You are not growing as a software engineer
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
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Not everyone is fortunate to have a mentor or even a good manager. Most of the time, one gets an A hole manager.
Honestly if you have an A hole manager, then change jobs/teams.
This is one thing that I don't see mentioned, which is making sure that you are on a team with growth opportunities. The opportunities can vary wildly from team to team, project to project.
I think getting a bad mentor or manager is very uncommon to rare.
A manager isn't going to want the people under them to perform poorly because that actually implies the management is also bad.
Sometimes managers are overworked or overstressed and can see short or an ahole, but that's a symptom of an overall bigger issue which can affect you as well.
I agree that the bad manager is rare as well. What's more common is being in a role where the opportunities may not align with the ladder and would take longer to grow. Consider how a backend and frontend devs careers can be entirely different. The backend engineer may spend most of their time with engineers and be able to use their feedback in the promo process. While the front end engineer may need to spend a majority of their time working with PMs, UX designers, UX researchers, etc. Depending on how the company ladder is set up (especially if both have the same ladder), and who your reviewers are (i.e. I have had jobs doing front end work while being reviewed primarily by backend engineers) it can affect your changes for promotion.
Or you could be working at company X where people can generally promoted faster than at company Y. Some research on blind or talking to your friends in the industry can reveal some of those patterns.
TLDR some paths are faster than others. And picking a good path is part of the process
In my experience at least, most of the time, I get good managers. Or even if my vision does not align fully with theirs, I see they are more experienced than me in some aspects of the work and I try to learn about this.
It helps me to think about it that way « what knowledge have the acquired over time that I could learn from. » or also « what attitude do they portray that I should try to emulate over time ? »
I did get an asshole manager once, that was highly confrontational with everyone and crushed others to appear good before the management, for me it was the signal to look elsewhere. But that happened once in almost 10 years.
I have been a software engineer for about a decade and in that time went from about 40k a year to 200k a year. The key to growth is to not stay in a single company for more than a couple of years. You are less likely to move up the chain than if you just went for a higher level position somewhere else. I worked for 6 companies in a 10 year period not including consultancy contracts and freelance work. The more exposure you have to new stacks and new ways of working the better. You should not just quit jobs for the sake of it, but stay until you feel too comfortable and unchallenged. You WANT to feel like an imposter and you want have the fear that you could be fired any moment because you can't cut it. That is really where growth comes. Soon people will come to you for expertise.
Wow you put into words exactly how I feel at this moment, overwhelmed and stressed too… the struggle I face now is being pushed to be a team lead but that will cut development time in half to do planning and non engineering tasks when all I really want and feel is best is continue as a developer and not a lead.
Would you say it's a good idea to move in order to get a promotion (like junior to mid, mid to senior) or not necessarily?
@@kristiyanivanov7414 Certain areas pay more, thats for sure but this is not as much the case today as the talent pool has been spread geographically due to remote working. So talent scarcity is not so much a driving factor as before. However, I would recommend switching countries if your current country doesn't have much of a tech industry. In my company, we pay an agency for multiple devs from India and their salary probably equates to minimum wage over here. I don't know exactly what the Agency pays their devs but it could even be below UK minimum wage. Compare that to a UK based contractor who gets paid £500-£600 per day and there is a huge benefit to being UK based.
@@rickypaynetube Kinda the same thing, we guys would get close to the minimum wage/salary for the same work they do in the USA, if not below for Juniors and Interns. Eastern labor is cheaper.
Well I have the same trajectory and I stayed at the same company. I was the first engineer though, that helps. At the same time I was challenged by the potential (or effective) hire of external devs with more seniority the whole time. Imo the key to success within a single company is:
- the company must grow at a rapid pace (i mean, why would you stay if you want to grow, otherwise).
- you must keep the trust of the founders all along.
- If you lose it and they hire some external dev to the job you wanted, give yourself a year, and try to prove them that you're worth it.
- Don't just think about the next skills you need, think about those you will need to grow after that as well.
- Keep learning at all times.
- Don't ask if you can do something, do it. It's risky but this way you can prove your worth even if people didn't assign anything to you. That's essential.
You are my favorite developer channel on YT. I really appreciate the focus on helping developers move further toward mastery over their craft and career, rather than low effort "should you learn X language in 2022" type of content.
I am in the same boat as you with complacency. I have gotten to the point where I am a senior level developer where there is no growth above the level where I am at the company I am currently with. But I feel like I have so much to offer in terms of experience and also guiding and teaching newer developers. I am for lack of a better term... bored. This is inspiring me to look inward and see what I have to offer and what I should offer. So thank you. This was very insightful.
