What's the punishment? You don't get to max out your character? Boohoo. It's been out a week, you don't need to finish it already. Don't cry over people finding an exploit and taking advantage
Blizz: Soooo you have life and couldnt play 24 hrs the first day like the tryhards? Well, sorry, but you will have to play 12 hrs x day, for 90 days, if you wanna get all the rewards...
@@Jwittybro that people make all and win all the reward in a day. The other people need to farm 12 hrs x day x 90 days for get that level... that is not fair at all... In my opinion reshit, i mean, remix was think for be overpower so why nerf frog? Let the people enjoy, and have fun. Not let 10% have fun and the other 90% farm all day x 3 months, without fun.
@@Ivan-fu3fj You can't explain anything to the cheaters,they will cheat and exploit because they suck at the game and so they have to cheat to get the attention they crave because they have nothing else and no life. And then they'll either act like they're better than everyone else or try to justify it and try to make it seem "normal" for people to cheat in games.
We just want the god tier feeling they offered us and all is a lie. The frog farmers skipped at least 2 months of consistent gameplay in a weekend and they can do the higher level of content now, they can have all the collectibles because Siege Mythic throws you 50k bronze, that's already the 1.5 million you need for all. Let us catch them in 2 or 3 weeks, give us threads like maniacs, under a certain level in the cloak and completely reduce the bronze requirements for the gear upgrades. Don't touch the collectibles, just the gear to be somehow, at some similar level than these guys that didn't exploit the game, just played it like in old Pandaria.
not even echo can clear mythic without dying and they all have full cloaks. its not possible to do mythic as a norma person. trust me. without froggers or ward gem abuse you wont be able to clear any hc raid. maybe mogu and hof but no chance with current state to clear hc/mythic raids. more raid clears btw givesd you more coins. so we are all fucked.
I was also really disappointed to create an alt and find my cloak only has a 100% XP buff after i spent all the time increasing the cloak on my main. I wanted this game mode for leveling and was under the impression my alts would get monster size bonuses
This, too. Nobody is saying this, but it was a major disappointment for me too, logging into an alt. 100% bonus XP is awesome per se. But it's nothing compared to what we were expecting.
@@mothman84 You need to do the normal raid at 25 to get a 12% buff per boss kill. A guy from my guild got from 30 to 35 in a single dungeon on his 4th alt.
@@MuttleyGames We're talking about the fact that when we already have a cloak loaded with stats none of those are transferred to alts. Alts get a flat 100% bonus XP, and everything else at zero.
@@daniellucas5522 You're right you do start with like a smidgeon of power. Basically like you collected threads for 10 minutes. It still feels bad when your main level 70 is stacking experience gain through the roof but there's no reason to get more right?
I was concerned that Blizz would screw up this new game mode, and I was not disappointed. This could have been a great way for Blizz to keep subs up in future expacs by doing it for other old expansions, but now it's likely we'll never see it again. Blizz should have done one of two things - take away all the gains from the frog farm, or give a HUGE buff to all the players that didn't farm the frogs. You didn't even mention the aggro scaling where max level healers pull threat off tanks by simply casting a heal, and so they get killed over and over, and eventually get kicked by the group in hopes that they get a low level healer that will be top DPS, top heals, and un-killable.
Yeah, i did the arena on a fresh 70 warlock solo and it was managable /thus i dont know why you get thrown in solo and not in a group of 3 when using the npc to que) but Dark Heart absolute destroyed me.
I felt like we got lied to with the cloak. they definitely worded everything like all of your stats carry over. its a leveling event that they turned into find your main again and just do constant grinding
At this point just let people transfer their characters over to retail whenever they choose to do so. Whats the point of keeping your level 70 character locked in a game mode where you will be severely outperformed by those who exploited the frog farm.
You can still farm threads at other spots the only difference is that frogs dont give coins anymore which were used to get gems and bronze pretty fast. I only played regularly without powerfarming and my cloak already grants me 9500 stamina which is still far above average i just went straight to do any activity and achievement. Only thing missing for me are all heroic raids
are u fucking retarded? there's no pvp no leaderboard what the fuck do u want? the event was supposed to be a fun event not a competitive one, just play your own game man jesus christ
@@m_rod9562 He is in almost every single other most rated thread. I think he's one of the nolifers who farmed like crazy and now he feels attacked so is thrashing about like one of those dying fish on a boat deck.
I hope every frog farner has their bronze & threads aquired removed from their toons so that they're scaled back with us players that haven't had those opportunities to farm endlessly, unfair advantage so its gotta be fair for all
This has never happened with WoW. This is why the motto of WoW is exploit early and often. These people will cruise through this content, being treated like emperors while other people labor away at boring grind wasting time.
there is actually an easy way out for blizzard here its actually quite simple they take a sample from say between 100 and 500 of the best cloaks equipped currently then they find a decent average from those 100 to 500 cloaks which there should be some decent numbers on them then once a player hits 70 there cloak automatically upgrades to that average stats then players that are 70 that didn't do as much on frogs or at all also get upgraded once they login again or if they to lazy to do that then make a vendor and they can purchase the strongest cloak and done 1 time purchase
I honestly am glad to not feel pressure to farm frogs for hours on end now. But yeah.. kinda feelsbad that some people did in hours what will take me weeks or months.
This is it. And is so easy to solve. If you have X amount of gear level and x amount of threads, you get 0 out of frogs, while the rest can get frogs back if they want to rush a little bit or a lot and then the rest can do it normally. Take away the thing that made some strong, and most not, is creating a 2 tier game that is already making the majority mad.
Problem is that as example myself I feel like I did nothing... But I got 70on first day. So I was doing dungeons and some raids. When I got better gear I decide to try frogs. But lizards decide that even during even no fun for people. By fact now we have overpowered players and players who will be looking on them from bottom. What did those farmers? Grind. No-brainer grind and others now dogs hit compare those farmers. I did almost 7k HP and 1k each stat no frogs. How long I need to farm for next 50-70k??? Till end of year event. Yes I will get it. But those who already have 50+k will get 300+k till same time...
