If you look at people through the lens of ideas, concepts,prejudices you create a image of them. The image that you have of yourself is false and need narcissistic supply to maintain. Thanks J.k.
-You will receive a body. -You will create thought. -This thought will create disorder. -The disorder will not be seen as such by you. -This conditioning creates illusion. -The illusion becomes truth to you, but thought cannot create truth. -You will forget all of this.
Actually thought did solve the probelm between me and my wife. "Stop controlling and putting me down. I dont do that to you. Let's treat each other faily as equals." It works. Perfectly exact and good hearted thought can solve problems. K himself is using thought to try to show us how to solve probklems through no thought. So the answer is Wrong perfect surgical thought that gets right to the heart of the problem and makes it irreflutable. Of course, it might take a very long time to get to that place.
Though can invent things and solve 3d problems and it will be helping solve. But JK talks about psychological problems. Here we know that the basic nature of thought is divisive. It first creates a storm and then offers us to give an umbrella as the solution. This round and round chase continues. Problems (invented by the thought) abound with solutions coming from the same level of thought.
Image making is not possible without reflection. But in order to reflect on something you have to be at a distance from it. So when you say "I am good", you have already created a separateness or a distance between 'you' and goodness. Likewise, any other quality or attribute.
Very informative. Important is that even "end to make an image" can be an image. Even a positive image is an image. Wars are based not only on the negative images. Occupants often invade as "brothers" coming to make everyone free. Information about what the "brothers" have done not only a hundred years ago, but even 10 years ago can help to avoid cycle repetition. Refusing the facts, people create positive images of the invading devastators.
Wow psychology in its purest .. he said the answer is in you... if you know how to listen. It is possible not to register but it will take WANT and HRAD WORK
"To Look" JK never says it's easy, it's terrifying to look within unbiased - and discovering of being a thriving extention of the established order, that fact needs more than looking alone but, together in the companion of the unfathomable.
It may be terrifying to realize that you are image making and that you believe yourself to be that, but then you realize you are not that. You are beyond that. The images and perspectives of yourself are not you. You transcend them. And that is a lovely and loving thing to know. To me, this is the key to unconditional love. When we can see beyond judgements, we can love everything unconditionally. In other words, don't judge a book by it's cover. Just my thoughts on this whole topic.
Don't register any thing in your mind . It will become an image . Whole mankind is in you . Registration is a mechanical process . It is totally dangerous . It prevents unity in mankind . You experience it and know . Be unconditional ! Don't get confusion ! Have clarity !
So now we create macine or the same response in an immage we sold in some way ? We , us , all ppl watch , can be fluid an immage or can we be human when we have a relationship in every form?
No , why? Yes , why? Or maybe it is not a measurement but the all If everyone needs an immage , if it is impossible now for all , but maybe we, outside the box , in our reality we can look all , take a step behind for comprehend a little bit the outside
World isnt mechanical that is a concept and the world isnt a concept . As for Humans they are making themselves mechanical and the man cannot even see himself if he lives in concept.
When the mind is conditioned for making images about the person the observer fails to observe because previous thoughts are flashing and never try to look as is. Therefore, its very dangerous to form images with respect to human beings. One should never ever get influenced by other's praise or condemnation and should remain free from image making process. Very beautifully explained by J Krishnamurti sir why it's important to remain absolutely free from image creation. However, one should remember images of science, technology so as to take advantage of collective accumulated depository of knowledge and have an access to those when required and keep adding new creation which should evolve the process of recording, registering in the mind.. Worth listening to this video, time and again.
Basically, image means the past. Modified continuity of the past prevent seeing what Is. This leads to all the rest, like loving ideas instead of the thing. An illusion loving mind that creates fear and violence.
Only a person who is good at heart, sufficiently intelligent, sensitive and free from the adversities of the outside world can possibly benefit from such profound teachings.
His effort is priceless. He wants the audience to understand directly but its quite difficult to understand what he is trying to say, very easy to grasp intellectually but it just becomes a part of knowledge in our brain.
