Ya if he had everyone in their prime in all his years with the cavs he wouldve never left because a prime d Wade a prime d rose a prime Shaq a prime Ben Wallace the list goes on and on
True but they tried the year before had a top 10 pick in Wagner that was suppose to be kyire before kyire then Lebron told boozer to leave they tried to get Micheal redd and he didn’t come but got the second best player that was a free agent in that time in Larry Hughes he just so happened to be injury prone so they tried they made trades to help support Lebron they tried just doesn’t no one wants to come to Cleveland 😂 it wasn’t management fault
At that time Cleveland was only using LeBron for fame. They don't care about championship. They can just drag anyone and give that guy a CAVS jersey to play with LeBron. They didn't even try. While Miami was ready to win a chip of course Bec of the Legendary Pat Riley, he knew what to do. They wasted Lebron's first 8th years??(correct me if I'm wrong) if they didn't waste his talents. LeBron would have stayed and win at least 3 or 4 more rings.. cancel out the 2 miami rings then. 4 or 5 total rings
Dwyane Wade resume: 3× NBA champion (2006, 2012, 2013) NBA Finals MVP (2006) 13× NBA All-Star (2005-2016, 2019) NBA All-Star Game MVP (2010) 2× All-NBA First Team (2009, 2010) 3× All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2006, 2011) 3× All-NBA Third Team (2007, 2012, 2013) 3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2005, 2009, 2010) NBA scoring champion (2009) NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004) No. 3 retired by Miami Heat
So... even after all that transpired that night in Cleveland, Bron was willing to leave a potential dynasty in Miami to go home and bring that city a chip. Wow.
And man it feels great to know nobody can ever say he didn’t win one in Cleveland. Years from now people gonna look back and think about how amazing of a player he really was.
Lebron is one of those guys that will not be appreciated until after he's gone. Hardworking, driven, family man, and pretty much spotless as far as scandals (at least publically), but not perfect which gives him that drop of humanity that superstars sometimes seem to lack because of their feats.
@@marcosjuarez1490 Bruh, I like Kobe and am a Kobe stan but the man literally has a rape allegation on his resume. The absolute WORST things you can say about Lebron are all related to basketball (Decision, lack of clutch, he's not MJ/GOAT).
@@theCHILLIntrovert And 1 of the critiques ain't correct. LeBron doesn't always take the last shot, but statistically his clutch numbers are very close to MJ, way above Kobe and he has more game winners than MJ in playoff games (in more games played, of course).
@@Inthecommentsfornow I do, but look at what you're saying. The *worst* thing we've got on him is literally just an extramarital *allegation* (because we don't actually know).
Wow, if Cavs provided lebron with similar talent in the 2016 Cavs back in Lebron's first stint in Cleveland den he wouldn't have to burn no bridge now would he. Ya'll just hating, whos to say if Lebron never left Cleveland hed even have Rings. Now some people can say he would a still got Kyrie if yu sayin dat yu are dumb as hell
How about you don't burn jerseys like its normal. JJ is correct they don't want black men making decisions for themselves, much of the racist fan base couldn't stand it.
BIHM III No doubt. Which is why I’m glad LeBron left again after winning the championship. He set out his goal and accomplished it for the fans and continued his career while the Cavs front office continue to be incompetent.
@@jaccbolton Do u see how Cleveland looks every time Lebron leaves? He literally carries them Cleveland teams to 60 wins and so on....yall can say Kyrie this and kyrie that but what was kyrie doing with Cleveland before Lebron came back? The GM doesn't even surround him with what he needs like a GM supposed to...Lebron gotta recruit and play basketball
It wasn't Jordan did it that way, it was because till Kobe, the superstars wasn't let go and the franchises built the team around them. And most of the stars wasted time because of that. Lebron didn't want to leave to franchises and took control. That was the hate. NBA was a business, Lebron just made sure the players received their share of it by taking better control.
Unfortunately his ego also played a big part so no it wasn't 100 percent like the backlash wasn't justified. The Not 1-6 rings comment, him holding a 2 hour T.V. special about where he was going to sign, and making fun of Dirk's health in the 2011 Finals. Yes he made a business decision that helped players control their destiny's(except he isn't the only one to do this, but that doesn't mean he isn't still a huge egomaniac to boot.
@@beastmode218 well he sure isn't the only one to do it, but he was the first one. he was an actual superstar that decided to move on by himself without getting traded
The Cavs never put no one around Bron, just like the wolves didn’t put no one around KG & The pelicans didn’t put no one around CP3 or AD. If I was in that situation I would leave the team/organization as well.
Actually CP3 and KG had really good player’s around him. They just played in a conference where 1-8 could be separated by a half game or two. The western conference used to be tough. You could lose a game, and drop 3 spots. CP3 has had every chance to win, and Garnett went to Boston at the right time. Personally I think if Lebron didn’t have that large announcement with the show of the 3 of them coming out saying they’d basically win 1-7 championship’s. It wouldn’t have had the impact of the hate on him. KD went to GS, and basically said f%ck what everyone thinks. Lol Lebron is still the top player’s of his generation. Jordan is still the top player of his Generation. When Lebron leave’s, the NBA is going to have a problem.
💯 none of them teams couldn’t afford too do it Jordan and kobe was lucky because them two franchises have money and BIG REVENUE due too winning back in the day Chicago big as New York so it was plenty money for mike to get them great talents plus puppet contract was terrible so they had it Bron fasho would’ve stayed home
I got to disagree with the ad part, if boogie doesn't get hurt I think they make a couple more playoff appearances and win a series or so, and don't forget they had holiday as well
@@infinitymixtapes9562 I know KG is great, just maybe a fringe Top 5 power forward in the last 2-3 generation’s. It is really hard era’s because of rule change’s, and medicall-sport’s science.
To think of all the people who burned his Jersey, the owner who insulted him, yet Lebron came back and delivered on his promise and gave Cleveland their championship. While getting that championship, he also gave back to his home town and home state Ohio, Akron. Seriously, most people in his shoes would have given the middle finger and moved and stayed somewhere that appreciated him.
Here are the picks the Cavs during Lebron's first stint: 10th, 55th (2nd round), 42nd (2nd round), 25th, 19th, 46th (2nd), 30th, 54th (2nd round). Simply put, Lebron carried those Cavs teams too far, so they never got high picks. The Bulls drafted Pippen by MJ's third season (5th). Kobe had Shaq since his very first year. Shaq was dominant since his first season and took the Magic to the finals before Kobe was even drafted. How can someone take Lebron and compare his situation to these two? The Bulls only won two games less after MJ left, and they were one bad call from making the ECF (without MJ). Shaq left and won another ring with the Heat. While the Cavs went from winning 60+ games to 19 games right after Lebron left. The Cavs also never made the playoffs (despite drafting Kyrie and a few other high picks) until Lebron came back.
Good point but you fail to mention the fact that ppl miss this fact that Cleveland could've had Kawhi Leonard instead of Tristan Thompson the game would be over!!!! Why Tristan Thompson 1st pick Cleveland just ducked as an organization 💯💯 small market for basketball very football dominant yet still LBJ went back home.... bc Cleveland had a great opportunity with picks they wasted!
@@bigweezo2341 bulls traded up. Pip also would had never turned out the same if Jordan wasn't bus teammate. Jordan pushed all of his teammates to be better, Lebron didn't.
Lebron has taken a lot of disrespect from people who really don't know anything about basketball. His talent will truly be appreciated more after he steps away from the game.
thats how the human mind works, they value everything more once they don't have it anymore
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LeBron represents the uncontrollable athlete who dared to take his destiny into his own hands. America is comfortable with the “dumb jock” who is only an object of their entertainment. If Pat Riley would have been perceived as the mastermind behind the LeBron TRADE and the Bosh signing he would have been labeled the GM of the year and heaped with praise. The fact that this was viewed as athletes making their own decisions enraged a specific demographic.
I hate when people compare Lebron going to Miami to KD going to the 73-9 already champion Warriors. Not the same at all. Cleveland never had any talent the likes of a Russell Westbrook, James Harden or Serge Ibaka. And KD joining the Warriors, would've been more like Bron, joining the Celtics' big 3, since he lost to that team, and they already won a chip. Bron joined a team from scratch pretty much. People were gonna hate on Bron regardless, because they don't want him to be the GOAT🤷🏾♂️
We can all agree that LeBron is the most influential player of this era...he was the first to do it...you can't be mad if someone else decides to one up you in those regards...it's like a company takes another companies idea but improving on it... In this case KD just took the idea from LeBron and make a weaker move...if you want to blame someone...blame the guy who was the best player in the world and decided to make a custom built team in Miami....he basically gave the rest of the NBA the green light to go out on their own and join whoever...look at the PG13 and kawhi situation LMFAO
That just shows you how mentally strong he is and how basketball is more than just a game. I remember when he delivered that championship to Cleveland, espcially in the manner that he did? Down 3-1 to a team that won 73 games that year? To me that moment solidified his legacy. You debate and say he isnt the GOAT but that right there was some GOAT type sh**
Evil Lebron was a Demi God the first loss to Dallas lit a fire in his soul just on an in game level he attacked the basket early and often he made big shots and started the chase down blocks not so sure how good his actual defensive numbers were over that span but the effort on D was uncanny
America just cares too much about sports, why would a player switching teams make you emotional. When a player gets cut it’s funny, but if he leaves he’s Judas. It’s a joke 🤷🏽♂️
Michael Jordan was a tread setter when it comes to being a marketable player and legend. That became the tradition and definition of how players should follow the example. LBJ took a different route as explained by both guys in the podcast. Not everyone gets to be Micheal Jordan or LeBron James. Every individual has the right to live out their life by the choices they live by.
