Firewood Bundles - How to Make, What Size Bag, and How Long of a Burn?
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2021
- Firewood Bundles - How to Make, What Size Bag, and How Long of a Burn? That is what I show and discuss in this video. A quick demonstration of making a firewood bundle with my empty trash can method and then I talk about something I didn't know before. How long will a bundle of firewood last when burning it all at once.
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Where’s the Laser thermometer???? We gotta calculate BTU’s. Comon MAN haha great video and time lapse buddy
LOL....I can only handle one measuring device at a time, and the stop watch was it for this experiment.👍 😀 🍻
get after him Hometown. He needs supervision.
lol
I think the bundle bags look much nicer than the wrap.
It used to go for 5 dollars a bag here in Florida. Inflation changed that. It's going for 8 a bag, or 3 for 20 now.
That seems like a good value for the price. Have a great day!
Morning Dan. The Firewood Bundle Bags are a great Marketing Advertisement. Keep it up!👍
$5 is a great value and nice job with the time lapse as you care about your customers and want to ensure they’re getting a good value. If you have a process down and prefer the presentation of the bags then I would not switch to wrap. 👍
Thanks for the time lapse burn! Really puts into perspective what people get for their 5 bones. Plus they get a nice bag to boot!
Awesome video. Thanks for sharing.
Always entertaining Dan! Way more so than anything on TV these days.
Great experiment, I never even thought about that. Really cool time lapse! -Brad
Thanks...yeah was just something I never gave much thought to either. Was surprised to see that if you just wanted a small fire for an hour or so a bundle would do.
I like that burn for the buck. 👍
Another great video 👍
I think i've seen pretty much all ur veidos and i still go through and watch em again !! I'm thinking of adding KINDLING bags to my reg, bundles !! But that a lot of extra work. So i'm looing for a easy and fast way to do it !! Maybe have to set up a TV out back on friday nights and watch Back 40 live !! while split kindling !!!! Keep up the great work and shows !! KBD
Great method for bundling firewood 👍
I agree with your thoughts about skimping on the packaging and making the customer feel cheated.
Great idea with those bags
Cool video thanks for sharing
I can just see Adam lining up an excel spreadsheet and a multi-variable test to run.....
Nice bags - my wife has a grumble about similar bags here in the UK as they don't recycle and aren't re-used but the alternatives aren't much better from what I can see - unless you go hessian or hemp?
Yeah that is one downside it the bags are very re-useable, they can be but it's not as easy at it looks....most times the drawstrings end up breaking. 👍 😀 🍻
Great video
I figured a bundle I sell should last about an hour too. If they're having some friends over for a fire and spend $20 with me, that should last them for the duration of their night. We all know the party stops when the fire does.
Tell them you are out of beer. Party ends immediately. LOL, only if you want to get rid of them.
Very good 👍🏼👏
Good job dude 🤘🏻thanks for the tips
Happy St. Patrick's Day. I think you are giving your customers a good deal. Campers appreciate the road side convenience of self service and availability.
Thanks...yeah I agree on the convenience and value in the bags. Have a Happy St. Patty's day as well. 👍 😀 🍻
I sell firewood bags up here in Maine in a very popular tourist / camping destination in a beach town, and when I switched from wrapping bundles to firewood bags (the exact ones you have in this video), my sales dramatically increased. I think people driving by saw the bags and saw quality, especially for $5. Everyone around here uses plastic wrap and I don't think the campers like it. I'd rather lose a little bit of money per bundle for a much higher quality product! They are easier to grab, they look way better than plastic wrap, and sometimes my customers return the bags for re-use! Just to give you an idea of the volume I am dealing with, I sold 350 bags of firewood from my road side stand in one weekend last 4th of July, using my palax packer 35 I can bundle a full bag in about 20 seconds. I am a very busy guy in the summer lol. Thanks for all your videos, big fan here from Maine!