@17:50 When there is a division between the observer and the observed example; 1. Say the observer observes in the mirror a cut on his nose and tries to fix it by placing a bandaid over it on the mirror. Will he succeed? Of course not because the observer is trying to fix the observed nose image in the mirror by placing bandaid on the mirror and not on it’s own real nose.That is what happens when the observer thinks that it is separate from the observed. 2. Now observe what is being observed in the mirror of the universe. Observe anyone; your wife, friend or your boss. Remember the observed is being projected by the observer in the mirror of the universe and there is no separate entity in reality the way the observer is perceiving. Like the previous example the observer cannot work on and change the observed images that it is projecting in the universe. All it can do is stop seeing it that way. See that it is already OK as it is. Then there is no problem. So what happens to all the projected images of the others? They are gone, because they are not different from the observer. There is nobody else there. One hand clapping all the times.
So true! Amazing insights like a mirror held to our mind and feels like open eyed meditation with him moving our perception deeper and deeper! However, realistically how many people will think or live this deeply and then for collective consciousness to reach that level so that we can create and maintain a more pleasant reality around us is almost too far fetched, hence the depression/suffering that how amazing and immense possibilities are and yet we live like primitive animals ruled by senses, thoughts and emotions.
I am conditioned. My response is conditioned for a situation. I cannot be free of conditioning through effort. My conditioning ends only through perception. Perception won't come through effort. We thus are not in control.
Thats not true , you have an automated response to evrything , when you see the automated response comming trough awernes , you can stop it , and act acording to your will. Therfore , if you are angry at a friend for example , you can see the enrgy build up , and decide for yourself , if you want to shout on him or not. Its your decision how you direct that energy. Unless you dont see it, than you go by your automated response.
You are free you have always been free surrender to what IS because there is nothing to be free from that singular Is which is in control the formless constant that manifests all reality and unmanifested Is because I am beyond am-ness. I am zero for that the self having free will and that god energy that controls it will break in the end and there is only beyond energy beyond movement and time. Beyond words beyond conditioning. Beyond nature and reality beyond the word of god. Beyond the Me. Just eternal silent IS.
The problem with image making is that it can never resemble the real person. And there is always a conflict between the image and the person. We compare the two everytime We meet. We don't see the person as they are, we see them in comparison to the image we have in our mind.
" the registration..is the image making.." How wonderful to be still after such a long time, experience 'K' like new!..timeless. Thanks for this post! :-)
12:47 it always makes me laugh so hard seeing that he gets sometimes all excited because people don't get what he's talking about as it is in fact so simple, they are waiting for an answer from him, then he realizes pretty quickly that he felt into his own trap, which is getting excited about it and instantly calm down. Because he knows that for the unawaken mind, excitation would be a sign of anything but wisdom.
in the begining there was oneness. The return to it in the realisation of the beautiful unbounded nothingness. a) Can you hear that ? b) What ? a) That b) I cannot hear nothing, only the birds, animals, the traffic in the distance a) Exactly ! Don’t you just love listening to nothingness it’s so overwhelming a) See you see that ? b) What ? a) That b) I cannot see nothing, only the trees, the earth, the sky, the cars in the distance a) Exactly ! Don’t you just love seeing nothingness it’s so overwhelming
He seems caught off guard by his own observation. Then he collects his composure. The thing that lately stands out the most to me and is most interesting is this expressiveness of his. It seems very transparent to me, very honest.
The essence here is that register is useful for mechanical things we do in life, but when we want to be truly human, we need not to impose on reality our beliefs, our registered experiences. Meeting "as if it is the first time", not adding any "geometries of thought" is the essence of Edmund Husserl's Phaenomenology (see World-of-Life concept) and Meneghetti's ontological nexus. To achieve that the symbolic habits must fall, a serious practice is needed. It is not easy, but not impossible.
Speechlessly stunning! depth lies in almost all statements! which is uttered by this simple person with casual smiles! "is the observer the observed" "is talking communication between two images?" "is it possible to be free from registration?"
You say that thought is limited and fragmentary. But you also Say Be light to thyself. Is it not a thought. Is the Divine wisdom enshrined in various scriptures, not required????? Kindly answer Secondly i have seen various people who are well aware of their misdeeds, they observe it deeply, but they are not able to muster up the courage to come out of that gutter . Therefore even the great observers have no free minds. I have seen various wise and great observers sinking in the gutter of vices What would you say?
