My no. 1 regret has been putting anything at all into Dionel. He's currently sitting at s, and ex 10. Trust me, of all the cele/hypos to build, he is last on the list.
I think its about whether it is worth to invest with limited resources that could be spent elsewhere. I love his vids too but at same investment only place bryon is viable is using it as silvina counter which is a A-level.
@@Rare-s9y Yeah it depends what you care about. If you only care about pvp Parisa and Bryon could be very good. If you want an all around account he is right.
Hey thanks for mentioning me! Lol but yea as good as Parisa and Bryon are in pvp and I love them so much. They definitely aren't a priority if u want to be highly competitive in all game modes. But if ur going for Paragon heroes u will need a lot of S+ anyway so building them isn't bad in that case either. I'm all about having fun and building heroes u want that will make ur gameplay more fun. And a lot depends on how much u put into the game.
to be fair this is an overall game tierlist so it does make sense that they're not super viable across the game. if we're strictly talking pvp i think bryon is one of the best anti meta chars atm just because you can nuke the thoran and get access to the backline (however this does require you to invest into him).
I regret not being aware of how scarce these essences would be when I started and ending up wasting a lot on ex weapons that I should not go above a certain point.
Parisa and Byron are a few heroes that make up one of the best Eirron comp counter teams. Byron literally stuns anything that tries to CC him. Whats the entire Eirron comp about? Lyca also makes your Parisa insane becuz she spams ult faster then basically any other character in game. Those 3 are definitely usable, they're not Atalanta or Lumont, or like Kafra xD
I personally use Lyca in zoo team because she buffs summons which is very useful for the comp. Sure, s+ berial would be better for that comp but lets be real(pun intended) here, no one is building berial any time soon. I find Lyca is ok in almost any comp, you want to try something but have one of the units underdeveloped? Just put Lyca s+ EX10 and the comp will be functioning. I built her as my first s+ A tier and i dont regret doing it at all, i use her a lot and push triple deficit very easy with her in the comp
I actually do agree with you for most of them except Bryon for now, cuz he’s pretty formidable with ulmus alsa eironn Damien Arden in arena. But yes there are other better heroes to build up, and some of them are missing the point that these are heroes u regret building as prioritised over others and not necessarily mean they are lousy heroes. Really depends on our team dynamics and which challenge modes are prioritised, not forgetting diff servers have diff team dynamics which you will obviously have diff team counters for PVP.
After doing some testing, Rhys's crit damage is similar to Marilee's true damage in that it can overcome physical defense in deficit pushing. High crit is comparable to true damage, but falls off late season. Next season (when dream realm resets) crit heroes like Carolina and Rhys will be preferable to true damage heroes, imo
Very useful analytics, I'm playing on a new server myself with the same conclusions and I've been collecting Lyca, too 😁 on the new server, my wishlist: LS: Vala + Rowan LA: Marilee + Korin MS: Smokey + Brutus (Alsa) MA: Antandra + Odie WS: Eironn + Florabelle WA: Damian + Arden GS: Thoran + Cecia (Ludovic|Carolina) GA: Niru + Viperian (Silvina)
I built up Lyca knowing she was bad because I just like the idea of the jack-of-all-trades type of character. Her biggest problem is that she debuffs Physical resistance in a meta where everybody is doing magic damage. You can't even pair her with other wilders because Bryon is doing magic damage, Eironn is doing magic damage, Parisa is doing magic damage... even Heywin is doing magic damage. Maybe in a year from now, if the wilders have more physical attack damage characters, she'll become relevant.
I want to say I regret building Cecia beyond M+, I should have switched her out to Carolina once I got her to M+. After that.. probably.. Cassadee. Content creators and the community kept pushing her as some must have.. but.. I don't use her.
9:30 they couldnt have all been alsa unless you didnt pull any rhy copies in the first 42 days of playing prior to alsa's release. So more so they could have all been shakir copies exclusively.
Without Scarlita, she's still very useful at CC for the Eirron comp. I have never regretted getting her to S+10. While I'm building my Scarlita, she's helping keep me at a good spot in arena.
@@giuwuseppe I don't think it's worth it. Damian and Arden alongside Eironn are the core of that comp. Ulmus is good alongside side them but he's not required.
I feel like this was a bit shortsided. From your POV it might make sense, having your account as is, but for most people its going to take forever to even unlock paragon, And you need those 25 S+ heroes, so how do they even get there avoiding the heroes that are easier to build (Shop). I feel like it's a bit hard for you to see the game from our perspective, so most of this advices really dont make sense for the majority of you audience.
Omg the bryon slander… bryon actually is the secret sauce in a secret pvp and pve team of mine 😂😂😂 this is why you guys will never beat eiron omg I’m dyiiiinnggggggg
All the youtubers playing this game are kind of amusing to me for two reasons. 1) Whales are playing a completely different game than the rest of us. So most of what you're saying isn't relevant. 2) Not once did you mention the word "fun". You're playing the game like an accountant running a business. There are some really interesting characters in this game that may not be as efficient in top tier play but they're simply fun to use. Everybody at the top using the same three teams forgot the reason we play games.
