Wish I could get that tubes adapter with the tigres inserts and the new spiritus wings in one thing together. AXL is pretty tight with them, they should collab on that.
interesting, wondering if that tubes buckle would interfere with the Airlite Radio Pouch. saw a few tubes conversions for the spc but they usually put tubes buckle on the outside
I wish I knew about this when I bought my SPC. That method of tying it onto the rear plate bag is something I wish I had (I had to install my AirLite cummerbund by myself; worst hour of my life).
Hey I am thinking about getting for my spc plate carrier, do I add the 4 male tube adapter w/ the spc tube adapter when I order it on axl advance website?
If I was to look for a replacement cummerbund for a LV119 to use in conjunction with side plates, are these an upgrade compared to the three band skeletal?
@@EODFish I prob wouldn't run internal raido as I'm not at a point I run comms(YET), but I def want to get side plates. Pretty sure I'm a large in the SPC. Guessing I'll need the large Equinox then.
I’m a size medium in the cummerbund but I want to run side plates from Hesco they’re .93 inches thick, do you think I should go with the large cummerbund ?
thoughts on running the AXL CB on a JPC? - im guessing it would help w/ weight dis. throughout but how effective are those tubes with that weight transfer, FS tubes dont seem sturdy enough to handle too much lbs until it fails
@@EODFish ahh - your mentioning the ASC adaptor, then tie in the AXL CB in addition to the SPC adaptor for the JPC - thats a pretty penny for the CB together with a JPC, seems almost logical to get a FS V3 Strandhogg
@@EODFish prob just going with the FS strandhogg V3, was hoping to pull the trigger on the JPC but practically I feel suits the latter. Thanks again for your input, big supporter of your reviews and perspective on relative gear
I m looking for my first carrier. I am leaning towards the crye spc with axl cumberbund or the Igilite k-19 but I am worried about the buckle in the shoulder pocket. Can you give me some direction.
Not even a question. Get the SPC. Crye is proper kit, Agilite isn't. Go find guys who wear kit for a living and see what they're using. Bet you'd be hard pressed to find any wearing a K19, whereas a lot of them wear Crye. There's a reason for that.
Given your comments on sizing up I am wondering how big you are ? I am a maximum waist size in jeans is 34" waist size due to lack of fitness post lock down. Should I still size up to large?
My side plates are basically touching the front platebag on my SPC; would this still be possible with the AXL setup? Also, I prefer threading the bottom rows of both sides of my SPC cummerbund through both bottom loops on the rear platebag. Would I still be able to do that with the AXL cummerbund?
You could get your side plates very close to the front bag, it just depends how they mount. As for the rear loops, mine was too small to pull that off but I’m not sure how it would work if I got a longer one.
Something alot of people oversee: the JPC2 and SPC both have little loops at the front plate bag. if you rotate your side plates 90 degrees you can just molle loop them into the actual front plate. so no matter what Cummerbund or how you have it sized the plates always sit right. if its not an Option the SPiritus side plates acoomendate for a tube at the front
You're gonna need something with offset molle mounts on the side platebag that's found on the spiritus side plate bags. I have the crye side plate bags as well and with the tube and tegris capture on the buckle forming a sort of ramp, there's too much thickness at the tube to use a standard plate bag like the crye jpc side plate bag. With the spiritus plate bag, it just curves inward since there isnt a mounting point at that end and I can get the side plate right on the front plate. Let me know if anything is unclear, it's hard to describe it without pictures.
sizing is confusing, Not sure what this means S/M cummerbund is 11 MOLLE channels (17.5" long) L/XL cummerbund is 14 MOLLE channels (22" long) Iam 6' 200 lbs 35-36 waisr Can you help thanks again for another good video. Michael
i still dont see how the SPC little front Slot and piece on the Cummerbund do Literally anything at all. the ferro concepts 3AC cummerbund has a Tegris sheet in it and its super rigid. the piece extends under the front velcro giving you the exact same kind of Load bearing structure as the Odd SPC system. (not regarding this tube version. strictly talking the Crye SPC cummerbund) overall seems like a gimmic or something that should have been at Shot show 2018 or something. the Equinox looks great. i wonder how it is on a AVS with a axl micro harness and Crye Yote instead of an Harness. id imagine its still less comfortable than just a harness and a 1 or 2 band on top but you get the Tubes. i run an AVS harness with a 1 band that has a ITW buckle on one side. acting like a Tube. also for your SPC you could probably move the cummerbund up 1 row at the back so you got more size and then just run the Axl adapters not upside down and the plates will sit right. just an idea
The SPC system works significantly better than the 3AC in my opinion. Those tabs are super far from a gimmick and give you a better performing “harness” functionality than the more bulky Ferro option.