If you fail not to register an image, then atleast let that image be positive, meaning good images ; be good, do good and think good ; because, doing good, does good only to the doer and never to anyone else !!
Please do not answer him when he is only asking these questions metaphorically. Just listen. Many in the audience do not know "where this is coming from" so to say.
.... quando ELE perguntou as horas p/alguém na plateia,,,vc vê toda delicada forma doce e gentil de se aproximar de outro humano.... "..ohh my Lord"..um gentlenan...
Really Krishmurti ji our images always changes in society perspective some times they cherish another time they defame, that's is worst thing that love, friendship is worst hollow, but as compare to that the love or friendship of our parents, our soul and the Almighty power is everything. Because this society can cherish you if you do that make themselves happy or at another abruptly can rebuke or defame you if they don't like, that's what buddha has taught love every one he didn't hates the haters or his followers both was had beings treated by him same manner same ,and this is applicable to kanir nanak, meera etc , but now in 21thcentury their follower can't do so. And that paradox.
So our perceptions about others have to be broken in order for us to understand them. When JK says, find out for yourself , I was thinking, is it possible to stop image building/perception building by showing Empathy?
Highly admirable propositions.... It is probably in a bearable surrundimg... Unfortunately from times immemorial, the human or animals had lived, are living and there may be no time to give thought to theoretical approach to the immediate consequences.. Nevertheless, it is useful, at least in limited circumstances and shall work to be useful. Thanks and regards. 🙏
@19:00 out of confusion you create more confusion operating with your total intelligence that is confused. Clarity happens when there is no division between the observer and the observed, then there is no self centered activity no choice no attachment and no image making in operation.
thats almost the top of the top talks not many will understand... and not much money can be made like other gurus do.... clean and straight to the point... and who doesnt get it he is simply not ready yet... come back next lifetime...
I see what's happening...
*I don't mind what happens...*
At 10:46 he mutters "Jesus" under his breath in reaction to someone blurting out a question. Love it :)
I thought I heard that too
Is he a Christian?
@@patrisagar6548 again you started image making.
So extremely profound 🙏🏻
I don't know how to thank you for what you have said. So I bow down myself to express my gratitude..🙏🙏
Great person he is.
Lol, he does remimd me of Yoda
"Don't ask ever How, but LOOK...at Your Image...See what it does" - priceless.
An innocent mind like a small baby which neither get hurt nor flattered by whatever we say as it doesn't know registering and we say same to God!
Wow. That was immensely clear.
nice
This is brilliant and helpful. Thanks J Krishnamurti
There is pure gold.
one kind of a man that I dont want to stop listening to
Thank you
Thank you for posting the videos of JK.
Thank you for this video
Superb...excellent...mind blowing
Please post more videos on J Krishnamurti 🙏
Great..thank you
Thank you for the insightful video 🌼
Freedom from attachment and image making.
If you look at people through the lens of ideas, concepts,prejudices you create a image of them. The image that you have of yourself is false and need narcissistic supply to maintain. Thanks J.k.
Thought hasn't created the problems, identifying with them has.
This man is lit
Respect 🙏🙏
God may we see the way out from illusion... bless this world full of long suffering hearts.
-You will receive a body.
-You will create thought.
-This thought will create disorder.
-The disorder will not be seen as such by you.
-This conditioning creates illusion.
-The illusion becomes truth to you, but thought cannot create truth.
-You will forget all of this.
10:47
Feuding Drums hahaha
Actually thought did solve the probelm between me and my wife. "Stop controlling and putting me down. I dont do that to you. Let's treat each other faily as equals." It works. Perfectly exact and good hearted thought can solve problems. K himself is using thought to try to show us how to solve probklems through no thought. So the answer is Wrong perfect surgical thought that gets right to the heart of the problem and makes it irreflutable. Of course, it might take a very long time to get to that place.
Though can invent things and solve 3d problems and it will be helping solve. But JK talks about psychological problems. Here we know that the basic nature of thought is divisive. It first creates a storm and then offers us to give an umbrella as the solution. This round and round chase continues. Problems (invented by the thought) abound with solutions coming from the same level of thought.
