I really enjoy watching all of these videos. My dad passed a while back, and its hard to explain, but these make me feel closer to him. Such a great crew of professionals with great presentation skills.
Standard breakers actually have two different trip mechanisms to catch different faults. The time delay overload protection uses a bimetallic strip that sort of thermally integrates the current over a short period of time. But there's also a magnetic trip designed to instantly catch much larger overloads like you'd get from a short circuit.
You can actually look up the trip curve for most breakers - how long it will take to trip a specific loads. For example, that same breaker that took a bit at 24 amps will trip much faster at 50 amps, but much slower at 17 amps.
I just found out those AFCI breakers from Siemens are subject to a class action lawsuit in the US due to nuisance tripping. Luckily they make breakers that are both AFCI and GFCI and don't seem to have the same issue. They are more expensive though so if you have AFCI only in your new build, take a look at the lawsuit to see if you should join. Most annoying thing I have ever encountered with a new panel.
For the most part, 14 guage wire is on the 15 amp breaker and 12 guage wire is on 20. 10 guage wire on 30 amp breaker and so on. However, if the wire run exceeds a certain length, then, the 12 guage on 15 amp breaker and 10 guage on 20.
Would be nice to talk about what happens when you have the wrong wire on the wrong breaker... AKA I had a 20amp breaker that was only using 14g wire. In that case, the breaker won't trip right away and will cause the wire to overheat longer.
Same thing could happen in an older system served by a fuse panel, which is rarely encountered today. Sometimes the fuse, if it's a screw in type, can be bypassed by inserting a penny or aluminum foil in the socket then screwing the fuse back in. Or if it's a cartridge type fuse, they can also be bypassed, by driving a nail through the fuse, by wrapping it with aluminum foil or chewing gun wrappers, or my inserting a piece of copper pipe or metal conduit. In the unlikely event you found a fuse panel still in service, it would be a good idea to check for these dangerous band aid repairs, and it would be a good idea and probably a requirement for insurance purposes, to replace it with a modern breaker panel, because virtually all fuse panels were 60 amp services, which will not comfortably serve a modern household, although a few larger fuse panels in the late 50s and early 60s were 100 amps, which is the smallest residential service allowed in the US. In Canada, I believe they will still allow a 60 amp service if the house is 860 square feet or smaller and where major appliances are gas instead of electrically heated.
@Sparky1500 In America (I live in the south), most of the old fuse boxes I encounter are of the 100 amp variety. I also encounter 100 amp breaker boxes from time to time. I have seen 60 amp fuse boxes but they're mostly in out buildings or well pump houses. Honestly, if the wire is modern and in good condition, a 100 amp fuse box doesn't bother me in an out building or a small house (that mostly has gas appliances). Fuses are still commonly available at hardware stores. As long as no one has done any of the 'redneck bandaids' you refer to, fuses are a tried and true technology. In some cases, maybe better than breakers. If a breaker keeps tripping, a lot of people will just keep resetting it. If a particular fuse 'pops' a couple of times, most folks will take action to get it fixed correctly. Ya'll Take Care and be safe, John
I would love it if This Old House would make a full-length episode on how not just the American version of this is done but the differences between America and the UK, please? This would be nice if you could not only do this on electrical but plumbing and other home repair and how homes work?
My dad just recently had a small outdoor fire where the Traeger smoker was plugged into an extension cord plugged into a GFCI outlet. The cords were just laying on the ground in wet weather and a couple feet of insulation on the smoker's power cord burned away! I have no idea why the GFCI didn't trip and we were lucky that the fire was noticed before too much was burned besides part of a shed!
What would be more fun would be a myth-busters-like actual test of arcing. Or wrong breaker and see the 14 gauge wires get charred. Or stick a hot lead into a grounded bucket of water. All of course with proper safety measures.
Great video! A couple of questions: When you are wiring your house, can you request that all the wiring be suitable for 20 amps instead of 15? If you do have a 15 amp circuit and it keeps tripping, can a homeowner switch out the breaker from a 15 to a 20 amp one safely? With electrical codes changing, where do you have to install ground fault and arc fault outlets? What outlets or circuits might require greater than 20 amps?