@@peytonlee6791...didn't you understand what DWade was saying? "Fans" were angry because Black guys had the power to make their own life decisions...and it's still true today. Some things never change.
Win H Bro 98% of people mad at Kd and lebron we’re leaving had anything to do about them being black. It’s because they are really good players, and now they are creating super teams. Which means their team won’t win and they will easily win. I bet they wouldn’t care if lebron or Kd came to their team. Nothing to do with being black. If Luka joins the lakers next year it’s gonna be a problem. He’s white if you didn’t know.
Peyton Lee U threw out 98% as if it was a fact, yet u have zero substantive data to back up that assertion. The fact of the matter is it was a combination of both, as the racial epithets hurled at them and other players serve as evidence of. And FYI plenty of sports fans openly cheer for black players, and are still racist as hell.
Imagine being Miami Florida's most beloved athlete for 13 years, dude definitely has Spanish women calling him "Sexy" every time he steps out in public
He said he came back because he promised his kids (school) that he would bring a title to Cleveland. While that may be true, I think he came back because of economics.
I’ve never been a LeBron fan before he arrived in Miami but we he arrived I feel for him for all the hate around him is something no other player have ever faced, I feel for him foreal and since became i great fan of his..Guy is Is the BOAT(best of all time) a leader of mens specially for black folks, care for his peer like no other because he uses his platform fearlessly to campaign against inequality and justice for black lives!!!Truth be said ✊🏿🔥🖤
I love Lebron, and everything he stands for. As a man, as a father as a leader of his community. The guy is an example of a man that as men we should all follow. However, when it comes to inequalities I do no appreciate how he handled the China situation. And I understand that he has to secure his bag and the NBA put pressure on him to direct himself to the media a certain way. With that being said, China is a communist country in which an individual has no rights to freedom. You do as you are told when you are told or you suffer consequences. Lebron had a chance to put some shine on the true oppression that people in China have to go through, but he chose not to and looked the other way. I did not like that move at all. Still love him as a ball player though.
Fernando Macias Choosing for yourself and where you wanna play and spend years of your life with your family have to be dictated by how fans will feel 😂lol... Fans sometimes are soo delusional!!
People were also mad because he wasnt doing what Jordan and Kobe were doing which was staying in the organization and wait to be built around. However, MJ and Kobe had the fortune of being drafted to the good organizations that would continue to make moves to stay competitive. Cleveland however was a sorry organization and the front office was hindering Lebrons career, they could've had Amar'e Stoudemiare to pair up with Lebron and they messed that up too. My point is, why should we fault Lebron for leveling the playing field and putting himself into a favorable situation that Cleveland failed to do like LA and Chicago with Jordan and Kobe? Dont hate Lebron for leaving and doing what was best for him, his career, and his family as a whole.
@@yaj2805 not very lucky, trade also came from his talent because if Jerry west didn’t recognize his potential from the workout he saw of Kobe, he would’ve been in charlotte
Not true, Jordan was just so good other players wanted to be with him. Lebron begs other players to join him. He had big Z and Williams who were allstars
People were also mad because he wasnt doing what Jordan and Kobe were doing which was staying in the organization and wait to be built around. However, MJ and Kobe had the fortune of being drafted to the good organizations that would continue to make moves to stay competitive. Cleveland however was a sorry organization and the front office was hindering Lebrons career, they could've had Amar'e Stoudemiare to pair up with Lebron and they messed that up too. My point is, why should we fault Lebron for leveling the playing field and putting himself into a favorable situation that Cleveland failed to do like LA and Chicago with Jordan and Kobe? Dont hate Lebron for leaving and doing what was best for him, his career, and his family as a whole.
@@sylegacy4470 I agree, but the part where you are wrong is....Kobe was drafted by the Hornets and they TRADED him to the Lakers because they wanted Vlade Divac.
JJ, I’m glad to have found you doin your own thing. I think you have the personality for it. Your relationship with other pro players allows you to ask more personal questions. Good work bro. Juss earned a fan over here.
@TruMusic89 + you realise that once lebron leaves, the league is just gonna focus on another player. Then will you want them to retire also? Just appreciate greatness
Him speaking of feeling hate and that energy returning to Cleveland is crazy That atmosphere was tough and you can feel that tension just watching the game at home
Excellent discussion. It's hard to answer hypotheticals but I wonder if "The Last Dance" had been produced and released prior to "The Decision" if the response to LeBron would have been different particularly as it relates to how owners and executives treat players in their business decisions?
LeBron paved the way for 🧁 Durant NBA should have blocked KD for joining the warriors, that was a freaking dream team made up to beat LeBron. Disgusting
Facts but they denied cp3 to lakers so Kobe wouldn’t get more rings than Jordan and let the warriors team up to keep lebron from winning every year after the 3-1 comeback everybody knew lebron was ima different mode
So Lebron can assemble multiple all stars now with 3 different teams but the Warriors who where mostly draft picks can’t add one player at the expense of their bench. If Lebron had his way he would also have Kawhi with AD to go with Veteran ex Allstar role players. Lebron would most probably still be chasing his first ring if he did not keep stacking the deck. No mater how you look at it Durant’s titles are equivalent to Lebron’s, but the Nowitzki’s, Duncan’s, Kobe’s and MJ’s for example that had the struggle of being built over time to become a great team truely exemplifies greatness.
They couldn't have blocked KD from joining the Warriors though. They could only block the CP3 trade because at the time the Pelicans were owned by the NBA. If the NBA owned the Warriors in 2017 then they could've blocked that signing but they didn't so there would've been no way of blocking that signing.
The difference between lebron and other greats is they weren't drafted into dysfunctional organizations or a constantly dysfunctional organization. The bulls were somewhat dysfunctional at the time mj was drafted but they were able to pull it together and make some good moves. It's not a knock on other players that they got drafted into good situations but lebron simply didn't. That's also the difference between kd and bron's move, kd's front office surrounded him with a good group of players and he wasnt able to get it done, to be fair to him though in 2013 russ went down and in 2015 he went down so who knows what wouldve happened otherwise. Also kd made an unprecedented team and lebron made an unprecedented move, in the modern nba theres never been a team with as much talent as that warriors team there have been teams with as much talent as the heat, but bron was the first to successfully put a team together. I wouldve had no real issue if kd went anywhere else, even san antonio but in my opinion him going to the warriors ruined the competitive balance of the league, and it could set a bad precedent for future players to do the same.
When LeBron said he spoke to KG b4 he made that decision, I understood... KG gave 11(I think) years b4 he left. And Minnesota would've kept KG their forever with no help... Cleveland Management wasn't for LeBron that 1st go around... or 2nd for that matter... But Bron gave them everything for those first 8(I think) years and never tried to get out of his contract, like other players at the time... smh at the hate he got for a charity event smh.
People hate on the heat but "superteams" were always fun to watch especially when they're lead by a hungry superstar. That narrative changed in 2017 though when the warriors assembled the avengers then it wasn't fun anymore lmao. But right now we're in the era of dynamic duos and it's awesome
I loved the Heat during Bron's first year before. I love watching movies and rooting for the bad guy and the Heat might as well had been wearing all black.
I think they are missing a point that Cleveland had nothing in terms of sports, and then they get LeBron in 2003, and he was supposed to their savior. They make Finals in 2007, get close another few years, and then he leaves. LeBron leaving affected Cleveland's economy because of all the merch sold with his name on it. But then he comes back, wins them a ring, and Cleveland fans were fine with him leaving in 2018 because he came back and got them a ring.
False. Jordan didn't come in the league with a dominate team. The Bulls were absolute garbage when Jordan was drafted. For six seasons Jordan didn't have an allstar teammate until 1990. Also, players didn't just leave in their prime. They stayed til the job was done. Look at Dominique Wilkins. Spent his entire prime of his career with the Hawks and never came close to winning. Hakeem Olajuwon waited 10 years to get a ring with the Rockets. Players didn't just pack up and leave when things didn't go their way back then.
@@gdiggedy9 MJ signed a 10yr contract as a rookie. He won 3 rings during that rookie contract, so why would he leave? Lebron left for Miami after signing 2 contracts with Cleveland and when the second contract was completed.
@@gdiggedy9 : unfortunately, you have a lot of clowns today who make NBA greatness so much about rings. That's what changed from the 80s and 90s. It's so bad that there was a point that LeBron in his prime wasn't on people's top 5 lists of players in the league =just at the moment=.
