UA-cam requires that to add chapters to the video playback you need the timestamps in sequential order. I've edited that in the description but figured some of you might want to still be able to search by topic, so here are the civilizations in alphabetical order with timestamps as well. America 3:39:35 Arabia 1:59:26 Assyria 0:12:34 Austria 2:28:44 Aztec 2:33:49 Babylon 2:39:25 Brazil 2:59:37 Byzantium 3:34:27 Carthage 0:52:37 Celts 0:34:33 China 3:58:04 Denmark 1:52:32 Egypt 3:06:59 England 0:59:45 Ethiopia 1:46:19 France 2:36:25 Germany 0:28:00 Greece 0:08:03 Huns 0:20:36 Inca 2:55:10 India 1:19:31 Indonesia 1:10:17 Intro 0:00 Iroquois 2:06:54 Japan 2:43:23 Korea 3:14:04 Maya 2:50:53 Mongolia 1:25:29 Morocco 0:04:54 Netherlands 3:49:44 Ottomans 3:24:37 Outro 4:01:18 Persia 0:49:01 Poland 0:38:31 Polynesia 2:18:59 Portugal 2:23:07 Rome 0:24:57 Russia 0:44:20 Shoshone 3:03:53 Siam 3:09:57 Songhai 0:18:01 Spain 2:14:17 Sweden 1:34:20 Venice 1:07:59 Zulu 3:18:18
It takes massive confidence and patience to film a 4 hour video explaining stuff in one sitting, and I saw no editing. You could be a Civ 5 professor, and a good one.
I have 3,500 hours in singleplayer and find myself watching all of these guides and even a few of the full games to prepare. I am looking forward to going into it with some outside knowledge and theory to back me up.
Dude had no idea when he ended the video and took off his headset after talking for four straight hours that he'd made the most popular video of his life 😅
please don't or turn them on for some channels. For channels you like turn off ADblock as it helps your favorite youtubers. something tells me you know this already.
Venice is hilarious, because it goes from being one of the most OP civs in single player (especially if you play on Archipelago or tiny islands) to garbage tier. in multiplayer the AI doesn't ever really mess with trade routes, so late game when you've bought 5-6 city states you can use your extra trade routes to feed population growth to venice itself and bring it to 45+ pop
A sneaky bonus England has in multiplayer - you don't need to use a spy to defend your capital because no one in there right mind tries to steal from England, since you're the most likely to be able to defend it.
i think you should prefer to trade with city states anyway. an island map is of benefit for that. i had a single player game as venice, got koloss and petra(trashed the caravan since i was on an island alone). i had 20 trade routes in the endgame, there were not enough city stated for that many :( it was pretty fun to play. with the tier3 freedom thing i won diplomatic w/o much afford. well, patronage did a thing or two too
Over 4 hours of explanation IN A ROW! Respect man! I've watched the entire video (but 1 hour each day instead of 4 hours straight :p) and I must say it has helped me out a lot. Not only because I know more about pros and cons about the civs now but also because of several tricks you have talked about during this video. Great job man, I love CIV5 and your videos/stream made me love CIV5 even more as you have taught me even more about the game :) Keep it up!!!
Well, when I tackle another project of this size (civ6, perhaps for NQ mod in civ 5), it'll be a playlist with a few civs per video. I was still very new to UA-cam when I first released this. Glad you enjoyed!
+Da Homie "Anymore"? Did there used to be a golden age of UA-cam when creators poured hundreds of hours into their craft -- and did it just because they enjoyed it?
It's crazy how the iroquois could have been tweaked to be a much better civ and they never even bothered to touch it over the two EP's. They could have just applied the Inca hill upgrades to forests and turned the longhouse into a unique lumber mill replacement and it would be a tier two civ easy.
@@randolphvanhook5829 It would give them a nice earlygame, but the mere existence of the longhouse losing the % bonus, by itself, is what makes them extremely bad. Everything else is decent, even just giving that back to them would put them up to T4 imo
Spain is even more insane if you get the _One with Nature_ Pantheon (+4 Faith from Natural Wonders), as *it's Faith gets doubled,* too. The *same* goes true *for* _Natural Heritage Sites'_ *+5 Culture.* So while e.g. the Great Barrier Reef is not that good for other Civs, for Spain with OwN Pantheon and NHS decision in action it's 2 Tiles with 4 Food, 2 Production, 2 Gold, 4 Science, 8 Faith and 10 Culture each. If that is your first (or second) expand, then good night for everyone else 😇 (Yeah I know this vid's 5 years old, idc, maybe this is useful for someone, still 🤷♂️)
I have seriously come back to this video a dozen or more times to give me general impressions before picking civs, or when evaluating opponents in my strategies. Hugely valuable resource -- thanks for the great work Filthy.
What a star. Thank you so much. Just bought Civ V - after being a fan of Civ II for decades - and struggling to get my head around all the complexities. Your videos are astonishingly thorough and you present them with real skill.
Hi, again, FR, I was able to follow your directions to your Twitch page, and down to yur files section, and on to your Google Drive. I was able to add your public Civ 5 and X-Com guides to my own drive. That's something of a minor miracle for me, as I didn't grow up with computers. I gained experience points in real life! Thanks!
Hey Filthy, just started playing Civ5 (played Civ4 in my childhood) and just discovered your channel about a month ago. I must say, you offer the videos with the best insights and analysis out there. I highly appreciate you man, especially as a beginner who's just starting out. I see the all the expertise and dedication poured into these videos Not everyone may remember you and your channel, but we in the Civ5 community surely will forever, Legend.
Excellent, in-depth video. Had to watch in two parts but very useful - thanks for making this and no-doubt ageing your throat by about 20 years! This guide plus the Wonder tier list, Early Game, Religion guide and a few others have really improved my game play and enjoyment dramatically. I have a few "filthy casual" friends that also like to play Civ V, and I want them to improve as well, have you ever planned to do smaller, bite-sized guides for the more attention challenged amongst us? Unfortunately my usual "Here check out this FIlthy Robot Guide" is often greeted with "Four hours? F*ck off". I would make my own but I lack your majestic beard which confers a sense of wisdom and knowledge that baby-faced people simply cannot pull off. Again, thanks for sharing your knowledge with everyone.
FilthyRobot I wouldn't mind seeing something like that, I like to play on the normal difficulty on sp and usually struggle with my happiness.... I'm not very good at the game xD
i like playing single player so i can in a way just role play and create my own scenarios in my head without having to worry about human players just rushing to victory. yes i am casual no die player here. my preferred factions are England and Rome.
I'm watching this for 40 minutes now and just realized it's a 4 hours video...well its midnight atm so I will finish watching this at 3 am just like I play Civ V on other days.
On Songhai, 20:15, his mud pyramid can also be stacked with temple anhancer belfies. So you can have a mud pyramid with 4+ culture, 2+ faith and 2+ happines.
Great video, thanks for this. I think you have underrated the Iroquois though. Swordsmen that don't require Iron are very cool, and you'll be teching that way anyway to get the longhouse which is also better than you give it credit for. Especially if you go liberty and have many cities with a few forests the +1 hammer per forest ends up being many more hammers than the percentage bonus would give, at least for a very good chunk of the game, and it comes fairly early. I definitely have not played 3300 hours though. Also as Byzantium I almost always take Defender of the Faith with the bonus belief (even though Byzantium already is great defensively - Cataphracts can indeed fortify and you can stack an archer and a dromon on each city) but you can do lots of other cool things like Religious Texts and Itinerant Preachers, or World Church and Tithe, etc. In general I don't like the idea of taking a follower belief with the bonus, when founder and enhancer beliefs are potentially stronger and only benefit you rather than the civs you spread your religion to. After all you already get two follower beliefs, but nobody else can get two enhancers.
FilthyRobot This is one thing to keep in mind. Filthy's guides are biased to the way he typically plays i.e. tall/tradition and avoid military when possible. This is fine if you look at Civ as just trying to stay relevant and going for a late game win. But the Civs UAs are designed to give more varied strategies (albeit predominately singleplayer) and each have their own play styles.