@@wormtpk9635 bro why do people think we care about the bronze I keep seeing this and im getting angry, no we didnt play the game for the bronze I played the game because I wanted to solo heroic and mythics raids. they have now ruined that im done playing!
@wormtpk9635 literally everyone of the 9 other people who started Remix with me have quit due to the bugs, scaling and severe lack of bronze. Not one even hit 70 before quitting.
Some of us are actually playing for fun (imagine that) and dont really give a rats about the frogs - does not really impact me. The scaling issue on the other had needs to be addressed asap
I play for fun and the frog nerf completely impacted me... I wanted to walk around and 1 shot heroic raid bosses solo, "godlike power" as the game mode was advertised. I can now no longer have fun in my way without grinding 90 hours in a game mode that was supposed to be about not grinding
@Bradolol-tx5pc but it has. People stat checking your cloak when you apply for raids its already a thing. The community can and will optimize everything, even a fun event like this. Meta slaves rule WoW. This is why they capped Power gain in BFA and people raged against that too lmao
Would it make sense to offer a boost for everyone to match the highest level cloak a player has achieved in place of not having frog farm? Blizzard deemed it an exploit and doesn’t seem fair that people who abused it benefit and everyone else suffers. To me seems like a fair trade off, not punishing the farmers and not punishing people who didn’t abuse it.
yeah, ppl would care about the frogs if they weren'tr desperate to get better bronze rates, they want those mounts they've been farming for years, 38,000 for each one
still better than retail panda with timeless coins back when you needed 100,000 to get each mount, ppl forget, panda endgame outlasted the life of the expansion, so choose what you buy wisely
thats a wrong asumption. That they "buffed" the caches befor nerfing the frogs does not mean that it wasnt a respnse of the frogs. They could have planned this together but simply choode the one bevor the other, mainly because the frog nerf needed a server reset, thus it was noticed in the morning after the servers reswt.
@@marcpaulus6291 the servers were not reset for any of these changes to take effect, and the frog nerf were almost two days later. and the frog nerf consisted in eliminating one of their drops, so not a lot of coding, it would hardly take them almos two days to do that.
Don't forget the insane amount of major bugs that came with 10.2.7 that have taken weeks to patch. Guild roster, group finder, ground animations. Weeks. There's a respawn bug in an essential townlong quest that can only be solved with incredible luck or not getting a lazy liar gm that'll flag it finished. It's been a bug for years and they didn't patch it before this launch.
Try the Isle of Thunder quest: Into the Skies! It's been broken for many years, it's so broken infact that it can break in 3 different way, most people will never be able to figure a way around that flying phase cause you need to cheat the game so badly just to get past that part.
@brandonl7759 you can walk to the top of the mountain above where the journey ends with some tricky climbing, you can then stand at the top and attack the dragons when they fly past you, takes a while to kill em all but when they die you can jump down to the bossarena and he spawns Took me a while to figure it all out but at least you can finish the quest
I can't wait to meet all these MOP remix players with rerolled sped up classes. Smashing keyboard casually has never been so real as it will be in the TWW.
honestly, let people keep the power on the cloak, but give a big boost to everyone at 70 with a lower powered cloak for thread drops, and massively decrease gear upgrade cost. I think they should also make a formula to nerf any cape that is an absolute statistical outlier like the frog capes while in groupfinder content
That's a lot of effort. It is easier and more effective to just rollback the frog farmers with crazy cloak levels to a specific level of power that's consistent with the average level 70 and remove the heroic raid completion credit towards achievements.
Blizzard in 2024 consists of a bunch of programmers, stoned 24/7, a QA who has no idea about the game, otherwise the frogs would be remembered. A management level that only has the title of manager in their mail-Footer and is of no use. And a modern AI that responds to all support requests with the same text. Blizzard has gone from a cool bunch of people to a sub-par game company, if you outsource the business model, better results, games are made.
It's not like mop remix was fun though... I can run around doing quests and being more powerful than I should whenever I want by just being lvl 10 lol Wasn't mop remix supposed to be some alt-lvling, mog-farming extravaganza? I feel like lvling is slower than in retail, and that I need to decide whether to spend my bronze on mogs or on 90 days of character power......
Blizz apparently isn't going to do anything to the exploiters. They just nerfed the frogs and that's it. Some players now can solo heroics but the majority can only slog along. I'm glad I haven't played this yet. Don't think I'm going to now.
Their only mistake with the frogs was not nerfing it earlier. After playing with a frogger, I can say it was 100% correct to nerf them, its totally disruptive. The scaling problem was/is real, but frogs were not the answer, they were just another problem
I never thought getting every reward was even meant to be possible tbh. To me it makes way more sense to get a dozen of your favorites with good effort. A large part of having that cool mount or transmog is that not everyone has it, so if everyone got every panda reward, they all drastically lose value. As far as the frog thing, its totally annoying. I feel as though they need to take away that power, or drop all cloaks above xxxx statsto a certain point, or just let people frog it up.
I say reset to fresh level 70 for any character that got a certain amount of frog drops or has a certain number of frogs kills. Those stats are recorded already anyway. Those people knew that the frogs were dropping far more than what would be considered even half reasonable so they couldnt even make the defense that they didnt know that they shouldnt be doing it.
the solution is very simple, in dungeons let every boss give you one lesser bronze crystal, let every raid bross give you an epic greater bronze cache crystal, lessers need to have 500 bronze, greater needs to be between 1250 to 2500
problem for me is i am one of those people who didn't do the frog farm but intended on doing so eventually then blizzard nerf it *Fun police strike again* , i went off did all the quests all the exploration all the rares and treasures etc so this upgraded loot from caches is a double blow as i lost out on so much from them too, but i farmed out all the mounts already and i am not sure if i can be bothered now with the xmog, i tried raiding and heroic dungeons a came across the people who did frog farm a couple of times yesterday and it feels belittling to know others now have a huge advantage and i do not feel OP at all i am finding the game mode a huge let down for the hype it had especially at 70 when i am getting 1 shot by mechanics that never one shot me back in Mop i am going to play for a couple of hours today and once i start getting annoyed i think i will be done with remix i wanted to level alts for fun and feel OP as i do not really need them with 40 alts at max level already but that's the prob i don't feel op at all, just the way i feel about all this at the moment.
i was there on day 2 and did it for about an hour and stopped honestly knew they were nerf them and now i dont feel like playing it anymore sucks cause i was excited but now i just lose agro to a dps in dgs and im getting hit very hard its just idk over for me i guess once i get my rewards.