You should not swap out the breaker without also ensuring that the correct wire is used. 15 amp circuits require 14 gauge wire or larger and 20 amp circuits require 12 gauge or larger. Note that the lower the gauge, the bigger the wire. Circuits that have whole-house A/C units, electric clothes driers, tankless electric water heaters, and electric ranges typically will all need more than 20 amps.
@@joe3276865536 also worth noting that in rare cases 12 or sometimes even 10 gauge wiring is used on 15 amp circuits. You would only ever see this in very large homes where the circuit runs are far away from the panel, typically more than 100 feet, to help control voltage drop at the far end to acceptable levels, although if there are several long circuits such as in a large addition, it will often be more economical in terms of labor and material, to install a subpanel near the remote area instead of having to oversize all of the circuits.
@@Sparky-ww5re Agreed. I previously tried to use 12 gauge for all of the 15 amp circuits I wired as this was recommended by a book I read. However, I gave this up for shorter circuits because 14 gauge is just easier to work with.
Hi vince have you become a flat earther yet? If not I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
GFCI is where moisture can be an issue - so bathrooms, kitchens and exterior. AFCI are becoming the new standard in lieu of regular breakers due to many jurisdictions requiring them in new builds/change of service. Unfortunately AFCI breakers do cost more than regular breakers.
Was learning about this the other day (Timely). - A 20A receptacle and a 15A receptacle are the same with the exception of the T-slot. - The purpose of the breaker is to protect the wire...the receptacle has no real bearing on the safety (not GF/AFCI) when it comes to amperage. So if you have a 15A breaker, 12/2 wire and a regular 15A receptacle, all you need to do is exchange the 15A breaker with a 20A breaker and the service is now safe for 20A service from breaker to receptacle. If Im wrong someone correct me.
The danger is that you can't see what's inside the wall... just because you see 12/2 at the breaker panel doesn't mean that the entire circuit is wired in 12/2. There might be some 14 gauge lurking between outlets three and four in the circuit, for instance.
@@CoolerQ I wired the home myself with the exception of the breakers (was not allowed to). All wire is exposed inside of a crawlspace. I was not aware that the guts of a 15A/20A receptacle were not different from one another. It was more of a thought that if my T-slots wear out in the kitchen and I need to replace then a regular 15A receptacle would suffice.
@@fillmorehillmore8239Be aware that the 15 and 20 amp receptacles may not be the same internally when comparing "residential grade" receptacles. If you want a more robust receptacle, then choose a "spec grade" receptacle, the 15 and 20 amp receptacles are the same internally.
Did not really explain why breakers trip (except on a kindergartens level). Clean presentation though and I did learn something - I've never seen an ARC breaker.
20 years is old, but shouldn't cause breakers to start failing. Do you have water leakage or rust around your panel box? Sometimes the power wire leading into a house is improperly laid out (inadequate weather head or drop loops) and the wire channels water through the protective jacket, into the the meter box, and into the breaker panel, rusting and corroding breakers from behind. I've seen it 2x on a home a friend bought that had a bunch of dead breakers, and one I looked at with a visible water stain.
@@volvo09 we have water leaks in a little bit….. right now dry air stops any mildew … some play act up…! My breaker stop 15 amps os 20 amps .. play craps out. In Massachusetts I’m not allowed to put my old breakers how…. I had I could be sued if this is done correctly.
@@brianglade848 Ha reminds me of the 3 stooges where Curly says "Oh no wonder the pipes dont work! They're full of wires." and yanks out the wires then connects it into water pipes. So, when the chef upstairs turns on the lights, he gets soaked.
My wife is always tripping the outlet in the bathroom with the blower dryer and the t.v. is on and the lights in the bathroom light and bathroom lights is on and it always we have to goes to the basement to reset the outlet. Need help.
Why promote junk like Siemens and not a quality product like Square D? I’m a service electrician and I see more problems with Siemens breakers then any other brand. You also missed Dual Function breakers and 2 pole breakers.
Hi samsquires have you become a flat earther yet? If not I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
When I was two I did just that while standing in the bathtub. I must have hit the neutral side first (because I am still here) but I vaporized a quarter of the tweezers. It must have had some effect as I worked all of my life as an electrical engineer. My last project was a 10kV 5A dc power supply.
