I agree 1000% The LSXX engines are awesome technology, no doubt about it. But I am a fan of GEN 1 stuff, and I don't feel bad about it. At this point in my life, trying to convert over platforms,for all my cars,just won't cut it. When I drive my very mild obsolete 305,307,327,350 to the track to foot brake e.t. race, which is mandatory duty, and you beat a very fast lsxx car, they are incensed on how it could happen. Watch out the LSXX crowd hates it when old heads don't fall in line.
@@gordocarbo Great minds think alike. Now a lot of the LX-IS THE ONLY WAY crowd will read this and turn green. I am an OLD HEAD, but my 2015 Silverado aluminum 5.3 reminds me the LS platform is the real deal. I have a big problem following the crowd because it's POPULAR. I don't expect that to change. Gen1 stuff is simple and affordable, and I got a bunch, i'm going to use somewhere. Now a LS 4.8, yes 4.8 with a POWERGLIDE, is on the drawing board for my 75 or 79 Chevy Monza, but other stuff is first. Yep I expect it will piss some off! NOTSORRY!
I ran a 30 over 11 to one 283 with 194 heads , a 30-30 solid duntov cam with the early dual quad . 4 spd and 4 11 rear in a 55 chevy . The sound of high revs out of that thing was music .
My Uncle Dar and i put a 58 Corvette dual quad 283 4pd out of a totalled 58 vette in a 51 gmc half ton. That was a fun truck to drive blowing by everyone on the freeway!
My dad had a dual quad 283 from a 62 Corvette in his 59 Chevy Bel Air. I inherited the car in High School. 3.73 gears and a 3 spd o/d Saginaw. That thing would wind to 6400 rpm. Dad pulled the dual quads off and sold that setup and stuck a regular 4 bbl on it. It actually did better with the single 4 barrel on it but it didn’t look nearly as cool. Wish I still had that car. I was going to get a small journal 327 crank and do just this back then but never did. Got a 400 SBC instead.
I knew a guy way back when with a 57 Chevy that dropped a 327 crank in a 283 with 30 over pistons for around 311ci. Ran iron fuelie heads and a solid lifter 'full race' cam. 4spd, solid axle car built over the late 60's, early 70's and he was running 11.50's at 117-118. I forget the intake though, I want to say tunnel ram. I think the gears were 4.56 or 4.88 or something like that. That would be something fun to see, turning 7k RPM or more.
There was a guy at Mason Dixon Dragway in the 90's that had a 55 with a 283, no one I know knew what had been done to it but it ran 11:90's all day and with a 4 speed sounded like he was shiftng at 7500, it was nuts.
Just one of Chevrolet's many great sixty's small blocks. Another 72 cubes from the 155 thou small journal 350 stroke crank didnt hurt it at all. Love the way those carbs are engineered and thanks for showing us the inner tweeking on the dyno floor. That torque figure of way over 425 lb-ft, that's huge!
@@hotrodray6802 They'd end up wet in a 283 block, there were 283 blocks that would go to 4" but when you add 5 decades of corrosion it'd need some block filler. Assume he's used a 283 for numbers but a 327 looks the same with the gusset on the china wall etc.
@@TomSmith-cv8hk people never think about the corrosion part of things Turned away porting some power pak heads due to the bowls being paper thin. Untouched but corroded bad from the backside
My dad had 305 heads on a 283. Rv cam on a tight LSA. Headers and 2.5 duals with a weiand intake and a q jet . It ran very well. Just the 308 gear in the pickup wasnt great out of the hole.. but it performed well.
My girlfriend's dad ended up with one four-door Malibu 307 ran great! Only modification was the dual exhaust old-school glass-packs, and I don't know if it came with it but 4-barrel manifold with a quad on. Faster than the 70s boats. 40 years ago one-wheel squeal was good enough for me when I was 10!
And the 3 7/8 bore of the 307 limits valve size big time. They will bore to 327 sometimes but that is it. I rebuilt and old speedway engine that was such. 11-1 GM forged pistons, strong but heavy. Still going a decade later. That engine was built early 70s. Here in Oz we got 307s in cars 68-70.