I've also grown by leaving companies that were almost hostile to significant growth. Companies where there is established "royalty" seem the most uninterested in unlocking the potential of others who did not enter the company as a "queen/king" already.
I can actually relate to this so much, I have gotten too comfortable at my job over the last few years. So, I have revamped my resume and I am applying to new jobs everyday and giving interviews(haven't done that in 3 years). It is terrifying but I know its for the better! This was a timely watch, gave me some confidence, thanks Utsav!
Good luck!
exactly what I'm doing right now, good luck!
I can't agree more! I was lucky enough to get promoted from intern to graduate trainee to an Infra & Devops Engineer in a year. Curiosity, asking questions and investing in myself really helped a lot! Whenever I'm free I always try out some new projects or learn some of the latest tools in the devops circle. Besides helping new developers, having a UA-cam channel also helps me showcase my skills to employers.
I wish I could smash that like button more than once so you could see how many times I was in complete agreement with everything you said. I needed this video today more than you know. I have been a software engineer level 1 for two+ years and some of the things you said today I just started to work on and some of the things I have been working on. I have a goal at work to move into a mid level software engineer this year. Thank you sooo much for this!
These are good advices. A SE that shows that he wants to take more, gets more implicated will get more time or feedback in return. Being there with his team, help the team to find ways to take on new challenges instead of putting the breaks on will get the attention of managers and start a more active feedback loop. A manager cannot be close to everyone equally, pulling on him with solutions will get things started. Also, what took me time to understand as a SE, naming a problem once is not enough, come back regularly with it and with solutions or else it will be buried under the other priorities.
Utsav, this was a great video! I can say that in my current position every point here is noteworthy and what I have noticed in my growth because I am still hungry in my growth phase. This is a great video from juniors to seniors!
This advice are pure gold, thanks for always sharing your experiences Utsav!
Great video. I'm coming to Seattle this summer for an internship. Would be great if I get a chance to meet you and get some valuable guidance!
Thanks Utsav ! This is useful info!! Much appreciated
100% agreed. Another TIP: Don't just assume a person / manager is going to help you grow (as a mentor). What can be better is ASKING someone to help you, and to be your mentor. That "someone" must be someone you can learn from / talk to well enough. Manager may not want / be capable of mentoring you. The structure (bi-weekly meeting, 30 minutes, summarize success and challenges then ask for feedback, as the mentee?) and role-playing (committing to mentoring another person, as a mentor) are critical to having a successful mentee mentor relationship!
Thanks
Wow you had unbelievable career growth in such a short time! Clearly you had quite real growth as well which gave you the confidence to tackle your new roles.
I 100% agree with your mentorship point, mentors are powerful, and I'm actually looking for that myself right now.
I really appreciate you making a video like this, I learned a ton from it
I am here exactly on this phase now. very informative, thank you!
Utsav, I greatly appreciate your content. I can honestly say your videos helped me get my first SWE job and grow in it daily. Thank you!
Great video!!! 👍🏼 where can I find the articles about tech solutions that you mention in 7:38 min?
Company engineering blogs
Thanks Utsav for the video. As a software engineer just starting my career, these tips are really helpful. Hope I learn something everyday and grow.
Well said. Thank you!
What are some core concepts you suggest learning for entry/internship level SE? I feel veryyyyy underprepared for my upcoming internship. We learn all these concepts in school but then i feel like some of them may not be relevant or they are things i mostly forgot already because i dont touch those areas again after the class. Especially not having experience with the languages and platforms that the company will use. Will i just have to suck it up and try to learn as much as i can when I get to the job?
I'm a Linux System Admin, but I still got a lot of helpful tips from this video. Thanks, Ustav!
Would enjoy more distributed systems content!
Thank you. This was really insightful as someone who just completed 1st year out of college.
How and where do I find a mentor? How do I go on about finding one? Please make a video on that!
That's really useful and practical tips, thank you for the video.
This.
As others have said having a good manager that helps push you is almost impossible to find. I won’t go into examples cause everyone has had one. Mentors are about asking for them from others at work. But sometimes the competition makes them not want to help. Culture. Another issue I have seen is asking questions. Again manager issues. Mine would find it annoying the number of questions. Took it as questioning his authority. Similarly they don’t want coding outside the office. As they want you working more than 40 hours. So while I agree these are important some you don’t get to choose. It’s a culture and manager issue. Sometimes leaving is the only option.
