INSANE! I Photographed the RINGS of SATURN at 1600mm w/ the Canon EOS R5...from my ROOF!
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I recently saw people posting pictures of Jupiter and Saturn and was like "I want to give that a shot". I broke out the Canon EOS R5, RF800 F11, RF 2x converter and a tripod, in my attempt to do astrophotography from my roof in the city. With the 2X converter, I was shooting at 1600mm f22, which is pure insanity. Non the less, I had some fun and it was cool to be able to see the rings of Saturn which is 700,000,000 miles away.
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The one correction I need to make is, the light from Saturn would have taken 3,800 years to get here if my math is somewhat correct.
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light only takes 79.3 minutes to get from the Sun to Saturn, so I'm pretty sure you're not seeing an image of Saturn through your lens from 1,300 years ago lol. More likely an hour ago.
Lol. Can't expect him to be smart and beautiful
I was going to say the same thing. Should be just over an hour ago.
He's not wrong about the concept, though. Some of the stars in the picture can be that far away where it takes that long.
@@FairlyUnknown we all know that lol
Yeah, it takes our landers 21 months to get to Mars. He's only three orders of magnitude off.
Awesome images Jared. Few facts correction and suggestions btw for future.
1. It takes 75 mins to light from saturn to reach earth.
2. Light pollution does not affect bright objects like moon and bright planets (Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn).
3. You don't take images of planets rather take short videos at higher frame rates and then stack them to create a final sharper clean image (lots of work).
4. Those are not stars but noise.
5. Moon - focus is good but processed image needs few adjustments since the terminator region (day-night side or left side of moon) is clipped.
I am a research Astronomer, an astrophotographer and NASA featured Lunar Photographer.
I watch nearly every video of yours and love your channel. Cheers 🙂
And an engineer too.
We know all know none of this is real and Jared is a paid actor from NASA
Hi, just wanted to point out light Pollution can affect Plants too because light Pollution will affect your SN ratio. Also most of what he's seeing is noise but given he's a professional photographer I'd think he'd know if it was noise. I think what he's calling stars are actually in fact Jupiters moons.
weird flex but ok
@@Phambric21 I shoot planets from Bortle 8 skies and there is no effect on brighter planets if there are no direct lights in between the path. I know he is a pro but he is not sure if these are stars because those are not.
At such expsoure Jupiter's moons may not make it.
It’s a slippery slope! This is exactly how I got into Astro imaging.
At the end of 2010 I was playing around adapting my old Olympus 300mm lens to the Canon Eos system (5d2), the OM300 was my longest lens at the time, then I added the OM 2x converter, taking it up to 600mm before adapting to Eos. Then I thought, hey, I could add in the Canon converters I have. So first up was the EF 2x, so now at 1200mm, then I had another EF 2x adapter kicking around, so on that went, 2400mm....and then I also had the EF 1.4x which could mate to one of my EF 2x converters, so on that went for 3360mm f-v.slow! It was at night, and I thought I have to try this out. Thought I’d shoot a distant street light, so stepped out of the house, and right in front of me in the small patch of sky I had was a full moon. So that became the new target. I shot that for a bit, then pointed to a bright ‘star’ near the moon. Digitally zoomed in to fine focus and my jaw dropped open, I was looking at the unmistakable image of Jupiter on the LCD of my 5d2. In one exposure I grossly over exposed by accident. On opening that over exposed image on the PC I was further dumb founded to see that I’d captured 3 of Jupiter’s moons too!
18 months later, I had an all singing, all dancing, motorised & computerised Astro Mount with a 6” f9 triplet, and was doing deep space object long exposures, longest of which so far was 18 hours worth of ‘light’ exposures, and many more hours of ‘calibration’ exposures (light flat, bias and dark frame). I migrated to shooting with a cooled mono ccd and narrowband filters, so you can isolate clouds of hydrogen, from oxygen, from sulphur in the same field of view in a nebula and then combine them into the RGB channels to create colourful (false colour) images of space. It’s a whole new world....literally!