I agree that the bags draw attention and stand out. Holy crap that's a heck of a weekend selling that many bags, hope you weren't making them as they sold or you might have never slept...lol
What is the Palax Packer 35? 👍 😀 🍻
@@Back40Firewood luckily I had a couple hundred made ahead of time. I get literally hundreds of campers driving by every day in the summer, it's nuts! The palax is this metal tray thing that tilts and makes it super easy to pack bags. Give it a Google, it's a neat one
Shifty, this was a timely video. I have been contemplating bags or shrink wrap. Now that I’ve seen this, not sure why I would mess with shrink wrap? Thank you for the inspiration!! WST
For me the bags are the way to go for sure...present better, handle better, and really loading isn't a big deal. I've see bundles take just as long to make cuz you have to reposition pieces so they're just right...lol 👍 😀 🍻
happy Saint Patrick day to you and all family. big hello from ireland. thank you for all great videos,
Hello in Ireland and a happy St. Patty's day to you as well. This weekend on Saturday the 20th I'm doing an early edition of the live stream...starting at 1 pm central over here so think 7 there....hope you can stop by & say hi. 👍 😀 🍻
@@Back40Firewood thanks man . no pubs open today so lots water lol. that be great on Saturday i well be stop by at 7pm . have good day today. stay safe. enjoy few Guinness on me ha.
Good morning Dan. Great info here. My brother and I are diving into bundle sales this summer. We still are not sure how we are gonna bundle but this looks like a good option. Thanks for sharing.
Nice! Yeah it all depends what is gonna work best and the amount you sell. Bags vs wrap....lol....the ongoing debate continues. 👍 😀 🍻
Hi Dan. Good idea to show what you get from the $5 bundles. If you’ve seen Spreadsheet Acres’ video on comparing kiln dried vs seasoned vs green you’ll have noted that seasoned actually lasts the longer than kiln dried.
I think a 10 min ish video is ideal, not too short but not too long either.
Keep up the good work, have a Guinness tomorrow.
Thanks....yeah & one thing I forgot to mention was also what type of wood it is will play a factor in how long the wood lasts. Thanks for the feedback on video length, I've been trying to get a better sense of that so the feedback helps. 👍 😀 🍻
Good content video, Danny Boy
Nice job bud!
I've gotta get more bundles made, its been non stop right through the winter, I can't imagine how busy it'll be my first season doing them with the campgrounds right up the road! 😁
That's great to hear they've been selling for you as well, yeah you better get ready then for the camping rush, it'll be starting soon. 👍 😀 🍻
Great video and production quality.
The timed burn was great.
So, here's my spin on the bundler. If you are having success with selling bags at your stand and enjoy making the bundles, then don't change a thing. However I think you could increase productivity by adding more garbage cans to your process.
Put bags on 4 cans at a time and fill all of them at once.
A bundler is for selling bundles to a captive audience, a lodge, convenient store, campground, whatever they're gonna buy it regardless. I've seen them sold around here with with a red flyer in them and some advertising home delivery.
I'll see how the Spring & early summer go to get a sense of how the bundles are moving, then decide if gonna order more bags or change it up. 👍 😀 🍻
I was using netting, costs.60 a bundle. Got a bundler,got cost down to 10 cents a bundle. bundled 20,000 bundles in three years.
Good Time test shiftster. That was all ash , looked like. Nice job. 👍liked
Yep those bundles were Ash...that's one thing I should've mentioned is that a bundle of Pine & Basswood may not last as long...hahaha👍 😀 🍻
Like the video. My parents have a seasonal campsite at a campground and when I have a pile of wood that I’m not sure if it’s dry or not I I will bring it to them and tell them to burn it and let me know how it burns. I don’t get a lot of time to burn my own wood so that’s the next best thing for me. I don’t mess with bundles as I sell campfire wood by the pickup load or by the cord. Here we have mostly soft wood so a dozen pieces of Douglas fir will last 45 mins or so, birch or maple lasts longer. Our bundled wood you can buy from a gas station is like $7-$10 a bundle depending where you go. I’ve sold and delivered 3 pickup loads in the last 3 days. I’m out of dryish wood and need to get more today because I have orders to fill.
