HOW TO: DUAL-QUAD 283 STROKER CORVETTE MOTOR. FULL DYNO RUNS, RESULTS AND CARB TUNING. WILL IT WORK?
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2023
- HOW TO TUNE DUAL QUADS ON YOUR EARLY CORVETTE MOTOR. 1961 DUAL QUAD VETTE MOTOR BUILD. HOW TO MAKE MORE TORQUE FROM YOUR 283! CAN YOU RUN DUAL QUADS ON THE STREET? HOW MICH POWER DOES A 283 CHEVY MAKE? HOW WELL DO THE TFS ALUMINUM 461 FUELIE HEADS WORK? CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO TO HEAR THE 283 RUN IN ALL ITS GLORY. PLUS, GO BEHIND THE SCENES WHILE THE ENGINE BUILDER TUNES THE LINKAGE, METERING RODS AND HANGERS TO MAXIMIZE POWER AND DIAL IN THE AF MIXTURE ON THE DUAL-QUAD, ROLLER CAMMED 283 STROKER? CAN THIS COMBO ACTUALLY WORK IN A 1961 CORVETTE?
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FINALLY a mouse motor dyno,, everything seems to be LS anymore, there are those of us that still LOVE the mouse motors SBC's.
The LS engine family has been around for nearly 30 years already, might as well get used to it…
Personally I blame raccoons🦝🦝🦝 and the 😈
I agree 1000% The LSXX engines are awesome technology, no doubt about it. But I am a fan of GEN 1 stuff, and I don't feel bad about it. At this point in my life, trying to convert over platforms,for all my cars,just won't cut it. When I drive my very mild obsolete 305,307,327,350 to the track to foot brake e.t.
race, which is mandatory duty, and you beat a very fast lsxx car, they are incensed on how it could happen. Watch out the LSXX crowd hates it when old heads don't fall in line.
@@mikef-gi2dg Yep! built my sbc for the same reason. Goodbye LS7 Z06
@@gordocarbo Great minds think alike.
Now a lot of the LX-IS THE ONLY WAY crowd will read this and turn green. I am an OLD HEAD, but my 2015 Silverado aluminum 5.3 reminds me the LS platform is the real deal. I have a big problem following the crowd because it's POPULAR.
I don't expect that to change. Gen1 stuff is simple and affordable, and I got a bunch, i'm going to use somewhere. Now a LS 4.8, yes 4.8 with a POWERGLIDE, is on the drawing board for my 75 or 79 Chevy Monza, but other stuff is first. Yep I expect it will piss some off! NOTSORRY!
I miss the days when I had a dyno . The simple communications was just as cool as the high dollar builds .
I knew a guy way back when with a 57 Chevy that dropped a 327 crank in a 283 with 30 over pistons for around 311ci. Ran iron fuelie heads and a solid lifter 'full race' cam. 4spd, solid axle car built over the late 60's, early 70's and he was running 11.50's at 117-118. I forget the intake though, I want to say tunnel ram. I think the gears were 4.56 or 4.88 or something like that.
That would be something fun to see, turning 7k RPM or more.
Grumpy wound them tight
There was a guy at Mason Dixon Dragway in the 90's that had a 55 with a 283, no one I know knew what had been done to it but it ran 11:90's all day and with a 4 speed sounded like he was shiftng at 7500, it was nuts.
@@hotrodray6802 Grumpy built 307s?
Would sound amazing screaming at those RPMs!
@@63Imp283 I imagine if you paid him.
Those things are great motors,I know a guy that has a 68 Nova with a 283 built with no stroker kit and it's a great runner.
And everyone hates on the 307 which is a 283 stroker. 283 with a 327 crank is a 307.
My girlfriend's dad ended up with one four-door Malibu 307 ran great! Only modification was the dual exhaust old-school glass-packs, and I don't know if it came with it but 4-barrel manifold with a quad on. Faster than the 70s boats. 40 years ago one-wheel squeal was good enough for me when I was 10!