Hi rogerdevero have you become a flat earther yet? If not I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
Some circuits (such as lights) don’t need a 20 amp circuit. A 20 amp circuit requires a more expensive wire and because it’s thicker, it is more difficult to work with.
The tester he is using is the Klein Tools RT310 in case you are wondering. The logo was covered by electrical tape.
I really enjoy watching all of these videos. My dad passed a while back, and its hard to explain, but these make me feel closer to him. Such a great crew of professionals with great presentation skills.
Standard breakers actually have two different trip mechanisms to catch different faults. The time delay overload protection uses a bimetallic strip that sort of thermally integrates the current over a short period of time. But there's also a magnetic trip designed to instantly catch much larger overloads like you'd get from a short circuit.
You can actually look up the trip curve for most breakers - how long it will take to trip a specific loads. For example, that same breaker that took a bit at 24 amps will trip much faster at 50 amps, but much slower at 17 amps.
Thanks for the explanation. I was disappointed that the curly haired host didn't ask the electrician how it worked.
I just found out those AFCI breakers from Siemens are subject to a class action lawsuit in the US due to nuisance tripping. Luckily they make breakers that are both AFCI and GFCI and don't seem to have the same issue. They are more expensive though so if you have AFCI only in your new build, take a look at the lawsuit to see if you should join. Most annoying thing I have ever encountered with a new panel.
So, are you saying, because of a defective breaker, the electrician is basically chasing his tale?
Great video! AWESOME topic! Thank You So Very Much for showing us why breakers trip. Lots of Great information! :)
For the most part, 14 guage wire is on the 15 amp breaker and 12 guage wire is on 20. 10 guage wire on 30 amp breaker and so on. However, if the wire run exceeds a certain length, then, the 12 guage on 15 amp breaker and 10 guage on 20.
Would be nice to talk about what happens when you have the wrong wire on the wrong breaker... AKA I had a 20amp breaker that was only using 14g wire. In that case, the breaker won't trip right away and will cause the wire to overheat longer.
A fire is what happen haha
Same thing could happen in an older system served by a fuse panel, which is rarely encountered today. Sometimes the fuse, if it's a screw in type, can be bypassed by inserting a penny or aluminum foil in the socket then screwing the fuse back in. Or if it's a cartridge type fuse, they can also be bypassed, by driving a nail through the fuse, by wrapping it with aluminum foil or chewing gun wrappers, or my inserting a piece of copper pipe or metal conduit.
In the unlikely event you found a fuse panel still in service, it would be a good idea to check for these dangerous band aid repairs, and it would be a good idea and probably a requirement for insurance purposes, to replace it with a modern breaker panel, because virtually all fuse panels were 60 amp services, which will not comfortably serve a modern household, although a few larger fuse panels in the late 50s and early 60s were 100 amps, which is the smallest residential service allowed in the US. In Canada, I believe they will still allow a 60 amp service if the house is 860 square feet or smaller and where major appliances are gas instead of electrically heated.
@Sparky1500 In America (I live in the south), most of the old fuse boxes I encounter are of the 100 amp variety. I also encounter 100 amp breaker boxes from time to time. I have seen 60 amp fuse boxes but they're mostly in out buildings or well pump houses.
Honestly, if the wire is modern and in good condition, a 100 amp fuse box doesn't bother me in an out building or a small house (that mostly has gas appliances). Fuses are still commonly available at hardware stores. As long as no one has done any of the 'redneck bandaids' you refer to, fuses are a tried and true technology. In some cases, maybe better than breakers. If a breaker keeps tripping, a lot of people will just keep resetting it. If a particular fuse 'pops' a couple of times, most folks will take action to get it fixed correctly.
Ya'll Take Care and be safe, John
That's why it's a code violation to use 14 awg on 20 A circuits.
The easiest fix to your problem is to replace that breaker with a 15 A one.
I would love it if This Old House would make a full-length episode on how not just the American version of this is done but the differences between America and the UK, please? This would be nice if you could not only do this on electrical but plumbing and other home repair and how homes work?