We built a lot Most would take a 4" bore add a Moldex 4" crank and stock 6" GM 2" pin rods from another brand. Side grind, mag, rough rebuild, military grade shot peen, finish rebuilt. This was early 60's before the 327 no aluminum heads really available so you tried to work ported stock heads over as wide rpm range as hard as possible. Late 62 tried 4 1/8 by 4 1/4 with the out the back door shortly to be new 327 block. Won both top fuel and top gas at the 62 AHRA nationals at Cado Mills Texas with these motors in the twin engine chevies. 60 years ago what fun the 4x4 makes a great reliable motor 452 takes more maintenance
I've got a gear-driven Duntov Solid-Lifter Cammed 283 with 58cc heads topped off with a set of Corvette finned aluminum valve covers complete with an early Fenton Aluminum Tri-Power Manifold with 3 Rochester 2g's & Scheifer 10lb Aluminum Flywheel all hooked up to a Borg Warner Super T-10 four speed powering my 2100# fender-less chop-topped Model A Coupe....She IS DAMN HARD to beat stoplight racing...
Some magazine or engine builder built a 307 with old 175cc trick flow heads and used 3 different cams to hit the 500hp mark. And it did it around 7000 rpm. Kept going bigger and bigger with a tighter lsa. I'd like to see a small cubic inch motor with a good set of heads around 200cc would do with a few different cams and tight lsa grinds.
Ahhh, the old Carter WCFB. Decent small cfm 4bbl with good primary adjustments. One could actually get fair fuel economy with one. Had a pair on a 325 Dodge hemi. The popular, and easy, thing to do to a 283 back then was to make a 302 out of it by boring oversize. They would run great for a while but tended to break easy. Saw one that broke the crankshaft right behind the #2 main bearing. Engine would still start & idle but made a tremendous amount of noise.
@@hotrodray6802 Oh really. Rocker studs removed themselves at high RPMs, rocker arm instability at high RPMs, rods broke, on those bored to 302 the cylinder walls were weak, factory pistons would crack. There were a lot of aftermarket parts to make them more durable but they were usually out of reach for the average street guy. The one that broke the crankshaft wasn't a very hot engine. It had a factory 4 bbl intake & rochester 4bbl carb. Just a better set of heads & a rebuilt short block. Broke while he was racing it at a local track. The upside was that there were thousands of them laying around, very plentiful. I had a 265 that I put into a 52 pick up. Basically stock w/ 2 bbl carb. Never broke but reliable & cheap to maintain.
I got a built 327 in my 66 Chevelle Super Sport , Screams to the moon , 11 inch clutch and M-21 Muncie 4 speed and 12 bolt posi rear end , 600hp I have a 1971 small block LT1 350 with 4 bolt main in my 66 Malibu , 11 inch clutch and Saginaw 4 speed trans and 10 bolt rear , 375hp
Two points to consider: Wearing flannel during dyno testing minimally increases hp and those cast valve covers are worth about half the hp of chrome ones (at least 25 hp.).
Put those same heads on my 283 when I blew up my powerpack heads. However I'm only overboard .030" over so I only got a 287. Wish I had those torque number though. Great video Richard, love seeing the weird and close to home stuff!
In the early 80s I bought a nova with a 350 with daul quads. They were on a low rise intake like the one in your video. With a 4 speed that little thing sure would scoot on down the road. Wish I never sold it but thsrs the way it is lol
242/246 is a lot of cam - for a 283. Not so much for a 353. Great heads. Seems like it is held back by the intake. It would have been interesting to throw an Edelbrock RPM or maybe a Holley Strip Dominator on it.
@@bri-manhunter2654 Many guys back in the day ran the 30-30 Duntov cam in their 283-301s. Do you know what the specs were for that cam? Valve Lift I .485 E .485, Duration @ .050 I 254 E 254
Great! Having the owner there, the exchange about the build, ahh what cam 😱whoa, yeah I wanted this but had to do that- all that really kicks it up a notch. 👏👏👏
That's a lot of cam to only rev it to 6k. Did it drop off after 6k? I would have thought that's way too much duration for that application, and a solid roller no less!
Heard the guy say he ordered a much smaller one but would take ages to get so he was sold this one Id have picked a much smaller one. Ought to rip good in a light vette though
I have a 283 to play with. Every one I talk to about it says it’s a waste of time and money. I have a 67 Chevelle 136 car . I think it would be cool to put it in there with a 4 speed. Saturday night cruise and Sunday bracket race car. What do you suggest for a cam ? I even thought of using a 2 4 tunnel ram.
@@terrywillis5784 it’s your project and you should do whatever you want with it. BUT the 283 is old, nifty, and rare. I would leave it as is, or do a era correct restoration on it. If you want something fast, a standard 350 will fit nicely in its place.