I had a lil 307. I put headers, a performer rpm manifold a 262 cam i believe in a 77 step side with 411 gears. She was a ripper
I had a 307 with 327 heads and a cam that was too big for it. It ran very very well.
Loved my 307s, still have one to freshen up, maybe a 350 crank candidate. Already 40 up, makes it about 336.
And the 3 7/8 bore of the 307 limits valve size big time. They will bore to 327 sometimes but that is it. I rebuilt and old speedway engine that was such. 11-1 GM forged pistons, strong but heavy. Still going a decade later.
That engine was built early 70s. Here in Oz we got 307s in cars 68-70.
Just one of Chevrolet's many great sixty's small blocks. Another 72 cubes from the 155 thou small journal 350 stroke crank didnt hurt it at all. Love the way those carbs are engineered and thanks for showing us the inner tweeking on the dyno floor. That torque figure of way over 425 lb-ft, that's huge!
145 up on a 283 block, big call, could be a 327 block. If it was a 283 block you'd go to 4", not 4 and 20.
@@TomSmith-cv8hksleeves?
@@hotrodray6802 They'd end up wet in a 283 block, there were 283 blocks that would go to 4" but when you add 5 decades of corrosion it'd need some block filler. Assume he's used a 283 for numbers but a 327 looks the same with the gusset on the china wall etc.
@@TomSmith-cv8hk people never think about the corrosion part of things
Turned away porting some power pak heads due to the bowls being paper thin. Untouched but corroded bad from the backside
My dad had a dual quad 283 from a 62 Corvette in his 59 Chevy Bel Air. I inherited the car in High School. 3.73 gears and a 3 spd o/d Saginaw. That thing would wind to 6400 rpm. Dad pulled the dual quads off and sold that setup and stuck a regular 4 bbl on it. It actually did better with the single 4 barrel on it but it didn’t look nearly as cool. Wish I still had that car.
I was going to get a small journal 327 crank and do just this back then but never did. Got a 400 SBC instead.
My dad had 305 heads on a 283. Rv cam on a tight LSA. Headers and 2.5 duals with a weiand intake and a q jet . It ran very well. Just the 308 gear in the pickup wasnt great out of the hole.. but it performed well.
Had a '72 Nova that had a worn out 307 back in the day. The oil pump gave out on it and trashed the bearings. Didn't have the $$ to fix it right so I honed it out, sanded / polished the biggest groves out of the crank, replaced the rings and bearings, threw in 290° .480 lift cam, camel back heads, HEI, Edelbrock intake and Carter AFB carb and a set of long tube headers I had laying around from another SBC build.
Had a 2:76 10 bolt rear end and a TH350. Unfortunately I didn't have the $$ for a higher stall converter so it was a total dog off the line but it would spin to 70 mph in 1st gear!
It really was the perfect highway car! Perfect size and got decent gas mileage even though it was loose as a goose.
Unfortunately some woman blew a stop sign one icy morning and ended up totaling it out. 😥
Sure do miss that car and need to build another one soon. Prolly won't have 2:76 gears and a 307 this time tho 😆
Keep it up .. I don't think I can ever have enough of these videos
I would be pretty happy with that torque curve in a '61 Corvette, especially if it's a 4-speed.. Good times!
Who would use a power glide?
We built a lot Most would take a 4" bore add a Moldex 4" crank and stock 6" GM 2" pin rods from another brand. Side grind, mag, rough rebuild, military grade shot peen, finish rebuilt. This was early 60's before the 327 no aluminum heads really available so you tried to work ported stock heads over as wide rpm range as hard as possible. Late 62 tried 4 1/8 by 4 1/4 with the out the back door shortly to be new 327 block. Won both top fuel and top gas at the 62 AHRA nationals at Cado Mills Texas with these motors in the twin engine chevies. 60 years ago what fun the 4x4 makes a great reliable motor 452 takes more maintenance
Two points to consider: Wearing flannel during dyno testing minimally increases hp and those cast valve covers are worth about half the hp of chrome ones (at least 25 hp.).