@@gdiggedy9 true. Lebron left cleveland to win ring by building super team in miami, he was the first allstar who build superteam with young allstars 30 yrs of age and below.. in boston, garnett joined pierce but that was ok cause he was 32 then and getting old.. when miami lost, he LEFT them. kyrie and love were rising allstars so he sign up again in cleveland with rising allstars.. love got injured then lebron again LEFT him going to lakers. Lakers did not make it up in playoffs and injuries excuse, he got back early but still losing so he made that excuse big time. 2020, stacked team again so lebron did not have to fake injuries anymore. Lakers had to be champs because of the movie space jam 2 otherwise no one will watch it. AD knew what was going to happen that is why he was forcing pelicans to trade him to lakers,he did not know that he will be used just like love kyrie and wade bosh. Lebron would be much appreciated if he stayed in miami or cleveland but no, he knows how to pick allstars who is performing well in a number of years then recruits them, if they do not peform anymore, he LEAVES
@@mr.k8902 What difference does it make if a player leaves by asking for a trade to play with other great players or leaving as a free agent? Either way the objective is to win. Kevin Garnett said that he wished that he left the Timberwolves earlier. Do you realize how bad the Cavaliers organization is? Look at how terrible they were before Lebron came and after he left! The Cavaliers were too good to draft a star when Lebron was there because they were winning and star free agents outside of Lebron have never signed with Cleveland. If the organization is incompetent in adding good pieces what's so terrible about Lebron controlling his own destiny? Star players in the past stayed with their teams because they were stuck in long contracts and couldn't leave the team had all the leverage over the players. Karl Malone wanted to be traded from the Jazz but they refused to trade him, by the time he was a free agent he was old and never won a ring. Pippen was acquired in a trade for Olden Polyniece does Jordan win six rings if Seattle keeps Pippen? The Bulls got Rodman for a bag of chips take those lopsided trades away and MJ is ringless. Magic and Bird walked onto loaded teams . Guys like Dominique, Mailman , Barkley couldn't win because their teams didn't make the moves that the Lakers, Celtics and Bulls did to set them up to succeed. Put those same ringless greats on those winning teams and they would win too. How do you know that Lebron's injury was fake ? The Lakers were fourth in the west and 2 games out of first when he got injured why fake an injury then? The Lakers are far from being a super team outside of the top two players no one else on the team is consistently good. Haters like you have no problem with Lebron's competition stacking the deck staying with one team only matters if it's Lebron who goes to another team and wins.
Am i a fan of Lebron? No. Do I respect him? Yes. Hes the best right now. But.. If anyone is weak... its Kevin Durant.. and Paul George. Kevin Durant made the weakest move in NBA history..
k brown im curious too! Lol my top 5 is 1.Jordan 2. Kobe 3.Lebron but that could change cause Lebron isn’t finished. not sure who i’d choose as my next two. Maybe Dirk
Michael Jordan didn't leave because he already had the second best player in the league on his team Scottie Pippen, and probably the greatest defender/hustle player in NBA history
Damien Butler he threw a tantrum and retired bc jerry Krause wouldn’t rehire Phil Jackson lol. A real competitor would’ve played with whoever was the coach
@@damienbutler8508 he also said Scottie Pippen was selfish for sitting out because he wasn't getting paid like the second best player in the world. He called Scottie selfish because he knew that he needed Scottie on his team in order to win championships and Jordan didn't want to take pay cuts so he wanted his other great teammates to take pay cuts instead. Jordan is selfish and greedy and only cares about himself and his own legacy. He used Scottie and Rodman to be named the "GOAT". But he's not
Lebron was at his very best in Miami. The work ethic, versatility, defense, mental fortitude and leadership skills he learned with the Heat and from Wade himself made him leaps and bounds better than who he was before he went to Miami. It made it possible for him to get Cleveland that championship which I still believe they didn’t deserve. I am a lifelong Heat fan from Miami and I witnessed the hate the country, the league, the media and Cleveland were throwing our way and particularly at Lebron. The hostility and hate he got from those fans was actually scary to the point where police were ready to intervene if someone decided to go over the line. Think about that. This man just decided to go to another team and people were ready to cause him physical harm. It was insane and I don’t know how he forgave them enough to even go back there again.
In the years leading up to “the decision” a handful of teams cleared cap space in anticipation of signing LeBron. Those fanbases felt scorned by him in addition to Cleveland because LeBron hadn’t delivered a championship.
Not until KD made a weaker decision. KD’s fans always defend him that KD destroyed LeBron in the finals but KD only played well because the pressure is not there, Curry and Klay took all the pressure off him but when he’s with his own team back in OKC, he didn’t play like he was in GSW because the pressure is on him but his team was also better. That is the reason KD will just be a HoFer but will never be in a discussion with other greats like Jordan, Kobe and LeBron.
We can all agree that LeBron is the most influential player of this era...he was the first to do it...you can't be mad if someone else decides to one up you in those regards...it's like a company takes another companies idea but improving on it... In this case KD just took the idea from LeBron and make a weaker move...if you want to blame someone...blame the guy who was the best player in the world and decided to make a custom built team in Miami....he basically gave the rest of the NBA the green light to go out on their own and join whoever...look at the PG13 and kawhi situation LMFAO
Michael Oates exactly. It wasn’t bad because he joined a team that is not very great and made it great team also they weren’t that great from the start or the first season but at that time, it was a bad decision. Then KD’s decision came which made his legacy weaker which is now he realize and tryna win it without Curry and Klay or I should say not joining an already super team. That one mistake is the reason KD will only be a HoFer and a champ but not gonna be compared to greats like Jordan, Kobe and LeBron.
I get lebron leaving Cleveland. They never got him a strong enough co star to compete. The only thing I said was weak was he joined Dwayne wade who was like a top 3-10 player at the time depending on how you argued it. On top of that he recruited Chris Bosh who put on a fantastic show in the olympics. Regardless I don’t blame him for doing what he did. He’s still the #2 player of all time.
Y’all reaching with KD. “Uncomfortable with powerful black men making decisions.” Real NBA fans were upset because it made the league unbalanced for 3 straight year. Not because of the color of his skin. Only because of the decision he made and the ripple effect it had on the league. NBA today is in a much better place with more parity in the league.
wirelessbrain12 Let me guess, you can find fans of all of the players you mentioned that agree with you, and it’s a fact, right? Further, The only one of the 3 that had real chance to win a ring was Harden anyhow. Westbrook was too busy chasing stats and going home after the 1st round.
wirelessbrain12 Dame and Westbrook wasn’t making the finals regardless. The Kd move helped the rockets matchup better against the warriors. Because the rockets can’t keep up with the warriors fast ball without Kd. Look at last year playoffs.
Agreed, LeBron paved the way for KD. Wasn't racism, it was cheap by KD and it was bad for the league. Why would I buy season tickets for my team knowing they have no chance to win...not a sustainable business model
the two He was specifically referring to a vocal minority of fans. Trust me-they exist. He also said “of course” a lot of people were made because of X, Y, and Z that didn’t have to do with race. But there’s definitely the former as well.
The thing is Jordan didn’t go team up with other Superstars because they were brought to his team. Scottie was the second best player in the game arguably at the time, if not top 5. So ppl have that misconception.
I've said the same as well. A lot of people argue "but Jordan never left so that makes Lebron soft", why would Jordan ever need to leave? *Scottie Pippen* was drafted by *Jerry Krause* and they both were coached by *Phil Jackson* - in the second 3peat they even traded for *Dennis Rodman*. All of which were top 5/10 at their respective position and are in the Hall of Fame; Jordan never even had a reason to leave! Whereas Lebron was never afforded that luck or luxury to sit around a wait for his all-time great cast to show up, Cleveland wasn't doing it for him so he moved on. The best Lebron could have gotten is getting convinced to stay and somehow Cleveland trades everything to land Anthony Davis? But that's unlikely to the point of silliness.
Let’s not forget Pippen was drafted and grew in time. Phil was a fairly new head coach then. They along with MJ grew together within a short time span to form the backbone of that dynasty. A different path to success compared to LeBron. No right or wrong. You can’t discredit one path to make the case for the other. Ain’t right. Like winning with 3 different teams has more value than winning 3x in a row... twice! Both are difficult, period.
Pippen was a bench player when he came up... he developed playing with Jordan.. and he was never ever the 2nd best player in the league.. ever... and he didn’t even make the All Star team for 2 of their championships.. and for the 2nd Threepeat he avg 17ppg on 40% fg in those 3 Finals..
@@shawnvalerio6836 absolutely. All I’m saying that LeBron’s winning situations were not that far off from Jordan’s in that Jordan was not doing it alone and Michael’s teammates were comprable to Lebron’s when they both won
LeBron picked his teams every time he won. That holds no value, winning three in a row with one team is harder. You have every team in the league gunning for you when players actually wanted to play rather than cry.
Imagine him staying in Cleveland? A team that failed to give u proper supporting cast😂 He came back to their trash team and they still failed that's why nobody will stay there The first thing nobody wants to go their
They gave him a supporting cast that complement his game. The problem was that they couldn’t land a big man to Cleveland. The second time around he had a good supporting cast
A good supporting cast that be recruited. That team was put together right when he got there. Don't give credit to the organization for that; that was all LeBron.
If Bron had been given to him a team in Cleveland which would have helped him reach his potential and win a chip, he wouldn’t have left in the first place
True but u and I both know that Cleveland team just wasn’t capable of winning it all and historically its such a struggle for Cleveland to attract free agents I just always wonder what lebron career would have been like had he been drafted to a more prestigious franchise
LeBron almost got them to a championship but it was basically him against the Spurs. If somehow they had won that, the decision would've been less criticized, but still hated on. People forget he dragged the worst finals team ever on his back.
