score is filled with burst of harmonies & melodies.
No. A lot of people mistakes Jerry Goldsmith soundtracks as John Williams and vice-versa.
They walk in the same school of composers...
Both great composers, and this guy just explained why each of them is the best in the same field.
"Pad writing" lol I'm sorry that sounded like a double meaning in the way it was used.
Anyone who can’t tell John Williams from Hans Zimmer needs to find a new hobby lol, they could not be more different. Something more difficult would be telling Hans Zimmer from John Powell, or John Williams from Alan Silvestri.
Williams and Powell have a very similar style, same with Michael Giacchino, makes sense that they all worked on star wars
@@aydenduke2556 I say Zimmer and Powell because they worked together on Kung Fu Panda and it’s a fairly common point of conversation among composers to try and figure out which parts are Powell and which parts are Hans, but he is also very similar to Williams in many aspects
Love this analysis even though its less than a minute long lmao
I got to Williams if I want music. I go to Zimmer if I want one note played over and over for dramatic effect.
Man, that question struck a chord. "Could you tell the difference?" Williams is a highly musically educated composer with a serious background. He studied with the best and was working with and playing in orchestras since his teens. Williams understanding and abilities with music are staggering when compared to Zimmer. Both equally have a command of the film music artform. Without a doubt. Both of their film works are iconic. BUT - if the question was who's music is stronger and who's a better musician, it's undoubtedly Williams. Zimmer would never be able to write with the complexity and command that Williams does. He just doesn't know how to do it. And Williams would probably find writing like Zimmer extremely boring. It's frustrating explaining this to people who don't know anything about music, but believe me, when you start learning how it's done...the work of Williams and so many composers cut from the same cloth is astounding.
Well Pirates of the Caribbean is really complex. But Zimmer said he prefers the simplest possible notes be the theme.
@@atch300 Hans zimmer is mid
@@thedankest1974 who asked
Zimmer also gave us The Lion King, Crimson Tide, The Rock, The Last Samurai, Gladiator, The Prince of Egypt, The Road to El Dorado, A great deal of Pirates of the Caribbean tracks, Rango. All of these are amazing melodically, while also creating the exact atmosphere as the movies intended. It's just that his later work went along with a more general culture where harmony and atmoshpere was becoming the norm.
(And of course, John Williams has always been a mastermind, imho a better composer, but I still love Hans Zimmer)
For me, I have a love hate relationship with Zimmer’s music. He can be mindblowingly brilliant with one second of music and then the next second is painfully obtuse enough that it pulls me out of the film. My main example of this is The Amazing Spider-Man 2. I know it wasn’t all his ideas since it’s credited as the Magnificent Six, but Electro’s “voices in the head moment is chilling and hauntingly terrific, but the clarinet “goofy” theme when Max is talking to himself in the mirror really pulled me out of the film. I’m also indecisive on whether I like “I’m Goblin”. I love the track, but I don’t know if it quite fits the film. His ideas, though, are always exciting. I’m not sure f it was Zimmer or Junkie XL who came up with the electric cello for Wonder Woman to combine the stigma of the daintiliness and using string to portray that and turning it on it’s head is an amazing idea! But to sum up, Zimmer, to me, is great at writing music, but doesn’t always make what I think fits the movie.
In juxtaposition, Williams’ works are almost always orchestral. I am very sure he has said that the melodic writing he does is not “his” style, but rather the atonal and jazz arrangements like he did on The Adventures of Tin Tin. But that lends more credit in my mind to Williams is that he can do so much with the orchestra and make it feel new and invigorating.
I’d love to know what anyone else thinks on this!
(Edit to add extra information)
"bUt ItS sO ePiC". Hans Zimmer is all sound and direct impact and he is basically asked to write the same piece for every movie. He has managed to do something different like involving an Organ in Interstellar but otherwise there is "a lack of music" in his soundtracks (I know, everything is music). If you think its impressive to hear the difference between William's and Zimmer then please 'listen more'. Its night and day.
@@slubert I don't disagree, the composition styles of Williams and Zimmer are quite different. Zimmer is definitely more of a soundscape artist and finding the different ways to manipulate sonics and he's proven good with that. I don't find it his fault that directors ask for that same kind of composing that leads to all of it sounding the same way, if that's what they want and he delivers, he has done his job. I know he is capable of writing things other than soundscapes, but if he isn't asked to do so, then it's not going to happen and that's ok.