They should just come out and admit they fucked up with this frog nerf and reverse it as fast as possible. Don't think they will, but that's what they should do
I also see a lot of people don't know how to level up fast and complain it's slower than retail. You need to do the normal raids as soon as you hit 25 to get a 12% exp buff per boss. A guy from my guild got 5 levels in a single dungeon on his 4th alt.
Wouldn't have to do any of this to get transmogs that I had already had back that they reset along with mounts that they reset, I used to have well over a hundred and fifty mounts and now since becoming a returning player I only have like 80 and a small handful of the transmogs that I had before. I love how it's perfectly okay for blizzard to clear your content just so they can resell it to you.
buffing the bronze caches makes no sence to compansate for the non-frog farmers. instead of farming, i was doing most of the mayor achivements that rewards bronze caches, so the buff are legit useless for my sake
yeah i was thinking going to play remix. but when i know people are way stronger, and they removed the way to catchup to other people who did the frog farm im not going to play that.
Honestly the bronze is nothing. The item upgrades mean very little. You don't get nearly as much character power from those item upgrades as you do from the cloak. It is funny because people are completely bitching about the entirely wrong thing. They could make item upgrades cost 1 bronze and it wouldn't be the big advantage you think it is. There are plenty of easy ways to farm bronze to be honest.
Blizz dont care the players who wants to collect everything imo ,if u want to collect everything work 8 hours a day for 90 days , this is fun from blizz perspective
it wasn't the bronze or the coins that the frogs were dropping that people were farming for, it was the threads. and people are not upset about others farming the frogs to get a week or 2 advantage, but that bliz nerfed the frog drops.
Not to mention players who abused farms like this early are able to solo raid content and farm even more absurd bronze/hour as a result. ua-cam.com/video/w3-Hz1VqO_I/v-deo.html Nerfing frogs only keeps the people who didnt abuse them out of the loop while people who did abuse them can just move onto soloing raids and continue getting crazy power spikes/threads/bronze.
I just got the best of both worlds... I did the frogs for overall maybe 6 hours before they nerfed it. I did not know about turning in the lesser coins for a box... and they just buffed the box's xD
if that frog farm is considered an exploit how about some repercussions? Continue to reward people for exploiting only makes people look for exploits asap and abuse it while you can because at the end of the day, you have everything to gain and nothing to lose
im having a shit ton of fun idk lol. Feel like ppl look at others way too much and get upset. Theres been some raids/duungeons where some frog farmer is goin' dummy but it didnt bother me. And I just create my own raids and invite whoever, got through heroics and normals with "regular people" just fine.
Where pandaria gladiator mounts? They clearly have the attitude of nothing >10 years ago matters. Years of farming work destroyed anyway with this event.
you know..if I was those who exploited..I wouldnt go and complain that it got nerfed..blizz is well known to punish harshly those who complain about exploit being fixed, they also forget exchanging lesser charm of good fortune for bronze create a transaction log that can be tracked..and could earn them a 3 month ban..you know..the duration of remix..they should be quiet and not brag about it really... Also, since this weekly reset, the scalling seems to have adjusted itself as my lvl 70 with just 346 ilvl is no longer getting one shotted by trash in heroic dungeon..
I kind of think the people that exploited the frogs kind of ruined the fun for themselves. But at the same time, I am not sure how much fun it will be after 70 since scaling is pretty rough. I really hope blizzard fix this soon so people that play as intended can somewhat enjoy the experience. It has some decent potential to be a lot of fun for sure. Just needs work as of now.
Lol they should just check pibbot's kill counter on the frogs, and compare it with every other player's frog kill count, then send everyone X number of frog's loot until their frog count is the same as pibbot's :D lol then nobody will be underpowered or overpowered, it will just be like starting over
Love how all you sore losers are calling the frogs an “exploit” these frogs have been around since mop and were farmed and it was never nerfed etc blizzard knew about it and they didnt change anything lol, in a mode where everything is supposed to be op and broken how come some losers can name whats an exploit and what isnt at will? I could say the secrets of ragefire instance is full of exploiters if people use the rocket boots to one shot everything…
frogs should never have been nerfed tbh since they fucked up the only way they should have done it if they chose to nerf then abusers of the frogs get ether banned or the power and bronze etc removed from them or just leave it as is
Blizzard should have let frog farms be since the remix is just self contained mode for few weeks. They should have just let everyone go balls to the wall if they want, since its almost only for cosmetics etc.
the bronze problem can be fixed by massively decreasing the cost of the item upgrades and cosmetics - bronze is pointless once you have everything. the cloak is uncapped so any frog farmers will only get more powerful no matter what blizzard do to make that better for the rest of us - theres no way to kill that gap, the farmers will always be that much more powerful (to the point where they can solo anything but get nothing from it as they have everything) - but at least the rest of us can get strong enough to counter the scaling issue (until thats resolved) and get our stuff
This is what happens when Blizzard splits the dev team into 5 different versions of the game (7 if you count plunderstorm and both retail and new retail expansion). They will all suck and wont have enough devs to make any one of them good. What a joke of a company Blizzard has become.
Just leave this farm, i don't get it, it's removed now when some players are weeks ahead, boost bronze drop? Sry to break it down for you, but players who did frog farm will benefit from those aswell....
I’m sorry but if anyone feel they aren’t overpowered in MoP Remix, they’re just bad at the game. It’s okay you might be good at other things but this one ain’t it.