@@adrianlkmaflksdfa3999 In the worst Eastern conference year. Two 41 teams back to back and a washed Pistons team with no Ben Wallace. Just shows how garbage his conference is
Bron was hated cuz he chose to team up with Wade who was the scoring champ and actually posted better stats overall than the Lebron who was named MVP. The idea of basically having 2 MVPs at the same team was too OP back then that Lebron's move to Miami looked cowardly.
Nop, that is one stupid comment bro. Lebron gets hate coz most people think MJ is the goat and they can't accept that LBJ is better than MJ all the way period
Lol wade had no merit over Bron as the MVP in 2009. Cavs won 66 games off the strength of Bron and the heat won 43. The cavs wasn’t stacked either so don’t use that. Also people hated the fact they he wanted to control his own destiny. They were ok with him on losing franchise
But they didnt call up their buddy's in their primes and say he lets play together..... Thats the issue we have. with that Miami team... If lebron and the bronsexuals wouldn't have start calling lebron the GOAT there would have never been the hatred. Not to mention the thing on the stage with " not 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 in a row" rubbed everyone the wrong way.
Tbh nobody doesn't hate Lebron for going to Miami... everybody hated how KD left and joined a team who had a the best record and had them down 3-1 🤦🏽♂
You must be like 19. Everyone hated lebron going to miami. It was the same thing as KD going to GS. This nigga lebron thought he was creating a juggernaut or did you forget when he said "not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven" championships.
@@Idk22221 thank you because if Lebron when to Boston and as a Celtics fan I would be mad because some of the players we had going to get traded, also Rando at the time would be on Lebron head way more than how Mario Chalmers called Lebron a bih.
LeBron, and Bosh were 26 , and Wade was 28, they were at the peak of their prime. Allen, Garnett and Pierce were 32,31,and 30 respectively at the tail end of their prime, those two moves aren't exactly the same.
@@cjpe2265 Oscar Robertson, Micheal Jordan is the reason players are able to make big money and free agent moves. If u don't know it's true. Go so your research. Not knocking how or what LBJ did by no means. LBJ made it okay for a big name player to join up with other big name players.
@@madeinheaven1860 or maybe I like to see actual competition that comes from good drafting, good coaching, team building and development. Not just trying to assemble as many superstars as you can on one roster
Exactly and the bronsexuals calling the 97,98,99 rockets a superteam... Barkley was at the end, Hakeem was at the end and so was drexler and pippen was also on the decline... Hardly a superteam
Even back then I loved how Lebron made that decision to leave Cavs... Lions shouldn't gaf about sheeps' opinion, I love how he went his own way and not let fans, media, Cavs organisation and everyone else dictate his life... and this is coming from someone who isn't a fan of Lebron in general.
JJ: "Why did people hate LeBron James in Miami?"
Wade: "Sexiness."
Lmao bro I got uncomfortable how many times he said that 🤦🏽♂️
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@@remybuxaplenty2573 he's a pansexual
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LeBron probably wouldn’t have left Cleveland if the cavs gave him a good team.
Exactly
Nobody can win in Cleveland
Then wen they get stars there already washed like shaq, past prime wade, drose
Ya if he had everyone in their prime in all his years with the cavs he wouldve never left because a prime d Wade a prime d rose a prime Shaq a prime Ben Wallace the list goes on and on
True but they tried the year before had a top 10 pick in Wagner that was suppose to be kyire before kyire then Lebron told boozer to leave they tried to get Micheal redd and he didn’t come but got the second best player that was a free agent in that time in Larry Hughes he just so happened to be injury prone so they tried they made trades to help support Lebron they tried just doesn’t no one wants to come to Cleveland 😂 it wasn’t management fault
Yup. He obviously have no help. When he left cleveland, they just shrunk instantly.
At that time Cleveland was only using LeBron for fame. They don't care about championship. They can just drag anyone and give that guy a CAVS jersey to play with LeBron. They didn't even try. While Miami was ready to win a chip of course Bec of the Legendary Pat Riley, he knew what to do. They wasted Lebron's first 8th years??(correct me if I'm wrong) if they didn't waste his talents. LeBron would have stayed and win at least 3 or 4 more rings.. cancel out the 2 miami rings then. 4 or 5 total rings
Dwyane Wade resume:
3× NBA champion (2006, 2012, 2013)
NBA Finals MVP (2006)
13× NBA All-Star (2005-2016, 2019)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2010)
2× All-NBA First Team (2009, 2010)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2006, 2011)
3× All-NBA Third Team (2007, 2012, 2013)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2005, 2009, 2010)
NBA scoring champion (2009)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004)
No. 3 retired by Miami Heat
Beware of the 9/10 jokes
@@wetyang3710 damn people still use that joke?
Olympic gold medalist too
Andi Rezki casuals still mad DJJ won when he was clearly the better dunker 😭😂
3rd best sg of all time. Harden 4th ngl
So... even after all that transpired that night in Cleveland, Bron was willing to leave a potential dynasty in Miami to go home and bring that city a chip. Wow.
And man it feels great to know nobody can ever say he didn’t win one in Cleveland. Years from now people gonna look back and think about how amazing of a player he really was.
That's greatness
Came back from a 3-1 deficit to win it too. Literally amazing.
@@Bidness32 Came back from a 3-1 deficit Vs a 73 Win team and the 2016 MVP.
@@rampageclips0504 I really don’t think kevin love is a future hall of famer lol
JJ: why’d everyone hate lebron
DWade: Too sexy
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@Hoax : it's appropriate that your post is at 69 likes, as of this writing.
No one:
D Wade: That’s sexy... 9/10
Making free agency sexy. LOL. Don't change.
thatsupapro Kid - Zaya changed his whole vocabulary
Yeah sounds fruty like his son
@@dandarling1929 get out of here with your homophobia
Just saying sexy that many times and your son a unicorn sounds suspect!!
“By 2014 my knees weren’t feeling so sexy”
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Watch your mouth boy
Why doesn’t this have more likes😂😭
"Even pouring champagne on my knees didn't feel sexy."
drinking game: take a shot every time wade says any iteration of “sexy.”
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That's sexy 🤣🤣
LOLOLOL bro he sound like a hollywood producer
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Ahh thats hot thats hot
“Why was lebron hated “ wade- “ because he was just sexier then mj”
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And that's when I took it personal
Bruh 😂
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D Wade sounds like a undercover Dennis Rodman..."it didn't look sexy"
Lebron is one of those guys that will not be appreciated until after he's gone. Hardworking, driven, family man, and pretty much spotless as far as scandals (at least publically), but not perfect which gives him that drop of humanity that superstars sometimes seem to lack because of their feats.
He aint kobe bro lol thats something u said about kobe
@@marcosjuarez1490 Bruh, I like Kobe and am a Kobe stan but the man literally has a rape allegation on his resume. The absolute WORST things you can say about Lebron are all related to basketball (Decision, lack of clutch, he's not MJ/GOAT).
@@theCHILLIntrovert And 1 of the critiques ain't correct. LeBron doesn't always take the last shot, but statistically his clutch numbers are very close to MJ, way above Kobe and he has more game winners than MJ in playoff games (in more games played, of course).
Lol you must not know about Yesjulz then
@@Inthecommentsfornow I do, but look at what you're saying. The *worst* thing we've got on him is literally just an extramarital *allegation* (because we don't actually know).
Wade says “sexy” a lot 😂
NEWSFLASH you "late bloomer" ... *SEXY* is an "urban term" used for *anything with winning appeal* OR *anything popular*
That’s why he has a sexy wife?
@@eyewatch2see77 it's cringe.
TT he just says it too much lmaooo
That’s the LeBron I liked the most, actually.
Right Very Explosive !
Same here if you were going to build a basketball player he would look like Miami Heat LeBron James 😂
He was too good
and he didnt even shy away from it, dude loved being the villain for those 4 seasons
@@SmoovyNovaFan that's what made him so raw, watching him win his first title felt like Megatron took down Optimus prime lol
The irony: Bron comes back and wins a ring for the Cavs! Lesson in life: DO NOT burn bridges when you don't have to!!!!!!!!
Wow, if Cavs provided lebron with similar talent in the 2016 Cavs back in Lebron's first stint in Cleveland den he wouldn't have to burn no bridge now would he. Ya'll just hating, whos to say if Lebron never left Cleveland hed even have Rings. Now some people can say he would a still got Kyrie if yu sayin dat yu are dumb as hell
More like don't burn jerseys
How about you don't burn jerseys like its normal. JJ is correct they don't want black men making decisions for themselves, much of the racist fan base couldn't stand it.
LeBron made the owner of the Cavs look stupid when the Cavs won the championship...imo
BIHM III No doubt. Which is why I’m glad LeBron left again after winning the championship. He set out his goal and accomplished it for the fans and continued his career while the Cavs front office continue to be incompetent.
Hell I'm glad Lebron left...Cavs GM and owner never got him any help....we forgot Kobe was finna leave LA if he didn't get any help
He had solid players. 60 win teams with the best defence in the league. Bron got outplayed by Hedo Turkoglu against the Magic in the finals.