I am perplexed by your sentence of being impressed with the differences. Why would I not be impressed with different styles of music? There isn't one way to create music and that IS impressive. You can have leitmotifs and thematic devices intertwined into your music that lend to the music being its own character, or you can choose to let the music simply follow the emotion, tone, etc to double down on the director's vision and bring it to life and it will still do the job. In the end, it's Williams and Zimmer's job to support the movie with music, and I can debate whether I think it did or didn't in instances, but there is more than one way to create a score and I will always be impressed by the different ways that film composers or any other composers do that.
Two different eras.
In Williams era soundtracks was less intrincated with the filmography in opposite of Horner/Zimmer/Rabin/Elfman era who soundtracks almost need to be part of script..
Duna, Interestellar and Inception are blatant examples. Aliens and Remember The Titans too...
I always think that John Williams scores are mostly whimsical and Hans Zimmers mostly dramatic and dark. Both instantly recognisable in most cases.
However, both have transcended for example, the Schindlers list violin piece by John Williams, then the Pearl Harbour theme by Hans.
Either way, both individuals work equally gives me chills, strikes up the craziest emotions and are both completely unbelievable.
I got to see Hans once last year, if I ever get to see John Williams I’d be extremely lucky indeed ❤❤
*John Williams-*
Star Wars
Jaws
Jurassic Park
Harry Potter
Indiana Jones
Superman
E.T.
Home Alone
Catch Me If You Can
The Patriot
*Hans Zimmer-*
Lion King
The Prince Of Egypt
Interstellar
Pearl Harbor
Pirates of the Caribbean
Gladiator
Inception
The Da Vinci Code
The Dark Knight (Rises)
Batman Begins
You be the judge 🎶
Better question which one write more of the score themselves and not just themes and passes them on to ghost writers.
Where can I see the full video?
How to tell the difference:
Is is it extremely good? -> John Williams wrote it.
Though I have to say Hans has written his fair share of good melodies, he is just not known for them. And John is Probably the best melodist of our generation.
Did you watch the video? Williams music is melody heavy. Zimmer doesn't have such recognizable melodies, but that's on purpose. He tries to complement the scenes without "robbing" attention to the music, it's much more atmospheric, and from that point of view, he absolutely destroys Williams. Meanwhile, as a "traditional" song, Williams destroys Zimmer.
They're different styles of movie scores, and they both have their strengths and weaknesses, and they can't even be directly compared
@@PPedroFernandes I watched this clip, haven't watched the full video though. In generell what you said is correct, but like I said Hans has written several great melodies and melody heavy scores before. Some examples are The Lion King, Wonder Woman 1984, Pirates of the Carribean... you get my point. Just because most of Zimmers scores are less melodic, does not mean he cannot write a melody.
Yeah, but why are you talking as if melody is the only thing that matters in orchestration? The entire point that they are trying to make is that Zimmer's scores do not rely on melody alone to enhance the atmosphere of a scene. Framing it strictly around melody is entirely missing the point of Zimmer's scores, he doesn't need to write memorable melodies to make great soundtracks.
@@xaostek You are reading in between the lines, I never said that melody is the only thing that matters. I just said that Hans is, contrary to what most people say, able to write a great melody
@@simonfrasch3066that's.... My entire point. He mostly CHOOSES not to write melody heavy music. Which in turn, makes the music less recognizable, it's a fact. Our brains hold on to melodies much easier. In turn, a more layered pad heavy score is often more appropriate to complement a scene, because a melody heavy score on certain situations pulls your attention from the movie.
Point is, there's no way in hell you can say "if it's really good, it's Williams". That's almost factually incorrect. Because for one, like you said, Zimmer can write beautiful melodies, and second, he chooses not too. Not to mention stuff like interstellar is some of the most legendary scores there are
please do a full Interstellar / Hans Zimmer episode
Hans Zimmer: Atmosphere
John Williams: Theme and Rising Tension.
Also, I love the more “Stravinsky” sounding stuff that Williams does. For example Echo Base.
John Williams scores a musical narrative. Zimmer and his ghost writers tend to create a repetitive series of layered accompaniments, occasionally with a melody somewhere in between.
So basically what Charles said here, minus the diplomacy and plus a bit of passive-aggressive criticism of Zimmer😉
Cue the comment debate.
100% this
Zimmer focuses much more on the atmosphere rather than the "musicality". and musicality isn't inherently more difficult, just easier to appreciate and recognize.