Having your parents to test is a good way to find out for sure. I've seen campgrounds that have 'regulars' or people who are there a lot get truckloads delivered in. Around here most people are having fires in their backyards but don't have the space to store or keep much wood on hand.
The campground that my parents have a “seasonal” camp spot in used to not let any outside wood come into the campground due to the bugs but last year they told me I can sell directly to whoever has a seasonal camp spot in that campground. My grandparents and my aunt and uncle also has seasonal sites in the same campground.. actually they are beside each other.. numbers 6,7 and 8. There’s a lot of people around here that have backyard fires as well.
Consider 4 people easily sit around even the smallest of firepits. Rather good value all things considered.
Whoever makes the bundles sold at the convenience store near me, uses some sort of HEAVY duty shrink wrap (like the kind you use as a ground sheet under your tent!)- open-ish at either end, and with a handle stapled to a couple of smaller slivers. Kinda a pain to remove the staples from the piece of wood, but it sure makes for a strong handle!
As a wood grill guy, I chose that particular bundle BECAUSE it had several smaller pieces in it. Don't want to wait forever for the fire to burn down so I can cook- I'm hungry now! lol. Normally I don't buy them, but my stock of dry ready to burn wood was very low.
BTW, I spent the weekend woodhounding my usual spot. Cha-Ching!! Jackpot!! They've been doing some serious trimming and removal of overgrown trees in the process of replacing a bunch of old houses with new ones. This time, there were PILES of 5-6' logs of 4-6" diameter or so. Filled my pickup RIGHT up! There were larger ones aplenty, but I still have to buck by hand- that's about as big a log as I want to hand saw into chunks. Unsure of species- the bark is familiar, but not like the hard maples, oaks, Ash's, cottonwoods, Locusts etc I mainly see. Basswood maybe? White oak? soft maple? who knows. Too bad it's green.
Free is free, though!
Sounds like a heck of a score on the free wood...nice job Wood Hound. As far as bags I've thought about bagging up my smaller chunks to see how they'd sell & if anyone would be interested in them, might still do it cuz I end up with plenty of small chunks. 👍 😀 🍻
Valve for a Bag is I believe more than the Wrap Bundles, and the Bags can be reused, and i do understand the cost Bags vs Wrap, you are so right about the Candy Size, looks like everything has gone that way, take care shifty
That's my main concern with switching is how the change would come across to my regulars. Because if I made the wrapped bundles the same size as my bags are, they'd be tough to handle. And might not even be able to make them the same size with a bundler....so a change would definitely be noticed by the customer.
This is awesome, thanks for the expertise on the bagging! I am thinking about doing the same thing in my local community and have a question for you. Can you split and bag green wood during the off season, and let the wood dry/season right in the bag until it's ready to burn? Have you experienced this, and have you found the bags are resilient, or do they degrade over time? I would hate to bag up a bunch of bundles, let it season for 6 months, and then go to pick them up and the bags fall apart. Thanks for your advice and expertise. Long Live The Wolf Ridge!
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Well hello there my favorite Wood Hounds from Hartland....lol....my name is Dan but also go by my nickname Shifty... 👍 😀 🍻
I always thought that wood will season better out in the weather then being inside, my old man always got on my butt bout stacking all my wood up. well i never listen so i just throw it all in a big pile and it seasoned up just fine !! Love the channel KBD
Yeah I've gone back-n-forth on stacking or just loose piles....the only problem with the loose piles in my case is they take up more room...lol 👍 😀 🍻
Here in the north Texas DFW area, a .75 cf bundle is $15. There are .65 cf bundles of oak sawmill scrap for $8.