But Kobe didn't leave.. And they didn't give him pau and another superstar such as Carmelo Anthony. They just gave him Pau.
@@jaccbolton Do u see how Cleveland looks every time Lebron leaves? He literally carries them Cleveland teams to 60 wins and so on....yall can say Kyrie this and kyrie that but what was kyrie doing with Cleveland before Lebron came back? The GM doesn't even surround him with what he needs like a GM supposed to...Lebron gotta recruit and play basketball
@@TayG_9Deuce you only checking for LeBron like all his fans do. He didn't go back to Cleveland by himself. Lmao he came with another superstar.
@@jaccbolton What other superstar? Hope yeen talking about Deron Williams lol
Wade looks like rick ross's mini me with those shades😂
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Wow
Bruh I deadass thought this was a Rick Ross virtual interview before I looked and saw D Wade lol
😂 I’m trying to unsee it now
more like gucci mane
It wasn't Jordan did it that way, it was because till Kobe, the superstars wasn't let go and the franchises built the team around them. And most of the stars wasted time because of that. Lebron didn't want to leave to franchises and took control. That was the hate. NBA was a business, Lebron just made sure the players received their share of it by taking better control.
Unfortunately his ego also played a big part so no it wasn't 100 percent like the backlash wasn't justified. The Not 1-6 rings comment, him holding a 2 hour T.V. special about where he was going to sign, and making fun of Dirk's health in the 2011 Finals. Yes he made a business decision that helped players control their destiny's(except he isn't the only one to do this, but that doesn't mean he isn't still a huge egomaniac to boot.
@@beastmode218 well he sure isn't the only one to do it, but he was the first one. he was an actual superstar that decided to move on by himself without getting traded
@@beastmode218 U do know that 2 hour special proceeds went to charity right?
@@_bwebb You do know he could've just made a donation instead of that circus act right? He is a narcissistic egomaniac.
@@beastmode218 you do know he could do both right?
The Cavs never put no one around Bron, just like the wolves didn’t put no one around KG & The pelicans didn’t put no one around CP3 or AD. If I was in that situation I would leave the team/organization as well.
Actually CP3 and KG had really good player’s around him. They just played in a conference where 1-8 could be separated by a half game or two. The western conference used to be tough. You could lose a game, and drop 3 spots. CP3 has had every chance to win, and Garnett went to Boston at the right time.
Personally I think if Lebron didn’t have that large announcement with the show of the 3 of them coming out saying they’d basically win 1-7 championship’s. It wouldn’t have had the impact of the hate on him.
KD went to GS, and basically said f%ck what everyone thinks. Lol
Lebron is still the top player’s of his generation.
Jordan is still the top player of his Generation.
When Lebron leave’s, the NBA is going to have a problem.
💯 none of them teams couldn’t afford too do it Jordan and kobe was lucky because them two franchises have money and BIG REVENUE due too winning back in the day Chicago big as New York so it was plenty money for mike to get them great talents plus puppet contract was terrible so they had it Bron fasho would’ve stayed home
I got to disagree with the ad part, if boogie doesn't get hurt I think they make a couple more playoff appearances and win a series or so, and don't forget they had holiday as well
@@mockingslur6945 KG had a good team one year and then management fucked it all up by trying to play the system and getting caught
@@infinitymixtapes9562 I know KG is great, just maybe a fringe Top 5 power forward in the last 2-3 generation’s. It is really hard era’s because of rule change’s, and medicall-sport’s science.
To think of all the people who burned his Jersey, the owner who insulted him, yet Lebron came back and delivered on his promise and gave Cleveland their championship. While getting that championship, he also gave back to his home town and home state Ohio, Akron. Seriously, most people in his shoes would have given the middle finger and moved and stayed somewhere that appreciated him.
Here are the picks the Cavs during Lebron's first stint: 10th, 55th (2nd round), 42nd (2nd round), 25th, 19th, 46th (2nd), 30th, 54th (2nd round). Simply put, Lebron carried those Cavs teams too far, so they never got high picks.
The Bulls drafted Pippen by MJ's third season (5th). Kobe had Shaq since his very first year. Shaq was dominant since his first season and took the Magic to the finals before Kobe was even drafted. How can someone take Lebron and compare his situation to these two? The Bulls only won two games less after MJ left, and they were one bad call from making the ECF (without MJ). Shaq left and won another ring with the Heat. While the Cavs went from winning 60+ games to 19 games right after Lebron left. The Cavs also never made the playoffs (despite drafting Kyrie and a few other high picks) until Lebron came back.
Good point but you fail to mention the fact that ppl miss this fact that Cleveland could've had Kawhi Leonard instead of Tristan Thompson the game would be over!!!! Why Tristan Thompson 1st pick Cleveland just ducked as an organization 💯💯 small market for basketball very football dominant yet still LBJ went back home.... bc Cleveland had a great opportunity with picks they wasted!
preach
You do understand Bulls traded up to get pip?! You're clueless
@@bigweezo2341 bulls traded up. Pip also would had never turned out the same if Jordan wasn't bus teammate. Jordan pushed all of his teammates to be better, Lebron didn't.
Lebron has taken a lot of disrespect from people who really don't know anything about basketball. His talent will truly be appreciated more after he steps away from the game.
Game ain’t gonna be the same when he leaves. The man is greatness personified.
Thats a fact!
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thats how the human mind works, they value everything more once they don't have it anymore
LeBron represents the uncontrollable athlete who dared to take his destiny into his own hands.
America is comfortable with the “dumb jock” who is only an object of their entertainment.
If Pat Riley would have been perceived as the mastermind behind the LeBron TRADE and the Bosh signing he would have been labeled the GM of the year and heaped with praise.
The fact that this was viewed as athletes making their own decisions enraged a specific demographic.
When Lebron went to Miami I became an even bigger fan of his.
It Was Turn Up Time Then Lol
@Dustin T Nothing but facts.
Me t2
I hate when people compare Lebron going to Miami to KD going to the 73-9 already champion Warriors. Not the same at all. Cleveland never had any talent the likes of a Russell Westbrook, James Harden or Serge Ibaka. And KD joining the Warriors, would've been more like Bron, joining the Celtics' big 3, since he lost to that team, and they already won a chip. Bron joined a team from scratch pretty much. People were gonna hate on Bron regardless, because they don't want him to be the GOAT🤷🏾♂️
Yeah, a team with a prime DWade and Chris Bosh is certainly starting from scratch.
Roberto Francisco R. Beltran bosh was ok lmao
Roberto Francisco R. Beltran Prime wade?
We can all agree that LeBron is the most influential player of this era...he was the first to do it...you can't be mad if someone else decides to one up you in those regards...it's like a company takes another companies idea but improving on it... In this case KD just took the idea from LeBron and make a weaker move...if you want to blame someone...blame the guy who was the best player in the world and decided to make a custom built team in Miami....he basically gave the rest of the NBA the green light to go out on their own and join whoever...look at the PG13 and kawhi situation LMFAO
Bron wasn’t winning a ring with Russell either especially in the West
This why I don't understand how LeBron went back to Cleveland after how they treated him. From the owner to fans.
@Elle Mack: Lebron went back because had an agenda in Ohio, that he ultimately achieved *on AND off the court*
That just shows you how mentally strong he is and how basketball is more than just a game. I remember when he delivered that championship to Cleveland, espcially in the manner that he did? Down 3-1 to a team that won 73 games that year? To me that moment solidified his legacy. You debate and say he isnt the GOAT but that right there was some GOAT type sh**
He felt Guilty at least he got the ring
Evil Lebron was a Demi God the first loss to Dallas lit a fire in his soul just on an in game level he attacked the basket early and often he made big shots and started the chase down blocks not so sure how good his actual defensive numbers were over that span but the effort on D was uncanny
Lebron would drop 40 and then go guard 1-5 on defense it was nuts
The chasedown blocks started in Cleveland...like 08-09
America just cares too much about sports, why would a player switching teams make you emotional. When a player gets cut it’s funny, but if he leaves he’s Judas. It’s a joke 🤷🏽♂️
Michael Jordan was a tread setter when it comes to being a marketable player and legend. That became the tradition and definition of how players should follow the example.
LBJ took a different route as explained by both guys in the podcast. Not everyone gets to be Micheal Jordan or LeBron James. Every individual has the right to live out their life by the choices they live by.
Idk what them being black has to do with it tho. Oh wait it doesn’t. People aren’t mad because he’s black.
@@peytonlee6791...didn't you understand what DWade was saying? "Fans" were angry because Black guys had the power to make their own life decisions...and it's still true today. Some things never change.
Win H Bro 98% of people mad at Kd and lebron we’re leaving had anything to do about them being black. It’s because they are really good players, and now they are creating super teams. Which means their team won’t win and they will easily win. I bet they wouldn’t care if lebron or Kd came to their team. Nothing to do with being black. If Luka joins the lakers next year it’s gonna be a problem. He’s white if you didn’t know.
Peyton Lee U threw out 98% as if it was a fact, yet u have zero substantive data to back up that assertion. The fact of the matter is it was a combination of both, as the racial epithets hurled at them and other players serve as evidence of. And FYI plenty of sports fans openly cheer for black players, and are still racist as hell.
My man using the term sexy too frequently 😂😂😂😂love Wade
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Timestamp?