I completely agree, also I feel Zimmer has lost a lot of his talent from his earlier works. Thelma and Louise and The Lion King are great scores on par with Williams, but Zimmer during his Nolan collab is horrible. I tried listening to the Interstellar soundtrack after my second viewing, specifically to try being open minded, and you just can't listen to it on its own. It's so disconnected without the visuals. I genuinely don't understand how or why people would go to a concert with his music.
Easier way: Zimmer always does notes in 3s. ALWAYS.
The anime artwork really completes how both borderline reddit and borderline Normie this take on Classical probably is.
Hans Zimmer is the clear winner for the mw2 soundtrack
I love these guys both, they are both great composers. But I like Williams a little more as a part of me thinks Zimmer’s a little used too much in the industry, but that’s just probably me. I do wish Williams would’ve gotten to score more films in the early 2000’s that weren’t Spielberg directed or Star Wars. He had a few like The Patriot, Memoirs of a Geisha, or the first three Harry Potters, but otherwise, he has done Spielberg films and Star Wars films which is a shame cause he’s a great composer/conductor. Zimmer is everywhere and I like him, he’s a very nice guy, but I seriously mean it when I say he is everywhere. He’s done so much scores (specially for Dreamworks Animation), it’s crazy, but everyone needs a living. To be honestly, love both of these men. I hope they continue composing.
Loving the new Dune soundtrack and the point about layers of sound really show in that music
So no one thinks of Pirates of the Caribbean when it comes to Hans? Interesting. John Williams music leaves a memorable impression on the mind. When you here his music you instinctively picture the scene that represents the moment. I can listen to Anakin vs Obi Wan from Revenge of the Sith and see every scene throughout the whole score.
Charles, I highly recommend you to listen to Toninho Horta. He is a Brazilian musician celebrated by Tom Jobim as one of the best harmonists we have. Some songs for you to start with: Aquelas Coisas Todas; Eternal Youth; Yarabella; Liana; Céu de Brasília and so on.
It would be awesome to watch a whole video of you talking about one of his songs!
Thank you very much.
Wait until they all find out Hans Zimmer is actually a collective of musicians using one name to make a figurehead for their success.
You mean remote control productions?
Generally speaking, John Williams music can stand as art on its own whereas Hans Zimmer music only really fits within the context of the film. There are exceptions for both composers of course, but I personally find Hans Zimmer compositions to often be boring and unartistic, even if it's actually brilliant composing. I often prefer other film composers Hans Zimmer, but they always lack the reputation (and resume) to compare...
Interesting. So how come that Zimmer can conveniently fill dozens of stadiums filled to the brim with 20.000+ people multiple times in a row, if his scores "only" work within the context of the film?
If we are talking about Scoring Gods, lest we not forget
- Danny Elfman (my personal favorite)
- Rupert Gregson-Williams
- Ben Folds
- Ennio Morricone (R.I.P)
- James Horner
- Alan Silvestri
Hell no Danny elfman is garbage
Williams:A massage for your years
Zimmer:You might go deaf,but it's beautiful
...this was SPECTACULAR 😄🙌🙌🙌
Howard Shore should be mentioned with John Williams and Hans Zimmer.
Williams', you can hum. Zimmer's, you can't. But both are equally enjoyable.
Hans zimmer scored films can be rescored well by other good composers. Williams scores are inseparable from their films, even their characters and genres.
The death star battle is slow and unrealistic, with less than 2 dozen small fighters moving like biplanes and trying ti kill a moon sized station. The rebel fleet shouldve been insufficient to beat a star destroyer. But the music! made it an amazing, tension filled battle, moving at breakneck speed.
The jaws theme is more iconic than the shark and the film itself. Supermans theme was so perfect in '77 that the 90s cartoon basically aped it and it might as well be supes official, timeless theme, just like elfmans batman theme, but NOT zimmers batman music. I have seen the nolan bat films a million tines and have no memory of the music even though it was very effective while watching.
Indys theme is familiar to my friends who havent seen indy films as it is amazing as generic action adventure but also as his specific character tune. Same as harry potter. The closest zimmer has gotten to that is pirates, but that theme doesnt capture the madness of sparrow, only the adventure of the high seas.
Williams is so head and shoulders above everyone im surprised it is even debated. But thats just my opinion.
The biggest and noticeable one is John Williams does Full Orchestral, while Hans Zimmer does Orchestral, while also having other stuff and synths
Hans Zimmer is amazing but John Williams is miles better and it isn’t even close.