I agree. Try playing single city games with venice or some lower rated civs on an small islands map and the situation changes completely or how about a terra map and starting as polynesia? Use less citystates and greece is irrelevant or use more cs and siam or mongolia are a real threat! The settings are more important than then anything else, but they are often never changed because the proplayer feel uncomfortible if they cannot use their knowledge for an automatic win anymore.
Kevin Donnelly Also he is mostly playing 6 player real time FFA, fast pace, on Pangea maps, with a whole bunch of basic stuff (like Scholars in Residence!!!) banned - which eliminates a whole bunch of basic FFA tactics - and also Strategic bias on, which taken all together, is a pretty unusual setup imo, forcing everyone to military/pure science; so he is woefully (and deliberately) over- and under-estimating certain Civs.
Gary Bradley Okay, which Civs is he underestimating, and what set-up do you think would be more appropriate? Also, do you personally play competitive multiplayer Civ 5, and if so, what settings do you personally use?
@@simplytom1213 that's pretty much meaningless in the grand scheme of the game compared to bonuses to things like food, science, production, or any other resource. I personally enjoy playing some of the lower tier civs, especially in single player. there's no shame in it
Thank God for someone who actually knows what they are talking about and for taking clearly so much time and effort to make a cohesive Civ 5 tier list. I swear every other video on this is some edgy teen who just picks their favorite civ and calls it even. I really appreciate the video man.
+John Smith Exactly what i was thinking at the very first video i watched from him ^^ I finally move out from Dota2 for something else, and for now it's Civ 5 !
This post may be coming late, but Civ 5 is still a great game to play, especially with all the Mods. Additionally, I like these videos, and find them helpful. I would like to add my two cents based on what I learned from these videos and my experience playing. I personally do not feel that the unique units are all that important because they are for a limited time, and can be outmatched. I would say they would be the last thing that I would consider. For me, what makes a civ a tier 1 is a good, long-term benefit unique ability, and good unique building. Tier 2 civs probably have a good unique ability, but no unique building, or descent ability and improvement. Tier 3 have a decent ability or building, and the others I didn’t bother with because they are trash. So for example, I do not feel the English are a tier 1, but a tier 3. Their Unique ability is not for Science, Culture, or production. Plus 2 sea movement is only beneficial in warfare, and while it can give you an edge, it may not make a difference against a larger, stronger, or more technologically advanced civ. The same goes for their unique units. They also have no unique building. America on the other hand I rate as a tier 2, as compared to a tier 3. While it has no unique building, I feel its unique ability is much underrated. Being able to purchase tiles, which can get expensive, at 50% reduced costs is huge. You can grow your cities faster. Gain access to tiles with Science, Culture, gold or production bonuses. Block other players from settling or taking land that you want. The increased production and money saved or gained can be used to purchase buildings. I also feel the Romans are much underrated for similar reasons. In my opinion, I rank bonuses that affect Science, Culture, production and growth high compared to ones related to warfare. If you are at war all the time you are in trouble. The following is how I would rank the civs based on their unique ability and unique building. Tier1 • Babylonian: Great unique ability bonus for science. Babylonian Walls are take less time to build, and add 50 additional; hit points for your city. Walls. • Egyptian: Plus 20% production for Wonder construction is huge. It’s not restricted to one city. You could dominate Wonder construction, and boosts so many other aspects of your civ, Science, Culture, Happiness, etc. The Temple replacement gives you +2 Happiness and no maintenance costs! • Korean: No unique building, but their unique ability more than makes up for that. Huge Science bonus. • Mayan: Good unique ability, but their Shrine replacement is phenomenal. • Persian: Fantastic unique ability and unique building. • Polish: Filthy is right about the Polish. Their unique ability is game changing, and their Stable replacement makes it long-term worth building Stables, which I never do. Tier2 • American: Great unique ability. • Arabian: Good unique ability and building. The focus is on gold and resources, but that can translate into purchasing buildings or tiles, which in turn means boosting Science, Culture, production, growing your cities, Also, resources for trade and military units. • Brazilian: Descent unique ability, but the Brazilwood Camp unique improvement is great. • Moroccan: Descent ability for increasing Culture and gold, and an improvement that makes desert tiles beneficial. • Roman: Were so underrated. No unique building, but their unique ability is awesome. Your capital is usually more developed than your other cities. So they should be ahead in constructing buildings. And if anything, you could purchase the building in your capital. A +25% on all buildings, in all cities, throughout the game is a game changer. The time saved gives you an edge in Science, Culture, gold, production, population growth. The only reason they are not a tier 1 is because they do not have a unique building. • Russian: Their unique ability is boosting important strategic resource, which is good for trade and supporting military units. Their Barracks replacement, which should be built anyways, is good. Tier3 • Celtic: Their unique building is a good Happiness boost, but their ability is not that great. Forests are not that beneficial. Unless a city is hurting for production shields, it’s better to replace forest with farms, mines, or quarries. • English: Already talked about. No bonuses to Science, Culture, production, gold, or growth. One extra spy is good, that is the main reason they aren’t ranked lower. • Ethiopian: The only reason they are tier 3 is because of the monument replacement which could allow you to dominate Faith production. • German: The only reason they are tier 3 is because you can save a lot of gold with their unique ability throughout the game, which can be used on other things. • Incan: They could be a tier 4 or lower, but their unique ability and improvement is better than others I would rank lower. • Ottoman: No unique building. Their unique ability is slightly better than Germany for saving money, although I don’t get into naval production until mid-game. The only reason they are ranked lower is because the remainder of the civs abilities are trash in comparison.
Quite a bit of filthy's ratings have to do with the way he plays multiplayer. Namely, simultaneous turns, and people abusing the crap out of it by taking 2 turns with a unit back-to-back. Basically, poor-mans-starcraft combat. This gives a huge advantage to units that are fast, ranged, or, ideally, both. So any civ with a UU that is one of those 9 units that are the only units that are used (partially because of a badly designed tech tree, but mostly because of degenerate gameplay caused by simultaneous turns), that automatically gives that civ 2 tiers over everyone else. Another thing that causes degenerate gameplay is Quick speed. The game wasn't initially balanced around Quick, and that shows.
You know it's a long video when you're in natural light at the start of the video and slowly descend into darkness. Great video, well worth the 4 hours, I learned a lot. Cheers mate!
When speaking about Sweden you said that it is almost impossible for your great generals to keep up with the Hakkapeliita. One of this unit's bonuses is that if a great general begins a turn stacked with a Hakkapeliita, the lancer's movement is transferred to that great general, meaning it can always keep pace. It is actually incredibly easy to take advantage of the improved general bonus because of this, and is hardly useless. That said, the lancer class of units is still largely unhelpful in most situations.
+Michael Voloshin It is depending on the situation, remember even though it's best not to/can't hard buy buildings (much better spent on City States imo) you will still need a decent income to manage building/unit maintenance. Exploration is really meh, while just opening Commerce is fine imo.
+FilthyRobot Incredible guide, as a new player to civ this is the most quick and dirty yet comprehensively knowledgeable guide I could ask for. Subscribed and devouring more of your content sir.
Mate i subbed Just due to the amount of effort you put into making these videos the amount of time to construct this list is insane keep up the good work man
this may be the first video I find on youtube this long that isn't a music being replayed for 10 hours. I thought this video was a compilation with all major civs themes and I was already going to comment that finally I would not need to use a playlist.
Just wanted to say I have watched this video at least 10 to 20 times. Thanks to filfthy robot, I have enjoyed this game for over 5486 hours. 3000 of those hours are ofcourse thanks too the lekmod. Now on version 31.3 I think. God bless filfthy and this community.
On the Ottoman segment where you mentioned all the naval units you forgot about the ironclad. The ironclad also doesn't see much play but i'd argue that the Ottoman passive is more useful there than on the destroyer since you can do high damage to leftover frigates and potentially capture them. The ironclad also comes at a good point in the tech tree, and sometimes you can build them with your leftover coal to harass coastal players or take out some old Frigates.