@@EODFish but what difference is there? there isnt more movement or strechability is there? to me it looks like both 3AC and SPC Cummerbund have a layer of tegris so i cant imagine being that big of a difference. although while i really liked the FCPCs comfort a buddy found that he doesnt like it at all. so prolly just different body shapes. You had Both so i trust what you say on it. Just thinking loud here.
@@Nick-hm9rh The difference is a more secure and stronger fit. By having the tabs go into the plate bags, you're providing more support where the cummerbund meets the plate bag, therefore making it hold weight better.
Two things: 2-band cummerbunds don’t allow you to raise the plates higher, the Crye SPC specifically has extra lower slots that you put the cummerbund into to get the raising effect. It would work with a 3-band the same way. Next. You need to redact what you said about the sizing of the cummerbund before you make people waste their money. The cummerbund is enormous just like the stock SPC cummerbund. I dunno what you were talking about when trying to put this info out, but it is blatantly incorrect information that will make people waste their money
No on both accounts. Two bands do allow you to raise the bag because you can mount it low in the back and high to the top of the placard in front, that isn’t possible with a three band. Having talked to Crye designers, my stance on the length stays the same.
@@EODFish a two band makes zero different on a JPC because it doesn’t have the lower cummerbund slots like a SPC has. If there was a rigid 3-band cummerbund it would have exactly the same effect on a SPC/Shaw ARC. It’s about having extra slots
@@EODFish 2x the price of the stock cummerbund - $85 vs $185 for the Axl cummerbund and adapter. Do tubes provide any advantage besides easier / faster donning and doffing?
anyone know any FS tubes structural cummerbunds that are NOT 2 band? upgrading a duty carrier with these 2 band meme cummerbunds is pointless because I will have pouches and soft armor mounted on to them that are taller than that anyways, so half of said pouches and armor end up dangling about without support.
There really isn’t much that isn’t adequately supported on a good structured 2-band. I like that it forces you to look at where you want the height of the pouch to ride.
@@EODFish My issue is any GP/radio/magpouch that is higher than two rows will dangle about because of the lever caused by a long pouch and only two rows of molle engagement.
Wish I could get that tubes adapter with the tigres inserts and the new spiritus wings in one thing together. AXL is pretty tight with them, they should collab on that.
Not a bad idea at all.
interesting, wondering if that tubes buckle would interfere with the Airlite Radio Pouch. saw a few tubes conversions for the spc but they usually put tubes buckle on the outside
It shouldn’t, I probably wouldn’t run that setup over anything less than a commercial grade radio though.
I wish I knew about this when I bought my SPC. That method of tying it onto the rear plate bag is something I wish I had (I had to install my AirLite cummerbund by myself; worst hour of my life).
Worst hour of your life so far.
An hour? It's literally the same process as lacing shoes. Have you never laced shoes before?
Love the reviews, just picked one up today. looking forward to putting this on my kit.
Hey I am thinking about getting for my spc plate carrier, do I add the 4 male tube adapter w/ the spc tube adapter when I order it on axl advance website?
If I was to look for a replacement cummerbund for a LV119 to use in conjunction with side plates, are these an upgrade compared to the three band skeletal?
Absolutely. They pair with AVS pouches readily.
Really happy with this upgrade to my SPC.
I may have missed it in the video but what size SPC is that? Looking to get the cummberbund from Axl not sure if I need a medium or a large.
I’m a pretty average size dude. Almost regardless of builder I have to step up to large to get internal radios and side plates.
@@EODFish I prob wouldn't run internal raido as I'm not at a point I run comms(YET), but I def want to get side plates. Pretty sure I'm a large in the SPC. Guessing I'll need the large Equinox then.