Great! Having the owner there, the exchange about the build, ahh what cam 😱whoa, yeah I wanted this but had to do that- all that really kicks it up a notch. 👏👏👏
I've got a gear-driven Duntov Solid-Lifter Cammed 283 with 58cc heads topped off with a set of Corvette finned aluminum valve covers complete with an early Fenton Aluminum Tri-Power Manifold with 3 Rochester 2g's & Scheifer 10lb Aluminum Flywheel all hooked up to a Borg Warner Super T-10 four speed powering my 2100# fender-less chop-topped Model A Coupe....She IS DAMN HARD to beat stoplight racing...
Some magazine or engine builder built a 307 with old 175cc trick flow heads and used 3 different cams to hit the 500hp mark. And it did it around 7000 rpm. Kept going bigger and bigger with a tighter lsa. I'd like to see a small cubic inch motor with a good set of heads around 200cc would do with a few different cams and tight lsa grinds.
Now that’s a 283 stroker, the 307.
Now you're speaking my language! Thanks for this!
Need more of this!!!
I've had my eye on these heads for quite a while for a project. Nice to see they are indeed contenders.
Think compression
Those are decent heads. Avoid the cheap chinese double humps pure garbage & make no power
Great video thanks for some "283" love
Great stuff, cool nostalgia looking engine.
I've got about 5 283 blocks holding down the garage floor so this is RIGHT ON TIME.
Back in the day, a 283 taken out to a 301 was popular.
BEAUTIFUL engine. So, it's NOT a modified 283, but a .020" overbored 350 if I'm understanding(?) My buddy put a nicely rebuilt 350 with the 268 cam and Edelbrock heads into his '56 Olds. My idea was to dress it as an old Corvette motor and refer to it as a "poked & stroked 283". Intake manifold with fill/breather tube in front, vintage 'Vette valve covers, hidden pcv valve in the rear valley area of the intake manifold (like a Pontiac), ram horn exhaust manifolds, louvered Corvette/GTO air cleaner. I thought it was a cool idea but he didn't carry it out. Worst part, he has ALL the parts for it. I know, get my own damn '56 Olds, right?
Ahhh, the old Carter WCFB. Decent small cfm 4bbl with good primary adjustments. One could actually get fair fuel economy with one. Had a pair on a 325 Dodge hemi. The popular, and easy, thing to do to a 283 back then was to make a 302 out of it by boring oversize. They would run great for a while but tended to break easy. Saw one that broke the crankshaft right behind the #2 main bearing. Engine would still start & idle but made a tremendous amount of noise.
Did it break turning 8500 RPM's? I would have rather seen the stock displacement, but it's not my motor or money.
Few broke
@@hotrodray6802 Oh really. Rocker studs removed themselves at high RPMs, rocker arm instability at high RPMs, rods broke, on those bored to 302 the cylinder walls were weak, factory pistons would crack. There were a lot of aftermarket parts to make them more durable but they were usually out of reach for the average street guy. The one that broke the crankshaft wasn't a very hot engine. It had a factory 4 bbl intake & rochester 4bbl carb. Just a better set of heads & a rebuilt short block. Broke while he was racing it at a local track. The upside was that there were thousands of them laying around, very plentiful. I had a 265 that I put into a 52 pick up. Basically stock w/ 2 bbl carb. Never broke but reliable & cheap to maintain.
@@larryhutchens7593 There's good reason WHY the aftermarket supported Chevy enthusiasts so well.
@@mickangio16 They were light, cheap & plentiful.
I want to build one just like that, what a cool engine!!
In the early 80s I bought a nova with a 350 with daul quads. They were on a low rise intake like the one in your video. With a 4 speed that little thing sure would scoot on down the road. Wish I never sold it but thsrs the way it is lol
That's impressive!