The problem with the Iroquois bonus is that you have to OWN the tile in order for it to work as a city connector. Early game it is useless because typically your borders are further separated from one another and late game when your borders do expand you would have already removed the forest/jungle tiles for improvements anyway. You can buy the necessary tiles early game to get the connection but it defeats the purpose of the bonus which is to save gold maintaining a road
Jekk I started a game with Venice and by turn 70, Japan had overwhelmed me with it's military and I lost. If you start close to a civ with high production, you're fucked.
Interesting. I'm a new player and you certainly opened my eyes when it comes to Japan, my favourite Civ to play. I don't know though, somehow it just feels good to get that culture from your boats...
Notch Jonson I really liked Japan's ability, but maybe that's because I don't have a good sense of when to retreat. It's pretty good for that, because you don't get punished for attacking with a damaged unit. The extra culture is nice, but their is a better war-like culture civ; The Aztecs are amazing for getting culture, and since they get culture based on the killed enemy's combat strength, it actually scales as time runs on.
Great guide, like always. Filthy's insight on the civs and their strengths is always welcome. What's funny, though, is that you can very clearly see the sun setting as you skip about in the video.
Yes. If you do the more important buildings (I say the ones that lead to either a National Wonder, military promotions and production), you can really get ahead.
Problem is you're unlikely to have the gold if you go the militaristic liberty route that Rome is geared for and not really be able to hard build everything in the capital either and if you go tradition their bonus is pretty underwhelming anyways so either way it's just a pretty moot bonus. Both of their unique units are just replacements for bad units too. Legions have some cool abilities but they're swordsman replacements which is one of the most unusable units in the game and ballistae are catapult replacements... Nuff said about them. Rome is honestly in my opinion one of the worst civs in the game, they're very close to just being generic, which is unfortunate because the bonus on paper sounds really amazing.
@@rheiagreenland4714 Hey, "close to being generic" still ranks them above the actually generic ones (like France) and the worse than generic ones (Iroquois, Venice.)
i find your videos amazing. the length and depth are what i have been looking for.I played civ 2 on playstation for countless hours then did some civ 3.Thank god for your clarity and no music in your videos an thank you for taking the time to share.I find my single player game more enjoyable now and i went ahead and bought brave new world bundle off steam.Good job man!
Excellent list, with great justifications - you really changed my opinion of the Netherlands, which I used to consider a reasonably strong civ, and really increased my opinion of the Zulus and Byzantium, which I thought of more as "for fun" civs.
Wow.. you should write a book. I don't play multi, but some facts really fascinate me. Like how people rush you if you're playing Mongol or Arabia (several players at once without even a coalition!) and how people move cities away from the coast if England is in the game. I had no idea marshes disappear when nuked. It seems you've been through every scenario possible.
Thank you, so much, for all the time and effort you put into this video. A friend of mine, who's making a great start with Civ 5, says he owes most of what he knows to UA-cam videos, and he especially recommended yours. I look forward to watching the rest. I'm glad I have been able to set aside the time, on a sick day, getting over a cold. I have only one minor criticism, and I owe my ability to spot this one mistake to growing up around aviation history, because of my jet fighter pilot father. Triplanes upgrade to fighters, not to bombers. I don't know how much that changes your analysis of the promotion path(s) for the American B-17 bomber replacement. You did such a good job of laying out all the options, of saying what actually helps in myltiplayer free-for-all games, that we all should be able to figure out the rest.
+FilthyRobot woooo! I've played about 250 hours, thinking of getting into No Quitters multiplayer. I should probably play the single player mode more though, still can only beat king difficulty. I'm bad, I build catapults, warriors, and just automate workers in mid-late game because I get bored having to give them orders.
Scott Leong Jumping in and losing is going to help you learn the quickest. Some SP skill translates to MP, but lots of Mp stuff needs to be learned either the hard way or through guide/let's play videos! If you have the time and interest, I'd suggest joining the NQ group and diving in!
Well Filthy, I found you tonight and impressed with your work. I'm saying goodbye to sleep tonight and I'm gunna watch 4 hours. I know it will be worth it. Keep up the great work man!
You know man, as a civ player that can match your hours, this has to be the most fair and informational video I've watched- and I watch every let's play I can find to help garner better deity skill. It's interesting to read the multiplayer perspective when I'm single player only (Assyria being the biggest disparity for me, needing to catch up on techs early is so huge and since food is king the low production makes it hard), but all around this guide is damn helpful. Great job Filthy. Edit - You claimed to link a list on start bias in the description, think you forgot it. It's easy to find online, but ya =) -Nattfari
You totally forgot to mention that both conquistadors and songhai's unique cavalry have no city attack penalty. So u can use them as capturers more efficiently.
+BOOMbarash5000 But you shouldn't be slamming into a city if it has HP left, maybe in some situations when you just can't get it to 0 health but it's like 10 or some dumb amount left, maybe then it might matter, but in any other situation, it won't matter unless in MP
There are is actually a benefits to having cavalry with attack bonusses against cities. You dont have to carry around melee units towards cities. You can keep that cavalry tucked away and capture the city when it has low enough health. A lot of players do that. But with for example mandekalu cavalty you can do that sooner than normal cavalry because you deal more damage thus you can take a city that has more health left than when you would normally attack it with a regular cavalry unit. Its not super powerful but it is useful in my opinion.
But the city attack penalty was already completely inconsequential because melee units should never be attacking a city unless it is to capture it anyway. Cavalry are actually the best at capturing cities because their movement lets them not die while you bombard it and not block up space for archers and stuff, they can just casually waltz into a city on 0 health from 3 tiles away regardless of if their combat strength is 3 or 30
Loved the video Filthy very much appreciated. Chu Ko Nus can get logistics, but can only fire 3 times if you're Persia in a golden age and have been gifted them (CS or otherwise), the chances of this are incredibly low and even then almost not worth it when you could get +1 range but it's still quite interesting.
Since Indonesia is currently my favorite civ to play as I can confirm that u need to settle on three different islands/continents to get the full bonus (not 3 cities on 1 landmass). I find the best way to use this bonus is to settle on 1 tile islands with lots of sea resources. Indonesia has nutmeg, cloves, and peppers as their unique luxuries and cannot be gained any other way by non-indonesian players except through trade or conquering the islands.
Indonesia is really disproportionately good on archipelago like maps and bad on normal continents or pangaea which is honestly pretty cool but also annoying
Three civs on here I see as underrated: Celts, Siam and Morocco. Celts just get a guarenteed religion and first pantheon, which is just too valuable. There is no civ that can outpace Celts for Pantheon if they have forest, which is 99% of their games. Lots of Faith can become exceedingly valuable for late-game science, so any civ that gets a religion "for free" is a welcome bonus. They don't have to work torwards a religion at all, they basically just get one, and this means they can actively focus attention and time elsewhere while still generating a bomb-ass religion. Siam, I just feel like people are too quick to dismiss the bonuses as "win more" and fail to recognize how Siam can help you more than usual in various ways. Say for example (keyword: merely an example to get the point across) Siam secures a culture city-state as an ally, and two other city-states have quests to award the most culture. If Siam and Greece both have one city-state ally that awards culture, Siam is going to win, that will secure two new allies, and it snowballs from there. There is loads of potential for Siam to snowball, and even in their games where a snowball doesn't happen, Maritime civs can keep them up to speed with science. I've had games where I thought I got nothing on Siam, then realized I had the best science simply because the few civ-state alliances I had were Maritime. People call it situational, and yes, the EXACT bonus is situational, but all it takes is one ally and Siam can either specialize itself for faith, culture, science/population, or military. And yes, they have the biggest snowball in the game; the most policies I've ever had with a civ was with Siam. THIS is the ultimate culture civ even if it's not specifically geared towards culture. And lastly, Morocco. This one was unexpected for me, but I think it has to do with Morocco encouraging solid strats that most people aren't going for. If you compete for a popular wonder, there's a risk there. I feel Morocco is just the right level of encouraging you to walk your "own path" so you don't have to worry about competition, whilst also offering a viable strat. Morocco, for me, tends to be strong in faith, wealth and wonders like Petra. (doesn't have to go out of it's way and "risk" making a Petra-geared city, but rather starts with one) Make a shrine, get Desert Pantheon, then focus on rushing Petra. Income stays healthy, faith stays healthy, and even if you aren't directly competing for science and pop, you can recover later thanks to your wealth and faith. It also feels like it keeps a target off your back because for much of the game you aren't BLATANTLY the big threat, but rather you very slowly develop into one. I absolutely did not expect Morocco to be good, but I always have good performances with it, and I think this has to be attributed to the fact it has the tools for a more unique approach to a victory, but it's still a very viable strat that gets underestimated more often.