Oh, and the best way to shoot planets is to video them at the highest FPS rate you can, and then use specialist software that can work out which individual frames in the video sequence are the sharpest, and then stack just the best frames, and then process the master from stacking the best. At high magnifications, the sharpness of the image is impacted by the layers of air in our atmosphere moving relative to each other which make the image ‘dance’ about, but occasionally the image momentarily stabilises, and gives sharper images. Due to the rotation of Jupiter, you can only use a video clip around 2 mins long when using this method, much longer and the rotation effects will increasing degrade the stacked image.
So Jarrod, try again, but give us 2 min videos to download at the highest fps you can get.
I'm in my 70s and have dementia. Yet, five seconds after Professor Jared shared his knowledge of astrophysics, even I said, "wait, what?"
yeah, but you say that all the time.
Bill Atwood Most underrated comment! :D
Fun video! BTW. Saturn is like 5 light hours away from the earth, not 1300 light years.
Currently only 1 hours, 15 minutes and 0.2895 seconds, but it's variable due to Saturn's and Earth's orbits.
@@trouwfotomakerij "only" when c = 299 792 458 m / s
@@dash1dash2 Which it is. What's your point?
@@dash1dash2 ye i hate when the speed of light changes
Yep, math in this comment is more on point.
Last year a took a picture of Pluto , amazing ; you could see his ears 😀
You mean you could see Plutos moons? That's amazing!
Hey Jared, those are actually pretty good images with that combination! However, the full capability of producing beautiful platenetary images is to take a short video and 'stack' all the individual frames from the video. That way you improve your signal to noise ratio drastically and can get pretty crazy detail.
Absolutely love the astrophotography plunge you took!
So what would that look like if you used 8k RAW video and stacked those clips together? WOW
Can you explain better how to do it?
@@aaronjonellhall1937 you should go for longer exposures, not video. There's a channel astrobackyard, check that out
Aayush Sapra longer exposures are for deep sky photography (nebulae and the likes). Planetary imaging however is done with what’s known as ‘lucky imaging’ and the shorter the exposure time of the individual video frames, the better. It’s a completely different technique.
stack 15+ images with Sequator and the results would have been a shit load cleaner, saying that it would work out cheaper to by a decent telescope and pair that with a cheap camera :)
6:00 what the hell was that
imgur.com/gallery/rCumMAi
A satellite, most likely
An alien?
A member of the Pheesh'Ai species.
Strange. Any time I've looked at Jupiter through a backyard telescope I can see at least 4 of its moons around it very clearly.
To see the moons in the camera he'd have to overexpose Jupiter, so it would appear as a white ball. If he can see surface details, then the moons will disappear. Your eyes are different.
He's also in a very light polluted area
Neat to see you here. Dr. Amazingly got it right
Need more exposure to see the moons, he made darken for the planet details
Hes at f22
"We're gonna need a bigger tripod."
WHOA so this is what 1600mm can see!
It can see a lot more.... You need a lot more aperture....f22 is too low
Even by telescope's standards, 1600mm is not a small amount. However, telescopes can have much, much longer a focal lenght. For instance, I have shot the Moon with a 2000mm acromat, through of which you can see craters as small as half a mile across.
I cringed when you said it takes light 1,300 years to reach earth from Saturn
Hehehe!!! I hope he’s kidding. He’s gotta be kidding... right?
It’s more like 1 hour and 14 minutes
I guess everybody correcting his 1300 years google it 😂
I do admit that it pained me as well, since that would place Saturn 1,300 light-years from Earth. Our Solar System is big, but not that big!
I know....he obviously didn’t check that math🤣
Ur notifications make me happy every-time
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@@humblepasta1543 yep chum
NO YOU ARE BREATHTAKING!
This was entertaining. I got the chills watching this. Hope it’s not COVID.
Literally, this makes me wanna try this.
Just buy a $600 f5.9 telescope and a $300 star tracker and you can get results that are waaaaayyy better
Is that the music from "Little House on the Praire" playing? 😂🤣
Sounds like stock music
It's "Sunrise on the new world" by Grant Newman on Epidemic Sound.
