Thanks for this. Was privileged to study with Mr. B during his first such academic gig, at Mills in his first year there in the '80s. We had a wonderful, magical time. I'll never forget his playing of a rather cryptic geometric graphic score another student brought in. We were skeptical as to what even Anthony would do with such a pretty - yet apparently "meaningless" - geometric illustration. Needless to say, Anthony played the hell out of that score, and we were all left dumbfounded.
Any variety of game can teach you something. It doesn't have to be some dynamic lesson. Chess showed me how to re-interpret my thought process in different scenarios. Not just while playing, but in life. Now of course other people will get their life lessons from other things but chess is on that list.
Whenever I listen to an Anthony Braxton interview, I come away with two clear impressions: 1) Gee, this guy is smart! 2) Uh, what did he just say? After listening to a few, I've decided this is AB's deliberate intention. It's not a conceit, but rather a way of amusing himself at his own (and our) expense. AB is kind of like a Borat of the reed instruments.
Its about the concept "game" . Chess can be understood in any extreme degree more than the way it is enjoyed or related to. In composing music, phrases can be set in order to be understood to the listener, NOT just to the author, as flowing. The deeper connection he's alluding to is about game theory, which can explain anything where competition is involved, from evolution to improvising with other musicians to managing a fruit stand to pidgeons scrambling for nuts. Not deep, just real.
Oh yes sir it is enjoyable game indeed. But if you give credit of just being more than a game it could teach you lot of things.Well it worked for me. Different people have different logics,ideas, personality and so on.So i agree with you buddy that it may not be a part of you and is for few people across the globe. You may be a student ,any kinda professional but you must be passing/passed through education systems. but unfortunately I'm not from edu. system. DIVERSITY my freind. it makes point
"Muddy the water to make it look deep." The more complex the jive the bigger the phony. I had a friend who played chess with the esteemed mister Braxton. My friend beat his ass, game after game, and told me he wasn't much of a chess player. Braxton is jive.
I just discovered anthony braxton while hanging out on youtube. I then did some research on him. In my opinion, he is certainly the biggest crook in the history of jazz. It's totally amazing that he could have such a career in the music world and have such academic positions. I mean, what is going on with the listeners, the media and the jazz community that they want us to believe that this guy is a genius? Everything about him is a problem: his instrumental technique is close to zero, his music itself is modern when it sounds like a beginner's band, his gibberish discourse about his music means absolutely nothing, but also his interviews in which he comes across as a pretentious old bigot. Please, retire and let the real artists play.
Just because you don’t personally see value in his work doesn’t mean he’s a crook or a fake. He isn’t really a jazz musician, or at least his not trying to achieve the same things as a regular jazz musician. I think listening to his more swing-based or straight ahead recordings first let’s one see what he’s trying to do with his playing better than his own compositions (at first). Check out him playing Wayne Shorter’s Nerfertiti with Circle, or his Monk tribute album. He’s intentionally trying to avoid jazz cliches and traditional solo trajectories. I don’t personally understand all of it, but one can see that he still is trying to incorporate the melody into his playing, and develops it as well as other material. Composition no. 23B is also a banger. Of course the Nefertiti recommendation only holds true if you can appreciate Wayne Shorter, and if you’re not down with Wayne at his weirdest you shouldn’t even bother with Braxton at his most swinging
Thanks for this. Was privileged to study with Mr. B during his first such academic gig, at Mills in his first year there in the '80s. We had a wonderful, magical time. I'll never forget his playing of a rather cryptic geometric graphic score another student brought in. We were skeptical as to what even Anthony would do with such a pretty - yet apparently "meaningless" - geometric illustration.
Needless to say, Anthony played the hell out of that score, and we were all left dumbfounded.
I wish I had a fraction of a tenth of an eighth of an ounce of the insight and knowledge that Anthony Braxton has.
Any variety of game can teach you something. It doesn't have to be some dynamic lesson. Chess showed me how to re-interpret my thought process in different scenarios. Not just while playing, but in life. Now of course other people will get their life lessons from other things but chess is on that list.
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Whenever I listen to an Anthony Braxton interview, I come away with two clear impressions:
1) Gee, this guy is smart!
2) Uh, what did he just say?
After listening to a few, I've decided this is AB's deliberate intention. It's not a conceit, but rather a way of amusing himself at his own (and our) expense. AB is kind of like a Borat of the reed instruments.
someone should write something comparing interest in chess between duchamp and braxton
A squid eating dough
in a polyethylene bag,
is fast and bulbous, got me?
Composition is sonic geometry. Fascinating...
Its about the concept "game" . Chess can be understood in any extreme degree more than the way it is enjoyed or related to. In composing music, phrases can be set in order to be understood to the listener, NOT just to the author, as flowing. The deeper connection he's alluding to is about game theory, which can explain anything where competition is involved, from evolution to improvising with other musicians to managing a fruit stand to pidgeons scrambling for nuts. Not deep, just real.
What is that beautiful music in the background in this video?
yep
Oh yes sir it is enjoyable game indeed. But if you give credit of just being more than a game it could teach you lot of things.Well it worked for me. Different people have different logics,ideas, personality and so on.So i agree with you buddy that it may not be a part of you and is for few people across the globe. You may be a student ,any kinda professional but you must be passing/passed through education systems. but unfortunately I'm not from edu. system. DIVERSITY my freind. it makes point
don't get offended man. that's just matter of point of view and opinion and tendency
Love Braxton, despise Wynton!
"Muddy the water to make it look deep." The more complex the jive the bigger the phony. I had a friend who played chess with the esteemed mister Braxton. My friend beat his ass, game after game, and told me he wasn't much of a chess player. Braxton is jive.
I just discovered anthony braxton while hanging out on youtube. I then did some research on him. In my opinion, he is certainly the biggest crook in the history of jazz. It's totally amazing that he could have such a career in the music world and have such academic positions. I mean, what is going on with the listeners, the media and the jazz community that they want us to believe that this guy is a genius? Everything about him is a problem: his instrumental technique is close to zero, his music itself is modern when it sounds like a beginner's band, his gibberish discourse about his music means absolutely nothing, but also his interviews in which he comes across as a pretentious old bigot. Please, retire and let the real artists play.
Just because you don’t personally see value in his work doesn’t mean he’s a crook or a fake. He isn’t really a jazz musician, or at least his not trying to achieve the same things as a regular jazz musician. I think listening to his more swing-based or straight ahead recordings first let’s one see what he’s trying to do with his playing better than his own compositions (at first). Check out him playing Wayne Shorter’s Nerfertiti with Circle, or his Monk tribute album. He’s intentionally trying to avoid jazz cliches and traditional solo trajectories. I don’t personally understand all of it, but one can see that he still is trying to incorporate the melody into his playing, and develops it as well as other material. Composition no. 23B is also a banger.
Of course the Nefertiti recommendation only holds true if you can appreciate Wayne Shorter, and if you’re not down with Wayne at his weirdest you shouldn’t even bother with Braxton at his most swinging
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Go to an Ear, Nose and Throat doctor and have your hearing checked.....