Their information is strictly Northeast United States. Hell, a lot of time their information doesn’t translate well, to even, Texas.
Great Scott might be the channel you’re looking to as far as European electrical goes.
@@fearofchicke Regulations are an entirely alien concept to anything on the Texas electric grid
Sure, just as soon as European content creators start providing measurement conversions to US Custom units.
Thank you for providing current information.
What is the current limit for GFCI breakers to trip? Is it fixed or available in various limits?
The regulations call for between 4-6 milliamps, most manufacturers settle around 5.
My dad just recently had a small outdoor fire where the Traeger smoker was plugged into an extension cord plugged into a GFCI outlet. The cords were just laying on the ground in wet weather and a couple feet of insulation on the smoker's power cord burned away! I have no idea why the GFCI didn't trip and we were lucky that the fire was noticed before too much was burned besides part of a shed!
What would be more fun would be a myth-busters-like actual test of arcing. Or wrong breaker and see the 14 gauge wires get charred. Or stick a hot lead into a grounded bucket of water.
All of course with proper safety measures.
Great video! A couple of questions:
When you are wiring your house, can you request that all the wiring be suitable for 20 amps instead of 15?
If you do have a 15 amp circuit and it keeps tripping, can a homeowner switch out the breaker from a 15 to a 20 amp one safely?
With electrical codes changing, where do you have to install ground fault and arc fault outlets?
What outlets or circuits might require greater than 20 amps?
You should not swap out the breaker without also ensuring that the correct wire is used. 15 amp circuits require 14 gauge wire or larger and 20 amp circuits require 12 gauge or larger. Note that the lower the gauge, the bigger the wire. Circuits that have whole-house A/C units, electric clothes driers, tankless electric water heaters, and electric ranges typically will all need more than 20 amps.
@@joe3276865536 also worth noting that in rare cases 12 or sometimes even 10 gauge wiring is used on 15 amp circuits. You would only ever see this in very large homes where the circuit runs are far away from the panel, typically more than 100 feet, to help control voltage drop at the far end to acceptable levels, although if there are several long circuits such as in a large addition, it will often be more economical in terms of labor and material, to install a subpanel near the remote area instead of having to oversize all of the circuits.
@@Sparky-ww5re Agreed. I previously tried to use 12 gauge for all of the 15 amp circuits I wired as this was recommended by a book I read. However, I gave this up for shorter circuits because 14 gauge is just easier to work with.
That was actually really funny at the end
Nice demonstration. Thank you for sharing.
Hi vince have you become a flat earther yet? If not I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
Great tip there on this matter of electrical protection
So when do you want to have GFCI vs. AFCI? Can you have AFCI breaker and combine it with GFCI outlets?
GFCI is where moisture can be an issue - so bathrooms, kitchens and exterior. AFCI are becoming the new standard in lieu of regular breakers due to many jurisdictions requiring them in new builds/change of service. Unfortunately AFCI breakers do cost more than regular breakers.
@@kaseyc5078 don't forget basements and laundry areas as well per the 2020 NEC
Great information!
Was learning about this the other day (Timely).
- A 20A receptacle and a 15A receptacle are the same with the exception of the T-slot.
- The purpose of the breaker is to protect the wire...the receptacle has no real bearing on the safety (not GF/AFCI) when it comes to amperage.
So if you have a 15A breaker, 12/2 wire and a regular 15A receptacle, all you need to do is exchange the 15A breaker with a 20A breaker and the service is now safe for 20A service from breaker to receptacle.
If Im wrong someone correct me.
The danger is that you can't see what's inside the wall... just because you see 12/2 at the breaker panel doesn't mean that the entire circuit is wired in 12/2. There might be some 14 gauge lurking between outlets three and four in the circuit, for instance.
@@CoolerQ I wired the home myself with the exception of the breakers (was not allowed to). All wire is exposed inside of a crawlspace.
I was not aware that the guts of a 15A/20A receptacle were not different from one another. It was more of a thought that if my T-slots wear out in the kitchen and I need to replace then a regular 15A receptacle would suffice.
@@Kevin-mp5of I agree with you, but the comment seems to imply that I have no common sense.