Imagine being Miami Florida's most beloved athlete for 13 years, dude definitely has Spanish women calling him "Sexy" every time he steps out in public
@Kxd Vibe it do make u wonder lol
Look at his son....
Miami Heat LeBron was everyone's MyPlayer.
I mean, there was literally a campaign mode for Lebron in 2k14.
I took a shot every time DWade said "sexy."
I now have alcohol poisoning
I'll never understand Bron coming back to Cleveland after the fans exposed themselves as hateful racists
Its bigger than basketball
Cleveland had many assets to build super-team and good media narrative
I feel like home is home, but the main reason is because he couldn't win in Miami anymore.
Because he is a businessman first and then a ball player then a story teller
He said he came back because he promised his kids (school) that he would bring a title to Cleveland. While that may be true, I think he came back because of economics.
I’ve never been a LeBron fan before he arrived in Miami but we he arrived I feel for him for all the hate around him is something no other player have ever faced, I feel for him foreal and since became i great fan of his..Guy is Is the BOAT(best of all time) a leader of mens specially for black folks, care for his peer like no other because he uses his platform fearlessly to campaign against inequality and justice for black lives!!!Truth be said ✊🏿🔥🖤
It's called Consequences for Actions Aka Adult accountabiilty
I love Lebron, and everything he stands for. As a man, as a father as a leader of his community. The guy is an example of a man that as men we should all follow. However, when it comes to inequalities I do no appreciate how he handled the China situation. And I understand that he has to secure his bag and the NBA put pressure on him to direct himself to the media a certain way. With that being said, China is a communist country in which an individual has no rights to freedom. You do as you are told when you are told or you suffer consequences. Lebron had a chance to put some shine on the true oppression that people in China have to go through, but he chose not to and looked the other way. I did not like that move at all. Still love him as a ball player though.
Jordan the goat and Kobe is the boat. Lebron is the longevity goat.
Fernando Macias Choosing for yourself and where you wanna play and spend years of your life with your family have to be dictated by how fans will feel 😂lol...
Fans sometimes are soo delusional!!
X You 😏
Wade- "talking about sexy. How you talk is sexy JJ!" Lol
JJ's got a good podcast going here. Keep it up!
Like every time he says “SEXY”
People were also mad because he wasnt doing what Jordan and Kobe were doing which was staying in the organization and wait to be built around. However, MJ and Kobe had the fortune of being drafted to the good organizations that would continue to make moves to stay competitive. Cleveland however was a sorry organization and the front office was hindering Lebrons career, they could've had Amar'e Stoudemiare to pair up with Lebron and they messed that up too. My point is, why should we fault Lebron for leveling the playing field and putting himself into a favorable situation that Cleveland failed to do like LA and Chicago with Jordan and Kobe? Dont hate Lebron for leaving and doing what was best for him, his career, and his family as a whole.
This deserves more likes, wtf?
Actually Kobe was traded from Hornets to Lakers on draft day. So Kobe was very lucky he ended up in LA who just signed Shaq that year.
@@yaj2805 not very lucky, trade also came from his talent because if Jerry west didn’t recognize his potential from the workout he saw of Kobe, he would’ve been in charlotte
Not true, Jordan was just so good other players wanted to be with him. Lebron begs other players to join him. He had big Z and Williams who were allstars
@@SirJorge. like who 😂
DWade using the word sexy for the fun of it at this point
Connor The Star Wars fan - Zaya changed his whole vocabulary
That Record 😭😭😭 Facts Smh
If I got 1 dollar for every time dwade said “sexy” I would be a millionaire 😂🤣
You would have about 7 dollars
@@maddoxmonson222 invested in a Roth IRA for about 40 years with inflation and compound interest you would be millionaire lmao
Technically if he said it once you'd be a millionaire
People were mad cause when they came together they were in their primes and top superstars in the league
Local Hero he not talking about them he’s talking about the insane fans
Maybe the fanatics wanted him to play with other players past their prime Like he did in Cleveland
People were also mad because he wasnt doing what Jordan and Kobe were doing which was staying in the organization and wait to be built around. However, MJ and Kobe had the fortune of being drafted to the good organizations that would continue to make moves to stay competitive. Cleveland however was a sorry organization and the front office was hindering Lebrons career, they could've had Amar'e Stoudemiare to pair up with Lebron and they messed that up too. My point is, why should we fault Lebron for leveling the playing field and putting himself into a favorable situation that Cleveland failed to do like LA and Chicago with Jordan and Kobe? Dont hate Lebron for leaving and doing what was best for him, his career, and his family as a whole.
@@sylegacy4470 I agree, but the part where you are wrong is....Kobe was drafted by the Hornets and they TRADED him to the Lakers because they wanted Vlade Divac.
JJ man! You’re great at this. I like your style of interviewing and engaging other players in this format. Keep at it. Quality content
JJ, I’m glad to have found you doin your own thing. I think you have the personality for it. Your relationship with other pro players allows you to ask more personal questions. Good work bro. Juss earned a fan over here.
Really wish this team would have 3 peated literally my favorite team in history
Well ur fav team got embarrassed one year and smoked another.
Ziv_Zulander so did your team what’s the point 😂🤦🏾♂️
We'll really miss LeBron when he retires!
So will LeBron haters.
TruMusic89 - You say that now!
@TruMusic89 You’re going to miss him
@TruMusic89 You know Lebron isn’t going to retire in maybe another decade
@TruMusic89 + you realise that once lebron leaves, the league is just gonna focus on another player. Then will you want them to retire also? Just appreciate greatness
Him speaking of feeling hate and that energy returning to Cleveland is crazy
That atmosphere was tough and you can feel that tension just watching the game at home
Excellent discussion. It's hard to answer hypotheticals but I wonder if "The Last Dance" had been produced and released prior to "The Decision" if the response to LeBron would have been different particularly as it relates to how owners and executives treat players in their business decisions?
The "announcement" conference was a big part of it!
Totally agree except on the KD part. KD ruined the NBA for 3 years pretty much IMO.
LeBron paved the way for 🧁 Durant
NBA should have blocked KD for joining the warriors, that was a freaking dream team made up to beat LeBron. Disgusting
Facts but they denied cp3 to lakers so Kobe wouldn’t get more rings than Jordan and let the warriors team up to keep lebron from winning every year after the 3-1 comeback everybody knew lebron was ima different mode
I thought I was the only person that saw that and I thank you for bringing that comment up.
So Lebron can assemble multiple all stars now with 3 different teams but the Warriors who where mostly draft picks can’t add one player at the expense of their bench. If Lebron had his way he would also have Kawhi with AD to go with Veteran ex Allstar role players. Lebron would most probably still be chasing his first ring if he did not keep stacking the deck. No mater how you look at it Durant’s titles are equivalent to Lebron’s, but the Nowitzki’s, Duncan’s, Kobe’s and MJ’s for example that had the struggle of being built over time to become a great team truely exemplifies greatness.
azwan azmi most true thing I’ve ever heard
They couldn't have blocked KD from joining the Warriors though. They could only block the CP3 trade because at the time the Pelicans were owned by the NBA. If the NBA owned the Warriors in 2017 then they could've blocked that signing but they didn't so there would've been no way of blocking that signing.
The difference between lebron and other greats is they weren't drafted into dysfunctional organizations or a constantly dysfunctional organization. The bulls were somewhat dysfunctional at the time mj was drafted but they were able to pull it together and make some good moves. It's not a knock on other players that they got drafted into good situations but lebron simply didn't. That's also the difference between kd and bron's move, kd's front office surrounded him with a good group of players and he wasnt able to get it done, to be fair to him though in 2013 russ went down and in 2015 he went down so who knows what wouldve happened otherwise. Also kd made an unprecedented team and lebron made an unprecedented move, in the modern nba theres never been a team with as much talent as that warriors team there have been teams with as much talent as the heat, but bron was the first to successfully put a team together. I wouldve had no real issue if kd went anywhere else, even san antonio but in my opinion him going to the warriors ruined the competitive balance of the league, and it could set a bad precedent for future players to do the same.
When LeBron said he spoke to KG b4 he made that decision, I understood... KG gave 11(I think) years b4 he left. And Minnesota would've kept KG their forever with no help... Cleveland Management wasn't for LeBron that 1st go around... or 2nd for that matter... But Bron gave them everything for those first 8(I think) years and never tried to get out of his contract, like other players at the time... smh at the hate he got for a charity event smh.
It did start a trend of players teaming up, Which literally means no competition at all 🤷🏻♂️ Sad But True
Why Wade look like a healthy Rick Ross?!? That Tree-O-5 must have rubbed off on him
Since living in Miami and getting cooked by the Miami Heat. Wade is Blue Black. Lol.
People hate on the heat but "superteams" were always fun to watch especially when they're lead by a hungry superstar. That narrative changed in 2017 though when the warriors assembled the avengers then it wasn't fun anymore lmao. But right now we're in the era of dynamic duos and it's awesome
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that J.J. Redick’s playoff streak is over.
Dammit Zion !!!
