Looks good. If you’re going to put a gusset/bracket on it, all the force is at at the top. The downward leverage is pulling at the top trying to rip it out.
My 5yo daughter was sitting next to me on the couch during the ‘shop vac is a dog’ section and she found it absolutely hilarious.. so points there! Nice build and nice work on the video!
I've seen these but never felt compelled to build one. For some reason you just sold me :) I have a 4x4 CNC so I should be able to knock out the holes pretty quick. I need to get better about using the CNC to solve shop problems and not just making products.
Instead of a boom arm, I have tracks mounted to the ceiling, with the dust collection hose and power cables hanging off the trolley. Instead of swinging around as I work, the hose just follows me down the workpiece (think track saw). These are tied back to my dust extractor with 2" PVC pipe. The dust extractor comes on when any of the tools turn on, and I have a Bluetooth switch on the hose ends for cleaning up. The large tools (table saw and router table) are tied to back to the dust collector through 4" hose and PVC pipe.
You just solved an issue I’ve been struggling trying to solve, in the same boat with table saw, router and my assembly table, so have a project for tomorrow
Excellent! It's also useful to run a power cord out overhead. Slow and Expensive is a channel where he has jigs for modifying pvc connections for any purpose. Also quite worth watching to get exactly what you need - cheaply.
Ha ha your my kind of fav Utuber soon as you patted the Vac I had to sub... I always pat me tools tell'em they've done a good job and the tractor(old'boy) and Ute(mate), sometimes give them a pet talk before the job too :)
Great build Anthony. My dust collections a real problem at the moment so I might have to look at something like this to get me through. But the shop layout is complicated. Time to have a think! Cheers.
Although a brace from the pivotal point down to the wall will help. Most of the force (gravity) will be pushing bottom pivot into the wall while the weight of the arm hose, even swinging the arm, buy the hose will be pulling on the top pivot. If you look at other similar applications (wall mounted hoist supports for long gates ect. That's why angular supports are made on top. Hope this helps. But still love the intuitiveness.
Ideally yes, having a bottom brace would be best, but space dictates this is the compromise. Any downward force from tugging on the pipes, I'm confident will be supported by the wire cable and so far it seems more than capable. But I'll be for sure, monitoring it carefully.
Nice work. That form ply is great to build with, even though it hard on blades and edge is razor sharp. As for the holes in the sides, they look good if anything else! Power cord is a must, I reckon a switched power board would be good. Right, enough chit chat and I'm going to make one for the OHM shop! Stay dusty my friend. James
I've watched a bunch of these shop boom videos to get ideas for one of my own and I've decided steel would work better. Steel exhaust tubing could even serve as both the pipe and the boom. You don't need to be an expert fabricator to put something together with self drilling screws or pop rivets.
It's not going to be for every shop for sure, so whatever works for you! Metal isn't my forte, but like you said, probably don't need to be an expert. I had, however, a ton of materials left over so for me, this seemed the cheapest most cost effective solution.
I have been planning on making this for a while but we laying out my shop right now since I added a golf simulator. I plan on using thinner plywood and making triangles instead of rectangles..
Great video as always, Wish form ply was avaible in my area of Canada! Have you looked at the line of Pica pencils, with coloured lead makes lines easier to see.
11:53 - pro tip -- buy yourself around 100 Nm impact driver - i have 110Nm one and its super handy ,it start impacting even with 3x15mm screws , almost no need to push it into the screw and it wont slip. BIG PRO TIP nr 2 -build cyclone filter for shop vac - its must have in my opinion - pretty simple to make (or just buy cheap one) , really big difference with it - even better if its 2 stage one
@dappratt5277 I've currently got 3, and one on my main dust collector. The oldest one is a year old, so for me, so far so good but I have seen some other people report problems yes. I'm sure there are lots of other options/brands available, this just happens to be what I'm using.
I would say yes and no. For space reasons I've decided not to, and besides the filter in this unit has a seperetor which works well to prolong filters. The red shop vac you see I've used for nearly 18 months and have never had to change the filter just yet. Given the normal dust this is likely to be collecting is mostly fine dust, even a cyclone may not benefit that much. Having said that...yeah I'll monitor the shop vac, see how this one performs and how quickly it needs cleaning. It would be a cool project to add one and integrate it on the wall somehow, so who knows, that might just happen anyway.