Hi Dan - it's Big Rodders in Ireland. Happy St Patrick's Day to all wherever you are in the world, even though it's going to be a quiet one this year. It's strange but I have never heard it referred to as St Patty's Day in my life. The net bags disintegrate in the sun light. I once seasoned 600 nets and by the time the last ones were sold the following year, the side facing the sun had bleached and they were just falling apart.
I've wondered how well and UV resistant these bags are, or will be. Haven't noticed anything yet, but I also don't have them out in direct sun too long or often.
@@Back40Firewood - Big Rodders again. My nets were stored 3 foot high against a cattle shed wall with slatted walls opposite, through which the sun shone for a period each day. Obviously it was enough to do the damage - the wood was well seasoned though! Imagine the result if nets were left under direct Texan sun for a year, or any other sunshine state.
Great informative video, I like your burlap (say firewood on the side) bags very well!! Good quality, shame they couldn’t be reused one more time👍☺️
I keep a couple to store onions and such in
Thanks.....the bags 'can' be used again as long as the drawstrings don't get cut or broke. I have a few people that bring theirs back. 👍 😀 🍻
I waz gonna ask if folks recycled them?
Nice Vid Dan 👍 I am a tree Service in Wisconsin looking at starting my own wood side stand.
Nice..where abouts in WI? You'll have the wood and that's the main ingredient...lol 👍 😀 🍻
@@Back40Firewood My Homestead is located in Viroqua i got 30 acres here where I am building my retirement playground.
If your table was on wheels you could pull it along the row of stacked firewood and possibly save some steps. Love your channel. God bless
Yeah when I'm making them off the stacks I use either the tractor bucket or carry all...then haul them right up to the stand. 👍 😀 🍻
Also depends on what kind of wood you have in those bundles if you have more hardwood in in them bundles might even last longer
I might not be Irish! But I like to drink like I'm am and Irish man!
hi there Pretty Nifty Shifty on the wood bundles . i use a tractor rim also for fires . bond fire timing look out Adam ? nice show Q not sure what those bags cost per bag but if you pasted your saving along to the consumer i think the would be happy and volume may go up . next experiment Adam . well done john
That rim in my pit is from an old John Deere 4010 tire. Makes a nice little fire pit for both having a small evening fire for an hour or two....or a big raging all nighter that burns til the rum is gone! Ha...hahahaha 👍 😀 🍻
Stick with the bags.. most of my customers in mn like the bags vs saran wrap.. the campgrounds I supply with bags also have a get a quarter back for the return of the bag and I'd say we get almost 70% back.. some bags I've reused at least 3 times now.. keep bagging!!!!
Catchy tittle too. You will have lotza viewers,
Your wood Honda logo is yours call him shifty🔥🪓🐎
Loved the video. Very informative. Have you ever counted the bags to see how many a facecord would fill? I know it should be around 42 strictly speaking on a volume scale, but I also know that what a piece of paper says can be different than what reality says! 🔥
I haven't even done the 'how many bags in a face cord' but maybe I will sometime this summer. 👍 😀 🍻
@@Back40Firewood Thanks, I think that would be interesting to see.
What a neat set up for loading and I liked the demonstration....Do you put them in your front yard to sell???? Or do you take them to gas stations etc????
I only sell out of my roadside stand at end of my driveway. 👍 😀 🍻
What are the size dimensions of these bags? I’m looking to start bagging and can’t decide which ones to order. Thanks
The convenience stores around here get $6 for 6 pieces of wood. Our 6 piece fires last for 2 hours. Then it time for the company to go.
I've yet to see 6 pieces last two hours unless they are very big pieces.
Very informative, Dan! Do other firewood sellers in your area try to undercut each other price wise? In other words, anybody in your area selling for less than $5, or is everybody on par?
Thanks....nope, I'm the lowest price around all the places around me are priced at $5.99 and that's for .75 cubic foot bundles. 👍 😀 🍻
Hey Back 40, I have a stretch wrap bundler that I will be making a video on this week, hopefully you can watch it and see how you like it. Thanks!