As some one who is planning on buying a computer and Civilization V soon this video was a great help. for now I just flipped through to hear your opinions on my favorites is once I've bought civilization 5 I'll watch the entire thing. Thank you!
Thank you for making this video. It's clear you put a lot of effort into it. The 4 hour length could have been a detriment but you added organized time stamps which corrects that. The tier sheet was also very helpful. Most of the tier lists I see are focused entirely on single player, so a thorough multiplayer guide is a great asset. I also appreciate that the clean language you use. Plenty of videos today have countless F bombs but you don't. Kudos for that.
I watched whole video and i tought that you are like a teacher of the civ with good opinions of your own with every civ in the game. I liked the video and i did learn many new things about some specific civs that i havent really played so much with yet. Anyways I enjoyed your guide and i have to say that keep good work up and your civ fans amused aswell, thumbs up m8 take care! ^^
Would you give France a higher tier if it had the pre nerf stats? (2 culture per city before discovering Steam Power and the Foreign legions instead of the chateau)
UA-cam requires that to add chapters to the video playback you need the timestamps in sequential order. I've edited that in the description but figured some of you might want to still be able to search by topic, so here are the civilizations in alphabetical order with timestamps as well.
America 3:39:35
Arabia 1:59:26
Assyria 0:12:34
Austria 2:28:44
Aztec 2:33:49
Babylon 2:39:25
Brazil 2:59:37
Byzantium 3:34:27
Carthage 0:52:37
Celts 0:34:33
China 3:58:04
Denmark 1:52:32
Egypt 3:06:59
England 0:59:45
Ethiopia 1:46:19
France 2:36:25
Germany 0:28:00
Greece 0:08:03
Huns 0:20:36
Inca 2:55:10
India 1:19:31
Indonesia 1:10:17
Intro 0:00
Iroquois 2:06:54
Japan 2:43:23
Korea 3:14:04
Maya 2:50:53
Mongolia 1:25:29
Morocco 0:04:54
Netherlands 3:49:44
Ottomans 3:24:37
Outro 4:01:18
Persia 0:49:01
Poland 0:38:31
Polynesia 2:18:59
Portugal 2:23:07
Rome 0:24:57
Russia 0:44:20
Shoshone 3:03:53
Siam 3:09:57
Songhai 0:18:01
Spain 2:14:17
Sweden 1:34:20
Venice 1:07:59
Zulu 3:18:18
Thanks
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@@FilthyRobot why :( ur civ content was the best
Thanks for staying active around here. Always loved your civ content, and will always enjoy it!
"You cant defend against Camel Archers because cities cant run"
-Filthy 2015
+SkullMaster1993 Maybe some day we'll have a pirate civ with a mobile capital.
+SoulerVids would have been a great idea for beyond earth
+SoulerVids And that's how you started playing Endless Legend ;)
SkullMaster1993 Roving Clans FTW
endless legend is amazing, civ 5 too, i love the heroes 3 too, very good games indeed.
It takes massive confidence and patience to film a 4 hour video explaining stuff in one sitting, and I saw no editing.
You could be a Civ 5 professor, and a good one.
-getting ready to play civ 5
-what civ to choose?
-watches 4 hours of a whole detailed tier list on every civ in the game
One day I will finish this video and then I will be the master of Civ 5
Ok finished it, great vid!
This comment is so fun to me, I have watched this and all his other guides 4-5 times, still not a civ 5 master
you've han't watched it hard enough.
Emil Jörgensen watch it in deity thank me later haha
Cameron lmv
Years later the value of your videos can not be understated. 1500 hours under my belt and this was incredibly enlightening to no end
Thanks!
@@FilthyRobot I affirm his sentiments.
I have 3,500 hours in singleplayer and find myself watching all of these guides and even a few of the full games to prepare. I am looking forward to going into it with some outside knowledge and theory to back me up.
1:23:00 - "I'm gonna put some elephants down your throat, and you're not gonna like that" - FilthyRobot, 2015.
Yeah, he said exactly that
@@razhmazh wdym
Dude had no idea when he ended the video and took off his headset after talking for four straight hours that he'd made the most popular video of his life 😅
4 hours vid, 2 ads
10 Minutes, 4 ads in a Dude Perfect video
wat
please don't or turn them on for some channels. For channels you like turn off ADblock as it helps your favorite youtubers.
something tells me you know this already.
Adblock blocks everything tho
Wobben Buffet i just have it turned off for youtube but to each his own
eh, my time isnt worth the extra buck they get from me having it enabled
Yes the WAT is a good building
Venice is hilarious, because it goes from being one of the most OP civs in single player (especially if you play on Archipelago or tiny islands) to garbage tier. in multiplayer
the AI doesn't ever really mess with trade routes, so late game when you've bought 5-6 city states you can use your extra trade routes to feed population growth to venice itself and bring it to 45+ pop
You also can make about 1000 gold per turn in single player and buy the most ridiculous of navys
@@doncorleole2356 Not to mention that those city state gifted units really stack up by the late game
@@trequor true, I once exceeded my supply limit (I didn’t even know something like that existed up until then)
@@doncorleole2356 Haha nothing funnier than getting "Attila is Afraid of You" messages as Venice because your military score is so high haha
Ai players might not care about trade routes... barbs however love them, especially sea trade routes
note: if you have fun playing tier 4-6 civs keep doing so.
as long as there is no irl money on the line its all about having fun.
Ggcpres Winning could also be considered fun
Matthew Batthew ur mom is also considered fun
Being irrelevant in a 6-player game is not fun at all, stop with this mentality
No don't play tier 6 civs in multiplayer unless you are better then the people you play against and just want to have fun
Ggcpres I don’t like me for many reasons that is one of them.
A sneaky bonus England has in multiplayer - you don't need to use a spy to defend your capital because no one in there right mind tries to steal from England, since you're the most likely to be able to defend it.
I see your point, but it may still be safe to just keep one. I feel like it may be too risky.
Venice: A broken piece of shit in single player, but just a piece of shit in multiplayer.
+Nit Picker Wouldn't a broken piece of shit be worse?
+Gene Starwind In single player it's brokenly good
famguy 210 Every damn time I play venice the other civilizations aren't close enough to trade with.
i think you should prefer to trade with city states anyway. an island map is of benefit for that. i had a single player game as venice, got koloss and petra(trashed the caravan since i was on an island alone). i had 20 trade routes in the endgame, there were not enough city stated for that many :( it was pretty fun to play.
with the tier3 freedom thing i won diplomatic w/o much afford. well, patronage did a thing or two too
I just won a singleplayer game as Venice, and you definitely need to build caravansaries and seaports to extend trade range.
Over 4 hours of explanation IN A ROW! Respect man! I've watched the entire video (but 1 hour each day instead of 4 hours straight :p) and I must say it has helped me out a lot. Not only because I know more about pros and cons about the civs now but also because of several tricks you have talked about during this video. Great job man, I love CIV5 and your videos/stream made me love CIV5 even more as you have taught me even more about the game :)
Keep it up!!!
+moepskie I love how it gets gradualy darker in the room as the video progresses ;)
+Kråka I was just about to comment that, this is a real display of true passion
+Kråka Lol! True, didn't notice that until I compared the start of the vid with the end xD
Michael Blankenship f
moepskie i
Favorite part of the video was the sunlight going out over the course of the whole thing.
+DruidCityComic It was a monster!
