Aight I'll be real, the concept of this fangame honestly sounds great. I love how it seemed to plan on focusing on chara has a character with the whole limbo thing. And you got Alphys's character down to a T, Undyne was a slight bit more over the top than normal but that's the reason why everyone loves Undyne so I can look past that pretty easily. Papyrus was in character and still hilarious while Sans felt a bit too passive aggressive and unwelcoming, So if you were to remake the game (Which you really should the concept is awesome) You should probably remove the part where sans threatens the player. Also the concept of a robot hunting the player down is an interesting one that could add tension to the game but making the robot even remotely related to sans is kinda goofy, BUT a character in the same vain as red from undertale red chasing you around for an entire game would be... for lack of a better term FUCKING SICK! Also gaster interpretations are quite common so you could come up with your own. Overall the concept is great but the execution was ehh which is to be expected since like you said you started working on this project when you were young as all hell. Also don't worry about the whole gender thing, people have become way more open to the concept of frisk/Chara having actual genders in aus for a long time. Hell just look at Xtale or Glitchtale! Go for whatever you want and don't let a few bad apples drag ya down. Also coming back to the plot I have to be real here, having a story focused around Chara being in purgatory could be an interesting source of conflict, and no I'm not talking about the genocide route that'd be a boring topic to cover (It's been done to death). Imagine having a Chara that's heavily spiteful towards Asriel/Flowey for "Ruining their plan" or even downright aggressive, You could have a really interesting and unique take on Chara that people have never really tackled before. A character that feels betrayed by both humans and monsters alike, a story with heavy themes of acceptance. Alright I've went on a while this comment is WAYYY too long... My bad.
Thanks a lot! You looked deeper into this than I probably did.. I did say I'd tell the entire story I had for the game in animation form if I was certain I wouldn't be making it anymore, but I can add a few things here. sans being so aggressive to the player was actually done on purpose for reasons that only make sense after the neutral ending (yes there are multiple endings). Basically sans predicted everything and knew the player would end up putting Frisks life in danger. Still he could've been written a lot better. Surprised you liked Papyrus that much, he's the one character I thought I couldn't write at all! Also the robot assassin looking like sans was done because he'd end up being the games "megalovania fight", but even back then I didn't like him being sans.. His introduction would be him just admitting Gasters entire plan to them about making him look like sans to win their trust, but while replicating sans's personality he also replicated his laziness. His entire motive for killing them anyway would come from Chara insulting Papyrus, which felt kinda weak to me. With Chara's writing, I was originally just gonna make her a straight up tsundere, but more like Susie in chapter 1. While at first she wouldn't react much to Flowey, near the end there'd be a scene where all the conflict between the two would finally bubble over. Without spoiling too much, Chara unable to decide if she loves or hates Asriel ends up being the main plot point, also deciding which ending the player gets. So while I never focused on it, I guess I DID end up making the entire plot around Chara's conflict with Asriel!
This is a really awesome concept! I’ve had an Undertale fangame idea in my head for a while, so I’m glad people still make these. While we’re sharing ideas, I might give a premise on the story below to see what people think, though my coding skills are pretty rudimentary lol. So basically the game will be called Othertale, an AU that comes from an alternate timeline of the normal Undertale universe, only Gaster never shattered across time and space and Alphys was still his assistant. Much time past, and the monsters became tired of waiting for a human to fall. Eventually, having learned about other timelines, Alphys and Gaster set out to find a timeline in which the war never happened, and monsters remained on the surface. Hypothetically this would be Deltarune, but it doesn’t really matter as they never find this timeline. However, in their searches, Alphys accidentally creates a very strange and messed up timeline - the world of Othertale. The game would follow an androgynous human child (wow) with the soul trait of CURIOSITY. They would basically explore Othertale and they discover its mysteries, and finally fight Alphys and Gaster, who serve as antagonists despite’s Alphys’ guilt and reluctance to do so, in order to stop the timeline from being erased by a timeline-destroying device called THE MACHINE. The game would feature all the characters from Undertale, however with different roles and altered backstory (same personalities though). There would probably be a secret bad route in which the player uses THE MACHINE to destroy the other timelines as well, but it would have many requirements and probably a hidden morality system or something. Anyway that’s my concept, I’ve only very recently been skilled enough to even consider making it, but I gotta admit I do find it pretty exciting to think about even if I never upload it anywhere. If anyone sees this, feel free to tell me what you think. Also great video!
Chapter 1 could really do with an update but it is looking good so far, I think it can become one of the greatest fan games if you keep working on it. Also you said the dialogue was bad but I had so many laughs with it, it might be a case of working on a joke so much that you think it stops being funny. Also about the gender thing, I’m sure if you do release it, you may have to put in the description that it is your personal interpretation and so the genders may not be the same as others’ personal interpretation
Its currently 4 am for me, ill watch this video when im awake and give my thoughts on it Edit: Watched the video, 10/10 would love to see more Also im a big proponent of FemKris so I understand your fears.
