We Fix this FAULTY Gold Foil | Axe From The Grave (ft. Ryan Burke of 60 Cycle Hum)
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- This faulty Gold Foil pickup was recently featured over on 60 Cycle Hum, can I use science to figure out what is wrong with it and put it right?
Thanks to Ryan for collaborating on this video
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This faulty Gold Foil pickup was recently featured over on 60 Cycle Hum, can I use science to figure out what is wrong with it and put it right?
Thanks to Ryan for collaborating on this video
60 Cycle Hum - ua-cam.com/users/60cyclehumcast
#60cyclehum #goldfoil #pickup
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16 different combinations and only 2 are correct.... I got really lucky then lol.
Damn, that disassembly montage is fun.
Not at all the point of the video, but what is the pen/screwdriver thing you are using at 12:00? My itch for tools and writing instruments is thoroughly stimulated!
The video earns a like. That you even put the 60 cycle hum sticker under the vinegar bath container earns a sub. Well done.
next episode, that tape machine you got there.
I was just about to say the same thing!
Well, you might just be in luck...sort of
That is some sweet tape delay right there.
Not gonna lie, I laughed like a child when you screamed into the guitar 🤣
Never mind the gold foil, that p90 is a monster
Right! Holy crap when he switched to it I was like "yes there it is!"
I kinda like the sound of the "broken" configuration. would be good for funk rhythm playing
You could also use it just to have a different sound in a small section of a song.
LOL I was *not* expecting the ICP reference at 13:38 😂
Really? I don't even know how to have a conversation about magnets without quoting ICP.
@@BillJones Fair, I just wasn’t expecting it from Colin right at that moment 😂
I've learned more about magnets here than in physics classes during high school. Thanks, Professor Colin!
A TATA for you, if I may: what determines if a pickup is supposed to be used on the bridge or neck position? Output, tone? Both? None?
Believe it or not, it’s commonly due to string spacing. Although many people have different specs of pickups between neck and bridge, generally, the poles on the neck pickup are slightly less spaced out due to the strings drawing closer towards the nut
For many of the old P-90 equipped Gibsons, the neck and bridge pickups were identical. While differently constructed and different output pickups are more commonly used in neck and bridge positions today, much of the tonal difference comes solely from one pickup experiencing more treble frequencies at the bridge and the other experiencing more bass frequencies at the base of the neck.
@@jckmthr Oh yea! I completely forgot about that, probably the main reason to label them bridge and neck. Thanks.
@@kyyowa129 Exactly. I am aware that placing them closer/farther from the bridge changes the sound, but I'm also curious if they have to diminish/emphasize specific frequencies to compensate for their placement.
@@Ndlanding nonsense! the bridge is the bringer of chug once you've harnessed the power.
Niiiiiice this feels like when a comedian makes a callback to their friends set, and you've been fans of both and didn't know they knew each other
This is proof there's no objectively wrong tone, i think that pickup is perfect for piercing right though a mix or even blending with something like a humbucker so you get the detailed mids with the warm low end together
This pickup actually sounds good after a bit of TLC. Maybe there could be a part 2? This could be in terms of cleaning up the cloth (I would suggest just re-spraying the existing cloth with gold paint) and potting it with wax to fix its microphonic nature. I would also suggest trying it in a bridge position as I think that might suit it better.
You can re-do the gold foil with a gold leaf kit from the local hobby center. It's easy and looks great when you're done.
I'm just sitting here distracted by that lovely box of Laphroaig 10 year in the background....
Congrats on your GGBO win, Col. Well deserved. The guitar was incredible, especially considering how most of the other invitational entrants were experienced builders. I hope you do more, even if you only enter the GGBO next year.
CSG Pickups with tartan, when?
As soon as I shop for shipping boxes etc.
I like it when a few of my favorite channels collab! More plz!
Have you ever considered making a studio tour Colin? We wanna see your recording setup!!
“Colin you silly goose”😂
It’s like Pimp My Ride but with pickups! PUP My Ride? 😂
"Pimp my pup"
Pimp My Pickup.
I'm sure that Americans would be confused as hell.
If you want less noise, you shouldn't solder a ground lead connecting to the back of your pots if they are already connected with their shafts to a metal shielding plate or foil... (if, of course the pot shaft is connected to the backside of the potentiometer..) You need to contact each part you want in the grounding circuit, ONCE to ground! What your doing if you, for example did what you have in (timestamp) 10:11, you basically create a "coil" with one wrap! Which, acts as antenna.. Just my 2 cents! Cheers.