😭😂😂I like how wade said “We” no people hated Bron Lmaoo no we
Drinking challenge:
Take a shot every time D wade says “Sexy”
I wanna know where is these people at where hoodies in this weather we been having 🤦🏿♂️
Yoo seriously...even in LA hoodie and skullcap in 90 degrees weather
Lebron on Heat stopped my favorite team Thunder from a championship ring so I have a reason to hate lol. They was on a tear then fall out afterwards
I loved the Heat during Bron's first year before. I love watching movies and rooting for the bad guy and the Heat might as well had been wearing all black.
There uniform was one point in time all black
@@VozzVozzGamez Those all black uniforms are only second to the Vice City jerseys.
Grateful for many smaller clips instead of massive long form video. So much more accessible
D wade looks like Rick Ross finally lost that extra 50 pounds 😂
I think they are missing a point that Cleveland had nothing in terms of sports, and then they get LeBron in 2003, and he was supposed to their savior. They make Finals in 2007, get close another few years, and then he leaves. LeBron leaving affected Cleveland's economy because of all the merch sold with his name on it. But then he comes back, wins them a ring, and Cleveland fans were fine with him leaving in 2018 because he came back and got them a ring.
Not his fault they based their economy on lebron
@@cameronboulin Did I say it was?
@@panama1942 then why you bring it up
He got hatred outside of Cleveland
@@criticalthought4910 That tends to happen when you form a superteam that unbalances the league
Jordan had a dominate team around him he didn’t have to leave. Cleveland was not gonna beat Boston.
False. Jordan didn't come in the league with a dominate team. The Bulls were absolute garbage when Jordan was drafted. For six seasons Jordan didn't have an allstar teammate until 1990. Also, players didn't just leave in their prime. They stayed til the job was done. Look at Dominique Wilkins. Spent his entire prime of his career with the Hawks and never came close to winning. Hakeem Olajuwon waited 10 years to get a ring with the Rockets. Players didn't just pack up and leave when things didn't go their way back then.
@@gdiggedy9 MJ signed a 10yr contract as a rookie. He won 3 rings during that rookie contract, so why would he leave? Lebron left for Miami after signing 2 contracts with Cleveland and when the second contract was completed.
@@gdiggedy9 : unfortunately, you have a lot of clowns today who make NBA greatness so much about rings. That's what changed from the 80s and 90s. It's so bad that there was a point that LeBron in his prime wasn't on people's top 5 lists of players in the league =just at the moment=.
@@gdiggedy9 true. Lebron left cleveland to win ring by building super team in miami, he was the first allstar who build superteam with young allstars 30 yrs of age and below.. in boston, garnett joined pierce but that was ok cause he was 32 then and getting old.. when miami lost, he LEFT them. kyrie and love were rising allstars so he sign up again in cleveland with rising allstars.. love got injured then lebron again LEFT him going to lakers. Lakers did not make it up in playoffs and injuries excuse, he got back early but still losing so he made that excuse big time. 2020, stacked team again so lebron did not have to fake injuries anymore. Lakers had to be champs because of the movie space jam 2 otherwise no one will watch it. AD knew what was going to happen that is why he was forcing pelicans to trade him to lakers,he did not know that he will be used just like love kyrie and wade bosh.
Lebron would be much appreciated if he stayed in miami or cleveland but no, he knows how to pick allstars who is performing well in a number of years then recruits them, if they do not peform anymore, he LEAVES
@@mr.k8902 What difference does it make if a player leaves by asking for a trade to play with other great players or leaving as a free agent? Either way the objective is to win. Kevin Garnett said that he wished that he left the Timberwolves earlier. Do you realize how bad the Cavaliers organization is? Look at how terrible they were before Lebron came and after he left! The Cavaliers were too good to draft a star when Lebron was there because they were winning and star free agents outside of Lebron have never signed with Cleveland. If the organization is incompetent in adding good pieces what's so terrible about Lebron controlling his own destiny? Star players in the past stayed with their teams because they were stuck in long contracts and couldn't leave the team had all the leverage over the players. Karl Malone wanted to be traded from the Jazz but they refused to trade him, by the time he was a free agent he was old and never won a ring. Pippen was acquired in a trade for Olden Polyniece does Jordan win six rings if Seattle keeps Pippen? The Bulls got Rodman for a bag of chips take those lopsided trades away and MJ is ringless. Magic and Bird walked onto loaded teams . Guys like Dominique, Mailman , Barkley couldn't win because their teams didn't make the moves that the Lakers, Celtics and Bulls did to set them up to succeed. Put those same ringless greats on those winning teams and they would win too. How do you know that Lebron's injury was fake ? The Lakers were fourth in the west and 2 games out of first when he got injured why fake an injury then? The Lakers are far from being a super team outside of the top two players no one else on the team is consistently good. Haters like you have no problem with Lebron's competition stacking the deck staying with one team only matters if it's Lebron who goes to another team and wins.
Am i a fan of Lebron? No. Do I respect him? Yes. Hes the best right now. But.. If anyone is weak... its Kevin Durant.. and Paul George. Kevin Durant made the weakest move in NBA history..
k brown no question 🙌🏽
k brown top two 🤦🏾♂️
How KD weak? He fried Lebron in the finals for his rings😴
k brown im curious too! Lol my top 5 is 1.Jordan 2. Kobe 3.Lebron but that could change cause Lebron isn’t finished. not sure who i’d choose as my next two. Maybe Dirk
k brown top 10 is Jordan, Lebron, Kareem, Bird, Shaq, Bill russel, Magic, Wilt, Kobe, Duncan,
3:15 “How can you speak of me in this way?”😂
Michael Jordan didn't leave because he already had the second best player in the league on his team Scottie Pippen, and probably the greatest defender/hustle player in NBA history
Jordan didn’t leave because he was a true competitor
Damien Butler he threw a tantrum and retired bc jerry Krause wouldn’t rehire Phil Jackson lol. A real competitor would’ve played with whoever was the coach
@@damienbutler8508 he also said Scottie Pippen was selfish for sitting out because he wasn't getting paid like the second best player in the world. He called Scottie selfish because he knew that he needed Scottie on his team in order to win championships and Jordan didn't want to take pay cuts so he wanted his other great teammates to take pay cuts instead. Jordan is selfish and greedy and only cares about himself and his own legacy. He used Scottie and Rodman to be named the "GOAT". But he's not
It's a fact!
2nd best???? FOH Scottie was NOT a better player than Hakeem Olajuwon in the 90s 😂😂😂
Lebron was at his very best in Miami. The work ethic, versatility, defense, mental fortitude and leadership skills he learned with the Heat and from Wade himself made him leaps and bounds better than who he was before he went to Miami. It made it possible for him to get Cleveland that championship which I still believe they didn’t deserve. I am a lifelong Heat fan from Miami and I witnessed the hate the country, the league, the media and Cleveland were throwing our way and particularly at Lebron. The hostility and hate he got from those fans was actually scary to the point where police were ready to intervene if someone decided to go over the line. Think about that. This man just decided to go to another team and people were ready to cause him physical harm. It was insane and I don’t know how he forgave them enough to even go back there again.
I would be rich how many times wade says "sexy"
In the years leading up to “the decision” a handful of teams cleared cap space in anticipation of signing LeBron. Those fanbases felt scorned by him in addition to Cleveland because LeBron hadn’t delivered a championship.
“Please plug yourself “😂😂😂
Damn D Wade looking like a thin Rick Ross in that thumbnail. 😂🤣
Not until KD made a weaker decision. KD’s fans always defend him that KD destroyed LeBron in the finals but KD only played well because the pressure is not there, Curry and Klay took all the pressure off him but when he’s with his own team back in OKC, he didn’t play like he was in GSW because the pressure is on him but his team was also better. That is the reason KD will just be a HoFer but will never be in a discussion with other greats like Jordan, Kobe and LeBron.
We can all agree that LeBron is the most influential player of this era...he was the first to do it...you can't be mad if someone else decides to one up you in those regards...it's like a company takes another companies idea but improving on it... In this case KD just took the idea from LeBron and make a weaker move...if you want to blame someone...blame the guy who was the best player in the world and decided to make a custom built team in Miami....he basically gave the rest of the NBA the green light to go out on their own and join whoever...look at the PG13 and kawhi situation LMFAO
Michael Oates exactly. It wasn’t bad because he joined a team that is not very great and made it great team also they weren’t that great from the start or the first season but at that time, it was a bad decision. Then KD’s decision came which made his legacy weaker which is now he realize and tryna win it without Curry and Klay or I should say not joining an already super team. That one mistake is the reason KD will only be a HoFer and a champ but not gonna be compared to greats like Jordan, Kobe and LeBron.
I didnt know jj reddick does podcasting? Man hes got a future after the NBA
I get lebron leaving Cleveland. They never got him a strong enough co star to compete. The only thing I said was weak was he joined Dwayne wade who was like a top 3-10 player at the time depending on how you argued it. On top of that he recruited Chris Bosh who put on a fantastic show in the olympics. Regardless I don’t blame him for doing what he did. He’s still the #2 player of all time.
I lost track of how many times Wade said sexy 😂
Absolutely nobody
D.Wade: that’s sexy
Y’all reaching with KD. “Uncomfortable with powerful black men making decisions.”
Real NBA fans were upset because it made the league unbalanced for 3 straight year. Not because of the color of his skin. Only because of the decision he made and the ripple effect it had on the league.
NBA today is in a much better place with more parity in the league.