A 283 can be built into a super fun street motor. I had one years ago. 3500# car ran high 12s with it. Good compression, with good quench is important. Don’t over cam, or over carb it. It will feel soft down low if you do.
two weber dgas carbs 38/38 woiuld be awesome. Add the gagetman groove and set it up right with the vacuum lines and you have a low low emissions power house.
Hello old dinosaurs... Question here from a rookie, i like the 327 high revvs, if i wanted a sbc with a similar nature what should i look for? I want to do a swap at some point for my square Body s10.. and i would like to have more options than just the 327, just in case the 327 doesnt appear around my cities or counties...
The chances of finding an old small journal 327 block in decent shape is slim the 327 and 350 share the same bottom end after 1968 so any 350 will be the same and if you want it to rev high that is not hard to do at all it's all in the heads and valve train stiffer springs to combat valve float etc
Just a couple years ago I had a .060 283 with forged pistons, self ported Vortec heads, china 'air gap' intake, factory TBI with a ebay adapter, Comp 268 cam all in a '95 Cheyenne 2500hd, ext cab, long bed and a NV4500 to a 3.42 14 bolt (6800# empty) and she would sh!t and GIT!!! SURPRISINGLY got 19mpg on hwy! 70 mph/2000 rpms. Ran pig rich at idle with stock ecu. But never fouled a plug, and sounded MEAN! Better than those "thumper" cams. (Deck wasn't true and after a year or so, blew a headgasket. It'll be resurected this year in a '95 GEO Tracker with a T5 5.12 axlel!!)
The 454 has a bigger bore, the 393 needs notches in the bore so the stock valves can clear. With smaller valves/heads the difference would be nothing. Once the valves got big enough for valve shrouding to become an issue on the 393 based motor, the 454 would have the edge.
corvette had dual four barrels in 58 with the power pak heads. in 61 or 2 they had the 194 fuelie heads available. does the dual four intake for the later fuelie heads have bigger intake passages than the earlier power pak heads intake?
RUnner size on those intakes is tiny. Any modern dual plane would wake it up Id bet. Single 4 barrel One of a few vette design flaws was no hood clearance for real intake.
Ever done anything with a 267? Small 3.5" bore SBC. My 79 El Camino has one in it. It will be coming out to be replaced with a more modern engine... maybe an LV1 4.3...
Okay... I've never messed with but a couple of 283's over the years. Having said that, I didnt think that you could run a 2.02 intake valve in the small 3.875" bore, especially with that much duration and lift of the cam.
So it's actually a 350... I probably would've just built a 383 with a milder cam and kept the exterior looking like an old engine. Would've made as much power, more torque and more streetable. A real 400 hp 283 would've been cooler than either one though.
I have heard stories of 283's being bored to 4" making 302, cid, my dad had a .060" over 283 in a 64 ss nova, with a glide, and 4.56 gears, it did fair,... mpg was horrible,
You know what I would like to see? I guess you don`t, but I would love to se an 4160 type Carb with an metering plate instead of an seconadry metering block, on the dyno, I have never seen that, how actually is the fuel curve? I would guess it is probably not that bad, but I really have no idea. But I have had 2 of those carbs, and they have worked good on a "normal" car. My first 4160 was an an pre 74 one. It was 40 years+ old when I used it.
Well, actually I bought the last one not that long ago, it was an "remanufactured/returned" carb from Holley, and the choke and idle adjustements and acc. pump was absolutely totally out of adjustment! Good thing I check that stuff before putting it on an engine! That was probably why it was returned. But that seems to be the trend these days, with new parts, less quality control than before.
Ok guys the way to do this engine easily is to do a newer 350 1 piece rear main seal with 383 crank and dress it like the old 283s. With say 550 hp. Bloodviking
@@richardholdener1727 as opposed to what...ones you charge for? UA-cam is populated with great dyno videos with great sound from the dyno room, not the control room
Hand raised. I have a 57 Corvette oem correct 2x4 intake setup. Woohoo. I'd love to build it with a 3736097 Duntov cam Or a 30-30 Or 3972178 LT1 Or the hydraulic L79 Can't ever decide.
FINALLY a mouse motor dyno,, everything seems to be LS anymore, there are those of us that still LOVE the mouse motors SBC's.