Did you end up running side plates with a large Equinox? How’s the set up fit
I’m a size medium in the cummerbund but I want to run side plates from Hesco they’re .93 inches thick, do you think I should go with the large cummerbund ?
thoughts on running the AXL CB on a JPC? - im guessing it would help w/ weight dis. throughout but how effective are those tubes with that weight transfer, FS tubes dont seem sturdy enough to handle too much lbs until it fails
I have no concerns about the durability or strength of tubes. I would recommend looking into the SPC adaptor and VXV SPC conversion though.
@@EODFish ahh - your mentioning the ASC adaptor, then tie in the AXL CB in addition to the SPC adaptor for the JPC - thats a pretty penny for the CB together with a JPC, seems almost logical to get a FS V3 Strandhogg
It’s needed to make the cummerbund shine though. A structured cummerbund with no anchor doesn’t make a ton of sense.
@@EODFish prob just going with the FS strandhogg V3, was hoping to pull the trigger on the JPC but practically I feel suits the latter. Thanks again for your input, big supporter of your reviews and perspective on relative gear
Thanks dude. I’ll have to look at some new Gen FS.
I m looking for my first carrier. I am leaning towards the crye spc with axl cumberbund or the Igilite k-19 but I am worried about the buckle in the shoulder pocket. Can you give me some direction.
Lots of people swear by the comfort of the K-19 but the fact that I don’t have one should be a clue as to my thoughts on that setup.
@@EODFish I think I’m on the same page
Not even a question. Get the SPC. Crye is proper kit, Agilite isn't. Go find guys who wear kit for a living and see what they're using. Bet you'd be hard pressed to find any wearing a K19, whereas a lot of them wear Crye. There's a reason for that.
@@charlieghague I just ordered spc thank you
Given your comments on sizing up I am wondering how big you are ? I am a maximum waist size in jeans is 34" waist size due to lack of fitness post lock down. Should I still size up to large?
Nah you are probably good. I’m a chunky 34”.
this thing is awesome got one rocking on my arid lv119
Do you think this would mesh well with the Shaw carriers?
My side plates are basically touching the front platebag on my SPC; would this still be possible with the AXL setup? Also, I prefer threading the bottom rows of both sides of my SPC cummerbund through both bottom loops on the rear platebag. Would I still be able to do that with the AXL cummerbund?
You could get your side plates very close to the front bag, it just depends how they mount. As for the rear loops, mine was too small to pull that off but I’m not sure how it would work if I got a longer one.
Something alot of people oversee:
the JPC2 and SPC both have little loops at the front plate bag. if you rotate your side plates 90 degrees you can just molle loop them into the actual front plate. so no matter what Cummerbund or how you have it sized the plates always sit right.
if its not an Option the SPiritus side plates acoomendate for a tube at the front
@@EODFish When you get the longer AXL cummerbund in, could you make a brief video about its compatibility with the rear loops?
You're gonna need something with offset molle mounts on the side platebag that's found on the spiritus side plate bags. I have the crye side plate bags as well and with the tube and tegris capture on the buckle forming a sort of ramp, there's too much thickness at the tube to use a standard plate bag like the crye jpc side plate bag. With the spiritus plate bag, it just curves inward since there isnt a mounting point at that end and I can get the side plate right on the front plate. Let me know if anything is unclear, it's hard to describe it without pictures.
@@PTafterdark Your explanation was very clear, thank you!
sizing is confusing, Not sure what this means
S/M cummerbund is 11 MOLLE channels (17.5" long)
L/XL cummerbund is 14 MOLLE channels (22" long)
Iam 6' 200 lbs 35-36 waisr
Can you help
thanks again for another good video.
Michael
I’d get the large, especially if you want anything internal to the cummerbund. If you get the large and hate it, I’ll send you my medium.
@@EODFish what carrier would you buy? K-19 or spc- jpc 2.0
How well does this mount on a LV-119 using the holes instead of molle?
Interested too
daddy fish, you can't look weird to anyone. esp to us
Hey there best reviewer ever… what dangler is that?