@@urdeadnotbigsuprise7439But Normal Types learn lots of other moves with different Types. Also every starter would be a Dark Type so you shouldn't have to worry too much about getting Super-effective moves.
"Can you imagine what an UNDERTALE battle would be like if the screen was constantly spinning?" I think modern UNDERTALE fangames have that question answered for you.
Whatever you decide to do, don't scrap this just for the toxic side of the fandom. Do it if you want, and don't let anyone stop you. If you don't want to do it, don't force yourself. Let art and inspiration be why you chose to do or not do it, not any other human
Its not perfect, but its pretty nice, great idea overall, i waited to watch this video in better moment, to not miss anything, glad i did it, but probably missed some discussions.
i love this interpretation, plus i always wanted a fangame with flowey as a team member.. also i do see frisk and chara as girls as well, but it also makes sense theyre nonbinary so i just go with them being nonbinary
i had no idea that the fanbase was so strict about things like gender and sexuality. thats so bizarre to me. it reminds me of how i keep hearing people describe twitter: full of left extremists who will gatekeep those things to the point where their "fight for equality" almost turns into hatespeech. something like that. the genders of the kfc gang are up to interpretation, and theyre *fictional people* anyway. noelle has never been stated to be a lesbian, its just assumed that she is bc shes only ever shown interest torward susie, a girl. as a bisexual, that doesnt mean much. this exclusionary belief system is so sad honestly and completely defeats the purpose of actually fighting for equality.
It sucks to see that kind of corrupt ideology in this community, as it undermines progress for everyone involved. What's scarier is they believe they're doing the right thing, but won't listen to anyone else, so conversations can't be had; thus, creating the same issue on both sides of the subject.
So, Gruffet, do you actually subscribe to the theory that the red dialogue is actually Gaster and not Chara? 11:52 I forgot, they have an MTT fridge. 13:42 If this was just a placeholder, don't fix it. It's perfect for Papyrus. And for the record, I always thought Frisk and Kris were male and Chara was female. I've learned not to say that, tho. Anyway, I don't see why you CAN'T call them both female, if you want. And, ftr, Toby himself has been known to call Blookie "he." I can't say the fandom "bullied" Toby into correcting himself, but he did correct himself because of fan response. So, yeah, if you decide to finish this, keep them as girls.
i can understand why there is drama when it comes to talking abt the actual games (undertale and deltarune) but when you are talking abt a fangame, why would you assume that the characters have to be the same gender? for all the fandom cares, there coud be an AU where undyne is a guy and that would be the whole point of the AU (that idea is just an example as it would be, in my opinion, a terrible one) and no one would get mad over it, same thing goes for any other AUs/fangames, just because they are based in a game doesn't mean all the characters are based on their ingame counterpart
Oh i thinked that Frisk is a boy::D I really interested how people get to thinking that Frisk maybe a girl, even thorough i am surpised and cant understand that, i am just interested, and would like to see this game fully made.
While I feel like the base premise feels like an excuse to reuse assets more than anything else, I often joke about Toby being a hack for his use of lietmotifs so that not necessarily a bad thing. The way characters are presented here feels very much like how I'd expect a fan interpretation of them to be. Mostly exaggerated, but on the right track. Though Alphys warning the player about MTT right after telling Undyne to calm down is weird. I will say that it feels like you're capable of making something interesting off attention to detail alone, but I agree with the general decision to finish Case Files first. That said, I also always assumed that Frisk and Chara were girls. And it seems like most people do, at least from the circles I'm in. But I'm not surprised the Homestuck Tumblr refugees would be rabid and toxic over non issues. Which is a shame, because it just ends up with them digging their own grave. At least as a Chrono Trigger fan I can blame Square for our total lack of fan content. But I couldn't imagine being in the DeltaTale community and watch people whine about the lack to UnderRune content only to strike down said content in the same breath.
Tbh this deltarune intro cringed me soo hard that air around me started cringing and cringe air was transported to my blood soo now I have a cringed blood WHICH MAKES ME CRINGE
Wonder what would happen if I post this on the subreddit.. I mean, TECHNICALLY the rules only mention KRIS gender discussion
Do it and post the reactions of subreddit here.
@@urdeadnotbigsuprise7439 yes, I wanna see that video!
yes please i need to see what chaos happens
I can tell there was a real passion put into this project, despite being a little rough around the edges.
Aight I'll be real, the concept of this fangame honestly sounds great. I love how it seemed to plan on focusing on chara has a character with the whole limbo thing. And you got Alphys's character down to a T, Undyne was a slight bit more over the top than normal but that's the reason why everyone loves Undyne so I can look past that pretty easily. Papyrus was in character and still hilarious while Sans felt a bit too passive aggressive and unwelcoming, So if you were to remake the game (Which you really should the concept is awesome) You should probably remove the part where sans threatens the player. Also the concept of a robot hunting the player down is an interesting one that could add tension to the game but making the robot even remotely related to sans is kinda goofy, BUT a character in the same vain as red from undertale red chasing you around for an entire game would be... for lack of a better term FUCKING SICK! Also gaster interpretations are quite common so you could come up with your own.