The LS engine family has been around for nearly 30 years already, might as well get used to it…
Personally I blame raccoons🦝🦝🦝 and the 😈
I agree 1000% The LSXX engines are awesome technology, no doubt about it. But I am a fan of GEN 1 stuff, and I don't feel bad about it. At this point in my life, trying to convert over platforms,for all my cars,just won't cut it. When I drive my very mild obsolete 305,307,327,350 to the track to foot brake e.t.
race, which is mandatory duty, and you beat a very fast lsxx car, they are incensed on how it could happen. Watch out the LSXX crowd hates it when old heads don't fall in line.
@@mikef-gi2dg Yep! built my sbc for the same reason. Goodbye LS7 Z06
@@gordocarbo Great minds think alike.
Now a lot of the LX-IS THE ONLY WAY crowd will read this and turn green. I am an OLD HEAD, but my 2015 Silverado aluminum 5.3 reminds me the LS platform is the real deal. I have a big problem following the crowd because it's POPULAR.
I don't expect that to change. Gen1 stuff is simple and affordable, and I got a bunch, i'm going to use somewhere. Now a LS 4.8, yes 4.8 with a POWERGLIDE, is on the drawing board for my 75 or 79 Chevy Monza, but other stuff is first. Yep I expect it will piss some off! NOTSORRY!
I ran a 30 over 11 to one 283 with 194 heads , a 30-30 solid duntov cam with the early dual quad . 4 spd and 4 11 rear in a 55 chevy . The sound of high revs out of that thing was music .
My Uncle Dar and i put a 58 Corvette dual quad 283 4pd out of a totalled 58 vette in a 51 gmc half ton. That was a fun truck to drive blowing by everyone on the freeway!
My dad had a dual quad 283 from a 62 Corvette in his 59 Chevy Bel Air. I inherited the car in High School. 3.73 gears and a 3 spd o/d Saginaw. That thing would wind to 6400 rpm. Dad pulled the dual quads off and sold that setup and stuck a regular 4 bbl on it. It actually did better with the single 4 barrel on it but it didn’t look nearly as cool. Wish I still had that car.
I was going to get a small journal 327 crank and do just this back then but never did. Got a 400 SBC instead.
I miss the days when I had a dyno . The simple communications was just as cool as the high dollar builds .
I knew a guy way back when with a 57 Chevy that dropped a 327 crank in a 283 with 30 over pistons for around 311ci. Ran iron fuelie heads and a solid lifter 'full race' cam. 4spd, solid axle car built over the late 60's, early 70's and he was running 11.50's at 117-118. I forget the intake though, I want to say tunnel ram. I think the gears were 4.56 or 4.88 or something like that.
That would be something fun to see, turning 7k RPM or more.
Grumpy wound them tight
There was a guy at Mason Dixon Dragway in the 90's that had a 55 with a 283, no one I know knew what had been done to it but it ran 11:90's all day and with a 4 speed sounded like he was shiftng at 7500, it was nuts.
@@hotrodray6802 Grumpy built 307s?
Would sound amazing screaming at those RPMs!
@@63Imp283 I imagine if you paid him.
Those things are great motors,I know a guy that has a 68 Nova with a 283 built with no stroker kit and it's a great runner.
Just one of Chevrolet's many great sixty's small blocks. Another 72 cubes from the 155 thou small journal 350 stroke crank didnt hurt it at all. Love the way those carbs are engineered and thanks for showing us the inner tweeking on the dyno floor. That torque figure of way over 425 lb-ft, that's huge!
145 up on a 283 block, big call, could be a 327 block. If it was a 283 block you'd go to 4", not 4 and 20.
@@TomSmith-cv8hksleeves?
@@hotrodray6802 They'd end up wet in a 283 block, there were 283 blocks that would go to 4" but when you add 5 decades of corrosion it'd need some block filler. Assume he's used a 283 for numbers but a 327 looks the same with the gusset on the china wall etc.
@@TomSmith-cv8hk people never think about the corrosion part of things
Turned away porting some power pak heads due to the bowls being paper thin. Untouched but corroded bad from the backside
My dad had 305 heads on a 283. Rv cam on a tight LSA. Headers and 2.5 duals with a weiand intake and a q jet . It ran very well. Just the 308 gear in the pickup wasnt great out of the hole.. but it performed well.
And everyone hates on the 307 which is a 283 stroker. 283 with a 327 crank is a 307.
My girlfriend's dad ended up with one four-door Malibu 307 ran great! Only modification was the dual exhaust old-school glass-packs, and I don't know if it came with it but 4-barrel manifold with a quad on. Faster than the 70s boats. 40 years ago one-wheel squeal was good enough for me when I was 10!