Guys. Every patch, every expansion, there will be something not working as intended. Instead of leaving to let everyone benefit, blizzard will nerf it and leave the ones who benefited from the exploits alone. It has happened over and over and over again. The only time I’ve ever seen them take action is in legion for the elite infernal exploit.
I really don’t care that much about the gear, I’m just after the mounts and that’s it for this event. But would be great to get that burst from the frogs
I'm not playing again until they roll back the cloaks to at least the highest level that was achieved without killing any frogs. Either that or delete any characters that exploited.
I wont lie, all of these "game modes" are really putting me off. I appreciate their willingness to try new things, but its an MMO. Work on retail or classic. These rehashed game modes have some fun ideas, but overall they just feel like cheap, unpolished gimmicks.
So this game mode is dead already, shame. I wasn't playing it to grind forever like wow fortnite plundershit, I barely have time to do shit in retail for season 4.
They could also just prolong the event, to give collectors more time to grind bronze. Nerfs like "Oops, we didn't realize this gun was loaded, sorry!" that's Blizzard's signature move. No surprise there, really. We're complaining that our cheating girlfriend of 20 years just cheated on us again - that's to be expected. But that, COMBINED with the other factors, talk about how to ruin a good party in a spectacular way!
Yeah i thought the cloak was going to transfer to the alts... Its not a lot but I even farmed XP after i hit 70 and the XP threads you get after 70 go to your bags but are soulbound not account bound.... CMON.... I had fun levelling my character to 70 but I tanked a dungeon at level 69, to ding in the dungeon, and get one-shotted by the first mob in the dungeon... You can imagine how THE REST of the dungeon went... After people voted to kick me out of the group left, and we got new people in, I did ding 70 in the dungeon, but i wasnt smiling about it....
Quit whining, how can you pretend to like something if you wanna ragequit because they removed an exploit. I'll farm slow and steady and wont go whining on every yt video about the topic
this is why i didn't want classic wow, we are now seeing the consequences of blizz making retail compete with classic and making self inflicted sabatoge to keep retail popular
they really shouldnt have used bronze for gear upgrades and unlockables. It feels fuckin awful and if you dont have a ton of time to dump into the event it basically means you have to choose between being able to participate in any end game content or getting the rewards you want
I've not played much since hitting 70. Normal content gives shit all. Heroic content I get one shot by unavoidable AoE and hit like a wet rag. It's just no fun, which takes away the whole point of this game mode.
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it has always been blizzard go to strategy to let that which has no life exploit for 48h straight then punish all the other players
What's the punishment? You don't get to max out your character? Boohoo. It's been out a week, you don't need to finish it already. Don't cry over people finding an exploit and taking advantage
@@Jwitty exploiter found, opinion discarded.
Blizz: Soooo you have life and couldnt play 24 hrs the first day like the tryhards? Well, sorry, but you will have to play 12 hrs x day, for 90 days, if you wanna get all the rewards...
@@Jwittybro that people make all and win all the reward in a day. The other people need to farm 12 hrs x day x 90 days for get that level... that is not fair at all...
In my opinion reshit, i mean, remix was think for be overpower so why nerf frog? Let the people enjoy, and have fun.
Not let 10% have fun and the other 90% farm all day x 3 months, without fun.
@@Ivan-fu3fj You can't explain anything to the cheaters,they will cheat and exploit because they suck at the game and so they have to cheat to get the attention they crave because they have nothing else and no life. And then they'll either act like they're better than everyone else or try to justify it and try to make it seem "normal" for people to cheat in games.
We just want the god tier feeling they offered us and all is a lie. The frog farmers skipped at least 2 months of consistent gameplay in a weekend and they can do the higher level of content now, they can have all the collectibles because Siege Mythic throws you 50k bronze, that's already the 1.5 million you need for all. Let us catch them in 2 or 3 weeks, give us threads like maniacs, under a certain level in the cloak and completely reduce the bronze requirements for the gear upgrades. Don't touch the collectibles, just the gear to be somehow, at some similar level than these guys that didn't exploit the game, just played it like in old Pandaria.
I finished the whole jade forest campaign and got 1000 bronze :(
not even echo can clear mythic without dying and they all have full cloaks. its not possible to do mythic as a norma person. trust me. without froggers or ward gem abuse you wont be able to clear any hc raid. maybe mogu and hof but no chance with current state to clear hc/mythic raids.
more raid clears btw givesd you more coins. so we are all fucked.
@@ic3t3ap3achwtf are you on about ? If you have a full raid that maxed the shit out of the cloak you can literally one shot anything
blizzars should just outright debunk these people to the firstday they dit exploit a glitch and that isent allowed
@@Thrall966You’re doing something wrong. I had like 10k+ before even leaving jade forest
I was also really disappointed to create an alt and find my cloak only has a 100% XP buff after i spent all the time increasing the cloak on my main. I wanted this game mode for leveling and was under the impression my alts would get monster size bonuses
This, too. Nobody is saying this, but it was a major disappointment for me too, logging into an alt. 100% bonus XP is awesome per se. But it's nothing compared to what we were expecting.
@@mothman84 You need to do the normal raid at 25 to get a 12% buff per boss kill. A guy from my guild got from 30 to 35 in a single dungeon on his 4th alt.
@@MuttleyGames We're talking about the fact that when we already have a cloak loaded with stats none of those are transferred to alts. Alts get a flat 100% bonus XP, and everything else at zero.
@@mothman84 This is literally just a lie why say it?
You get 4x your normal stamina and primary, and 45% vers.
@@daniellucas5522 You're right you do start with like a smidgeon of power. Basically like you collected threads for 10 minutes. It still feels bad when your main level 70 is stacking experience gain through the roof but there's no reason to get more right?