Manuel Neumann so I WAS indeed correct. Lol
'Fro knows AstroFotos(not)com! F22 reminds me of those ridiculous department-store telescopes (I'm dating myself here...) with their "high power" eyepieces.
At the moment, It takes just over 1 hour and 15 minutes for light to travel from Saturn to Earth. This changes, depending on how far away Saturn is to the earth.
Depends where u are standing toooo
@@d.k.1394 yeah well.. light takes roughly 0.04 seconds to travel the diameter of the earth. So from the possible closest point to the farthest you could get and still see Saturn would make all of 0.02 seconds. So in the scope of 1 hour 15 minutes, it's the same.
@@RickDangerousNL say wot.....
@@RickDangerousNL u are good at math
One of the more exciting videos in the past few days. Loved it and you definitely made a case for the R system.
Damn, I came here specifically to see Uranus. I guess I'll just have to make do with Jupiter, Saturn and the moon then. 😉
No sadly it's just an a$$ on the video
FYI - it takes 1 hr and 14 minutes for the light from Saturn to reach earth. :)
And now think... we need to send commands to spacecraft at that distance... and receive their data back. Check out that ping time baby.
@@blakestone75 and we gamers complain 40ms as high ping👀
P.s my minimum on cs go and valorant is 150ms👀
Now all we need is planet detect AF, you know, for all those flat mooners 🌗🤣🤣
Its the next step for Canon after animal eye detection and plant identification. I mean why not tell us what we are actually photographing at the same time.
Hall of fame comment 👍
I went out 2 days ago and shot the Moon with the R5 70-200 and we very surprised by the detail. But what you did is very impressive.
LMAO, light takes a little over an hour to reach Earth from Saturn. Haha But this is insanely cool... possibly the coolest thing I've seen on UA-cam in a while.
When you get to those kins of magnifications, the image moves because of the rotation of the earth.
Absolutely 👌
4:23 It can also be satellites.
Great video!! It's amazing how you could photograph it with F/22 .
There is a good chance he accidentally photographed Jupiters moons.
Was able to do it with a 400mm f5.6 on a 5D3. You clearly see them next to Jupiter.
@@kaix5777 Thanks!
It's nice that Fro gets out every now and then.
Cool.
I have managed to capture Jupiter and its four main Galilean moons -Io, Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto using a 5Ds with a 70-200 and 1.4 TC.
A lot Less detail from Jupiter than you got of course, but it really blew my mind that it was possible with just 280mm focal length.
Use a 2 x converter to blow your mind!
My science nerd side is loving this!!! Awesome Jared.
The ring systems are pretty amazing stuff. They are only about 30 feet thick, on average.
They landed on the Moon. With a powerful enough telescope, you see the lunar rovers and LEM launch pads.
you couldn't, because physics. You *might* be able to see long shadows thrown at local sunrise/set, but the only way you can actually see the landing stages and rovers is from low Lunar orbit (eg by looking for LRO images).
Saturn is roughly 836,550,000 miles from Earth. Light travels roughly 186,000 miles per second. Divided it takes 4,497.58 seconds to reach Earth! And then divided by 60, that’s 74.96 minutes! Not 1300 years! Still amazing! Congrats!
Hey Fro, for astro, see if Sigma would lend you their "bazooka" that is the 200-500 f2.8 with the 2x converter.
Ctrl-F'ed to find Uranus in the comments. I found 4 at this time.
Found 17 🤣
better than finding flatTard comments
One does not just Ctrl+F Uranus mate. Ask Boromir.
Take the R5 to the moon. I want to see 120 4K of astronauts in space and rocket thrusters in low gravity.
Jared. You nail it, amazing idea to add 2Xiii, with RF 800mm.
Actually,
2x ii and 2xiii can stack together, with 800mm, haha... 3200mm f64
1.4x iii and 2x ii can stack together with 800mm will become 2240mm f32
The way you get Saturn and Jupiter is that you record 3min high resolution video, stabilize and crop it, you process it in Autostakkert, Registax(wavelets) and Lightroom at the end.