Spent a lot of time making this video and you spoke very well. Thanks for that, you dont see this kind of stuff on youtube anymore
Well, when I tackle another project of this size (civ6, perhaps for NQ mod in civ 5), it'll be a playlist with a few civs per video. I was still very new to UA-cam when I first released this. Glad you enjoyed!
The full video with the timestamp is great though
+Da Homie "Anymore"? Did there used to be a golden age of UA-cam when creators poured hundreds of hours into their craft -- and did it just because they enjoyed it?
J.J. Shank less commercialisation not sure about effort though
Didnt you get bored of looking at the select a civ screen for 4 hours?
It's his kink
Intro 0:00
America 3:39:35
Arabia 1:59:26
Assyria 12:34
Austria 2:28:44
Aztec 2:33:49
Babylon 2:39:25
Brazil 2:59:37
Byzantium 3:34:27
Carthage 52:37
Celts 34:33
China 3:58:04
Denmark 1:52:32
Egypt 3:06:59
England 59:45
Ethiopia 1:46:19
France 2:36:25
Germany 28:00
Greece 8:03
Huns 20:36
Inca 2:55:10
India 1:19:31
Indonesia 1:10:17
Iroquois 2:06:54
Japan 2:43:23
Korea 3:14:04
Maya 2:50:53
Mongolia 1:25:29
Morocco 4:54
Netherlands 3:49:44
Ottomans 3:24:37
Persia 49:01
Poland 38:31
Polynesia 2:18:59
Portugal 2:23:07
Rome 24:57
Russia 44:20
Shoshone 3:03:53
Siam 3:09:57
Songhai 18:01
Spain 2:14:17
Sweden 1:34:20
Venice 1:07:59
Zulu 3:18:18
Outro 4:01:18
I still come back to this sometimes just cause I like listening to an expert talk about something they have expertise in
Filthy is tier 1.
Filthy isn't a Civ... XD
Any Civ Filthy plays as is instantly bumped up two tiers and sometimes even up to 4 tiers (see his Venice game). ^^
+Radicaldanny no filthy is tier 0!!
Carlos Valenzuela
That doesn't even make sense! :\
:P
+Radicaldanny hi I'm Radicaldanny welcome to the no fun zone
Of course sips would pick Venice.
Ikr
They should make a challenge where everyone has to play as Venice and there are no City-States. See how that pans out.
+The Audiosurfer so...one city challange than? lol
lol70721 Sort of but without the advantages some nations have.
The Audiosurfer Free great Merchant at optics?
no city states
Imagine if it was domination victory only.
It's crazy how the iroquois could have been tweaked to be a much better civ and they never even bothered to touch it over the two EP's. They could have just applied the Inca hill upgrades to forests and turned the longhouse into a unique lumber mill replacement and it would be a tier two civ easy.
I feel like the Pathfinder unit the Shoshone have was meant to be an Iroquois. That alone would make them playable at least.
@@randolphvanhook5829 It would give them a nice earlygame, but the mere existence of the longhouse losing the % bonus, by itself, is what makes them extremely bad. Everything else is decent, even just giving that back to them would put them up to T4 imo
Day 3: He has reached the Ottomans. The journey has been long and difficult, but the end is in sight.
Great video, very informative. SeemsGood
Spain is even more insane if you get the _One with Nature_ Pantheon (+4 Faith from Natural Wonders), as *it's Faith gets doubled,* too.
The *same* goes true *for* _Natural Heritage Sites'_ *+5 Culture.*
So while e.g. the Great Barrier Reef is not that good for other Civs, for Spain with OwN Pantheon and NHS decision in action it's 2 Tiles with 4 Food, 2 Production, 2 Gold, 4 Science, 8 Faith and 10 Culture each.
If that is your first (or second) expand, then good night for everyone else 😇
(Yeah I know this vid's 5 years old, idc, maybe this is useful for someone, still 🤷♂️)
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Also, sometimes fish or other sea resources spawn on the great barrier reef, which makes it even more insane as your spain ability doubles it
Filthy should be a dev for civilization 6 xD
or a member of their Q&A team
I really hope you know how much of a legend you are to the civ community
I have seriously come back to this video a dozen or more times to give me general impressions before picking civs, or when evaluating opponents in my strategies. Hugely valuable resource -- thanks for the great work Filthy.
What a star. Thank you so much. Just bought Civ V - after being a fan of Civ II for decades - and struggling to get my head around all the complexities. Your videos are astonishingly thorough and you present them with real skill.
+NathanRuzzock Thanks for the kind words, I hope you enjoy the game, I think it is fantastic!
Good stuff, your channel is criminally undersubbed considering the quality and effort you put into vidsl ike this
Hi, again, FR,
I was able to follow your directions to your Twitch page, and down to yur files section, and on to your Google Drive. I was able to add your public Civ 5 and X-Com guides to my own drive. That's something of a minor miracle for me, as I didn't grow up with computers. I gained experience points in real life! Thanks!
Glad to hear!
Another benefit from the Chu-Ko-Nu attacking twice is that you'll get other upgrades faster.
I like how you said that minutemen can be used more heavily as a desperation thing, I thought how appropriate based on historical info.
Venice had a better chance of winning when it was a cs in gods and kings xD
Bro really talked passionately for over 4 hours about civ 5. ...And i listened to the whole thing
Absolutely fantastic video. I cannot thank you enough for this. Well done!!
Hey Filthy, just started playing Civ5 (played Civ4 in my childhood) and just discovered your channel about a month ago. I must say, you offer the videos with the best insights and analysis out there. I highly appreciate you man, especially as a beginner who's just starting out. I see the all the expertise and dedication poured into these videos
Not everyone may remember you and your channel, but we in the Civ5 community surely will forever, Legend.
Excellent, in-depth video.
Had to watch in two parts but very useful - thanks for making this and no-doubt ageing your throat by about 20 years!
This guide plus the Wonder tier list, Early Game, Religion guide and a few others have really improved my game play and enjoyment dramatically.
I have a few "filthy casual" friends that also like to play Civ V, and I want them to improve as well, have you ever planned to do smaller, bite-sized guides for the more attention challenged amongst us?
Unfortunately my usual "Here check out this FIlthy Robot Guide" is often greeted with "Four hours? F*ck off".
I would make my own but I lack your majestic beard which confers a sense of wisdom and knowledge that baby-faced people simply cannot pull off.
Again, thanks for sharing your knowledge with everyone.
Maybe I'll see if the fans are interested in a very short "noob guide" guides that are less in depth and more prescriptive.
FilthyRobot I wouldn't mind seeing something like that, I like to play on the normal difficulty on sp and usually struggle with my happiness.... I'm not very good at the game xD
FilthyRobot Definately! I can only play as one civ (babylon) using the great library rush on prince. :|
i like playing single player so i can in a way just role play and create my own scenarios in my head without having to worry about human players just rushing to victory. yes i am casual no die player here. my preferred factions are England and Rome.
You articulated everything wonderfully... I learned more in 4 hrs then I did in 300 hrs of playing against the ai.
Thanks for the vids!
I'm watching this for 40 minutes now and just realized it's a 4 hours video...well its midnight atm so I will finish watching this at 3 am just like I play Civ V on other days.
+Lukas Netzker That's the spirit!
On Songhai, 20:15, his mud pyramid can also be stacked with temple anhancer belfies. So you can have a mud pyramid with 4+ culture, 2+ faith and 2+ happines.
Great video, thanks for this.
I think you have underrated the Iroquois though. Swordsmen that don't require Iron are very cool, and you'll be teching that way anyway to get the longhouse which is also better than you give it credit for. Especially if you go liberty and have many cities with a few forests the +1 hammer per forest ends up being many more hammers than the percentage bonus would give, at least for a very good chunk of the game, and it comes fairly early. I definitely have not played 3300 hours though.
Also as Byzantium I almost always take Defender of the Faith with the bonus belief (even though Byzantium already is great defensively - Cataphracts can indeed fortify and you can stack an archer and a dromon on each city) but you can do lots of other cool things like Religious Texts and Itinerant Preachers, or World Church and Tithe, etc. In general I don't like the idea of taking a follower belief with the bonus, when founder and enhancer beliefs are potentially stronger and only benefit you rather than the civs you spread your religion to. After all you already get two follower beliefs, but nobody else can get two enhancers.