I was concerned that Blizz would screw up this new game mode, and I was not disappointed. This could have been a great way for Blizz to keep subs up in future expacs by doing it for other old expansions, but now it's likely we'll never see it again. Blizz should have done one of two things - take away all the gains from the frog farm, or give a HUGE buff to all the players that didn't farm the frogs. You didn't even mention the aggro scaling where max level healers pull threat off tanks by simply casting a heal, and so they get killed over and over, and eventually get kicked by the group in hopes that they get a low level healer that will be top DPS, top heals, and un-killable.
OMG- Doing Heroic Scenario Dark Heart of Pandaria absolutely destroyed me. The tuning on that is ridiculous.
Yeah, i did the arena on a fresh 70 warlock solo and it was managable /thus i dont know why you get thrown in solo and not in a group of 3 when using the npc to que) but Dark Heart absolute destroyed me.
I felt like we got lied to with the cloak. they definitely worded everything like all of your stats carry over. its a leveling event that they turned into find your main again and just do constant grinding
people just misunderstood, they said you could level alts, not carry over with 0 effort on a 2nd run
At this point just let people transfer their characters over to retail whenever they choose to do so. Whats the point of keeping your level 70 character locked in a game mode where you will be severely outperformed by those who exploited the frog farm.
You can still farm threads at other spots the only difference is that frogs dont give coins anymore which were used to get gems and bronze pretty fast. I only played regularly without powerfarming and my cloak already grants me 9500 stamina which is still far above average i just went straight to do any activity and achievement. Only thing missing for me are all heroic raids
are u fucking retarded? there's no pvp no leaderboard what the fuck do u want? the event was supposed to be a fun event not a competitive one, just play your own game man jesus christ
@Bradolol-tx5pc you okay bud? You’re kinda spazzing out there 🤣😂
@@m_rod9562 He is in almost every single other most rated thread. I think he's one of the nolifers who farmed like crazy and now he feels attacked so is thrashing about like one of those dying fish on a boat deck.
so where's the best place to farm threads right now?
they have to put cloacks all on same level with 70 or pandaria is over
Yes. Exactly.
I was looking forward to playing this mode but couldn’t play the first 2 days. This happened. I won’t be paying.
Not even Private Servers are this fucking bad.........
True
Only thing that annoys me is that I missed out and to get all the mounts will take longer then it would have for frog farmers
I hope every frog farner has their bronze & threads aquired removed from their toons so that they're scaled back with us players that haven't had those opportunities to farm endlessly, unfair advantage so its gotta be fair for all
This has never happened with WoW. This is why the motto of WoW is exploit early and often. These people will cruise through this content, being treated like emperors while other people labor away at boring grind wasting time.
the scale of upgrade cost feels like it was based of people frog farming or any of the other slightly lesser farms on the same island.
there is actually an easy way out for blizzard here its actually quite simple they take a sample from say between 100 and 500 of the best cloaks equipped currently then they find a decent average from those 100 to 500 cloaks which there should be some decent numbers on them then once a player hits 70 there cloak automatically upgrades to that average stats then players that are 70 that didn't do as much on frogs or at all also get upgraded once they login again or if they to lazy to do that then make a vendor and they can purchase the strongest cloak and done 1 time purchase
I honestly am glad to not feel pressure to farm frogs for hours on end now. But yeah.. kinda feelsbad that some people did in hours what will take me weeks or months.
This is it. And is so easy to solve. If you have X amount of gear level and x amount of threads, you get 0 out of frogs, while the rest can get frogs back if they want to rush a little bit or a lot and then the rest can do it normally. Take away the thing that made some strong, and most not, is creating a 2 tier game that is already making the majority mad.
Don't feel bad, They'll buff the rate of bronze substantially once interest starts tanking just like they always do.
Problem is that as example myself I feel like I did nothing... But I got 70on first day. So I was doing dungeons and some raids. When I got better gear I decide to try frogs. But lizards decide that even during even no fun for people. By fact now we have overpowered players and players who will be looking on them from bottom. What did those farmers? Grind. No-brainer grind and others now dogs hit compare those farmers. I did almost 7k HP and 1k each stat no frogs. How long I need to farm for next 50-70k??? Till end of year event. Yes I will get it. But those who already have 50+k will get 300+k till same time...
@@wormtpk9635 bro why do people think we care about the bronze I keep seeing this and im getting angry, no we didnt play the game for the bronze I played the game because I wanted to solo heroic and mythics raids. they have now ruined that im done playing!
@wormtpk9635 literally everyone of the 9 other people who started Remix with me have quit due to the bugs, scaling and severe lack of bronze. Not one even hit 70 before quitting.
Some of us are actually playing for fun (imagine that) and dont really give a rats about the frogs - does not really impact me. The scaling issue on the other had needs to be addressed asap
just had a tank doing 10x everyones damage in our normal raid....
i just went afk on bosses -.-
its ruined the experience completely
I play for fun and the frog nerf completely impacted me... I wanted to walk around and 1 shot heroic raid bosses solo, "godlike power" as the game mode was advertised. I can now no longer have fun in my way without grinding 90 hours in a game mode that was supposed to be about not grinding
@@baz1324 would it ruin your experience too if you could do that or just solo the raid like they advertised?
@Bradolol-tx5pc but it has. People stat checking your cloak when you apply for raids its already a thing. The community can and will optimize everything, even a fun event like this. Meta slaves rule WoW. This is why they capped Power gain in BFA and people raged against that too lmao
got into a SoO heroic and a guy did 6 million dps. that was the end of mop remix for me.
Wah wah wah some guy farmed and is doing damage in a for fun game mode, get over it loser
I think it’s great some people are powerful and have all the currency makes the game more realistic
😂
BRO THAT FIRST CLIP OF THE SHADOW PRIEST BASICALLY SOLO’ING THE BOSS WTF
i've seen a 5 man group solo the sha in a matter of 1 min..the highest hp was a rogue with nearly 2million hp..
Would it make sense to offer a boost for everyone to match the highest level cloak a player has achieved in place of not having frog farm? Blizzard deemed it an exploit and doesn’t seem fair that people who abused it benefit and everyone else suffers.