I had a lil 307. I put headers, a performer rpm manifold a 262 cam i believe in a 77 step side with 411 gears. She was a ripper
I had a 307 with 327 heads and a cam that was too big for it. It ran very very well.
Loved my 307s, still have one to freshen up, maybe a 350 crank candidate. Already 40 up, makes it about 336.
And the 3 7/8 bore of the 307 limits valve size big time. They will bore to 327 sometimes but that is it. I rebuilt and old speedway engine that was such. 11-1 GM forged pistons, strong but heavy. Still going a decade later.
That engine was built early 70s. Here in Oz we got 307s in cars 68-70.
We built a lot Most would take a 4" bore add a Moldex 4" crank and stock 6" GM 2" pin rods from another brand. Side grind, mag, rough rebuild, military grade shot peen, finish rebuilt. This was early 60's before the 327 no aluminum heads really available so you tried to work ported stock heads over as wide rpm range as hard as possible. Late 62 tried 4 1/8 by 4 1/4 with the out the back door shortly to be new 327 block. Won both top fuel and top gas at the 62 AHRA nationals at Cado Mills Texas with these motors in the twin engine chevies. 60 years ago what fun the 4x4 makes a great reliable motor 452 takes more maintenance
I've got a gear-driven Duntov Solid-Lifter Cammed 283 with 58cc heads topped off with a set of Corvette finned aluminum valve covers complete with an early Fenton Aluminum Tri-Power Manifold with 3 Rochester 2g's & Scheifer 10lb Aluminum Flywheel all hooked up to a Borg Warner Super T-10 four speed powering my 2100# fender-less chop-topped Model A Coupe....She IS DAMN HARD to beat stoplight racing...
I've had my eye on these heads for quite a while for a project. Nice to see they are indeed contenders.
Think compression
Those are decent heads. Avoid the cheap chinese double humps pure garbage & make no power
Some magazine or engine builder built a 307 with old 175cc trick flow heads and used 3 different cams to hit the 500hp mark. And it did it around 7000 rpm. Kept going bigger and bigger with a tighter lsa. I'd like to see a small cubic inch motor with a good set of heads around 200cc would do with a few different cams and tight lsa grinds.
Now that’s a 283 stroker, the 307.
I would be pretty happy with that torque curve in a '61 Corvette, especially if it's a 4-speed.. Good times!
Who would use a power glide?
Ahhh, the old Carter WCFB. Decent small cfm 4bbl with good primary adjustments. One could actually get fair fuel economy with one. Had a pair on a 325 Dodge hemi. The popular, and easy, thing to do to a 283 back then was to make a 302 out of it by boring oversize. They would run great for a while but tended to break easy. Saw one that broke the crankshaft right behind the #2 main bearing. Engine would still start & idle but made a tremendous amount of noise.
Did it break turning 8500 RPM's? I would have rather seen the stock displacement, but it's not my motor or money.
Few broke
@@hotrodray6802 Oh really. Rocker studs removed themselves at high RPMs, rocker arm instability at high RPMs, rods broke, on those bored to 302 the cylinder walls were weak, factory pistons would crack. There were a lot of aftermarket parts to make them more durable but they were usually out of reach for the average street guy. The one that broke the crankshaft wasn't a very hot engine. It had a factory 4 bbl intake & rochester 4bbl carb. Just a better set of heads & a rebuilt short block. Broke while he was racing it at a local track. The upside was that there were thousands of them laying around, very plentiful. I had a 265 that I put into a 52 pick up. Basically stock w/ 2 bbl carb. Never broke but reliable & cheap to maintain.
@@larryhutchens7593 There's good reason WHY the aftermarket supported Chevy enthusiasts so well.
@@mickangio16 They were light, cheap & plentiful.
I've got about 5 283 blocks holding down the garage floor so this is RIGHT ON TIME.
I have the original 283 out of my 66 Malibu sitting in a corner. Watching this video makes me want to do something with it instead of gather dust.
I got a built 327 in my 66 Chevelle Super Sport , Screams to the moon , 11 inch clutch and M-21 Muncie 4 speed and 12 bolt posi rear end , 600hp
I have a 1971 small block LT1 350 with 4 bolt main in my 66 Malibu , 11 inch clutch and Saginaw 4 speed trans and 10 bolt rear , 375hp
@@jimthomas1989 whats done to the 327
Keep it up .. I don't think I can ever have enough of these videos
Two points to consider: Wearing flannel during dyno testing minimally increases hp and those cast valve covers are worth about half the hp of chrome ones (at least 25 hp.).