Bizud Liberty Iroquois is an interesting idea. Perhaps we'll try it at some point.
FilthyRobot This is one thing to keep in mind. Filthy's guides are biased to the way he typically plays i.e. tall/tradition and avoid military when possible. This is fine if you look at Civ as just trying to stay relevant and going for a late game win.
But the Civs UAs are designed to give more varied strategies (albeit predominately singleplayer) and each have their own play styles.
I agree. Try playing single city games with venice or some lower rated civs on an small islands map and the situation changes completely or how about a terra map and starting as polynesia? Use less citystates and greece is irrelevant or use more cs and siam or mongolia are a real threat! The settings are more important than then anything else, but they are often never changed because the proplayer feel uncomfortible if they cannot use their knowledge for an automatic win anymore.
Kevin Donnelly Also he is mostly playing 6 player real time FFA, fast pace, on Pangea maps, with a whole bunch of basic stuff (like Scholars in Residence!!!) banned - which eliminates a whole bunch of basic FFA tactics - and also Strategic bias on, which taken all together, is a pretty unusual setup imo, forcing everyone to military/pure science; so he is woefully (and deliberately) over- and under-estimating certain Civs.
Gary Bradley Okay, which Civs is he underestimating, and what set-up do you think would be more appropriate? Also, do you personally play competitive multiplayer Civ 5, and if so, what settings do you personally use?
I love how you can see the room slowly get darker and darker as time goes on.
I love you for marking the different places for each nation, thank you!
+*\\ ALIEN //* Good! It's supposed to be an easy reference guide!
Tom Do
No, not really.
@@simplytom1213 that's pretty much meaningless in the grand scheme of the game compared to bonuses to things like food, science, production, or any other resource. I personally enjoy playing some of the lower tier civs, especially in single player. there's no shame in it
Just sayin Morocco, Desert Folklore, Petra and Kasbah is pretty good usually :D
Yes, but those are so extremely situational that it doesn't warrant picking them normally. I've knocked heads with Morocco, though.
Thank God for someone who actually knows what they are talking about and for taking clearly so much time and effort to make a cohesive Civ 5 tier list. I swear every other video on this is some edgy teen who just picks their favorite civ and calls it even. I really appreciate the video man.
Filthyrobot=The Purge of Civilization 5
+John Smith they are both like teachers to us all, even veteran players, because they pay attention to a lot of details that i just don't give a fuck.
Renan
Agreed.
Filthyrobot: the B4nny of Civ5
+John Smith Exactly what i was thinking at the very first video i watched from him ^^
I finally move out from Dota2 for something else, and for now it's Civ 5 !
+Jett TheDoctor
the master of the meta
b4nny in tf2
Filthy in Civ5
Have I just stumbled on the Smogon of Civ 5? O_o
You have no idea.
competitive pokemon
Basically ruined the game because there are 700 Pokemons and everyone runs the same 20 "top tier" ones
No it split pokemon into tiers so your all your favourites are still viable in different meta games
+Nepu-Tech USA without smogon have fun constantly playing mega kanghaskan every match you play
This shit took me days to watch
ikr
Indeed, and still watching from time to time for specific civs
I marathon'd it.
Noob, I did it in one go.
Yeah, but then I always want to restart my games to make good my mistakes :/
This post may be coming late, but Civ 5 is still a great game to play, especially with all the Mods. Additionally, I like these videos, and find them helpful. I would like to add my two cents based on what I learned from these videos and my experience playing. I personally do not feel that the unique units are all that important because they are for a limited time, and can be outmatched. I would say they would be the last thing that I would consider. For me, what makes a civ a tier 1 is a good, long-term benefit unique ability, and good unique building. Tier 2 civs probably have a good unique ability, but no unique building, or descent ability and improvement. Tier 3 have a decent ability or building, and the others I didn’t bother with because they are trash. So for example, I do not feel the English are a tier 1, but a tier 3. Their Unique ability is not for Science, Culture, or production. Plus 2 sea movement is only beneficial in warfare, and while it can give you an edge, it may not make a difference against a larger, stronger, or more technologically advanced civ. The same goes for their unique units. They also have no unique building. America on the other hand I rate as a tier 2, as compared to a tier 3. While it has no unique building, I feel its unique ability is much underrated. Being able to purchase tiles, which can get expensive, at 50% reduced costs is huge. You can grow your cities faster. Gain access to tiles with Science, Culture, gold or production bonuses. Block other players from settling or taking land that you want. The increased production and money saved or gained can be used to purchase buildings. I also feel the Romans are much underrated for similar reasons. In my opinion, I rank bonuses that affect Science, Culture, production and growth high compared to ones related to warfare. If you are at war all the time you are in trouble. The following is how I would rank the civs based on their unique ability and unique building.
Tier1
• Babylonian: Great unique ability bonus for science. Babylonian Walls are take less time to build, and add 50 additional; hit points for your city. Walls.
• Egyptian: Plus 20% production for Wonder construction is huge. It’s not restricted to one city. You could dominate Wonder construction, and boosts so many other aspects of your civ, Science, Culture, Happiness, etc. The Temple replacement gives you +2 Happiness and no maintenance costs!
• Korean: No unique building, but their unique ability more than makes up for that. Huge Science bonus.
• Mayan: Good unique ability, but their Shrine replacement is phenomenal.
• Persian: Fantastic unique ability and unique building.
• Polish: Filthy is right about the Polish. Their unique ability is game changing, and their Stable replacement makes it long-term worth building Stables, which I never do.
Tier2
• American: Great unique ability.
• Arabian: Good unique ability and building. The focus is on gold and resources, but that can translate into purchasing buildings or tiles, which in turn means boosting Science, Culture, production, growing your cities, Also, resources for trade and military units.
• Brazilian: Descent unique ability, but the Brazilwood Camp unique improvement is great.
• Moroccan: Descent ability for increasing Culture and gold, and an improvement that makes desert tiles beneficial.
• Roman: Were so underrated. No unique building, but their unique ability is awesome. Your capital is usually more developed than your other cities. So they should be ahead in constructing buildings. And if anything, you could purchase the building in your capital. A +25% on all buildings, in all cities, throughout the game is a game changer. The time saved gives you an edge in Science, Culture, gold, production, population growth. The only reason they are not a tier 1 is because they do not have a unique building.
• Russian: Their unique ability is boosting important strategic resource, which is good for trade and supporting military units. Their Barracks replacement, which should be built anyways, is good.
Tier3
• Celtic: Their unique building is a good Happiness boost, but their ability is not that great. Forests are not that beneficial. Unless a city is hurting for production shields, it’s better to replace forest with farms, mines, or quarries.
• English: Already talked about. No bonuses to Science, Culture, production, gold, or growth. One extra spy is good, that is the main reason they aren’t ranked lower.
• Ethiopian: The only reason they are tier 3 is because of the monument replacement which could allow you to dominate Faith production.
• German: The only reason they are tier 3 is because you can save a lot of gold with their unique ability throughout the game, which can be used on other things.
• Incan: They could be a tier 4 or lower, but their unique ability and improvement is better than others I would rank lower.
• Ottoman: No unique building. Their unique ability is slightly better than Germany for saving money, although I don’t get into naval production until mid-game. The only reason they are ranked lower is because the remainder of the civs abilities are trash in comparison.
Quite a bit of filthy's ratings have to do with the way he plays multiplayer. Namely, simultaneous turns, and people abusing the crap out of it by taking 2 turns with a unit back-to-back. Basically, poor-mans-starcraft combat. This gives a huge advantage to units that are fast, ranged, or, ideally, both. So any civ with a UU that is one of those 9 units that are the only units that are used (partially because of a badly designed tech tree, but mostly because of degenerate gameplay caused by simultaneous turns), that automatically gives that civ 2 tiers over everyone else.
Another thing that causes degenerate gameplay is Quick speed. The game wasn't initially balanced around Quick, and that shows.
i still come back to this video every year or so to help refresh my gameplay
You know it's a long video when you're in natural light at the start of the video and slowly descend into darkness. Great video, well worth the 4 hours, I learned a lot. Cheers mate!