Who hurt you man? The entire list are good heroes that a lot of people like. And your major complaint is that you don't use them and paragon levels. I mean it's your opinion but I don't think many people will agree with you.
I built everybody here but Casadee and I agree with this guy wholeheartedly. You're right that people like the characters, and they aren't terrible characters, but they aren't meta, and they're difficult to fit onto teams. That doesn't mean you can't use them or they won't be better later on, but they're not that great right now no matter how much you like them.
I actually do agree with you for most of them except Bryon for now, cuz he’s pretty formidable with ulmus alsa eironn Damien Arden in arena. But yes there are other better heroes to build up, and some of them are missing the point that these are heroes u regret building as prioritised over others and not necessarily mean they are lousy heroes. Really depends on our team dynamics and which challenge modes are prioritised, not forgetting diff servers have diff team dynamics which you will obviously have diff team counters for PVP.
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I was still thinking I should try to build all heroes eventually in case they are useful in the next season or something.
That kind of positive that I need in real life
This Bryon and Parisa slander, they are so good in PVP.
I'll summarize to save you all some time. Puzzle: "I regret ascending this hero because other heroes are better" Why? He won't explain.
My no. 1 regret has been putting anything at all into Dionel. He's currently sitting at s, and ex 10. Trust me, of all the cele/hypos to build, he is last on the list.
The problem is, it will take 2 years max out those arena shop heroes. I'm F2P, I'd rather max out a few heroes right now than wait 2 years for them 🤔🤔
your math is mostly correct but maxing bad heroes isn't going to do anything, only a few are worth from the arena shop
@@markospapgaming7825yes cuz rowan heyween and granny dahnie are bad heroes
@@ThrE3-GeS but for early game, rowan is pretty good somehow
@@muhammadizzuddin7323that was sarcasm
Browniegames made a very good pvp team with Parisa and Bryon
I think its about whether it is worth to invest with limited resources that could be spent elsewhere. I love his vids too but at same investment only place bryon is viable is using it as silvina counter which is a A-level.
@@Rare-s9y Yeah it depends what you care about. If you only care about pvp Parisa and Bryon could be very good. If you want an all around account he is right.
Hey thanks for mentioning me! Lol but yea as good as Parisa and Bryon are in pvp and I love them so much. They definitely aren't a priority if u want to be highly competitive in all game modes. But if ur going for Paragon heroes u will need a lot of S+ anyway so building them isn't bad in that case either.
I'm all about having fun and building heroes u want that will make ur gameplay more fun. And a lot depends on how much u put into the game.
to be fair this is an overall game tierlist so it does make sense that they're not super viable across the game. if we're strictly talking pvp i think bryon is one of the best anti meta chars atm just because you can nuke the thoran and get access to the backline (however this does require you to invest into him).
The thing is we need 25 Supreme plus to even get to paragon 1 so dont we need to build these heroes?
Yes, but you can get to p1 without having to build "bad" heroes.
I regret not being aware of how scarce these essences would be when I started and ending up wasting a lot on ex weapons that I should not go above a certain point.
Parisa and Byron are a few heroes that make up one of the best Eirron comp counter teams. Byron literally stuns anything that tries to CC him. Whats the entire Eirron comp about? Lyca also makes your Parisa insane becuz she spams ult faster then basically any other character in game. Those 3 are definitely usable, they're not Atalanta or Lumont, or like Kafra xD
I personally use Lyca in zoo team because she buffs summons which is very useful for the comp. Sure, s+ berial would be better for that comp but lets be real(pun intended) here, no one is building berial any time soon. I find Lyca is ok in almost any comp, you want to try something but have one of the units underdeveloped? Just put Lyca s+ EX10 and the comp will be functioning. I built her as my first s+ A tier and i dont regret doing it at all, i use her a lot and push triple deficit very easy with her in the comp
I actually do agree with you for most of them except Bryon for now, cuz he’s pretty formidable with ulmus alsa eironn Damien Arden in arena. But yes there are other better heroes to build up, and some of them are missing the point that these are heroes u regret building as prioritised over others and not necessarily mean they are lousy heroes. Really depends on our team dynamics and which challenge modes are prioritised, not forgetting diff servers have diff team dynamics which you will obviously have diff team counters for PVP.
Thanks for the vidéo Puzzle love it, btw do u still recommend to not pay the diamand in instant reward after being 560 lvl?
After doing some testing, Rhys's crit damage is similar to Marilee's true damage in that it can overcome physical defense in deficit pushing. High crit is comparable to true damage, but falls off late season.