That's correct! It's not because I couldn't use it (I could plumb it in), and everything to do with the nature of how a shop vac works vs how a dust extractor works. Dust extractors work at low pressure/high volume and are fantastic at collecting the big chips/saw dust (table saw, jointer, thicknesser etc). Shop vacs work at high pressure/low volume and are best at picking up the fine dust. It's why people still use vacs for things like sanding, it's just better at that job.
I really like it. When my Ryobi died, I wanted to move to a new platform that had tools with a little more advanced features (for use of a better word) so settled on the Bosch as a first test and I don't regret it. It's nicely balanced and works really well. It's definitely a 'finish' sander however, it's not going to be a work horse one that you use for large panels, high grits etc. Works great for that final sanding layer, highly recomended.
@terrychristian672 That's a really good question and one that I should have covered because I had the same concerns. I did do some tests and couldn't detect any performance issues (at least significant ones that were noticeable). The suction is still powerful enough that when I attach to my sander, it actually will still suction the timber to the sander. So yes, there would be some degradation in performance, but it seems so small so as not to be noticeable.
@barberspaddockwoodworking I recon a cheap $20 manometer and a silicone bung from a home brew shop and you could test the vacuum loss easily to see, if you could be bothered.
Your guess is %100 correct. I have a 2.5HP dust collector, and if I tried using it for this application (which I could), it would SUCK (and not in the good way). There is a reason why people use shop vacs still especially for sanding etc because of differences between how these dust collector types work and what they are ideal for in each application.
It’s the difference between air volume (the 2.5HP dust collector) and negative air pressure (or vacuum - being the… well… vacuum 😉). I use both in my shop as well. My 2HP dust collector on the main port of my table saw and my vacuum on top. Same kind of setup on my router table. And the big dust collector gets way too restricted if you were to try to use it on something like a sander.
They're totally different animals. Shop vacs and "dust extractors" are low volume, high velocity (static pressure) "vacuums". They're good for small dust from small tools. Dust collectors are the opposite. They're high volume low static pressure devices, suited for large particles and large volumes, for tools like table saws, planers, and the like. Two different tools, with different purposes entirely.
I would happily concede a few of those points, but also respectfully disagree with several others. I do not think using formply for this type of project is inappropriate at all. Would this suit every shop? Of course not, but it certainly works for me and based on what I've seen, works plenty well for others. Of course as always each to their own, I'm not a metal worker, but if you are then you do you! Appreciate the constructive comment!
I'm not sure on faster, but in the end I did use my router table to clean them up using a template. I unfortunately don't own a router capable of using a bushing, so a pattern bit was the next best thing.
@@barberspaddockwoodworking IF you're not familiar with the Ron Paulk workbenches, check them out here on youtube. I'm building them now and that got me into pattern routing with bushings. It is really a game changer when working with plywood, especially when you need to make multiples of something. Making a quick pattern isn't hard, and will allow you make repeat cutouts in a consistent and fast way.
Looks good. If you’re going to put a gusset/bracket on it, all the force is at at the top. The downward leverage is pulling at the top trying to rip it out.
And the bottom gusset is the counter force.
My 5yo daughter was sitting next to me on the couch during the ‘shop vac is a dog’ section and she found it absolutely hilarious.. so points there! Nice build and nice work on the video!
Thanks so much! My own daughter gave me that idea haha!
I've seen these but never felt compelled to build one. For some reason you just sold me :) I have a 4x4 CNC so I should be able to knock out the holes pretty quick. I need to get better about using the CNC to solve shop problems and not just making products.
That's amazing to hear!
Instead of a boom arm, I have tracks mounted to the ceiling, with the dust collection hose and power cables hanging off the trolley. Instead of swinging around as I work, the hose just follows me down the workpiece (think track saw). These are tied back to my dust extractor with 2" PVC pipe. The dust extractor comes on when any of the tools turn on, and I have a Bluetooth switch on the hose ends for cleaning up. The large tools (table saw and router table) are tied to back to the dust collector through 4" hose and PVC pipe.
That sounds awesome! My roofline makes it a bit tricky for that kind of thing, but I like the concept, sounds cool.
I'd like to see your solution?
You just solved an issue I’ve been struggling trying to solve, in the same boat with table saw, router and my assembly table, so have a project for tomorrow
Amazing to hear!