Add peroxide to that vinegar and you get instant rust... or copper oxide on copper bits. I've finished a few pedals that way, nice effect
Vinegar + peroxide creates paracetic acid which can be harmful to the lungs and respiratory system. So if anyone is going to try that for finishing or oxidizing metal it should be done in a well ventilated space and with proper PPE.
@@howlongcanimakethisfukingthing 1 duh, 2 if you use just a little you have nothing to worry with.
Use protection and stay safe.
That's why the magnets are removable, to help align the faze between other pickup types
Faze
Faze
It's not a faze, mom
Väs
You messed up Hellseeker, time to faze the music.
I hope there are more episodes of this type. Not only enjoyable but very educational.
I have a old foil pickup that looks a lot like that that’s so microphonic I actually screwed it to the top of a old cheap nylon string classical guitar. It actually sounded great. It was a cheaper one than that one though (believe it or not they made cheaper built ones) it had a thin coil with a iron bar in the middle setting on a huge ceramic magnet. Weird pickup but a surprisingly good microphone for acoustic guitar lol
It took me a while to visualize how the magnetic field from the magnets would interact with the coil windings. To me, it seemed like you'd want a more uniform magnetic field from neck side of the pickup to the bridge side - thus N and S facing the middle.
You mentioned that the pole pieces were getting magnetized by the magnets, but I couldn't figure out how that would be when the magnets are on the outsides of the windings. I had to go back and re-watch to see that the metal piece that the pole pieces screw into also goes under the coil to touch each of the magnets. That gives the inside of the coil an N polarity and a S polarity on each of the long sides, outside of the coil. Using the right hand rule on both the neck side and the bridge side of the coil shows both fields generating current in the same direction around the coil.
Got it! Interesting pickup design.
Have you ever done a video on Burns Tri-sonic pickups?
They're about the only pickup design that I'm aware of that has the magnetic poles pointing transverse to the strings, as opposed to the more regular longitudinal orientation used by most manufacturers and I think that's quite interesting.
Only major downside is that if you want to use the original design and not the strat footprint one that they brought out more recently you're going to have to modify or buy an instrument because those things are huge.
That and trying to wind a coil without a bobbin seems like it would be quite fiddly.
A pickup like that would be handy in the studio. That sound would be really nice for a vintage r and b track. I’d try getting it closer to the string low output pups gotta be close. Looks like a fun project
Thx for the video. I am considering a long distance purchase of a teisco with what appears to be this exact pickup yet had no idea of its tone. You were a great help. Thanks again.
Another great video Colin, always learning when watching your channel.
Great content, fun patter, serious facts about all things related to guitar & equipment & problem solving we can all try.
Cool hair, cool sounds & that tape echo machine is awesome, could you explain it in a vid please.
Tape delay is so awesome, just another thing to thank Les Paul and Ray Butts for.
God bless all those pioneering, inventive people who didn't accept the limitations of their time.
Colin,
Your upload is very intriguing! Have you considered making this a recurrent format for segments or other uploads? Your investigation footage, even just watching your collaborator's video and your real-time reaction was a video essay I don't remember seeing on your channel. Please consider adopting this style more often. Science--deduction is a forte of yours that happens behind the scenes and the glimpse you generously provided this time is compelling content.
Thanks for the great videos! Keep at it!
i just picked up a set (3) of these pickups. they each still have the oroginal tape, amf the crappy wires :) i'm going to have them fixed up by my piclup guy before i install them.the guy i bought them from was a guitar tech and told me they were pilled out of an old hagstrom. they look awesome!
I found a gold foil once that the pickup took a hit an wrecked the coil. Its bobbin was carboard/paper. I still have it. I may try to 3d print a bobbin and rewind it.
Great job as always. I saw the original 60 cycle hum episode on that pickup the other day. Thought I'd never find out what it was.
Colin, do you prefer "Doctor" "Professor" "Magus" or something else?
Magus seems appropriate. That or Archmage
Sensei :D
Yes.