Put those same heads on my 283 when I blew up my powerpack heads. However I'm only overboard .030" over so I only got a 287. Wish I had those torque number though. Great video Richard, love seeing the weird and close to home stuff!
65 cubes helps torque?
@@hotrodray6802 The difference between a 350 and a 383 is 25 hp and 25 ft lbs of torque.
In the early 80s I bought a nova with a 350 with daul quads. They were on a low rise intake like the one in your video. With a 4 speed that little thing sure would scoot on down the road. Wish I never sold it but thsrs the way it is lol
How do I find knowledge on multi carbs? I have intakes I intend to run.
3x2 y block
4x2 sbc
6x2 y block and Rocket
242/246 is a lot of cam - for a 283. Not so much for a 353. Great heads. Seems like it is held back by the intake. It would have been interesting to throw an Edelbrock RPM or maybe a Holley Strip Dominator on it.
It was definitely being held back for how big the cam was.
@@bri-manhunter2654 Many guys back in the day ran the 30-30 Duntov cam in their 283-301s. Do you know what the specs were for that cam? Valve Lift I .485 E .485, Duration @ .050 I 254 E 254
Great! Having the owner there, the exchange about the build, ahh what cam 😱whoa, yeah I wanted this but had to do that- all that really kicks it up a notch. 👏👏👏
I can remember a stock 307 2bbl could barely handle a Holley 650 . It’s amazing how they managed to get a little 283 to run good with 2 4bbl carbs.
I had a hot lil, old school, 283 years ago.
Super fun engine.
That's a lot of cam to only rev it to 6k. Did it drop off after 6k? I would have thought that's way too much duration for that application, and a solid roller no less!
Heard the guy say he ordered a much smaller one but would take ages to get so he was sold this one
Id have picked a much smaller one. Ought to rip good in a light vette though
Now you're speaking my language! Thanks for this!
Richard, what valve covers were on that 350? The old stock ones would never clear roller rockers. LOVE those aluminum stock looking valve covers.
The walls that mount the valve cover are actually taller on these than original camel backs for this reason . Hope this helps.
@@brokedonkeygarage6017 I went back and viewed them and see what you mean. It's hard to see at that angle but they are taller. Thank you!!
@@Geoduck. you're welcome :)
My man Steve Brule is in the house!
Are those good intakes I have one I want to put on a 383 stroker for my 1936 hot rod will it choke the 383
I remember the old. Majorly destroyed 400. And stroked 283.
The small engines had crappy torque. But were quick revving.
I have a 283 to play with. Every one I talk to about it says it’s a waste of time and money. I have a 67 Chevelle 136 car . I think it would be cool to put it in there with a 4 speed. Saturday night cruise and Sunday bracket race car. What do you suggest for a cam ? I even thought of using a 2 4 tunnel ram.
it really needs more head flow
@@richardholdener1727 how about Dart iron eagles ?
@@terrywillis5784 it’s your project and you should do whatever you want with it.
BUT the 283 is old, nifty, and rare. I would leave it as is, or do a era correct restoration on it.
If you want something fast, a standard 350 will fit nicely in its place.
A 283 can be built into a super fun street motor.
I had one years ago.
3500# car ran high 12s with it.
Good compression, with good quench is important.
Don’t over cam, or over carb it. It will feel soft down low if you do.
@@b.s.adventures9421 cool story. Thanks for your input.
Dual quaddy goodness. Do it get better, I don't think so.
Thanks as always
Great video thanks for some "283" love
I want to see a 307 built! See what it does with modern cam, and some vortec heads!
two weber dgas carbs 38/38 woiuld be awesome. Add the gagetman groove and set it up right with the vacuum lines and you have a low low emissions power house.
The look of that factory induction was worth the trouble!
agree
Nice job, I have a 327 with two 390s on a cross ram. Have a few questions are you avail.
ask away or come to the live feed
Hello old dinosaurs... Question here from a rookie, i like the 327 high revvs, if i wanted a sbc with a similar nature what should i look for? I want to do a swap at some point for my square Body s10.. and i would like to have more options than just the 327, just in case the 327 doesnt appear around my cities or counties...
a 350 revs just as high
The chances of finding an old small journal 327 block in decent shape is slim the 327 and 350 share the same bottom end after 1968 so any 350 will be the same and if you want it to rev high that is not hard to do at all it's all in the heads and valve train stiffer springs to combat valve float etc
Just a couple years ago I had a .060 283 with forged pistons, self ported Vortec heads, china 'air gap' intake, factory TBI with a ebay adapter, Comp 268 cam all in a '95 Cheyenne 2500hd, ext cab, long bed and a NV4500 to a 3.42 14 bolt (6800# empty) and she would sh!t and GIT!!! SURPRISINGLY got 19mpg on hwy!