When speaking about Sweden you said that it is almost impossible for your great generals to keep up with the Hakkapeliita. One of this unit's bonuses is that if a great general begins a turn stacked with a Hakkapeliita, the lancer's movement is transferred to that great general, meaning it can always keep pace. It is actually incredibly easy to take advantage of the improved general bonus because of this, and is hardly useless. That said, the lancer class of units is still largely unhelpful in most situations.
SecretAgentC1ank It's rarely possible to hard buy buildings in multiplayer, doubly so in the early game.
+FilthyRobot Why not? What's the ideal use of gold?
Michael Voloshin
You just don't have that quantity of gold in MP. There's no AI to sell lux, iron, and horses to.
+FilthyRobot So is taking exploration and commerce not worth it in MP?
+Michael Voloshin It is depending on the situation, remember even though it's best not to/can't hard buy buildings (much better spent on City States imo) you will still need a decent income to manage building/unit maintenance. Exploration is really meh, while just opening Commerce is fine imo.
+FilthyRobot Incredible guide, as a new player to civ this is the most quick and dirty yet comprehensively knowledgeable guide I could ask for. Subscribed and devouring more of your content sir.
Mate i subbed Just due to the amount of effort you put into making these videos the amount of time to construct this list is insane keep up the good work man
Good shit man. You really have done the research and have all the data nearby to prove or enhance your points. Nice work.
this may be the first video I find on youtube this long that isn't a music being replayed for 10 hours.
I thought this video was a compilation with all major civs themes and I was already going to comment that finally I would not need to use a playlist.
Civ 5 is just special man
Still can’t decide what the GOAT game is Civ 4 or 5
Just wanted to say I have watched this video at least 10 to 20 times. Thanks to filfthy robot, I have enjoyed this game for over 5486 hours. 3000 of those hours are ofcourse thanks too the lekmod. Now on version 31.3 I think. God bless filfthy and this community.
On the Ottoman segment where you mentioned all the naval units you forgot about the ironclad. The ironclad also doesn't see much play but i'd argue that the Ottoman passive is more useful there than on the destroyer since you can do high damage to leftover frigates and potentially capture them. The ironclad also comes at a good point in the tech tree, and sometimes you can build them with your leftover coal to harass coastal players or take out some old Frigates.
I'm glad that you share the love for Inca! It's my favorite civ to play.
Found this from PKA. Watched the whole thing, great video.
+Seamy18 What's PKA?
+Mareythu pain killer already
The problem with the Iroquois bonus is that you have to OWN the tile in order for it to work as a city connector. Early game it is useless because typically your borders are further separated from one another and late game when your borders do expand you would have already removed the forest/jungle tiles for improvements anyway. You can buy the necessary tiles early game to get the connection but it defeats the purpose of the bonus which is to save gold maintaining a road
But I like playing as Venice...
:(
Jekk I started a game with Venice and by turn 70, Japan had overwhelmed me with it's military and I lost.
If you start close to a civ with high production, you're fucked.
Jekk Venice is beastly in single player. In Free-for-all multiplayer, the other players simply won't let you capitalize on your advantages.
TybrosionMojito How does Japan have high Production?
Son do minh They got the mother of all production starts: all hill/grassland tiles with forests and some wheat.
There was no way...
TybrosionMojito Oh ok, i thought you meant the bonuses of Japan grants it good production. I didnt you know you meant a high production start.
Interesting. I'm a new player and you certainly opened my eyes when it comes to Japan, my favourite Civ to play. I don't know though, somehow it just feels good to get that culture from your boats...
Notch Jonson I really liked Japan's ability, but maybe that's because I don't have a good sense of when to retreat. It's pretty good for that, because you don't get punished for attacking with a damaged unit.
The extra culture is nice, but their is a better war-like culture civ; The Aztecs are amazing for getting culture, and since they get culture based on the killed enemy's combat strength, it actually scales as time runs on.
Dezitron the Derp Lion That ability is so good when fighting off barbars early on.
+Notch Jonson its very easy to play Japan... 1 of the easier ones, like nebuchanezzer or korea
I thought the idea with Rome was to buy important buildings immediately for the free production.
Great guide, like always. Filthy's insight on the civs and their strengths is always welcome. What's funny, though, is that you can very clearly see the sun setting as you skip about in the video.
For Rome you can fully benefit from the bonus by buying the key buildings in the capital and then get the production bonus for your other cities.
Yes. If you do the more important buildings (I say the ones that lead to either a National Wonder, military promotions and production), you can really get ahead.
On quick speed, which is what nq multiplayer is played on you’re very unlikely to have to gold to do that consistently
Problem is you're unlikely to have the gold if you go the militaristic liberty route that Rome is geared for and not really be able to hard build everything in the capital either and if you go tradition their bonus is pretty underwhelming anyways so either way it's just a pretty moot bonus. Both of their unique units are just replacements for bad units too. Legions have some cool abilities but they're swordsman replacements which is one of the most unusable units in the game and ballistae are catapult replacements... Nuff said about them.
Rome is honestly in my opinion one of the worst civs in the game, they're very close to just being generic, which is unfortunate because the bonus on paper sounds really amazing.
@@rheiagreenland4714 Hey, "close to being generic" still ranks them above the actually generic ones (like France) and the worse than generic ones (Iroquois, Venice.)
i find your videos amazing. the length and depth are what i have been looking for.I played civ 2 on playstation for countless hours then did some civ 3.Thank god for your clarity and no music in your videos an thank you for taking the time to share.I find my single player game more enjoyable now and i went ahead and bought brave new world bundle off steam.Good job man!
I know it's a bit late, but you forgot to mention that Mandekalu Cavalry (Songhai Knights) don't have a penalty when attacking cities.
They actually have a bonus.
Excellent list, with great justifications - you really changed my opinion of the Netherlands, which I used to consider a reasonably strong civ, and really increased my opinion of the Zulus and Byzantium, which I thought of more as "for fun" civs.
Thanks!
+FilthyRobot Come back to civ V :( We miss you
Wow.. you should write a book. I don't play multi, but some facts really fascinate me. Like how people rush you if you're playing Mongol or Arabia (several players at once without even a coalition!) and how people move cities away from the coast if England is in the game. I had no idea marshes disappear when nuked. It seems you've been through every scenario possible.
Thank you, so much, for all the time and effort you put into this video. A friend of mine, who's making a great start with Civ 5, says he owes most of what he knows to UA-cam videos, and he especially recommended yours. I look forward to watching the rest.
I'm glad I have been able to set aside the time, on a sick day, getting over a cold. I have only one minor criticism, and I owe my ability to spot this one mistake to growing up around aviation history, because of my jet fighter pilot father. Triplanes upgrade to fighters, not to bombers. I don't know how much that changes your analysis of the promotion path(s) for the American B-17 bomber replacement. You did such a good job of laying out all the options, of saying what actually helps in myltiplayer free-for-all games, that we all should be able to figure out the rest.
Wait, what? I've never thought triplanes upgraded into B-17s. B-17s are a bomber replacement.
This has to be the worlds most watch UA-cam video that is longer than 4 hours
not even close but its goated!
OMG Thanks for taking the trouble for this 4 hours video! Longest video i've seen in youtube, took me 3 days to see it all. Great job!
awesome analysis. Civ 5 is probably the most complex and complicated game I've ever played, particularly multiplayer.
+Scott Leong I love it for that exact reason!
+FilthyRobot woooo! I've played about 250 hours, thinking of getting into No Quitters multiplayer. I should probably play the single player mode more though, still can only beat king difficulty. I'm bad, I build catapults, warriors, and just automate workers in mid-late game because I get bored having to give them orders.
Scott Leong Jumping in and losing is going to help you learn the quickest. Some SP skill translates to MP, but lots of Mp stuff needs to be learned either the hard way or through guide/let's play videos! If you have the time and interest, I'd suggest joining the NQ group and diving in!