Arbor arms
@@EODFish thanks for not telling me to watch all your videos and fitfo…
@@andrewmcgaha9629 I’m not nearly big enough for that. Next TDY I promise I’ll organize these in playlists.
great video! thanks
what dangler is that?
Arbor arms
i still dont see how the SPC little front Slot and piece on the Cummerbund do Literally anything at all.
the ferro concepts 3AC cummerbund has a Tegris sheet in it and its super rigid. the piece extends under the front velcro giving you the exact same kind of Load bearing structure as the Odd SPC system. (not regarding this tube version. strictly talking the Crye SPC cummerbund)
overall seems like a gimmic or something that should have been at Shot show 2018 or something.
the Equinox looks great. i wonder how it is on a AVS with a axl micro harness and Crye Yote instead of an Harness.
id imagine its still less comfortable than just a harness and a 1 or 2 band on top but you get the Tubes.
i run an AVS harness with a 1 band that has a ITW buckle on one side. acting like a Tube.
also for your SPC you could probably move the cummerbund up 1 row at the back so you got more size and then just run the Axl adapters not upside down and the plates will sit right.
just an idea
The SPC system works significantly better than the 3AC in my opinion. Those tabs are super far from a gimmick and give you a better performing “harness” functionality than the more bulky Ferro option.
@@EODFish but what difference is there? there isnt more movement or strechability is there?
to me it looks like both 3AC and SPC Cummerbund have a layer of tegris so i cant imagine being that big of a difference.
although while i really liked the FCPCs comfort a buddy found that he doesnt like it at all.
so prolly just different body shapes.
You had Both so i trust what you say on it. Just thinking loud here.
@@Nick-hm9rh The difference is a more secure and stronger fit. By having the tabs go into the plate bags, you're providing more support where the cummerbund meets the plate bag, therefore making it hold weight better.
Yeesh, they're like $250 after shipping for me...
Can you molle a pack on with the cummerbund on?
Yeah, just takes some thought
@@EODFish cool I was scared that it wouldnt work at all lol!
🤔🤔🤔 look interesting might get one
Two things:
2-band cummerbunds don’t allow you to raise the plates higher, the Crye SPC specifically has extra lower slots that you put the cummerbund into to get the raising effect. It would work with a 3-band the same way.
Next. You need to redact what you said about the sizing of the cummerbund before you make people waste their money. The cummerbund is enormous just like the stock SPC cummerbund.
I dunno what you were talking about when trying to put this info out, but it is blatantly incorrect information that will make people waste their money
No on both accounts.
Two bands do allow you to raise the bag because you can mount it low in the back and high to the top of the placard in front, that isn’t possible with a three band.
Having talked to Crye designers, my stance on the length stays the same.
@@EODFish a two band makes zero different on a JPC because it doesn’t have the lower cummerbund slots like a SPC has. If there was a rigid 3-band cummerbund it would have exactly the same effect on a SPC/Shaw ARC. It’s about having extra slots
Dude. I literally show how it works with a two band in the video.
Love it but it is 2x's the price.....
2x’s the price of what?
@@EODFish The Crye SPC cummerbund ($185 vs $83 MSRP).
@@EODFish 2x the price of the stock cummerbund - $85 vs $185 for the Axl cummerbund and adapter.
Do tubes provide any advantage besides easier / faster donning and doffing?
anyone know any FS tubes structural cummerbunds that are NOT 2 band? upgrading a duty carrier with these 2 band meme cummerbunds is pointless because I will have pouches and soft armor mounted on to them that are taller than that anyways, so half of said pouches and armor end up dangling about without support.
I do the same and still prefer the 2 band.
Depending on the pouches you can mount them a little higher so that the cummerbund ends up on the middle of the pouches. Works for a bunch of folks
There really isn’t much that isn’t adequately supported on a good structured 2-band. I like that it forces you to look at where you want the height of the pouch to ride.
@@EODFish My issue is any GP/radio/magpouch that is higher than two rows will dangle about because of the lever caused by a long pouch and only two rows of molle engagement.
@@hakes98 I don’t think you are accounting for how rigid these are.
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I thought you might find this interesting. The idea someone came up with to modify Crye's SPC cummerbund for tubes.
I love it