Hi Colin and Rayan. Thank you both for your great work. Pickup electronics has been always been my a lot of queries and have been reading, watching many professionals in this area, have taken Seymour Duncan 101 course, following ThroBak Guitar Lounge, Dylan Talks tone and other guitar electronics and tone nods!! Please excuse my silly question, according to ThroBak Guitar Lounge company UA-cam channel in case of changing the type of Alnico magnet in vintage PAF pickup, both ends plus the top and bottom parts of the Magnet bar need to be checked as well !! Which made me think what is the exact pattern of magnetism around all ends of the bar !!( top, bottom, ends and the sides) 🤔🤔Your input is much appreciated please in a new video on your channel explaining how to do reversing the polarity of the humbucker bridge can be understood in addition reversing the wiring too to have hum free pickup especially when using rotatory 5 way 4 poles switch wiring Bridge humbucker and Neck humbucker pickups!! Thank you Colin👍👍
13:37 that ICP reference killed me XD
Microphonic with whale sounds.. I like that.
Very interesting, I did not think at all about checking the polarity that way. You just thought me someting today!
Love gold foil pickups! This was, naturally, incredibly fascinating. Bravo!
My God... That ICP reference 😂
Enjoyed your excellent video. Fashion is a strange thing, I used to go to a lot of car boot sales and old plywood body Japanese solid guitars with these simple pickups on them could be picked up for around £15 most weeks. Nowadays after players have decided that their distinctive sound is quite useable I guess that they cost a whole lot more. I’m pretty sure that I have a few laying around somewhere, I must look them out and start using them.
Dude !! I saw the bottle of Laphroaig in the background !! It’s sooo “peat-y,” earthy, & smokey and the WAY it’s smokey: it’s got to be the peat, right ? It’s a special kind of smoke-y ness that-in America-I’ve experienced ONLY from Scottish whiskey. I’ve been told that Ireland also has peat or turf, but in the Irish whiskies I’ve tasted, that special “the earth is smouldering” taste isn’t there…
You can use the inside wrapper of a chocolate bar applied to a course linen cloth with spray adhesive and rubbed gently into the cloth . Also fine nylon mesh I use to replace rotten fabric mesh in old Vox speaker cabinets behind the grill cloth will give a different pattern .Other material from tolex to embossed tissue will give different patterns .
I’m an electrician; I could imagine figuring out the electromagnetic problem. bUTT! : the “refurb” blows me away. Impossible: had no idea you could bring the looks back from the dead like that. WoW
We're all really thankfull for you opening the pickup anyway even tho it wasn't necesary to fix it
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Sorry, my english is brockrn
Ironically the only broken English was the word broken.
Please don't apologise, it is the greatest shame that I can only speak one language. I wish I could form a sentence in any other.
@@ScienceofLoud Hey c'mon now, at least you're really good at using the language you've got.
For example, the majority of native English speakers wouldn't have known that mistake was ironic.
@@aaronwebb1548 agree
@@ScienceofLoud -
Masterfully subtle ICP reference; I lol’d.
Top ten crossovers of anime history. Damn I love these lads
Thanks for showing the inside of that pickup. Too bad the gold layer came off, but I guess that's now part of the history of this pickup. I would not replace the foil - keep it authentic. Do you have any idea how many winds they put on those coils? Perhaps an estimate from the DC resistance.
Fine job doctor! I also enjoy solving problems
What a collab!!!
Guys these Colaborations are great!
Laphroiag 10, excellent choice sir.
Damn! I’m gonna send Colin all my broken crap 😁
For Ryan's advocate, most cheap single coil ceramic pickups are equipped with single magnet with its polarity up and down, where it makes contact with the metal polepieces. I understand why Ryan first thought of flipping the magnet upside down.
Forget too afraid, these are answers to questions I didn't know to ask
Thank you so much, you help me a lot, I had exactly the same problem.
Love to see something to do with your reel to reel.
Colin, loving your work, please can we confirm an ICP reference there?
Lmao your ICP reference 😂
Marry me.
Thanks heaps Colin. Always curious about different style pickups but don't know much about them. Just from this video, it helped explained alot. Can you make a video for installing these Fishman Fluence humbuckers from the beginning. They look hard when wired up with the charger aswell. Great video though. "MORE GAIN"
This is the video you are looking for: ua-cam.com/video/WdEQv6I_n_c/v-deo.html
Fluence are actually super simple to install, the instructions are just garbage at explaining how the pickups are working.