To me seems like a fair trade off, not punishing the farmers and not punishing people who didn’t abuse it.
they should be scaling down rewards as you get more powerful to keep things fair, not just cap it off
They should roll back the exploiters, increase thread gain, increase bronze drop and lower upgrade cost & sort scaling out
yeah, ppl would care about the frogs if they weren'tr desperate to get better bronze rates, they want those mounts they've been farming for years, 38,000 for each one
still better than retail panda with timeless coins back when you needed 100,000 to get each mount, ppl forget, panda endgame outlasted the life of the expansion, so choose what you buy wisely
The bronce cache buff was before the frog nerf. So it wasn't a response after the frog nerf as stated in the video.
thats a wrong asumption. That they "buffed" the caches befor nerfing the frogs does not mean that it wasnt a respnse of the frogs. They could have planned this together but simply choode the one bevor the other, mainly because the frog nerf needed a server reset, thus it was noticed in the morning after the servers reswt.
@@marcpaulus6291 the servers were not reset for any of these changes to take effect, and the frog nerf were almost two days later. and the frog nerf consisted in eliminating one of their drops, so not a lot of coding, it would hardly take them almos two days to do that.
Don't forget the insane amount of major bugs that came with 10.2.7 that have taken weeks to patch. Guild roster, group finder, ground animations. Weeks. There's a respawn bug in an essential townlong quest that can only be solved with incredible luck or not getting a lazy liar gm that'll flag it finished. It's been a bug for years and they didn't patch it before this launch.
and by "years".... this bug was reported in 2013. Its been over a decade.
Try the Isle of Thunder quest: Into the Skies! It's been broken for many years, it's so broken infact that it can break in 3 different way, most people will never be able to figure a way around that flying phase cause you need to cheat the game so badly just to get past that part.
@@LiquidSnake794Been stuck on that for days. I'm at a loss for what to do
@brandonl7759 you can walk to the top of the mountain above where the journey ends with some tricky climbing, you can then stand at the top and attack the dragons when they fly past you, takes a while to kill em all but when they die you can jump down to the bossarena and he spawns
Took me a while to figure it all out but at least you can finish the quest
@@LiquidSnake794 or just take dps spec.. and burst them, or just farm some gear(threads) so you will have dmg to kill them
One thing i dont get.
No matter what blizzard buff to help non froggers 'catch up'. Is that the foggers can just do the same activities.
so... they "fix" this and let the overpowert dudes stay? how is that balanced
I can't wait to meet all these MOP remix players with rerolled sped up classes.
Smashing keyboard casually has never been so real as it will be in the TWW.
Blizz should just take the L and reset the whole event.
if i can keep my transmog earned through questing and normal gaming.
Hard agree, but they don' t have the balls to do a move like that unfortunately. Older MMOs did do that though.
honestly, let people keep the power on the cloak, but give a big boost to everyone at 70 with a lower powered cloak for thread drops, and massively decrease gear upgrade cost.
I think they should also make a formula to nerf any cape that is an absolute statistical outlier like the frog capes while in groupfinder content
That's a lot of effort. It is easier and more effective to just rollback the frog farmers with crazy cloak levels to a specific level of power that's consistent with the average level 70 and remove the heroic raid completion credit towards achievements.
@@TheBulgethis ^^^
froggers definitely ruined the Pandaria experience
The frogs are saved! Gear upgrades are painful when I need so many mounts and transmogs, though.
Blizzard in 2024 consists of a bunch of programmers, stoned 24/7, a QA who has no idea about the game, otherwise the frogs would be remembered. A management level that only has the title of manager in their mail-Footer and is of no use. And a modern AI that responds to all support requests with the same text. Blizzard has gone from a cool bunch of people to a sub-par game company, if you outsource the business model, better results, games are made.
It's not like mop remix was fun though... I can run around doing quests and being more powerful than I should whenever I want by just being lvl 10 lol
Wasn't mop remix supposed to be some alt-lvling, mog-farming extravaganza? I feel like lvling is slower than in retail, and that I need to decide whether to spend my bronze on mogs or on 90 days of character power......
Blizz apparently isn't going to do anything to the exploiters. They just nerfed the frogs and that's it. Some players now can solo heroics but the majority can only slog along. I'm glad I haven't played this yet. Don't think I'm going to now.
grouping up and farming mobs isn't an exploit, just so you know
@@questcore636 It was literally an exploit since it was removed as being a bug.
Their only mistake with the frogs was not nerfing it earlier. After playing with a frogger, I can say it was 100% correct to nerf them, its totally disruptive.
The scaling problem was/is real, but frogs were not the answer, they were just another problem
I never thought getting every reward was even meant to be possible tbh. To me it makes way more sense to get a dozen of your favorites with good effort. A large part of having that cool mount or transmog is that not everyone has it, so if everyone got every panda reward, they all drastically lose value. As far as the frog thing, its totally annoying. I feel as though they need to take away that power, or drop all cloaks above xxxx statsto a certain point, or just let people frog it up.
Spoken like a true casual.
NO
Yeah, i too dont think you should be able to get every reward, just work towards what you like, seems reasonable.
@@fated2pretend what does this even mean?
@@JamesGang-qw1pe He's saying that because I didn't reserve my weekend for exploiting, that I am not a good gamer. lol
I say reset to fresh level 70 for any character that got a certain amount of frog drops or has a certain number of frogs kills. Those stats are recorded already anyway. Those people knew that the frogs were dropping far more than what would be considered even half reasonable so they couldnt even make the defense that they didnt know that they shouldnt be doing it.