I feel like the two are like the Mozart and Beethoven of our Movie Scores.
Many modern masterpieces work because of Zimmerisms. Hes good. However, Zimmer also feels like a person who habitually enjoys the smell of his own farts. i like his works very much but i´d rather hear folks like Ludwig Göransson (Black panther etc).
dudes humble af
Hans Zimmer is 100% a colossal egotist
@@bacon-wrappedrainbows7565 nah bruh, be fair. hes not a cesspool or anything, just someone who knows his talent but gets blinded by it.
with his current career arc, we will have many folks better than him within the following 10yrs. there will be a time where Zimmerisms will not be enough, but by the time he stops being the conoisseur of ahem from his own hind quarters - its going to be too late.
@@somberlight he once said “I could make a score using a rubber band and a cardboard box”, so yeah. I don’t think he’s a horrible person or anything, though. He just loves himself.
@@bacon-wrappedrainbows7565 we do agree but continuing the spirit of fairness, thats actually fair as well, because many folks overthink writing to Nth degree. they shouldnt.
i once wrote a track using my own ass and a SM58, thats it. obviously some daw magic assumed. did you know that your bare cheeks provide a better slapping sound than your hands do?
i´m not zimmer or anything, just a nobody with a juvenile sense of humour. however, i now have a proof of concept that it absolutely can be done.
@@bacon-wrappedrainbows7565 That's so wrong in every way. I saw him live and I can tell you that he is pretty humble, even saying that he would be nothing without his musicians, as well as giving them most of the spotlight during the concert, contrary to what most other conductors / composers do. He treats his band like his family.
We need a break down for the silk sonic album
To me John Williams is king. He's the person they'll be talking about forever a la Beethoven or Mozart. Just the other day I was rewatching Hitchcock's Family Plot. The film , though a black comedy, also just had additional energy I couldn't put my finger on. Then when the credits rolled there it was: MUSIC JOHN WILLIAMS.
I can never thank john williams enough for making the hedwig theme and hanz zimmer for making the dark knight theme
Yup that’s one facet of the difference between the two
Hans Zimmer and John Williams are about the easiest movie composers to distinguish.
I dont know a lot about creating music but i like the krakens theme from pirates of the caribbean
I take John Williams over Hans Zimmer any day. I mean no once can truly get the iconic beat of Williams work in music.
Indeed
I feel like John Williams follows the tone of the film/scene, whereas Hans sets the tone.
Ofcourse we could recognize John Williams vs Hans Zimmer lol.
John Williams VS Hans Zimmer’s students
It takes way more talent to write memorable melodies and orchestration than to just layer sound.
If it was easy to “just layer sound” then every composer would sound like him, cuz ya know, he’s pretty successful.
Williams>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zimmer anytime
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Pirates of Caribbean (the main one)
Batman Begins (all those latin language titles)
The Lion King ("This Land" especially)
Sherlock Holmes (the main one)
GLADIATOR ("Now we are free")
John Williams ripping off classical composers. Zimmer more of... his own film composition colleagues. TwoSet violin can help with the offrippings of Williams. ;D
Ayyyyyyy come up!
I agreed with everything he just said
This was a very politically correct way to say "John Williams actually knows how to write good music, and also Hanz Zimmer is there."
John Williams is a composer, that is the difference
the difference is....
John Williams is a genuine ICON..cos he's just that darn great.
Hans Zimmer...an overrated, over-working film score composer.
By your statement i can clearly see you like john williams more right?😂
James Horner enters the chat...
And btw John Williams in known to take “inspiration” to create pieces
Hanz zimmer, john will, thomas bergersen and ramin djawadi re the giants
yeah man
"John Williams is the guy who wrote the themes where the melodies, we just sing them to ourselves. They are not songs, of course, but what feel like these melodies that are so memorable and everybody knows every note."
**Pirates of the Caribbean theme enters the chat**
To be fair, Klaus Badelt composed the Pirates theme while Zimmer produced it. While Zimmer has SOME writing credits on Pirates, at the time he was (per his own interviews) too busy with composing for The Last Samurai.
Charles is a vtuber now
cool charles cornell.
It's Zimmer all they way for me.
ok so
williams = melody
zimmer = scope
Is the bearded guy supposed to be the Patreon/Pamplemouse dude?
is like comparing chocolate to shit
Williams is better than any composer ever
Mahler easily beats him