I had a hot lil, old school, 283 years ago.
Super fun engine.
I can remember a stock 307 2bbl could barely handle a Holley 650 . It’s amazing how they managed to get a little 283 to run good with 2 4bbl carbs.
Good vidja 👊🏻
I have the original 283 out of my 66 Malibu sitting in a corner. Watching this video makes me want to do something with it instead of gather dust.
I got a built 327 in my 66 Chevelle Super Sport , Screams to the moon , 11 inch clutch and M-21 Muncie 4 speed and 12 bolt posi rear end , 600hp
I have a 1971 small block LT1 350 with 4 bolt main in my 66 Malibu , 11 inch clutch and Saginaw 4 speed trans and 10 bolt rear , 375hp
@@jimthomas1989 whats done to the 327
I remember the old. Majorly destroyed 400. And stroked 283.
The small engines had crappy torque. But were quick revving.
That's cool
Dual quaddy goodness. Do it get better, I don't think so.
Thanks as always
Put those same heads on my 283 when I blew up my powerpack heads. However I'm only overboard .030" over so I only got a 287. Wish I had those torque number though. Great video Richard, love seeing the weird and close to home stuff!
65 cubes helps torque?
@@hotrodray6802 The difference between a 350 and a 383 is 25 hp and 25 ft lbs of torque.
242/246 is a lot of cam - for a 283. Not so much for a 353. Great heads. Seems like it is held back by the intake. It would have been interesting to throw an Edelbrock RPM or maybe a Holley Strip Dominator on it.
It was definitely being held back for how big the cam was.
@@bri-manhunter2654 Many guys back in the day ran the 30-30 Duntov cam in their 283-301s. Do you know what the specs were for that cam? Valve Lift I .485 E .485, Duration @ .050 I 254 E 254
Hell of a throwback test
Maybe do dual efi next time and of course a couple turbos
Maybe a couple T04E or maybe 58/55 precisions
The look of that factory induction was worth the trouble!
agree
Cool.
My man Steve Brule is in the house!
Perfect Model A engine
My dad had a new 1957 4 dr. Bel-Air, 283 with two 4. 3 speed
High eng gears many a stories
From the old town of RAY ARIZONA
I want to see a 307 built! See what it does with modern cam, and some vortec heads!
Im supriesed that they shut it down at 6000 as the internals and valve train are good for beyond that and it was still making power. .
Interested in all Dyno tests
Just a couple years ago I had a .060 283 with forged pistons, self ported Vortec heads, china 'air gap' intake, factory TBI with a ebay adapter, Comp 268 cam all in a '95 Cheyenne 2500hd, ext cab, long bed and a NV4500 to a 3.42 14 bolt (6800# empty) and she would sh!t and GIT!!! SURPRISINGLY got 19mpg on hwy!
70 mph/2000 rpms.
Ran pig rich at idle with stock ecu. But never fouled a plug, and sounded MEAN!
Better than those "thumper" cams.
(Deck wasn't true and after a year or so, blew a headgasket. It'll be resurected this year in a '95 GEO Tracker with a T5 5.12 axlel!!)
tbi?
That's a lot of cam to only rev it to 6k. Did it drop off after 6k? I would have thought that's way too much duration for that application, and a solid roller no less!
Heard the guy say he ordered a much smaller one but would take ages to get so he was sold this one
Id have picked a much smaller one. Ought to rip good in a light vette though
I need that motor Richard to put in my dad's 57❤
Okay... I've never messed with but a couple of 283's over the years. Having said that, I didnt think that you could run a 2.02 intake valve in the small 3.875" bore, especially with that much duration and lift of the cam.
Never mind... I see that he bored it waaaaay out.
What is the cam duration @50?
that is a great torques curve for a old vette.
Hi- did Richard mention the cranking pressure? Curious.....-P
Nice job, I have a 327 with two 390s on a cross ram. Have a few questions are you avail.
ask away or come to the live feed
How do I find knowledge on multi carbs? I have intakes I intend to run.