Why did u hide guzu ?
the solution is very simple, in dungeons let every boss give you one lesser bronze crystal, let every raid bross give you an epic greater bronze cache crystal, lessers need to have 500 bronze, greater needs to be between 1250 to 2500
problem for me is i am one of those people who didn't do the frog farm but intended on doing so eventually then blizzard nerf it *Fun police strike again* , i went off did all the quests all the exploration all the rares and treasures etc so this upgraded loot from caches is a double blow as i lost out on so much from them too, but i farmed out all the mounts already and i am not sure if i can be bothered now with the xmog, i tried raiding and heroic dungeons a came across the people who did frog farm a couple of times yesterday and it feels belittling to know others now have a huge advantage and i do not feel OP at all i am finding the game mode a huge let down for the hype it had especially at 70 when i am getting 1 shot by mechanics that never one shot me back in Mop i am going to play for a couple of hours today and once i start getting annoyed i think i will be done with remix i wanted to level alts for fun and feel OP as i do not really need them with 40 alts at max level already but that's the prob i don't feel op at all, just the way i feel about all this at the moment.
i was there on day 2 and did it for about an hour and stopped honestly knew they were nerf them and now i dont feel like playing it anymore sucks cause i was excited but now i just lose agro to a dps in dgs and im getting hit very hard its just idk over for me i guess once i get my rewards.
They should just come out and admit they fucked up with this frog nerf and reverse it as fast as possible. Don't think they will, but that's what they should do
Had a holy priest with 14 million hp doing over a million dps in my raid last night just from searing light and holy nova.
I also see a lot of people don't know how to level up fast and complain it's slower than retail. You need to do the normal raids as soon as you hit 25 to get a 12% exp buff per boss. A guy from my guild got 5 levels in a single dungeon on his 4th alt.
Wouldn't have to do any of this to get transmogs that I had already had back that they reset along with mounts that they reset, I used to have well over a hundred and fifty mounts and now since becoming a returning player I only have like 80 and a small handful of the transmogs that I had before. I love how it's perfectly okay for blizzard to clear your content just so they can resell it to you.
buffing the bronze caches makes no sence to compansate for the non-frog farmers. instead of farming, i was doing most of the mayor achivements that rewards bronze caches, so the buff are legit useless for my sake
Blizzard's response will be "Sucks to suck, go make a new character & do them all over"
you can still get the charms though, which is 2500 bronze every 120 caches if yoyu did the wallshield questline
I'm honestly kinda glad I didn't resub for this, I was on the fence, but I just don't think I'm gonna bother.
Bye
That’s a big L bro. Even with this controversy it’s still awesome ngl
yeah i was thinking going to play remix. but when i know people are way stronger, and they removed the way to catchup to other people who did the frog farm im not going to play that.
Literaly they shited on us who didnt farm frogs.
The best part is the cloak being juiced isn’t the issue, it’s the amount of bronze they got that can just upgrade all their items
Honestly the bronze is nothing. The item upgrades mean very little. You don't get nearly as much character power from those item upgrades as you do from the cloak. It is funny because people are completely bitching about the entirely wrong thing. They could make item upgrades cost 1 bronze and it wouldn't be the big advantage you think it is. There are plenty of easy ways to farm bronze to be honest.
@@MaethorDerien ???? everything scales with the item level, the sockets, the tinker gems, everything, tf you mean upgrades to little?
@@MaethorDerien go put ur item in the upgrade and put it to max ilvl, then come back and tell me the cloak matters
yeah, it'll take forever at the rate of bronze, kinda the idea i think, we're beta testers for a mobile game, not doing the event for fun
thanks for explaining this. I am still level 30 doing quest so I can buy transmogs i was too lazy to reform in retail.
Blizz dont care the players who wants to collect everything imo ,if u want to collect everything work 8 hours a day for 90 days , this is fun from blizz perspective
it wasn't the bronze or the coins that the frogs were dropping that people were farming for, it was the threads. and people are not upset about others farming the frogs to get a week or 2 advantage, but that bliz nerfed the frog drops.
Not to mention players who abused farms like this early are able to solo raid content and farm even more absurd bronze/hour as a result. ua-cam.com/video/w3-Hz1VqO_I/v-deo.html
Nerfing frogs only keeps the people who didnt abuse them out of the loop while people who did abuse them can just move onto soloing raids and continue getting crazy power spikes/threads/bronze.
I just got the best of both worlds... I did the frogs for overall maybe 6 hours before they nerfed it. I did not know about turning in the lesser coins for a box... and they just buffed the box's xD
Let everyone do it or no one. We can't just let the few "lucky" ones get away with it.
I've just been casually running with my prot warrior and so far loving it. Hit 60 today, looking forward to raiding something harder than LFR :)
sorry to brake it to you but all the lfg groups are just ward cheeseing every boss becasue there is at least one frog andy in every group
Its also absolute ridicoulus that you cant do szenarios and dungeons in a cross faction group.
Why the hell blizz just didnt give back some max cap....
if that frog farm is considered an exploit how about some repercussions? Continue to reward people for exploiting only makes people look for exploits asap and abuse it while you can because at the end of the day, you have everything to gain and nothing to lose
The fact they nerfed it and wont revert the others show blizz is not only bad at game design but lazy
im having a shit ton of fun idk lol. Feel like ppl look at others way too much and get upset. Theres been some raids/duungeons where some frog farmer is goin' dummy but it didnt bother me. And I just create my own raids and invite whoever, got through heroics and normals with "regular people" just fine.
Where pandaria gladiator mounts? They clearly have the attitude of nothing >10 years ago matters. Years of farming work destroyed anyway with this event.
Yeah I tanked a heroic dungeon and an auto took HALF my health. i use mits, I don’t stand on shit it’s literally impossible to do heroic like that
i'm maxed out on gearing, still can't do heroics, it's broken
I didn't know about frog farming, I got my mount and my transmogs I wanted. I deleted my MOP remix characters never to look back.
you know..if I was those who exploited..I wouldnt go and complain that it got nerfed..blizz is well known to punish harshly those who complain about exploit being fixed, they also forget exchanging lesser charm of good fortune for bronze create a transaction log that can be tracked..and could earn them a 3 month ban..you know..the duration of remix..they should be quiet and not brag about it really...
Also, since this weekly reset, the scalling seems to have adjusted itself as my lvl 70 with just 346 ilvl is no longer getting one shotted by trash in heroic dungeon..
Fun for some. Not for all.