Excellent! It's also useful to run a power cord out overhead.
Slow and Expensive is a channel where he has jigs for modifying pvc connections for any purpose. Also quite worth watching to get exactly what you need - cheaply.
Ha ha your my kind of fav Utuber soon as you patted the Vac I had to sub... I always pat me tools tell'em they've done a good job and the tractor(old'boy) and Ute(mate), sometimes give them a pet talk before the job too :)
He's definitely my favourite!
great work!
Great build Anthony.
My dust collections a real problem at the moment so I might have to look at something like this to get me through. But the shop layout is complicated. Time to have a think!
Cheers.
Although a brace from the pivotal point down to the wall will help. Most of the force (gravity) will be pushing bottom pivot into the wall while the weight of the arm hose, even swinging the arm, buy the hose will be pulling on the top pivot. If you look at other similar applications (wall mounted hoist supports for long gates ect. That's why angular supports are made on top. Hope this helps. But still love the intuitiveness.
Ideally yes, having a bottom brace would be best, but space dictates this is the compromise.
Any downward force from tugging on the pipes, I'm confident will be supported by the wire cable and so far it seems more than capable. But I'll be for sure, monitoring it carefully.
Another great project mate. Love the black form ply (think I said that before!). Loving everything you do. Stay safe. Regards, kmdc.
Nice work.
That form ply is great to build with, even though it hard on blades and edge is razor sharp.
As for the holes in the sides, they look good if anything else!
Power cord is a must, I reckon a switched power board would be good.
Right, enough chit chat and I'm going to make one for the OHM shop!
Stay dusty my friend.
James
I've watched a bunch of these shop boom videos to get ideas for one of my own and I've decided steel would work better. Steel exhaust tubing could even serve as both the pipe and the boom. You don't need to be an expert fabricator to put something together with self drilling screws or pop rivets.
It's not going to be for every shop for sure, so whatever works for you! Metal isn't my forte, but like you said, probably don't need to be an expert.
I had, however, a ton of materials left over so for me, this seemed the cheapest most cost effective solution.
How good are game changers 😝
Very nice. Thanks for sharing
I have been planning on making this for a while but we laying out my shop right now since I added a golf simulator.
I plan on using thinner plywood and making triangles instead of rectangles..
Triangles, rectangles or holes, what ever works!
Great video as always, Wish form ply was avaible in my area of Canada! Have you looked at the line of Pica pencils, with coloured lead makes lines easier to see.
I really should, it can be hard to find little marks for sure.
11:53 - pro tip -- buy yourself around 100 Nm impact driver - i have 110Nm one and its super handy ,it start impacting even with 3x15mm screws , almost no need to push it into the screw and it wont slip.
BIG PRO TIP nr 2 -build cyclone filter for shop vac - its must have in my opinion - pretty simple to make (or just buy cheap one) , really big difference with it - even better if its 2 stage one
Some great ideas. New subscriber here!
the review for the remote power switch recommened by you say they stop working after a few months
@dappratt5277 I've currently got 3, and one on my main dust collector. The oldest one is a year old, so for me, so far so good but I have seen some other people report problems yes. I'm sure there are lots of other options/brands available, this just happens to be what I'm using.
Thanks for sharing and I just subscribed to your channel. Looking forward to seeing more ideas from your channel!
Welcome!
You really need a dust collector canister with vortex like an Oneida connected to your shop vac if you are using it for dust collection.
I would say yes and no. For space reasons I've decided not to, and besides the filter in this unit has a seperetor which works well to prolong filters.
The red shop vac you see I've used for nearly 18 months and have never had to change the filter just yet.
Given the normal dust this is likely to be collecting is mostly fine dust, even a cyclone may not benefit that much.
Having said that...yeah I'll monitor the shop vac, see how this one performs and how quickly it needs cleaning.
It would be a cool project to add one and integrate it on the wall somehow, so who knows, that might just happen anyway.
What is the electrified rail you use. For brackets follow compression or tensile strength when putting in reinforcement
Apologies, electrified rail?
If you didn't have a laser cutter a 3d printer is another good option for templating + router patrerns.
Cool project. Cheers.
I definitely would love to get a 3D printer, especially for creating my own adapters, or reducers, that would be cool.