Imagine a 1600mm lens on a m43 camera....How much more could we see? I can only imagine
Most planetary photography is done with webcam sized sensors for that reason
I will find out in the next 2 weeks with the 100-400 f 5-6.3 plus extender. I saw pictures from Saturn and jupiter taken with this gear which were sharper than these with the Canon gear.
Rom Meyer it all comes down to image processing. I use a 4000mm telescope with a m43 camera and all images of the planets look crap without stacking. You take videos of planets and not photos and use software to pic out and stack the best frames.
@Rhabarber what does a bigger sensor like a hasselblad help if you cannot buy long lenses as you get with m 43.
Rhabarber your thinking deep space astrophotography. Planets are bright and are always shot with small sensors for best results. That way cropping is limited.
What song is that i need it // EDIT FOUND IT Sunrise On The New World - Grant Newman . This is such an underrated masterpiece unless they used it Mandalorian or something already
'Definitely not Uranus' got me cracking fucking hard!!! 😂😂😂
STELLAR!! Thanks Jared for sharing. Not sure what video head you were using, the big Manfrotto 509 has served me well when I shoot with my Canon 200-400 w/2x.
Tried this before. Planets move so fast it's difficult to keep them at the center of the frame
The rotation of earth is the bigger problem
@@eruilluvatar8066 That's correct and that's why we love equatorial mount!
@@eruilluvatar8066 If I'm not mistaken Earth is a planet
@@NateSceneTV but its very easy to keep the earth in frame...
I did something similar with a Tamron 150-600 and 2x teleconverter on my 7D. With the crop factor, I was getting the equivalent of 1920mm at f/13 shooting the moon, which pretty much filled the entire frame.
I’d recommend a tripod with a geared head. They’re good for hold the camera rock steady and lets you make minute adjustments at the same time.
1300 years was just pure comedy
OMG!!! I was just telling my buddy about how this setup might be able to get a nice shot of Saturn from my backyard.
Nice to see something different to "oh Canon R5 overheating.."
ikr? Like photographers disappeared all of a sudden. 😅😅
He was joking with the 1300 years thing people, relax, chill out, breathe
No... no he wasn't....
Oh, look at that, Fro cropped a photo! Keep doing stuff like this Fro it is fun to watch.
you might want to try some stacking !! use HALF or even 1/3 the ISO once you lock down the focus and position and then turn on the continuous shooting and fire off a couple hundred shots and then run it through some astro stacking software !!!!
When you realize you get similar results with P1000, a 800$ camera...
Other than that?
Yeh, but can it do 8k RAW? The guys who shoot planets usually use video mode, they film the scene for couple of minutes, then by the help of software they divide the video in to the single frames, each second is 24 frames. Then they stack the frames on top of each other and the results are superb even using small CCD cameras. Imagine using the RAW 8K frames from this camera...
2400mm SPAAAAACE!
Both enxtenders can be used with an extension tube in between but not available so far on the RF mount. Can be done on a DSLR with EF lens and on the EOS M cameras.
Using a stack of over 1000 images and calibration shots and stacking it in deep sky stacked you could have a pretty dope shot.
It is a bit of fun doing planet shots , i think you might have got a little closer with even one of the cheaper nikon bridge camera super zooms( i could be wrong ) .
I had a bit of a go with my P900 last year( or was it the year before ? ) , and i`d say my little P900 shots of the planets where pulled in a tad closer , and where imo better than the canon shots for that reason , i did also manage to shoot a planet which was just a totally blue orb , i thought it may have been neptune but have no clue really , but that one was a long long way away and was cropped in a lot .
The moon shot looked considerably closer , it fully zoomed it almost filled the whole frame .
I shot mine also from the big smoke (Melbourne Australia )on one rare fairly clear night .
I tried experimenting with the settings and
I took many many shots , and threw many many many many shots away :) ( i`m not a photographer just a bloke with a camera ) and i picked the best ones out of the lot .
I dont know if your location on our little rock can mean you may or may not get an easier time of getting a shot , but i found it hard to keep focus , because the buggers of things move so fast out of shot .