Nah. Fans tried to make it as such. It was really Lebron fans mad because they knew it was over for him.
@@adgee5401 So you telling me Harden, Westbrook, Lillard fans liked it? Ain't nobody liked it besides Lebron haters.
wirelessbrain12 Let me guess, you can find fans of all of the players you mentioned that agree with you, and it’s a fact, right? Further, The only one of the 3 that had real chance to win a ring was Harden anyhow. Westbrook was too busy chasing stats and going home after the 1st round.
wirelessbrain12 Dame and Westbrook wasn’t making the finals regardless. The Kd move helped the rockets matchup better against the warriors. Because the rockets can’t keep up with the warriors fast ball without Kd. Look at last year playoffs.
Agreed, LeBron paved the way for KD. Wasn't racism, it was cheap by KD and it was bad for the league. Why would I buy season tickets for my team knowing they have no chance to win...not a sustainable business model
Durant and LeBron backlash had 0 to do with race. Magic and Bird received lots of hate too. Geez
the two He was specifically referring to a vocal minority of fans. Trust me-they exist. He also said “of course” a lot of people were made because of X, Y, and Z that didn’t have to do with race. But there’s definitely the former as well.
@@AustinMulkaMusic stop it. Geezus wow
The thing is Jordan didn’t go team up with other Superstars because they were brought to his team. Scottie was the second best player in the game arguably at the time, if not top 5. So ppl have that misconception.
I've said the same as well. A lot of people argue "but Jordan never left so that makes Lebron soft", why would Jordan ever need to leave?
*Scottie Pippen* was drafted by *Jerry Krause* and they both were coached by *Phil Jackson* - in the second 3peat they even traded for *Dennis Rodman*. All of which were top 5/10 at their respective position and are in the Hall of Fame; Jordan never even had a reason to leave! Whereas Lebron was never afforded that luck or luxury to sit around a wait for his all-time great cast to show up, Cleveland wasn't doing it for him so he moved on.
The best Lebron could have gotten is getting convinced to stay and somehow Cleveland trades everything to land Anthony Davis? But that's unlikely to the point of silliness.
Let’s not forget Pippen was drafted and grew in time. Phil was a fairly new head coach then. They along with MJ grew together within a short time span to form the backbone of that dynasty. A different path to success compared to LeBron. No right or wrong. You can’t discredit one path to make the case for the other. Ain’t right. Like winning with 3 different teams has more value than winning 3x in a row... twice! Both are difficult, period.
Pippen was a bench player when he came up... he developed playing with Jordan.. and he was never ever the 2nd best player in the league.. ever... and he didn’t even make the All Star team for 2 of their championships.. and for the 2nd Threepeat he avg 17ppg on 40% fg in those 3 Finals..
@@shawnvalerio6836 absolutely. All I’m saying that LeBron’s winning situations were not that far off from Jordan’s in that Jordan was not doing it alone and Michael’s teammates were comprable to Lebron’s when they both won
LeBron picked his teams every time he won. That holds no value, winning three in a row with one team is harder. You have every team in the league gunning for you when players actually wanted to play rather than cry.
A big reason was how he did it, "the decision". And second was when he was talking about how many rings the Heat were going to win.
People wanted to see Lebron fail. Once he joined Miami they knew he wouldn't and that pissed them off.
Wade: I’ve never seen and heard so much hate
2020: Wait till you get a load of Trumpsters
He was hated when called himself the King after his high school game on ESPN .Skip Bayless start all that .
His name LeBron means "King" it's an African name So technically his mama called him King first
Skip Bayless is a jordan lover thats wh6
@@teresa-oj9rq i thought ot meant brown haired one. Where did you find his origin if u dont mind
@@dominicbrogsdale3348 just Google African name "LeBron". My brother in law let me know..from Nigeria
@@teresa-oj9rq ok thanks you much I'll relook at it KING sounds about what his name reflects!!!
Imagine him staying in Cleveland?
A team that failed to give u proper supporting cast😂
He came back to their trash team and they still failed that's why nobody will stay there
The first thing nobody wants to go their
They gave him a supporting cast that complement his game. The problem was that they couldn’t land a big man to Cleveland. The second time around he had a good supporting cast
A good supporting cast that be recruited. That team was put together right when he got there. Don't give credit to the organization for that; that was all LeBron.
@@goatman380 what good support cast?
N.R.G MØÑDYY kyrie, love, and jr. I remember the cavs wanted to trade or let go of Tristan Thompson and jr for better pieces and Lbj said no.
@@NRGMONDYY14 during 2015 to 2017, LBJ-Kyrie-Love was like a superteam and they dominated the East
Cleveland and OKC are markets that rarely see superstars so must really be emotional for fans to lose one! Even Lebum!
Nobody:
Dwayne wade: we were just sexy
If bron bought a chip to Cleveland before he left the first time. They wouldn’t have cared that he left.
If Bron had been given to him a team in Cleveland which would have helped him reach his potential and win a chip, he wouldn’t have left in the first place
True but u and I both know that Cleveland team just wasn’t capable of winning it all and historically its such a struggle for Cleveland to attract free agents I just always wonder what lebron career would have been like had he been drafted to a more prestigious franchise
@@siddharththakur7315 yup exactly
LeBron almost got them to a championship but it was basically him against the Spurs. If somehow they had won that, the decision would've been less criticized, but still hated on. People forget he dragged the worst finals team ever on his back.
@@adrianlkmaflksdfa3999 In the worst Eastern conference year. Two 41 teams back to back and a washed Pistons team with no Ben Wallace. Just shows how garbage his conference is
Bron was hated cuz he chose to team up with Wade who was the scoring champ and actually posted better stats overall than the Lebron who was named MVP. The idea of basically having 2 MVPs at the same team was too OP back then that Lebron's move to Miami looked cowardly.
And by the second year wade was a shell of his former self
Nop, that is one stupid comment bro. Lebron gets hate coz most people think MJ is the goat and they can't accept that LBJ is better than MJ all the way period
Van Jason Crisostomo that comment is right tho lmfao
Lol wade had no merit over Bron as the MVP in 2009. Cavs won 66 games off the strength of Bron and the heat won 43. The cavs wasn’t stacked either so don’t use that. Also people hated the fact they he wanted to control his own destiny. They were ok with him on losing franchise
@@Batangs-gp2uy delusional
UGLINESS just ain't in the inner city. It's in THE WORLD
The amount of times he said sexy 😂
Magic and Bird both played with 4 to 5 hall of famers. Those were true super teams...
But they didnt call up their buddy's in their primes and say he lets play together..... Thats the issue we have. with that Miami team... If lebron and the bronsexuals wouldn't have start calling lebron the GOAT there would have never been the hatred. Not to mention the thing on the stage with " not 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 in a row" rubbed everyone the wrong way.
I love Dwayne Wade but I feel like hes blowing the situation out of proportion.
How!!??
Tbh nobody doesn't hate Lebron for going to Miami... everybody hated how KD left and joined a team who had a the best record and had them down 3-1 🤦🏽♂
You must be like 19. Everyone hated lebron going to miami. It was the same thing as KD going to GS. This nigga lebron thought he was creating a juggernaut or did you forget when he said "not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven" championships.
Cedric Kekeke bruh LBJ didn’t go to the Celtics LMAOO the difference is KD went to the team he lost too bruh.
Kd was much worse and if bron wouldve joined the Celtics that wouldve been the weakest move ever
@@Idk22221 thank you because if Lebron when to Boston and as a Celtics fan I would be mad because some of the players we had going to get traded, also Rando at the time would be on Lebron head way more than how Mario Chalmers called Lebron a bih.
Joe Bowen I agree 100%
Is it just me or does d wade talk like he’s coming to a big point but then really doesn’t say much?
D Wade makes some really good points in this video. I didn't know he was so eloquent.
Lmfao why is he saying sexy so much 😂
Lmao Wade be acting weird after retirement “sexy” 😂
LeBron, and Bosh were 26 , and Wade was 28, they were at the peak of their prime.
Allen, Garnett and Pierce were 32,31,and 30 respectively at the tail end of their prime, those two moves aren't exactly the same.
The Decision was one of the best things to happen to the NBA.
Said noone
Cedric Kekeke you were probably a fan of one of the teams the Heat destroyed back then
Lebrons (the)decision is the reason "francise players" can make money moves.
You know its true.
@@cjpe2265 Oscar Robertson, Micheal Jordan is the reason players are able to make big money and free agent moves. If u don't know it's true. Go so your research. Not knocking how or what LBJ did by no means. LBJ made it okay for a big name player to join up with other big name players.
@@madeinheaven1860 or maybe I like to see actual competition that comes from good drafting, good coaching, team building and development. Not just trying to assemble as many superstars as you can on one roster
the fact that they compare the Boston trades with all 3 players in the 30s to LeBron joining up with other stars in his prime is such an oversight
Exactly and the bronsexuals calling the 97,98,99 rockets a superteam... Barkley was at the end, Hakeem was at the end and so was drexler and pippen was also on the decline... Hardly a superteam
Even back then I loved how Lebron made that decision to leave Cavs... Lions shouldn't gaf about sheeps' opinion, I love how he went his own way and not let fans, media, Cavs organisation and everyone else dictate his life... and this is coming from someone who isn't a fan of Lebron in general.