Ok cool....let me know when ya got it posted. 👍 😀
Where do you get your bags and how much do you pay per bag?
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I like your new video the moming you did a really good jop we are come home on Friday good jop the moming buddy 🍺🍺
Thanks buddy...have a safe trip home, bet it'll be tough leaving..lol...that's always the worse part of a vacation, when it's over...hahaha 👍 😀 🍻
I hope make homes when you are live on Friday night buddy 🍺🍺
Ballpark figure on how much you have made off the bundels? After gas,mix,chains?
Where do you get the bags from. Keep the good work up.
I thought about wrap, but as you say, it's kind of a down grade. People like bags, no slivers, easy to carry, sometimes you get the bags back. I don't sell loose wood at all. Been asked, I refer them to a friend that does. Great video, burn time.
That's very interesting in the burn time! I would definitely pay $5 for an hour and a half of sitting around a fire with family and friends!! Happy St Patty's Day!! Eat lots of corned beef and drink even more green beer hahahaha 🍻🍻🍻!! Stay safe my friend!!
Yeah I didn't think 1 bundle would burn that long, of course that was Ash so a bundle of Pine and Basswood might go up a bit quicker...hahaha
Enjoy St. Patty's day as well my friend! 👍 😀 🍻
Just wonder if your regulars would return the bags?
I do have a few people who bring the bags back. 👍 😀 🍻
that's pretty good for 5 bux
Deversafi and grow. Build another rack for large wood bundles. Selling both.
From experience stay with the bag don't go to the saran wrap don't dump you in a heart beat and go somewhere else because they think you're trying to be cheap
Buy a bundler . You won’t regret it
Adding in a high quality info card could make it look like you're trying to improve the brand as well. So you saved money but perceived value could be higher
where do you buy your bags? did you shop for the cheapest or just the most convenient?
I get them from a website called Northern Woodsmen. I shopped for the better looking, not the cheapest...I like the look of the label on them. 👍😀🍻
northernwoodsmen.com/firewood-mesh-bags/
How much do the bags cost per bag?
Maybe in a fireplace in the house you might get a little longer burn. You know what buy two ✌ bags. 👍
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Thanks...😃 👍 🍻
types of firewood? BTU ratings vary by species and humidity, and hardwood-cooking / smoking use
Where do. You get bags and what size are they
I use the 1.0 cubic foot bags and I get them at Northern Woodsmen.
northernwoodsmen.com/packaging-solutions/#y=-887
I think you would have a longer fire burn time if you start your fire on top of the wood stack.
Ohh now that's a good idea, I might have to try that and see how it compares and if the wood would burn 'down'. 👍 😀 🍻
LMAO Soon as you said pie charts and graphs I thought of Adam :)
Wheres the Laser thermometer???? Lol
Where do you buy the bags?
I have some listed here:
www.amazon.com/shop/back40firewood
Are these the bags they sell on Amazon?
I was wondering that too. They look different design wise and size from the video a year ago
No, but they are pretty much the same thing...the 1 square foot ones.
Hey Dan, DATCP requires the insertion of a label on all bundles sold (location/person business/etc), even if it isn't DATCP certified. Just curious if you do that? Just want to make sure a fellow firewood bundler doesn't get into hot water.
datcp.wi.gov/Documents/FirewoodFactSheet.pdf
Spreadsheets are the best. ha.
Hi in the north woods I didn’t realize that. I’ve been selling bundles for 30 years on a roadside stand never had a issue
Maybe I misread some of the documentation on their website, but seems to me that they want it. I think it helps verify where the wood came from, especially with campgrounds.
Hmmm I'll have to look into this a bit further. The only thing I'm missing is the amount. The bag says what it is - Firewood, it's sold on premise, but I don't have the amount listed. Thanks for the info. 👍 😀 🍻
@@Back40Firewood There is more info on their website too about it. I just searched for firewood. Ha. I've been making small labels. Business name, address, add my website, FB page, and then whatever other requirements.