Image making is not possible without reflection. But in order to reflect on something you have to be at a distance from it. So when you say "I am good", you have already created a separateness or a distance between 'you' and goodness. Likewise, any other quality or attribute.
Very informative. Important is that even "end to make an image" can be an image. Even a positive image is an image. Wars are based not only on the negative images. Occupants often invade as "brothers" coming to make everyone free. Information about what the "brothers" have done not only a hundred years ago, but even 10 years ago can help to avoid cycle repetition. Refusing the facts, people create positive images of the invading devastators.
Wow psychology in its purest .. he said the answer is in you... if you know how to listen. It is possible not to register but it will take WANT and HRAD WORK
"To Look" JK never says it's easy, it's terrifying to look within unbiased - and discovering of being a thriving extention of the established order, that fact needs more than looking alone but, together in the companion of the unfathomable.
It may be terrifying to realize that you are image making and that you believe yourself to be that, but then you realize you are not that. You are beyond that. The images and perspectives of yourself are not you. You transcend them. And that is a lovely and loving thing to know. To me, this is the key to unconditional love. When we can see beyond judgements, we can love everything unconditionally. In other words, don't judge a book by it's cover. Just my thoughts on this whole topic.
Don't register any thing in your mind . It will become an image . Whole mankind is in you . Registration is a mechanical process .
It is totally dangerous . It prevents unity in mankind .
You experience it and know .
Be unconditional ! Don't get confusion ! Have clarity !
gravity is the most intuitive one
How do we not register?
So now we create macine or the same response in an immage we sold in some way ? We , us , all ppl watch , can be fluid an immage or can we be human when we have a relationship in every form?
No , why?
Yes , why?
Or maybe it is not a measurement but the all
If everyone needs an immage , if it is impossible now for all , but maybe we, outside the box , in our reality we can look all , take a step behind for comprehend a little bit the outside
7:49
Don't believe our thought.
So be mindless😆
"Have a mind that is totally innocent. That can never be hurt & never be flattered."
The ego can be hurt, the mind is just a mechanism.
@@johnmc3862 ur birth is a mechanism.
World isnt mechanical that is a concept and the world isnt a concept . As for Humans they are making themselves mechanical and the man cannot even see himself if he lives in concept.
ego doesn't exist therefore it gets hurt when it find itself in unfavorable conditions
When the mind is conditioned for making images about the person the observer fails to observe because previous thoughts are flashing and never try to look as is. Therefore, its very dangerous to form images with respect to human beings. One should never ever get influenced by other's praise or condemnation and should remain free from image making process. Very beautifully explained by J Krishnamurti sir why it's important to remain absolutely free from image creation. However, one should remember images of science, technology so as to take advantage of collective accumulated depository of knowledge and have an access to those when required and keep adding new creation which should evolve the process of recording, registering in the mind.. Worth listening to this video, time and again.
Freedom from the known - read this book by JK. It's a masterpiece.
I will. Thank you
I did, it's a treasure.
One of my favorite books.
Thanks for the book...I am eager to read it ☺️
First and last freedom too.
people change through time so having the same image in your mind about a person is unreliable.
The true nature of who you are is immutable. Pure Awareness.
Basically, image means the past. Modified continuity of the past prevent seeing what Is. This leads to all the rest, like loving ideas instead of the thing. An illusion loving mind that creates fear and violence.
Only a person who is good at heart, sufficiently intelligent, sensitive and free from the adversities of the outside world can possibly benefit from such profound teachings.
10.48, Krishnamurti curses with Jesus cause a random person suddenly interrupts 😂
His effort is priceless. He wants the audience to understand directly but its quite difficult to understand what he is trying to say, very easy to grasp intellectually but it just becomes a part of knowledge in our brain.
He always blows our mind with such unique and sharp perception about happenings of life.🙏
When your mind do not register an image, then your mind transcends, and it becomes pure.
Richard Okenwa why you want to be pure? What is pure?
Imagery is naturally part of the mind as in dreaming.
The ultimate inteligence
best talk of him, now i completely understand the image thing
@17:50 When there is a division between the observer and the observed example;
1. Say the observer observes in the mirror a cut on his nose and tries to fix it by placing a bandaid over it on the mirror. Will he succeed? Of course not because the observer is trying to fix the observed nose image in the mirror by placing bandaid on the mirror and not on it’s own real nose.That is what happens when the observer thinks that it is separate from the observed.