70 mph/2000 rpms.
Ran pig rich at idle with stock ecu. But never fouled a plug, and sounded MEAN!
Better than those "thumper" cams.
(Deck wasn't true and after a year or so, blew a headgasket. It'll be resurected this year in a '95 GEO Tracker with a T5 5.12 axlel!!)
tbi?
Hell of a throwback test
Maybe do dual efi next time and of course a couple turbos
Maybe a couple T04E or maybe 58/55 precisions
What is the cam duration @50?
that is a great torques curve for a old vette.
My dad had a new 1957 4 dr. Bel-Air, 283 with two 4. 3 speed
High eng gears many a stories
From the old town of RAY ARIZONA
Interested in all Dyno tests
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So this is a 283 block bored to 4" and a small journal 350 (3.48") crank?.
Im supriesed that they shut it down at 6000 as the internals and valve train are good for beyond that and it was still making power. .
Would like to see a power comparison between a BBC 396 stroked to 454 ci and a normal 454 standard bore/stroke?
The 454 has a bigger bore, the 393 needs notches in the bore so the stock valves can clear. With smaller valves/heads the difference would be nothing. Once the valves got big enough for valve shrouding to become an issue on the 393 based motor, the 454 would have the edge.
Do you have a mild 421 c.i. sbc 350 stock block based build video richard? 4.125" stroke X 4.030" bore. Mild hydraulic roller cam. EPS intake.
4.125 stroke in a sbc stock block?
@@richardholdener1727 yeah. Or a 4" 408 would be cool.
I am soooo confused.
How does the power curve look like that with 260cfm heads, dual quads, and a solid roller cam?
The intake manifold is whats holding the combo back up top but theres nothing wrong with 425ft/lbs from a 283 based v8.
I want to build one just like that, what a cool engine!!
corvette had dual four barrels in 58 with the power pak heads. in 61 or 2 they had the 194 fuelie heads available. does the dual four intake for the later fuelie heads have bigger intake passages than the earlier power pak heads intake?
RUnner size on those intakes is tiny. Any modern dual plane would wake it up Id bet. Single 4 barrel
One of a few vette design flaws was no hood clearance for real intake.
Hi- did Richard mention the cranking pressure? Curious.....-P
Perfect Model A engine
I need that motor Richard to put in my dad's 57❤
Ever done anything with a 267? Small 3.5" bore SBC. My 79 El Camino has one in it. It will be coming out to be replaced with a more modern engine... maybe an LV1 4.3...
I have not
Do a 350 or a 5.3
Richard, have you guys ever done a 329? 400 block 283 crank, thanks!
No?
I don't think they ever destroked much id love to see a 377 build and the performance curve
Back in the day, a 283 taken out to a 301 was popular.
Great stuff, cool nostalgia looking engine.
Okay... I've never messed with but a couple of 283's over the years. Having said that, I didnt think that you could run a 2.02 intake valve in the small 3.875" bore, especially with that much duration and lift of the cam.
Never mind... I see that he bored it waaaaay out.
Has anyone run these trick flow heads??? I bolted a set onto a 350 hopefully get to start it up soon...do they really flow 260 CFM??
258 cfm
I'd say close enough for handshoes & horsegrenades
Wow and you managed to get robert Duvall to do the dyno. And here we thought he was just an actor 😂😂
That's impressive!
Need more of this!!!
I have a stock 61 dual quad 283 245hp vette.
Any suggestions for a little more hp while keeping relatively stock?
Thanks to all.
ported heads and new cam
@@richardholdener1727KISS 👍👍👍
Thanks guys
You have to jet way down on a duel carb small displacement motor.
Bloodviking
What’s a good carburetor for a 383 stroker?
what power level
About 400hp
850 double pumper
The best cam for 283 is a comp cam 268 high energy. 454 lift 268 duration
Works very well in a 318 Mopar, too.