@@fillmorehillmore8239Be aware that the 15 and 20 amp receptacles may not be the same internally when comparing "residential grade" receptacles. If you want a more robust receptacle, then choose a "spec grade" receptacle, the 15 and 20 amp receptacles are the same internally.
I’m looking at a snow blower corded potentially and I have to go down and look In the box !
Very informative 💯
Thanks for this information, because I’ve had a breaker that flips and didn’t know why
Breakers can also go bad over time and if they flip multiple times that can also degrade the breaker and cause it to trip prematurely.
Cool
Will I fail if master bathroom gfci is located down stairs in powder room..
If the 15 amp keeps shutting off electricity, should you replace the breaker or take it up to higher amp?
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@@eloquent-nuance
Thank you for responding.
Did not really explain why breakers trip (except on a kindergartens level). Clean presentation though and I did learn something - I've never seen an ARC breaker.
will lightning cause a breaker trip ?
I have problems with breakers 20 years is it normal to cramp out?
20 years is old, but shouldn't cause breakers to start failing.
Do you have water leakage or rust around your panel box? Sometimes the power wire leading into a house is improperly laid out (inadequate weather head or drop loops) and the wire channels water through the protective jacket, into the the meter box, and into the breaker panel, rusting and corroding breakers from behind.
I've seen it 2x on a home a friend bought that had a bunch of dead breakers, and one I looked at with a visible water stain.
@@volvo09 we have water leaks in a little bit….. right now dry air stops any mildew … some play act up…! My breaker stop 15 amps os 20 amps .. play craps out. In Massachusetts I’m not allowed to put my old breakers how…. I had I could be sued if this is done correctly.
@@brianglade848 Ha reminds me of the 3 stooges where Curly says "Oh no wonder the pipes dont work! They're full of wires." and yanks out the wires then connects it into water pipes. So, when the chef upstairs turns on the lights, he gets soaked.
I think one of the tools on the table is Heaths Gun 😁
THAT WAS FUNNY KEVIN, DONT HAVE ONE.
My wife is always tripping the outlet in the bathroom with the blower dryer and the t.v. is on and the lights in the bathroom light and bathroom lights is on and it always we have to goes to the basement to reset the outlet. Need help.
Electrician or divorce lawyer?
@@danielcarroll3358 Divorced Lawyer 2: Electric Boogaloo
Great ending - "don't have one" lol
Electrifying
But I need to plug more thing in!
because they're clumsy
Umm... I may need to replace my breaker because it trips but lever doesn't move to the off position 🤔
No, it moves to the neutral position. My mom had the same issue. I drove 100 miles to reset a breaker.
@@twinkie27271 Yes. To reset you move it to the off position. Then you can move it to the on position.
That power would be trippin lol
Nice video 👍👍👍💪👉👷♂️
Anyone in the comment section know how long it takes for the circuit breaker to trip when it's overloaded.
Yeah, I’m allowed to put my old break this by myself…. Oh, I have to pay for it.
Why promote junk like Siemens and not a quality product like Square D? I’m a service electrician and I see more problems with Siemens breakers then any other brand. You also missed Dual Function breakers and 2 pole breakers.
Hi samsquires have you become a flat earther yet? If not I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
So I shouldn’t put tweezers in my outlets?
unless you enjoy electrocution no
That's a shocking idea.
When I was two I did just that while standing in the bathtub. I must have hit the neutral side first (because I am still here) but I vaporized a quarter of the tweezers. It must have had some effect as I worked all of my life as an electrical engineer. My last project was a 10kV 5A dc power supply.
@@danielcarroll3358 I did it as well when I was about 8 or so. That was not fun. It definitely melted the tips.
I wish the AFCI breakers weren’t so expensive.
@@Kevin-mp5of …ok?
Great Work. I can ALWAYS RELY ON YOU! Thank You John 3:16
Hi rogerdevero have you become a flat earther yet? If not I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
If you overload my back I will trip as well.
Why not have it be 20W instead of 15W for a better support for the homeowners.
Some circuits (such as lights) don’t need a 20 amp circuit. A 20 amp circuit requires a more expensive wire and because it’s thicker, it is more difficult to work with.
Because they need to leave the place they got stuck in and see something else 😎
Banana peels
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