I kind of think the people that exploited the frogs kind of ruined the fun for themselves. But at the same time, I am not sure how much fun it will be after 70 since scaling is pretty rough. I really hope blizzard fix this soon so people that play as intended can somewhat enjoy the experience. It has some decent potential to be a lot of fun for sure. Just needs work as of now.
Lol they should just check pibbot's kill counter on the frogs, and compare it with every other player's frog kill count, then send everyone X number of frog's loot until their frog count is the same as pibbot's :D lol then nobody will be underpowered or overpowered, it will just be like starting over
Love how all you sore losers are calling the frogs an “exploit” these frogs have been around since mop and were farmed and it was never nerfed etc blizzard knew about it and they didnt change anything lol, in a mode where everything is supposed to be op and broken how come some losers can name whats an exploit and what isnt at will? I could say the secrets of ragefire instance is full of exploiters if people use the rocket boots to one shot everything…
frogs should never have been nerfed tbh since they fucked up the only way they should have done it if they chose to nerf then abusers of the frogs get ether banned or the power and bronze etc removed from them or just leave it as is
Blizzard should have let frog farms be since the remix is just self contained mode for few weeks. They should have just let everyone go balls to the wall if they want, since its almost only for cosmetics etc.
Pearlfin Jinyu rep is broken too, hope they fix that..
the bronze problem can be fixed by massively decreasing the cost of the item upgrades and cosmetics - bronze is pointless once you have everything.
the cloak is uncapped so any frog farmers will only get more powerful no matter what blizzard do to make that better for the rest of us - theres no way to kill that gap, the farmers will always be that much more powerful (to the point where they can solo anything but get nothing from it as they have everything) - but at least the rest of us can get strong enough to counter the scaling issue (until thats resolved) and get our stuff
This is what happens when Blizzard splits the dev team into 5 different versions of the game (7 if you count plunderstorm and both retail and new retail expansion). They will all suck and wont have enough devs to make any one of them good. What a joke of a company Blizzard has become.
Just leave this farm, i don't get it, it's removed now when some players are weeks ahead, boost bronze drop? Sry to break it down for you, but players who did frog farm will benefit from those aswell....
Can't wait for cataclysm exploit!
I’m sorry but if anyone feel they aren’t overpowered in MoP Remix, they’re just bad at the game.
It’s okay you might be good at other things but this one ain’t it.
Guys. Every patch, every expansion, there will be something not working as intended. Instead of leaving to let everyone benefit, blizzard will nerf it and leave the ones who benefited from the exploits alone. It has happened over and over and over again. The only time I’ve ever seen them take action is in legion for the elite infernal exploit.
I really don’t care that much about the gear, I’m just after the mounts and that’s it for this event. But would be great to get that burst from the frogs
WORST EVENT EVER NO RESPONSIBILITY they just tried to bring people back who gave break in fated season THEY NEED TO RESCALE EVERYONE CLOAK AGAIN
I'm not playing again until they roll back the cloaks to at least the highest level that was achieved without killing any frogs. Either that or delete any characters that exploited.
This just hurts blizzard in a whole either way people will be unhappy and blizzard really didn’t know this ????? Really ???
I’m gonna get the skins I need and then leave Remix. Hope everyone do this so Blizzard sees how wrong they are.
I wont lie, all of these "game modes" are really putting me off. I appreciate their willingness to try new things, but its an MMO. Work on retail or classic.
These rehashed game modes have some fun ideas, but overall they just feel like cheap, unpolished gimmicks.
So this game mode is dead already, shame.
I wasn't playing it to grind forever like wow fortnite plundershit, I barely have time to do shit in retail for season 4.
sounds like a scream to keep players paying
They could also just prolong the event, to give collectors more time to grind bronze. Nerfs like "Oops, we didn't realize this gun was loaded, sorry!" that's Blizzard's signature move. No surprise there, really. We're complaining that our cheating girlfriend of 20 years just cheated on us again - that's to be expected. But that, COMBINED with the other factors, talk about how to ruin a good party in a spectacular way!
They are about to be angry again cause they are nerfing those gains.
Yeah i thought the cloak was going to transfer to the alts... Its not a lot but I even farmed XP after i hit 70 and the XP threads you get after 70 go to your bags but are soulbound not account bound.... CMON.... I had fun levelling my character to 70 but I tanked a dungeon at level 69, to ding in the dungeon, and get one-shotted by the first mob in the dungeon... You can imagine how THE REST of the dungeon went... After people voted to kick me out of the group left, and we got new people in, I did ding 70 in the dungeon, but i wasnt smiling about it....
I literally dont even want to play the remix anymore
From what I've heard, after reset tomorrow, those who exploited the frog farm will be set back.
Source?
Take your hunter and tag frogs before groups do.
this is why anyone farming anything creates groups of 3 or 4, not 5
Why? They don't drop shit.
This is legit making me think about quitting even retail. Blizzard is really ruining all player experiences. Who are they catering to at this point ??
Quit whining, how can you pretend to like something if you wanna ragequit because they removed an exploit. I'll farm slow and steady and wont go whining on every yt video about the topic
this is why i didn't want classic wow, we are now seeing the consequences of blizz making retail compete with classic and making self inflicted sabatoge to keep retail popular
streamers and sweaty chads
they really shouldnt have used bronze for gear upgrades and unlockables. It feels fuckin awful and if you dont have a ton of time to dump into the event it basically means you have to choose between being able to participate in any end game content or getting the rewards you want
getting all 32 mounts, then i'm deleting and going back to retail
I've not played much since hitting 70. Normal content gives shit all. Heroic content I get one shot by unavoidable AoE and hit like a wet rag. It's just no fun, which takes away the whole point of this game mode.
Bring back the frogs
Decrease all thread rewards from frogs retroactivly but let them keep the bronze maybe?
No, remove the bronze too.
I just had to delete and restore my toon because I logged in and all my gear was gone lmao
Make the farm irrelevant by reducing costs.
increase bronze, decrease cost, and the frogs will be left alone
kek he removed guzu