So this dust collection system is separate from the existing, larger dust collection system that is seen in the background, correct?
That's correct! It's not because I couldn't use it (I could plumb it in), and everything to do with the nature of how a shop vac works vs how a dust extractor works. Dust extractors work at low pressure/high volume and are fantastic at collecting the big chips/saw dust (table saw, jointer, thicknesser etc). Shop vacs work at high pressure/low volume and are best at picking up the fine dust. It's why people still use vacs for things like sanding, it's just better at that job.
I’d like to know how you got a paper cut. You said just ask me, I need to know now 😂
When handling panels or longer strips I keep letting the board slide in my hands and that's resulted in plenty of "Formply cuts" 😆 🤣
@@barberspaddockwoodworking I know, just wondering if anyone would actually ask 🤣
I saw a Bosch 18v sander in the background. How do you like it?
I really like it. When my Ryobi died, I wanted to move to a new platform that had tools with a little more advanced features (for use of a better word) so settled on the Bosch as a first test and I don't regret it. It's nicely balanced and works really well. It's definitely a 'finish' sander however, it's not going to be a work horse one that you use for large panels, high grits etc. Works great for that final sanding layer, highly recomended.
I love the idea, but was worried I’d lose too much suction power with the elbows and long hose runs. Have you noticed much change in power?
@terrychristian672 That's a really good question and one that I should have covered because I had the same concerns. I did do some tests and couldn't detect any performance issues (at least significant ones that were noticeable). The suction is still powerful enough that when I attach to my sander, it actually will still suction the timber to the sander.
So yes, there would be some degradation in performance, but it seems so small so as not to be noticeable.
@barberspaddockwoodworking I recon a cheap $20 manometer and a silicone bung from a home brew shop and you could test the vacuum loss easily to see, if you could be bothered.
Very cool build, maybe I will try it myself, it seems very useful. Btw, is your table saw fence custom made? Or maybe an aftermarket that you fitted?
Thanks! No the tablesaw fence is the stock standard that came with the saw.
The link to your sketchup file is saying page not found. Could you fix that so I could get your sketchup file?
It's on my website, but I've updated the link for you to go straight to it.
I'm guessing the Shop-Vac has more suction than using the big dust collector? I have a big 3 hp dust collector.
Your guess is %100 correct. I have a 2.5HP dust collector, and if I tried using it for this application (which I could), it would SUCK (and not in the good way). There is a reason why people use shop vacs still especially for sanding etc because of differences between how these dust collector types work and what they are ideal for in each application.
It’s the difference between air volume (the 2.5HP dust collector) and negative air pressure (or vacuum - being the… well… vacuum 😉). I use both in my shop as well. My 2HP dust collector on the main port of my table saw and my vacuum on top. Same kind of setup on my router table. And the big dust collector gets way too restricted if you were to try to use it on something like a sander.
They're totally different animals. Shop vacs and "dust extractors" are low volume, high velocity (static pressure) "vacuums". They're good for small dust from small tools. Dust collectors are the opposite. They're high volume low static pressure devices, suited for large particles and large volumes, for tools like table saws, planers, and the like.
Two different tools, with different purposes entirely.
Galvanized emt: quicker, cheaper, lighter, sturdier, less bulky, smarter. Wood is not the most appropriate material sometimes.
I would happily concede a few of those points, but also respectfully disagree with several others.
I do not think using formply for this type of project is inappropriate at all. Would this suit every shop? Of course not, but it certainly works for me and based on what I've seen, works plenty well for others. Of course as always each to their own, I'm not a metal worker, but if you are then you do you!
Appreciate the constructive comment!
Apologies. Should have watched to the end before commenting on the power cord.
It would be so much easier and faster to cut out the "windows" with a quick plywood template and router with bushing and spiral upcut bit.
I'm not sure on faster, but in the end I did use my router table to clean them up using a template. I unfortunately don't own a router capable of using a bushing, so a pattern bit was the next best thing.
@@barberspaddockwoodworking IF you're not familiar with the Ron Paulk workbenches, check them out here on youtube. I'm building them now and that got me into pattern routing with bushings. It is really a game changer when working with plywood, especially when you need to make multiples of something. Making a quick pattern isn't hard, and will allow you make repeat cutouts in a consistent and fast way.
*Cotter pin
Ah so that's what they are called!