The thing that amazes me with planet shots , is sometimes you look up at a faint star with bare eyes and all you can see is a tiny dot , but with the magic of the camera zoom , it turns a dot into a place you can see .
Now it’s time for Jared to get an EQ mount... tis only the beginning.
Jared you should take lots of exposures and stack them. The stacking will clean the pictures and the data from the planets will be added together to give a lot more detail!
Note for anyone who might be interested in starting in Astrophotography: Presets can help, for sure, but if you plan to publish altered photos online please make sure to carefully annotate that the picture has been digitally altered, and to what degree it has been manipulated. This is a big deal, not just as a matter of taste or preference for a photographer, but also because of the complications related to NASA conspiracy theories, Flat Earth, etc. People can be extremely passionate about various views. Being transparent and precise in your work is incredibly important.
Some may scoff at the hobby of astronomy, but standing in an empty field at night in the middle of winter is a great way to see tiny white dots.
Gosh, I can relate to the 'pains' of using video tripods. My sturdiest tripod I have is designed for video and it's a hassle how it continues to move on a little bit after I lock it off. Well done on trying about planetary photography with a regular camera lens. I'd like to try the same thing with my 600mm mirror lens and 2x teleconverter on my M4/3 camera (similar field of view as a 2400mm lens on full frame / 35mm format.) Though I bet Saturn (or any planet) will still look like a tiny spec in my viewfinder.
Great video Jared, thank for your review. I wonder if your hair can be seen from the moon with this lens setup! :) Happy holidays
when i first saw saturn on my very first deepsky pictures, i had tears in my eyes. i never saw anything beautiful in my life as i did back then. to see your evf, jupiter and saturn LIVE, makes me get eyewetty again... wow...
Your RAW beauty is only superseeded by your astro-math skills ...
Jared would you mean redoing these shots applying the 500 rule? 500/1600mm focal length = 3/10th of a second, the duration you can expose the camera before the earth's rotation makes the shots blurry on a full frame camera. I would then take off the 2x teleconverter, and redo the shots at f11 and 6/10ths of a second exposure. I'm curious if the lens stabilization and IBIS need to be turned off to keep the image sharp on a tripod or if the camera is smart and does that automatically?
It is the end of an era... Jared is cropping a photography !
And he's still the wild man after all these years... you go Jared..and SHOOT RAW!!!!
Are you kidding me! I haven't been this amazed lately!!
what a fun experiment! Thanks for posting. I had NO IDEA you could even do that with a “consumer” long lens. I hate you ... now I won’t sleep until I can afford to buy one of those lenses and the teleconverter - I need to see Jupiter and Saturn for myself! Regardless, great post! :-)
Hi Jared,to process these deep sky photos，you have to shoot more photos and use a sofe named "registax6"(it's free) to stack them to get a final clear photo.
So I’ve actually been trying this the same time you have and I’m geeking out so hard!! I actually got Saturns rings and 4 of Jupiter’s moons from my yard just using my Sony a7 iii and the new sigma 100-400 and it’s so cool! Like you said, not the greatest thing since sliced bread but wow!!!! Thanks for all you do! I absolutely love your channel
They are insane !! anybody who says its shaky or grainy has not got a f***ing clue how amazing that is or any idea how far away those planets are , well in Jared
I can confirm that the 800+2x works just as well on the R. At f22 you will completely lose AF in anything but sun scorching daylight, but it does work. It’s amazing.
Fro: well my 12 inch ruler ain't long enough to measure time!
Thanks Jared... Don’t forget that Pluto is in the vicinity... of Jupiter. I have been toying with the idea of doubling my 600mm to try to photo Jupiter. It looks like I need to go higher.
When you are shooting the planets, you must use the stacking method to get even better results, stacking makes picture less noise and sharper
My RP with my 500mm F4.5 and stacked 2xII and 2xIII still autofocuses when doing moon shots. These canon mirrorless cameras are awesome! 👌
The moon, Saturn and Jupiter are next to each other tonight.
Seem like a lot of fun!!