Thanks for your video, you mentioned following technical publications would you consider sharing ideas on how to continuously gather relevant technical publications, ie how do you find the important ones in the sea of daily publications?
Thanks for all your videos
Following.
I see a ST custom guitar back there! Sweeet!
Very informative video. All the points are important and it will be helpful to the junior engineers.
Thank you for the video. Can you suggest how to do pair programming online?
Hello Mr Utsav...I have a question for you. I want to switch to IT field from tourism as you know recent pandemic was a disaster so if you can help me to find point start however I love coding and programming look forward to hear from you soon. Thanks &Regards
Hi sir, I am 2021 batch passout joined an MNC with 2 years of service agreement few months back. I got assigned to the production support project and not getting release from the project.I willingly want to work as a software developer.What steps would you recommend for me?
If you have any recommendations for coding for coding interviews, that would be great. I have no problems identifying different algorithms/data structures and can come up with higher level ideas/solution ideas but coming up the code for it is much harder. I've noticed this a lot with people from my background (theoretical/math heavy education and I got into a very niche field like Machine Learning very early into my career). I feel as though my skills when it comes to traditional Software Engineering are very far behind my ML abilities. Since the start of my professional career, I have only worked in Machine Learning, so sometimes the coding up the more normal software Leetcode style is hard for me
First of all, leetcode is not normal software. It can be, but in many cases the optimal solution is not the same as what you would write on the job.
Secondly, learning to code for coding interviews really is just about doing coding interview questions on platforms like leetcode. Most people find them difficult to start with. Just start with easy difficulty problems to begin with. Figure out where you're deficient, fix up your weakness and then try again a bit later. Eventually you'll get good enough that you can easily figure out and answer questions even in a high pressure environment like an interview.
Thank you so much for this video sir. It's truly a unique privilege to learn from your many years of experience😊
While it is true people should ask questions to learn and to do some teamworking, one should not abuse it as it will come across as the guy who seems to know very little, and people will look down on you for it. This also hits the collaboration tip as if you ask to work with others managers usually see you as a people that can't do anything alone, and as i support pair programming, ive never done it cuz managers see it as paying the double for the same code.
My story is different. I was lucky enough to start at a fintech B2B startup in 2014, promoted as senior developer within 3 years, the company got acquired by bigger fish 2 years ago and have been working as lead developer since then. My salary is comfortable (not a lot like 200k+ in FAANG), work life balance has never been better and plenty of time to relax. But I know that I am NOT GROWING. My day to day job is boring; dealing with maintenance programming, don't fix if it ain't broken stuffs, slow moving releases, sale driven bureaucratic corporate culture, etc. I don’t know how many developers out there are like me but I know my coworkers are in the same situation. No one leave and we all stuck together. I wish I get a good mentor and opportunity to growth like you had. But at the same time, I feel like life is pre-scripted for each of us. Whether you are Elon Musk, or an engineer worked at Microsoft or CS student trying to survive in Ukraine war, there is only so much you can control. You just have to keep playing your role.
You're contradicting yourself, perhaps you need some clarity. It isn't should be what others have or want, it should be what you want and are you willing to work and take that risk for that.
Possibly the last sentence is why you feel like you aren’t progressing. If that is your mindset then you have no incentive to change things. It is ok to just go with the flow sometimes, when you have other things in your life going on, but eventually you need to push for something different. Change can be extremely refreshing. Only you can change your own situation. No one will do it for you (unless you get laid off and are forced to change things up).
thank you for these videos, it really helps a lot, every part of the vid is helpful, and it feels honest , thank you
I actually have this dilemma where I feel like I can either spend time working on personal projects or learning new topics. It's a tricky balance, but I think there are opportunities to compromise.
It's also tough to decide what to learn next. Often I will just jump into a topic because I am interested in it. I'll watch courses on Pluralsight, read about it, etc. but then I won't have an immediate need for it. This is actually ok with me because sometimes months or years later it is useful for me to have some basic knowledge in the area. At this point, I can choose to deep dive if I need to know more.
Why not try to create a personal project using new topics that youre learning? I really like taking on a project using entirely new tools that im unfamilar with.
Good stuff. Authentic. 🤘🏻
I'm curious what happens if your team happens to clear the backlog at your company. There isn't much to work on and you are not being assigned work anymore since everything is completed. You do look for more work but can't seem to find it. Is this normal for most companies? I've noticed whenever I sign on to a company after a year or so things start to slow down. Usually, I'm in the same boat where I want to grow my skills and learn new things and usually starting with a new company means new work and learning different tech (like hadoop or apache kafka) within a similar tech stack which mine is Java and Angular.