3x2 y block
4x2 sbc
6x2 y block and Rocket
The best cam for 283 is a comp cam 268 high energy. 454 lift 268 duration
Works very well in a 318 Mopar, too.
@@mickangio16 the best cam for any small block and a torque monster in big blocks
You have to jet way down on a duel carb small displacement motor.
Bloodviking
The sound a 283 could make reving to moon
It should of but not this one!
@@63Imp283 I know this is a street motor
@@63Imp283 look up 12,000 rpm Nova😃
Wound my stock 2bbl one in my 66 1/2 ton 8k in 2nd many a time
Richard, what valve covers were on that 350? The old stock ones would never clear roller rockers. LOVE those aluminum stock looking valve covers.
The walls that mount the valve cover are actually taller on these than original camel backs for this reason . Hope this helps.
@@brokedonkeygarage6017 I went back and viewed them and see what you mean. It's hard to see at that angle but they are taller. Thank you!!
@@Geoduck. you're welcome :)
Working with 70 yr. old carburetors is always a challege.
Roller rockers fit under the vintage valve covers?
Richard, have you guys ever done a 329? 400 block 283 crank, thanks!
No?
Would like to see a power comparison between a BBC 396 stroked to 454 ci and a normal 454 standard bore/stroke?
The 454 has a bigger bore, the 393 needs notches in the bore so the stock valves can clear. With smaller valves/heads the difference would be nothing. Once the valves got big enough for valve shrouding to become an issue on the 393 based motor, the 454 would have the edge.
corvette had dual four barrels in 58 with the power pak heads. in 61 or 2 they had the 194 fuelie heads available. does the dual four intake for the later fuelie heads have bigger intake passages than the earlier power pak heads intake?
RUnner size on those intakes is tiny. Any modern dual plane would wake it up Id bet. Single 4 barrel
One of a few vette design flaws was no hood clearance for real intake.
Ok guys the way to do this engine easily is to do a newer 350 1 piece rear main seal with 383 crank and dress it like the old 283s. With say 550 hp.
Bloodviking
Hi Steve
I have heard stories of 283's being bored to 4" making 302, cid, my dad had a .060" over 283 in a 64 ss nova, with a glide, and 4.56 gears, it did fair,... mpg was horrible,
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So this is a 283 block bored to 4" and a small journal 350 (3.48") crank?.
Wow and you managed to get robert Duvall to do the dyno. And here we thought he was just an actor 😂😂
So it's actually a 350... I probably would've just built a 383 with a milder cam and kept the exterior looking like an old engine. Would've made as much power, more torque and more streetable. A real 400 hp 283 would've been cooler than either one though.
It's a small journal block though, they were pretty light and he would have had some grinding to do to get the 350 crank in there.
I agree. I'd have rather seen close to stock displacement, BECAUSE of the rumored 400 hp 283's we heard of.
Be hard to put a vent tube in the valley of the 350 but I'm with ya even though I'm partial to the 283😊
Manifold and carbs are the limit
We built things like this in the 80s
I am soooo confused.
How does the power curve look like that with 260cfm heads, dual quads, and a solid roller cam?
The intake manifold is whats holding the combo back up top but theres nothing wrong with 425ft/lbs from a 283 based v8.
Do you have a mild 421 c.i. sbc 350 stock block based build video richard? 4.125" stroke X 4.030" bore. Mild hydraulic roller cam. EPS intake.
4.125 stroke in a sbc stock block?
@@richardholdener1727 yeah. Or a 4" 408 would be cool.
I guess you could call Brlue's hairstyle a mullet. Nothing in front, party in the back.
Ever done anything with a 267? Small 3.5" bore SBC. My 79 El Camino has one in it. It will be coming out to be replaced with a more modern engine... maybe an LV1 4.3...