Next season (when dream realm resets) crit heroes like Carolina and Rhys will be preferable to true damage heroes, imo
Very useful analytics, I'm playing on a new server myself with the same conclusions and I've been collecting Lyca, too 😁
on the new server, my wishlist:
LS: Vala + Rowan
LA: Marilee + Korin
MS: Smokey + Brutus (Alsa)
MA: Antandra + Odie
WS: Eironn + Florabelle
WA: Damian + Arden
GS: Thoran + Cecia (Ludovic|Carolina)
GA: Niru + Viperian (Silvina)
You should go for shakir and koko instead of brutus and antandra
Second this ^ account is almost 100 days old, couldn't imagine playing without Koko.
I built up Lyca knowing she was bad because I just like the idea of the jack-of-all-trades type of character. Her biggest problem is that she debuffs Physical resistance in a meta where everybody is doing magic damage. You can't even pair her with other wilders because Bryon is doing magic damage, Eironn is doing magic damage, Parisa is doing magic damage... even Heywin is doing magic damage. Maybe in a year from now, if the wilders have more physical attack damage characters, she'll become relevant.
I want to say I regret building Cecia beyond M+, I should have switched her out to Carolina once I got her to M+. After that.. probably.. Cassadee.
Content creators and the community kept pushing her as some must have.. but.. I don't use her.
Wow lots of Wilders. I pulled for supreme plus Lyca because a content creator said she is good so I don't follow that CC Barry much anymore haha.
Lol same.
Lyca is good for Dionel team.🌚
Yeah i know she is good with dionel but i have dionel at epic only and i don't like him haha.
9:30 they couldnt have all been alsa unless you didnt pull any rhy copies in the first 42 days of playing prior to alsa's release. So more so they could have all been shakir copies exclusively.
I'm starting to regret getting Carolina to S+ Ex 10 because she is just not very good anymore compared to Ardenn, Scarlita and other carries
the only problem she has is the tankiness... she is so squishy..
Without Scarlita, she's still very useful at CC for the Eirron comp. I have never regretted getting her to S+10. While I'm building my Scarlita, she's helping keep me at a good spot in arena.
me who uses parisa who is god tier in pvp yea this guy is kapping
well this aged well after lily mays release 🤣😜
How is your wishlist? Should i keep maxed chars for paragon although im not there yet
such a shame rhys isn't more powerful he's my favourite unit, such an interesting steampunk design
by the way is temporarly stopping damian/arden progression at m+ to go after ulmus a good idea?
@@giuwuseppe I don't think it's worth it. Damian and Arden alongside Eironn are the core of that comp. Ulmus is good alongside side them but he's not required.
@@Ryarat thanks!
my man listing all my fav characters
Parisa is like best pvp nuker next to Dionel
I feel like this was a bit shortsided. From your POV it might make sense, having your account as is, but for most people its going to take forever to even unlock paragon, And you need those 25 S+ heroes, so how do they even get there avoiding the heroes that are easier to build (Shop).
I feel like it's a bit hard for you to see the game from our perspective, so most of this advices really dont make sense for the majority of you audience.
Puzzle needs to watch brownie vids how to use bryon ;p
One person over invested in a hero, must be amazing....
@@Cagey7531 Can you show me how to over-invest in Valen and make him good please? I want the god tier EX30 Valen experience XD
this... seems to have changed for current season glyphshade lol
Your alsa isn’t supreme+ but your going to paragon 2? Make it make sense
Omg the bryon slander… bryon actually is the secret sauce in a secret pvp and pve team of mine 😂😂😂 this is why you guys will never beat eiron omg I’m dyiiiinnggggggg
All the youtubers playing this game are kind of amusing to me for two reasons.
1) Whales are playing a completely different game than the rest of us. So most of what you're saying isn't relevant.
2) Not once did you mention the word "fun". You're playing the game like an accountant running a business. There are some really interesting characters in this game that may not be as efficient in top tier play but they're simply fun to use. Everybody at the top using the same three teams forgot the reason we play games.
Prolific!
3 wilders huh, funny
Who hurt you man? The entire list are good heroes that a lot of people like. And your major complaint is that you don't use them and paragon levels. I mean it's your opinion but I don't think many people will agree with you.
I built everybody here but Casadee and I agree with this guy wholeheartedly. You're right that people like the characters, and they aren't terrible characters, but they aren't meta, and they're difficult to fit onto teams. That doesn't mean you can't use them or they won't be better later on, but they're not that great right now no matter how much you like them.
I actually do agree with you for most of them except Bryon for now, cuz he’s pretty formidable with ulmus alsa eironn Damien Arden in arena. But yes there are other better heroes to build up, and some of them are missing the point that these are heroes u regret building as prioritised over others and not necessarily mean they are lousy heroes. Really depends on our team dynamics and which challenge modes are prioritised, not forgetting diff servers have diff team dynamics which you will obviously have diff team counters for PVP.