@@mickangio16 the best cam for any small block and a torque monster in big blocks
Could we see this dynoed with efi?
similar results (slightly less power) if you used the same intake and port efi, similar power if you used throttle body efi
We built things like this in the 80s
So it's actually a 350... I probably would've just built a 383 with a milder cam and kept the exterior looking like an old engine. Would've made as much power, more torque and more streetable. A real 400 hp 283 would've been cooler than either one though.
It's a small journal block though, they were pretty light and he would have had some grinding to do to get the 350 crank in there.
I agree. I'd have rather seen close to stock displacement, BECAUSE of the rumored 400 hp 283's we heard of.
Be hard to put a vent tube in the valley of the 350 but I'm with ya even though I'm partial to the 283😊
Manifold and carbs are the limit
I have heard stories of 283's being bored to 4" making 302, cid, my dad had a .060" over 283 in a 64 ss nova, with a glide, and 4.56 gears, it did fair,... mpg was horrible,
You know what I would like to see? I guess you don`t, but I would love to se an 4160 type Carb with an metering plate instead of an seconadry metering block, on the dyno, I have never seen that, how actually is the fuel curve? I would guess it is probably not that bad, but I really have no idea. But I have had 2 of those carbs, and they have worked good on a "normal" car. My first 4160 was an an pre 74 one. It was 40 years+ old when I used it.
Well, actually I bought the last one not that long ago, it was an "remanufactured/returned" carb from Holley, and the choke and idle adjustements and acc. pump was absolutely totally out of adjustment! Good thing I check that stuff before putting it on an engine! That was probably why it was returned. But that seems to be the trend these days, with new parts, less quality control than before.
I have a pair of the 4160s and jet plates, I ran them on a dual quad application and they worked well
@@richardholdener1727 On the dyno? Did they have a nice fuel curve? Sometimes the "basic" stuff is the best.
Working with 70 yr. old carburetors is always a challege.
Ok guys the way to do this engine easily is to do a newer 350 1 piece rear main seal with 383 crank and dress it like the old 283s. With say 550 hp.
Bloodviking
283 with right cam revs 12,000rpm🏁💯 and make 500hp , need to put block filler
Great for around town with 410 gears
That's cool
Is that Steve Brule operating the Dyno??
yes..Stevie B
Why dual carbs when a larger single makes more power?
dual quads look and sound better when you tell people your SBC has dual quads
@richardholdener1727 understandable,thanks for replying...in my book it makes you cooler than a fan in the desert!
Those blocks have alot more meat for higher reves and less flex.
Can we get a SB2 vs a LS build
did they offer sb2 motors in factory cars or trucks?
Neither lol
🤣 No competition, SB2 all day every day
@@mikemechanic622 I would just like to see the comparison.
What you lose in bore is possible to make up in stroke but why not start with a bigger bore block.
It's 4 inches
If you are gonna hot rod a 61 vette I sure would look for streetability out of a 283. I'd just build a 383 and save the original block for a keepsake.
How does ANYBODY do dyno pull videos where you can barely hear the engine?
How does anyone complain about free dyno videos
@@richardholdener1727 as opposed to what...ones you charge for? UA-cam is populated with great dyno videos with great sound from the dyno room, not the control room
🔔😎🇺🇸
I often wonder why you don't make a low rpm pull to show 2500-3500
Hmmm, with those heads and that big of cam, I would have thought 475 hp all day long.
smaller cylinders are the restriction.
Hi Steve
10:19 that's the problem, it's not making any boost!! 😮
Cool.
I guess you could call Brlue's hairstyle a mullet. Nothing in front, party in the back.
So you built a 307 fuelie?
it was a 353 and not a fuelie-but sure!
There's no screws in the top plate of carbe
Where's the 09 and up 5.7 hemi tests and comparisons
How is this a 283 stroker? It's a 020 over 350......
The DZ 302 is still king of the GM 5 liter engines.
The real RPM king of stock Camaro motors! crank it up!
Hand raised. I have a 57 Corvette oem correct 2x4 intake setup. Woohoo.
I'd love to build it with a 3736097 Duntov cam
Or a 30-30
Or 3972178 LT1
Or the hydraulic L79
Can't ever decide.
Brule' and Dulcich have the same hairstylist. But do they use 15W-40 or 10W-30? 😂
spray on WD40
Personally I blame squirrels.🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️
Nuts!!!
I blame raccoons🦝🦝🦝
@@bigboreracing356 totally blame 🦝🦝 🦝
Chevy built a 283 stroker that was called a 307 everyone hated them.
Knew someone who had one many years ago. Seemed to go OK for him.