Actually, there were a lot of same moon/star... shooting pictures by E mount users long time ago and published on web. They used E mount 200-600 mm lens with x2 and APSC mode.
you can stack teleconverters, use an ext tube between the two, i have had 2 2x canon converters and a teleplus 3x converter on the ef mount (M50 and sigma 100 - 400 setup)
You are going to be so hooked on this. Next thing you know, you will be reviewing star tracking rigs, IR cut filters, and all sorts of stuff like this. Welcome to the hobby!!
You know whats even cooler? Getting the International Space Station! 🤩
Nice one Jarad :) We don't need to see Uranus. We hear plenty of you talking through it and a jolly good mine of information they have there too. Make sure there's no dust on the sensor next time and, as always, keep up the good work.
Regardless of the math. Thanks for sharing the images Jared.
picturdur of jupiturdur...hahaha 1300 years... oh jared! you make me laughurdur! :D
Neat video! What you thought were stars are the Galilean Moons; Io, Calysto, Ganymede, and Europa.
I'm just laughing this whole video lmaoooo, picturing him on the roof with this rig
Just rewatched. I noticed that you used the image stabilization on both the camera and lens. It is standard practice to turn image stabilization off when using a tripod for astrophotography. Ironically, it adds shake to the photographs.
Photographed both Saturn and Jupiter (with 4 galilean moons) and took video too with 70D + 400mm lens with 3-10x digital video zoom this month. Also got killer photos of Moon, Solar eclipse and saw the Comet too.
Pretty cool Month and a Half went inside this Pandemic eh? 🥰🥰
640mm eq with say 5x digital zoom is like 3200mm right?
Oh and next time you show that Eagle photo use Fropack 1 presets Cookies and Cream and Silvertide. I use both for my bon colored photos and people love it. Especially the Cookies and Cream preset. After I do my adjustments it reminds older people of the old time black and white photos and how it always had that slight color tint to them. Those 2 and Skittles are my all time favorites to use. Occassionally Ill use others from Fropack 1 and 2
It's fascinating, isn't it? These planets out there, condensed gas and rocks, orbiting around our star here... just fascinating. And we can see them with a bit of tech.
Imagine how Galileo must have felt when he made out that bright spot to be another world like ours... 400 years ago.
you can take hundred photos using a good tripod and star tracker(a machine that rotates with resoect to earths rotation).. then stack them with deep sky stacker and get high res images of jupiter and saturn
As a deep sky astrophotographer, it's always fun to see "regular" photographers dabble with planetary photography since that's how most astrophotographers get started. As some others have suggested taking a video on a tripod and stacking the best frames is best practice. Something else to note is light pollution has really no effect on planets in the night sky so they'll always look relatively similar in cities as well as at a dark sky. I could make this comment book length but I won't, next time try shooting a nebula at ~600mm, I think the results might really be surprising.
Very nice results. My p950 Nikon sharpness not as clear. Thank you very much.
That's awesome!
It is fun to experiment that way outdoors. I use a Nikon D500, 1.4 teleconverter and 200-500 f 5.6 ( 500 x 1.5 crop X 1.4 tele = 1050MM at f8) mounted on a manfroto carbon fibre tripod and a Jobu gimbel head.
Wow Fro knows photography BUT does NOT know math. Takes about 70 minutes for that light to get here.
The music.....like you’re some superhero or something. You kill me Fro!! 😂😂😂
Jared just got the RF 800mm f11. I wish I had an extra six Benjamins to the 2x but that is in the future. So far I am not having much luck trying to photograph a planet. As you mentioned the video tripod would move, so going to try a Slik tripod I have with a pistol grip for less adjustment. Hoping that help. My other question is when you shot the planets as video or stills did you use manual focus? My RP is not doing well with locking focus. Any thoughts ideas would be appreciated.
Great to see you nerding out and having fun with it.
This has me awestruck. I love space, thinking that there are things out there larger than any of use could ever comprehend excites me so much
Light takes 1 hours, 15 minutes and 8.2091 seconds to travel from Saturn and arrive to us.