@@ScienceofLoud I've just checked out the video. Thanks buddy. Trying to learn wiring but zoned out on your demo. That Harley Benton looks amazing and that riff.... holy s#*t dude, your growling voice with that sick riff... would buy your album. Great job.
would love to see Colin look at a rubber magnet gold foil and talk about it.
ah. my favorite crossover
Nice ICP reference
Oh snap! the Saga of the Goldfoil continues
I feel like Frank Zappa would've like that pickup in condition it was in at the beginning of the video.
Nice, now she sounds like a proper foil!
bro when he threw the sticker i died lmaooo ty for the watch!
Hi Colin, I bought a used guitar a few weeks ago, and after bringing it home I found out that when the tone knob is turned all the way up, it cuts my signal to the amp in half. Another strange thing is that it turns the opposite way than the volume knob. Maybe that's normal for some guitar models, but I've never experienced that before. Any thoughts? Love your vids man
Dude what delay is that? Honestly I've never even owned a delay pedal but that sounds amazing.
That's not a delay pedal, it's my 70s tape recorder: ua-cam.com/video/xukL-ysWf3A/v-deo.html
Quite elementary, my dear Watson (Colin)
it was out of phase with itself! haha
Well, that was fun and interesting - Magnets! 🤷♀️ Thanks
Oh SHIT, it's fuckin' Ryan!
cool converted R2R tape delay, I usually convert the tube ones to guitar amps. Peace!
I’m sure the issue with magnets was the same reason why Brian May scrapped making his own pickups and bought the Trisonics. I think he said that his own pickups made a whistling sound because of the bar magnets he used
Just out of curiosity how much is a bottle of Laphroaig there? Also a decent bottle of bourbon? Curious what the price differences are between the states and there.
The bottle of Laphroaig he has in the video is $32 in Scotland
I fkn love this channel
I've got an old Tiesco with two gold foils. Nothing works on it. Saving it for a rainy day to try to take it apart
This video made me realize why my BKPs weren't sounding good... compass trick is a godsend, thank you Colin. Now they're sounding good, installed correctly, but turns out I overpaid for them since other brands sound better :D
Haha yup, would never pay brand new for a set of BKPs.
God I loved this video, so fun to watch the process
Very informative. Kinda assumed would be done to the magnets. Evidently in my guitar journey I’m learning which is always a positive. Unrelated question . I’ve recently acquired a re issue epiphone coronet. Has cts pots. And p90 pro in the bridge. ( only has the one pick-up) I’m going to switch it out. But unsure as to whether go down the Monty’s 54 p90 in bridge which gets great reviews. Or change it to a a reproduction of the original New Yorker pick-up by Curtis Novak who has a great reputation with an altered pick gaurd to match. He winds them to similar output of a vintage p90. Any suggestions on which one you would opt for? Any advice be helpful . Cheers
Good video - nice to see Ryan pop in.
I'll be buggered if I have ever been able to understand magnetic fields!
Edit: were you recording on that tape machine behind you?
That tape machine in the back is true, old school, analog tape delay.
YESSSSSSSS 😤😤😤 the stars have aligned!
You the man,Colin!!!🤘
Great crossover !
To summarize, there was something wrong with the pickup. Something about the magnet. Colin fexed et.
That is all we commoners need to know.
nice 1 colin..where did you get your winder?and how much did it cost?.im going to start making my own pups for myself and my mates..cheers .
That gold looks exactly like a hot foil stamping. there's a few youtubers doing old school press printing that I've seen doing that sort of thing.
Got one from my teisco del Rey guitar
"I couldn't say where she's comin' from, but I just met a lady named 60 Cycle Humm"
- sorry couldn't resist.
love the background music
^ ^ Isn t it amazing that we live on a planet that is basically a giant ferric magnet! Foxy Love VVxx
Pickup makes AC makes lots of chat about pedals make more sense
I'm loving that Colin's Crotch Cam™
Great content!
Great video!
Sounds like I'll need to switch to gold foils
great video ! collabs are always cool.
14:03 but that's not a 90 degrees rotation, right ?
The smallest rotation one can perform on a cuboid is 90 degrees for it to sit flat on a face.
To invert North to South one needs to rotate the magnet 2 x 90 degrees, or 180 degrees.
a single 90 degree rotation would have the North facing down or up, which isn't useful
@@ScienceofLoud then we agree !