I have not
Do a 350 or a 5.3
283 with right cam revs 12,000rpm🏁💯 and make 500hp , need to put block filler
Great for around town with 410 gears
If you are gonna hot rod a 61 vette I sure would look for streetability out of a 283. I'd just build a 383 and save the original block for a keepsake.
Hmmm, with those heads and that big of cam, I would have thought 475 hp all day long.
smaller cylinders are the restriction.
I have a 283 to play with. Every one I talk to about it says it’s a waste of time and money. I have a 67 Chevelle 136 car . I think it would be cool to put it in there with a 4 speed. Saturday night cruise and Sunday bracket race car. What do you suggest for a cam ? I even thought of using a 2 4 tunnel ram.
it really needs more head flow
@@richardholdener1727 how about Dart iron eagles ?
@@terrywillis5784 it’s your project and you should do whatever you want with it.
BUT the 283 is old, nifty, and rare. I would leave it as is, or do a era correct restoration on it.
If you want something fast, a standard 350 will fit nicely in its place.
A 283 can be built into a super fun street motor.
I had one years ago.
3500# car ran high 12s with it.
Good compression, with good quench is important.
Don’t over cam, or over carb it. It will feel soft down low if you do.
@@b.s.adventures9421 cool story. Thanks for your input.
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I often wonder why you don't make a low rpm pull to show 2500-3500
You know what I would like to see? I guess you don`t, but I would love to se an 4160 type Carb with an metering plate instead of an seconadry metering block, on the dyno, I have never seen that, how actually is the fuel curve? I would guess it is probably not that bad, but I really have no idea. But I have had 2 of those carbs, and they have worked good on a "normal" car. My first 4160 was an an pre 74 one. It was 40 years+ old when I used it.
Well, actually I bought the last one not that long ago, it was an "remanufactured/returned" carb from Holley, and the choke and idle adjustements and acc. pump was absolutely totally out of adjustment! Good thing I check that stuff before putting it on an engine! That was probably why it was returned. But that seems to be the trend these days, with new parts, less quality control than before.
I have a pair of the 4160s and jet plates, I ran them on a dual quad application and they worked well
@@richardholdener1727 On the dyno? Did they have a nice fuel curve? Sometimes the "basic" stuff is the best.
Chevy built a 283 stroker that was called a 307 everyone hated them.
Knew someone who had one many years ago. Seemed to go OK for him.
I have a stock 61 dual quad 283 245hp vette.
Any suggestions for a little more hp while keeping relatively stock?
Thanks to all.
ported heads and new cam
@@richardholdener1727KISS 👍👍👍
Thanks guys
Just do the 302 stroked 400 long rod motor.
The DZ 302 is still king of the GM 5 liter engines.
The real RPM king of stock Camaro motors! crank it up!
Is that Steve Brule operating the Dyno??
yes..Stevie B
Has anyone run these trick flow heads??? I bolted a set onto a 350 hopefully get to start it up soon...do they really flow 260 CFM??
258 cfm
I'd say close enough for handshoes & horsegrenades
Could we see this dynoed with efi?
similar results (slightly less power) if you used the same intake and port efi, similar power if you used throttle body efi
Where's the 09 and up 5.7 hemi tests and comparisons
What you lose in bore is possible to make up in stroke but why not start with a bigger bore block.
It's 4 inches
Brule' and Dulcich have the same hairstylist. But do they use 15W-40 or 10W-30? 😂
spray on WD40
There's no screws in the top plate of carbe
What’s a good carburetor for a 383 stroker?
what power level
About 400hp
850 double pumper
How is this a 283 stroker? It's a 020 over 350......
0ver 500 lift bends and breaks valves atleast on power packs it does
no
283 stroker = 307
True! That's where Chevy went with the 283 in 1968. added the 3.25 stroke crank.
416 hp wow
So you built a 307 fuelie?
it was a 353 and not a fuelie-but sure!
When you want to wake up a small v8. Twin turbo it.
THAT would look stock !!!
10:19 that's the problem, it's not making any boost!! 😮
Shrouded bore