Thanks you so much for making great content!
Only a couple of days back I was wondering I ain't seeing your videos in the feed and boom.
Super interesting video, thanks for this. Gotta ask - is that guitar in the background a Strandberg? Very jealous lol
It’s not, it’s a custom made headless guitar though :)
Just discovered your content from notion, and wanna say that I love your energy! :)
You infoinspire me to push myself to be software engineer, thanks man ❤
Thank you utsav. Just received an eye opening feedback from my manager. Looking for ways to become a better engineer and came across your content.
Every Software Engineer must watch this. even the aspiring ones.
base in your advice its all right 👏 bravo
Wish I can have a mentor like you have.
How would you know?
Hey Utsav,
Big fan of your channel - watched multiple videos and this one was the best one personally - thank you so much for the insightful content shared in a delightful way! 👍
Could you please suggest any system design course for experience software developer?
What company is besti for internship man, im from Philippines my dream is to work on a big tech company but im still working on my English soft skill ?
Practical and inspiring content. Thanks.
How can i as a developper develop my softs kills (customer relationship management , time management , convincing customers ) while i am working in an isolated closed department
Thank you. Again a great piece of content.
I the other issue is there's a lot of IT positions that get mislabeled as a Software Engineer when it's just an IT job and alot of people abuse the title of "Engineer"
Thanks for sharing your experience 💙
Great advices. I feel lucky when I got this video
Very nice, thank you.
Which monitor is that?
kudos brother.
How a second year computer engineering student can have a good mentor?
and most important, if there is no mentor available for some reasons, how can this student mentor himself or at least draw a good roadmap to improve his skills?
Thanks!
Utsav, how can I contact you? I need a mentor to growth in my career.
This channel is becoming a gold mine.
"As I help you grow, it helps me grow as well". Wow this one hit! Wrote this down immediately.
Which has more promising future software engineer or data scientist? Please give me answer
Thank you
Perfect!
Love the video very inspirational 🤓🤓 you earned my sub 😀😀
Where do you work? looking forward to the updated day in the life.
2 decades is 20 years right?
Thanks sir
This content is immensely valuable!
I think u r my mentor.thank you for your valuable advices
All valid points but the most important is to: Step out of your comfort zone!!!!!
Thank you
I agree 💯
Ty
Amazingly accurate, terse and "human" advice 👌
I'm in my first job as a front developer for the last 4 months, I don't have a mentor neither a project I feel stuck.
2012 is only one decade ago.
Soooo...
1. Get lucky finding someone that cares enough to properly show you what to do.
2. You don't know what you don't know.
3. Work more than 40 hours a week like a good code monkey.
4. Don't hesitate to reach out. (This was actually really solid advice)
5. Don't be afraid of new. (Again, good advice)
Work smart and out of interest. Not sure where you got rest from.
This is one of the greatest channel I have ever subscribed to
I am trying to expand my knowledge as a software engineer and need a mentor to push me along the way. Could anyone please help me?
Unfortunately, there is a lot of luck involved here. When i started my career I had my managers changes every year giving me no chance to create long lasting bonds or learnings.
Interesting.. I got my first SE job at 2008.. and was trying to fight the glass ceiling of company I really liked, all the way to 2016. Then gave up, went freelance, and started growing. I know exactly what you mean by this video.
Do you now earn more than the SE job would be paying now tho?
1 feedback - please keep the ads/ad banner for the end, it kills the flow :)
What app are you using for the notes at the ua-cam.com/video/jk5eOB71sRM/v-deo.html mark?
because you have high level knowledge and master skill motivated speech. all people aroun you will follow 😅
First comment again yeah, getting up very early before work to study some coding does work, surely another great video.
I started my career 3 years ago and have already worked for 3 companies. I worry that I'm not learning quickly enough, and my salary isn't growing as fast as I'd like. But maybe I just need to slow down a bit and stop worrying.
Most companies don't really have these mentors or even people with this level of knowledge. Where do you suggest regular folks find such people ?
Why would you want more responsabilities ? I want to remain junior forever.
Money
@@alefyadhrolia6578 As a programmer you already have a salary above 90% of population. What more money ? Is not worth the stress.
Depends on which geography you are in. Not same for all
We don't even have performance reviews :)
HEllo dai hajur tah Nepali po ho hai , mah tah aate inspire bhako xu hajur bata hai dai
Great video
great video
I will find you and I will make you my mentor 😄
Your advices are really pure gold