2. Now observe what is being observed in the mirror of the universe. Observe anyone; your wife, friend or your boss. Remember the observed is being projected by the observer in the mirror of the universe and there is no separate entity in reality the way the observer is perceiving. Like the previous example the observer cannot work on and change the observed images that it is projecting in the universe. All it can do is stop seeing it that way. See that it is already OK as it is. Then there is no problem.
So what happens to all the projected images of the others? They are gone, because they are not different from the observer. There is nobody else there. One hand clapping all the times.
Listen, experience, find out for yourself and forget what the speaker said.
JK, always so sharp and fresh.
So true! Amazing insights like a mirror held to our mind and feels like open eyed meditation with him moving our perception deeper and deeper! However, realistically how many people will think or live this deeply and then for collective consciousness to reach that level so that we can create and maintain a more pleasant reality around us is almost too far fetched, hence the depression/suffering that how amazing and immense possibilities are and yet we live like primitive animals ruled by senses, thoughts and emotions.
I am conditioned. My response is conditioned for a situation. I cannot be free of conditioning through effort. My conditioning ends only through perception. Perception won't come through effort. We thus are not in control.
Thats not true , you have an automated response to evrything , when you see the automated response comming trough awernes , you can stop it , and act acording to your will. Therfore , if you are angry at a friend for example , you can see the enrgy build up , and decide for yourself , if you want to shout on him or not. Its your decision how you direct that energy. Unless you dont see it, than you go by your automated response.
You are free you have always been free surrender to what IS because there is nothing to be free from that singular Is which is in control the formless constant that manifests all reality and unmanifested Is because I am beyond am-ness. I am zero for that the self having free will and that god energy that controls it will break in the end and there is only beyond energy beyond movement and time. Beyond words beyond conditioning. Beyond nature and reality beyond the word of god. Beyond the Me. Just eternal silent IS.
The problem with image making is that it can never resemble the real person. And there is always a conflict between the image and the person. We compare the two everytime We meet. We don't see the person as they are, we see them in comparison to the image we have in our mind.
" the registration..is the image making.."
How wonderful to be still after such a long time, experience 'K' like new!..timeless.
Thanks for this post! :-)
12:47 it always makes me laugh so hard seeing that he gets sometimes all excited because people don't get what he's talking about as it is in fact so simple, they are waiting for an answer from him, then he realizes pretty quickly that he felt into his own trap, which is getting excited about it and instantly calm down. Because he knows that for the unawaken mind, excitation would be a sign of anything but wisdom.
I rather see it as his (com)passion and sincerity.
Life is perpetual conditioning? How to escape...
Thought is the disorder in which I live. Agreed.
in the begining there was oneness. The return to it in the realisation of the beautiful unbounded nothingness.
a) Can you hear that ?
b) What ?
a) That
b) I cannot hear nothing, only the birds, animals, the traffic in the distance
a) Exactly ! Don’t you just love listening to nothingness it’s so overwhelming
a) See you see that ?
b) What ?
a) That
b) I cannot see nothing, only the trees, the earth, the sky, the cars in the distance
a) Exactly ! Don’t you just love seeing nothingness it’s so overwhelming
7:29 LOLLL
He almost said "for god's sake" lol
7:26. He was seriously dedicated to his craft
He seems caught off guard by his own observation. Then he collects his composure. The thing that lately stands out the most to me and is most interesting is this expressiveness of his. It seems very transparent to me, very honest.
" Don't repeat what I have said, Find out for yourself "
The essence here is that register is useful for mechanical things we do in life, but when we want to be truly human, we need not to impose on reality our beliefs, our registered experiences. Meeting "as if it is the first time", not adding any "geometries of thought" is the essence of Edmund Husserl's Phaenomenology (see World-of-Life concept) and Meneghetti's ontological nexus. To achieve that the symbolic habits must fall, a serious practice is needed. It is not easy, but not impossible.
too deep for shallow people
Better to paddle around in the shallow water then to be thrown into the deep water and not know how to swim
You have an image about yourself, that you are smarter than others. Which as Kmurti just saidnis false.. :)
Speechlessly stunning! depth lies in almost all statements! which is uttered by this simple person with casual smiles!