+FilthyRobot ok I'll look into it. Btw Greece sounded like it almost made tier 1. I just played a Greece game and allied all dem City-States
Try playing hearts of iron 3. Your head will explode of how much complicated it is.
Congrats on the 1 million views filthy! Great video that helped me when I was first getting into civ.
Iroquois - "Whenever I play him I wish I was Venice, because as Venice I can demand a restart." loool
•√• Venice is secretly god tier
Proceeds to destroy yogscast and quill18 with iroquois
Well Filthy, I found you tonight and impressed with your work. I'm saying goodbye to sleep tonight and I'm gunna watch 4 hours. I know it will be worth it. Keep up the great work man!
Shoshone is tier 1 in my opinion.
Super helpful during the pandemic. You've provided a unique and much appreciated service to the community! May the gods smile upon you dude
Attila - God tier 1 special abilities: Steal city names from other civilizations.
Time to redo the whole thing and get that in there!
@@FilthyRobot Hahaha, lucky for you it's only 4 hours, not even 1 game of civ 5 :)
Interesting to see this recommended after so long (and holy crap is this in depth) thanks for going through and making this
I can't believe you just lectured me for four entire hours without stopping.
Hellu Mr Robot!
I just wanna thank you for all the work you've thrown into your videos, as a brand new Civ player your videos helped me a bunch
Most accurate and comprehensive guide on UA-cam.
You know man, as a civ player that can match your hours, this has to be the most fair and informational video I've watched- and I watch every let's play I can find to help garner better deity skill. It's interesting to read the multiplayer perspective when I'm single player only (Assyria being the biggest disparity for me, needing to catch up on techs early is so huge and since food is king the low production makes it hard), but all around this guide is damn helpful. Great job Filthy.
Edit - You claimed to link a list on start bias in the description, think you forgot it. It's easy to find online, but ya =)
-Nattfari
You totally forgot to mention that both conquistadors and songhai's unique cavalry have no city attack penalty. So u can use them as capturers more efficiently.
+BOOMbarash5000 But you shouldn't be slamming into a city if it has HP left, maybe in some situations when you just can't get it to 0 health but it's like 10 or some dumb amount left, maybe then it might matter, but in any other situation, it won't matter unless in MP
There are is actually a benefits to having cavalry with attack bonusses against cities. You dont have to carry around melee units towards cities. You can keep that cavalry tucked away and capture the city when it has low enough health. A lot of players do that. But with for example mandekalu cavalty you can do that sooner than normal cavalry because you deal more damage thus you can take a city that has more health left than when you would normally attack it with a regular cavalry unit. Its not super powerful but it is useful in my opinion.
But the city attack penalty was already completely inconsequential because melee units should never be attacking a city unless it is to capture it anyway. Cavalry are actually the best at capturing cities because their movement lets them not die while you bombard it and not block up space for archers and stuff, they can just casually waltz into a city on 0 health from 3 tiles away regardless of if their combat strength is 3 or 30
Loved the video Filthy very much appreciated. Chu Ko Nus can get logistics, but can only fire 3 times if you're Persia in a golden age and have been gifted them (CS or otherwise), the chances of this are incredibly low and even then almost not worth it when you could get +1 range but it's still quite interesting.
This was an amazing video and exactly what I was looking for! 4 hours of awesomeness =P.
cheers!
Since Indonesia is currently my favorite civ to play as I can confirm that u need to settle on three different islands/continents to get the full bonus (not 3 cities on 1 landmass). I find the best way to use this bonus is to settle on 1 tile islands with lots of sea resources. Indonesia has nutmeg, cloves, and peppers as their unique luxuries and cannot be gained any other way by non-indonesian players except through trade or conquering the islands.
Indonesia is really disproportionately good on archipelago like maps and bad on normal continents or pangaea which is honestly pretty cool but also annoying
Three civs on here I see as underrated: Celts, Siam and Morocco.
Celts just get a guarenteed religion and first pantheon, which is just too valuable. There is no civ that can outpace Celts for Pantheon if they have forest, which is 99% of their games. Lots of Faith can become exceedingly valuable for late-game science, so any civ that gets a religion "for free" is a welcome bonus. They don't have to work torwards a religion at all, they basically just get one, and this means they can actively focus attention and time elsewhere while still generating a bomb-ass religion.
Siam, I just feel like people are too quick to dismiss the bonuses as "win more" and fail to recognize how Siam can help you more than usual in various ways. Say for example (keyword: merely an example to get the point across) Siam secures a culture city-state as an ally, and two other city-states have quests to award the most culture. If Siam and Greece both have one city-state ally that awards culture, Siam is going to win, that will secure two new allies, and it snowballs from there. There is loads of potential for Siam to snowball, and even in their games where a snowball doesn't happen, Maritime civs can keep them up to speed with science. I've had games where I thought I got nothing on Siam, then realized I had the best science simply because the few civ-state alliances I had were Maritime. People call it situational, and yes, the EXACT bonus is situational, but all it takes is one ally and Siam can either specialize itself for faith, culture, science/population, or military. And yes, they have the biggest snowball in the game; the most policies I've ever had with a civ was with Siam. THIS is the ultimate culture civ even if it's not specifically geared towards culture.
And lastly, Morocco. This one was unexpected for me, but I think it has to do with Morocco encouraging solid strats that most people aren't going for. If you compete for a popular wonder, there's a risk there. I feel Morocco is just the right level of encouraging you to walk your "own path" so you don't have to worry about competition, whilst also offering a viable strat. Morocco, for me, tends to be strong in faith, wealth and wonders like Petra. (doesn't have to go out of it's way and "risk" making a Petra-geared city, but rather starts with one) Make a shrine, get Desert Pantheon, then focus on rushing Petra. Income stays healthy, faith stays healthy, and even if you aren't directly competing for science and pop, you can recover later thanks to your wealth and faith. It also feels like it keeps a target off your back because for much of the game you aren't BLATANTLY the big threat, but rather you very slowly develop into one. I absolutely did not expect Morocco to be good, but I always have good performances with it, and I think this has to be attributed to the fact it has the tools for a more unique approach to a victory, but it's still a very viable strat that gets underestimated more often.
The problem with both civs is that they rely on luck to be good. That makes them situationally good and mid-tier overall
'the royal library sounds good on paper' wahey! good one!
Great video, love your stuff so far, subbed.
I've barely even played Civ 5 and I found this interesting to watch
As some one who is planning on buying a computer and Civilization V soon this video was a great help. for now I just flipped through to hear your opinions on my favorites is once I've bought civilization 5 I'll watch the entire thing. Thank you!
Thank you for making this video. It's clear you put a lot of effort into it. The 4 hour length could have been a detriment but you added organized time stamps which corrects that. The tier sheet was also very helpful. Most of the tier lists I see are focused entirely on single player, so a thorough multiplayer guide is a great asset. I also appreciate that the clean language you use. Plenty of videos today have countless F bombs but you don't. Kudos for that.
Thank you for the kind words.
Be aware though, my channel is intended for 18+, I do use profanity fairly liberally in other content!
FilthyRobot definitely, a drunk filthy is sometimes a swearing salty filthy if the games shat on you a bit ;)
I watched whole video and i tought that you are like a teacher of the civ with good opinions of your own with every civ in the game. I liked the video and i did learn many new things about some specific civs that i havent really played so much with yet. Anyways I enjoyed your guide and i have to say that keep good work up and your civ fans amused aswell, thumbs up m8 take care! ^^
Thanks!
Getting the +4 faith from natural wonders pantheon with Spain is too much early game awesomeness
Especially as these 4 Faith are doubled by their bonus, too, so it's practically 8 Faith
@@Rsge14 24 if u have Mt. Sinai
@@DivyenduKashyap Yeah but then you don't have Food, Production, Gold and Science 😜
@@Rsge14 I love Spain but it’s wayyy too situationally useful
Damn man, respect for your dedication in making this video, 4 Hours, that's a lot, i might probably watch 1 faction per day.
Would you give France a higher tier if it had the pre nerf stats? (2 culture per city before discovering Steam Power and the Foreign legions instead of the chateau)
It couldn't have been worse than it is now ;p