To me it seems the text means that all firewood should be labeled. But it may also be for the certified wood too. Not sure.
Ah, that's a little less time than I thought you'd get out of some better hardwood. The loose stack makes more sense it seems as it gets a little warmer.
Right I should've mentioned the type of wood...lol....if I'd make a bundle out of my pine & basswood it might be a bit quicker on the burn down.
You and Adam (home town acres) should never take your hats off! lol
Hahahahahahahaha....I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read this! Love it!!! 👍😀🍻
What's the average weight of those bags ?
Depending on what wood is in them....recreational mix probably 8-10 lbs. Oak a bit more.
I THOUGHT YOU WOULD COUNTED IT IN BEERS LOL
That bag would be at least $8 at stores, probably closer to $10.
I noticed you said 13 gallon can but the can says 11 gallon. Which is it?
I think the can is, or was an 11 gallon. But the bags that would be used for it are 13 gallon...numbers can easily confuse me...lol 🍻
@@Back40Firewood haha no worries. thank you! I'm gonna give this a try
I would say " stick with what is working for you" .... After seeing those pretty sacks, all the plastic bundles look sorta ghetto !!!!!!!
The job buddy you did a good job in Lynnwood you did a good job in Lynnwood see you Friday night on Livestream text me back by buddy God bless you and Amanda
Thanks...I'm ready for Friday already....lol, even tho its only Tuesday....see you then! 👍 😀 🍻
Good video, we use the .75 cubic ft bags, $6 dollars a bag for 1, $5 a bag if more than 1 bag is purchased! 🪵👍🏼🇱🇷
Nice....I've thought about doing a discount for more purchased, but haven't yet. 👍 😀 🍻
From a customer perspective, if you have something that works for you and the customers are happy then don't change a thing. The only time it should change is if it gives the customer more value for their dollar. I hate when companies that I support change the quality, packaging, or how it is delivered. I understand price changes because that is the world we live in. If I have a company who's product I like then I want that product the same every time.
That's a great point and thanks for that feedback...in the case of switching from bags to wrapped bundles I think it give the customer less. The bags is what I'm more than likely going to continue with.
I would fill a bunch of bags with firewood and set them aside. Then take my gloves off and tie them all up. It seems a lot of time is spent taking gloves on and off.
Most people get 6-7 dollars a bag or 3- $15.00.
Searching tells me 13 gal = almost 1.75 cu ft.
HAY ( D ) NOT BAD... NOW IF WE CAN GET OTHER BAG SELLING WOOD HOUNDS TO FOLLOW SUIT... WE CAN GUESSTIMATE AN AVERAGE ON HOW LONG A BAG LASTS ACROSS THE WOOD HOUND MAP!!! THEN MABY CHANGING THE FORMAT WON'T BE SUCH A SHOCK TO THE CONSUMER... FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE BUNDEL AVERAGE IS 1 HOUR AND SAY 40 MIN. YOU TOSS ANOTHER TWO PIECE'S IN THE BUNDLE WHICH NOW IS A WRAP AND CALL IT NEW AND IMPROVED, CHARGE THE SAME $ 5.00 THEN GO FROM 20- TO 25 ON THE LOOSE AFTER A WHILE... OR JUST DO SOME BAG'S AND SOME BUNDLE'S, THEN ON A SIGN ASK WHAT THE FOLK'S LIKE BEST... LEAVE A PENCIL AND SOME POST IT'S SO THEY CAN REPLY WITH THERE PAYMENT - YA KNOW A LITTLE R. & D.
There is one factor I didn't take into account and that's the type of wood in the bundle...lol...once I start filling those bags with Pine, Popular, & Basswood they won't be lasting for as long as that one did....maybe I'll have to do another video to compare...hahaha 👍 😀 🍻
Buy a bundler you won’t regret it
Sooo they don't steal your wood without paying
$5 seems cheap to me.
You talk 2 much
There is volume control and also a mute button available when watching. lol 😆👍🍻