"is the observer the observed"
"is talking communication between two images?"
"is it possible to be free from registration?"
You say that thought is limited and fragmentary. But you also Say
Be light to thyself.
Is it not a thought.
Is the Divine wisdom enshrined in various scriptures, not required?????
Kindly answer
Secondly i have seen various people who are well aware of their misdeeds, they observe it deeply, but they are not able to muster up the courage to come out of that gutter . Therefore even the great observers have no free minds. I have seen various wise and great observers sinking in the gutter of vices
What would you say?
how can we know who is dangerous if we are not registering thoughts in our minds
if we don't register people will harm again again ..
we will to the dangerous man again and again
Who's making the value judgements? How does the brain decides this is an insult or a compliment? There must be a self! An "I" during the registration.
Here is wisdom
JK ''s talks are great, but he never solved a problem as well.
Because there is no such thing as problem. It is the conflict of images that creates problem. You drop the image and the problem is dropped.
You miss the point he makes.
Do the audience even know basic manners of not interrupting his speech? It's a talk not a discussion. Ask those damn questions at Q&A damn it!
If you fail not to register an image, then atleast let that image be positive, meaning good images ; be good, do good and think good ; because, doing good, does good only to the doer and never to anyone else !!
Please do not answer him when he is only asking these questions metaphorically. Just listen. Many in the audience do not know "where this is coming from" so to say.
Imagine wht would be beyond our imaginations,conditionings,,,
Spontaneous purpose
Everyone is conditioned..this is mine..this is mine..but nothing is mine..but how drop this all🙏
If he was born 1000-1500 years ago, he would have been added in the list of gods wherever he was from.he is in a different dimension altogether.🙏
He is just a normal, INTELLIGENT human being. Nothing more, nothing less
@@luxaeterna3246 ,✅👍
super...👌 ...only KM jee..put it succinctly.
Sensational talk but complicate to understand.
You're a blessing to me
The relationship is a the healer to find purpose
🙏🙏
What the interrupting men said???
sir u nailed it again...ooh again image is made😊
Knowledge Ignorance veil
.... quando ELE perguntou as horas p/alguém na plateia,,,vc vê toda delicada forma doce e gentil de se aproximar de outro humano....
"..ohh my Lord"..um gentlenan...
💜
Really Krishmurti ji our images always changes in society perspective some times they cherish another time they defame, that's is worst thing that love, friendship is worst hollow, but as compare to that the love or friendship of our parents, our soul and the Almighty power is everything. Because this society can cherish you if you do that make themselves happy or at another abruptly can rebuke or defame you if they don't like, that's what buddha has taught love every one he didn't hates the haters or his followers both was had beings treated by him same manner same ,and this is applicable to kanir nanak, meera etc , but now in 21thcentury their follower can't do so. And that paradox.
So true and so misunderstood.
So our perceptions about others have to be broken in order for us to understand them. When JK says, find out for yourself , I was thinking, is it possible to stop image building/perception building by showing Empathy?
Highly admirable propositions.... It is probably in a bearable surrundimg... Unfortunately from times immemorial, the human or animals had lived, are living and there may be no time to give thought to theoretical approach to the immediate consequences..
Nevertheless, it is useful, at least in limited circumstances and shall work to be useful.
Thanks and regards. 🙏
So many Gurus. What abou human interactions? When should a person
stop to learn something? Obviously from his wiewpoint after listening to
him.
Psychological understanding is most necessary to see the image making and the image already made . self observation may help to go beyond.
The ego is mechanical the love IS equanimity (i.e doesn't register nor creates duality.)
Confusing logics
10:52 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@19:00 out of confusion you create more confusion operating with your total intelligence that is confused.
Clarity happens when there is no division between the observer and the observed, then there is no self centered activity no choice no attachment and no image making in operation.
The whole world act through images, but the reality is beyond images. We vigilant..
thats almost the top of the top talks not many will understand... and not much money can be made like other gurus do.... clean and straight to the point... and who doesnt get it he is simply not ready yet... come back next lifetime...