Overall the concept is great but the execution was ehh which is to be expected since like you said you started working on this project when you were young as all hell. Also don't worry about the whole gender thing, people have become way more open to the concept of frisk/Chara having actual genders in aus for a long time. Hell just look at Xtale or Glitchtale! Go for whatever you want and don't let a few bad apples drag ya down.
Also coming back to the plot I have to be real here, having a story focused around Chara being in purgatory could be an interesting source of conflict, and no I'm not talking about the genocide route that'd be a boring topic to cover (It's been done to death). Imagine having a Chara that's heavily spiteful towards Asriel/Flowey for "Ruining their plan" or even downright aggressive, You could have a really interesting and unique take on Chara that people have never really tackled before. A character that feels betrayed by both humans and monsters alike, a story with heavy themes of acceptance.
Alright I've went on a while this comment is WAYYY too long... My bad.
Thanks a lot! You looked deeper into this than I probably did.. I did say I'd tell the entire story I had for the game in animation form if I was certain I wouldn't be making it anymore, but I can add a few things here. sans being so aggressive to the player was actually done on purpose for reasons that only make sense after the neutral ending (yes there are multiple endings). Basically sans predicted everything and knew the player would end up putting Frisks life in danger. Still he could've been written a lot better. Surprised you liked Papyrus that much, he's the one character I thought I couldn't write at all! Also the robot assassin looking like sans was done because he'd end up being the games "megalovania fight", but even back then I didn't like him being sans.. His introduction would be him just admitting Gasters entire plan to them about making him look like sans to win their trust, but while replicating sans's personality he also replicated his laziness. His entire motive for killing them anyway would come from Chara insulting Papyrus, which felt kinda weak to me.
With Chara's writing, I was originally just gonna make her a straight up tsundere, but more like Susie in chapter 1. While at first she wouldn't react much to Flowey, near the end there'd be a scene where all the conflict between the two would finally bubble over. Without spoiling too much, Chara unable to decide if she loves or hates Asriel ends up being the main plot point, also deciding which ending the player gets. So while I never focused on it, I guess I DID end up making the entire plot around Chara's conflict with Asriel!
This is a really awesome concept! I’ve had an Undertale fangame idea in my head for a while, so I’m glad people still make these. While we’re sharing ideas, I might give a premise on the story below to see what people think, though my coding skills are pretty rudimentary lol.
So basically the game will be called Othertale, an AU that comes from an alternate timeline of the normal Undertale universe, only Gaster never shattered across time and space and Alphys was still his assistant.
Much time past, and the monsters became tired of waiting for a human to fall. Eventually, having learned about other timelines, Alphys and Gaster set out to find a timeline in which the war never happened, and monsters remained on the surface. Hypothetically this would be Deltarune, but it doesn’t really matter as they never find this timeline.
However, in their searches, Alphys accidentally creates a very strange and messed up timeline - the world of Othertale.
The game would follow an androgynous human child (wow) with the soul trait of CURIOSITY. They would basically explore Othertale and they discover its mysteries, and finally fight Alphys and Gaster, who serve as antagonists despite’s Alphys’ guilt and reluctance to do so, in order to stop the timeline from being erased by a timeline-destroying device called THE MACHINE.
The game would feature all the characters from Undertale, however with different roles and altered backstory (same personalities though). There would probably be a secret bad route in which the player uses THE MACHINE to destroy the other timelines as well, but it would have many requirements and probably a hidden morality system or something.
Anyway that’s my concept, I’ve only very recently been skilled enough to even consider making it, but I gotta admit I do find it pretty exciting to think about even if I never upload it anywhere. If anyone sees this, feel free to tell me what you think. Also great video!
I hope you can continue this project one day, it looks quite good for an Indev, and the plot looks interesting
I woke up at just the right time! Thank you for the upload
Chapter 1 could really do with an update but it is looking good so far, I think it can become one of the greatest fan games if you keep working on it. Also you said the dialogue was bad but I had so many laughs with it, it might be a case of working on a joke so much that you think it stops being funny.
Also about the gender thing, I’m sure if you do release it, you may have to put in the description that it is your personal interpretation and so the genders may not be the same as others’ personal interpretation
Its currently 4 am for me, ill watch this video when im awake and give my thoughts on it
Edit: Watched the video, 10/10 would love to see more
Also im a big proponent of FemKris so I understand your fears.
I had this idea of a Pokémon game where the rival is the main villain and the region was full of Ghost Type Pokémon.
Sounds interesting until you realize having a normal type Pokemon in there might be painful.
@@urdeadnotbigsuprise7439But Normal Types learn lots of other moves with different Types. Also every starter would be a Dark Type so you shouldn't have to worry too much about getting Super-effective moves.
@@TaskMaster369 that sounds much better now.
whisper your a yokai, how can I see you? is it because you made a mistake and you are visible to me?
@@lolthisismyhandlenow This is the Internet, of course you can see my comments!
I believe you can and should continue doing it with the humans as female, if you ever do get back to it. Making things for yourself is awesome imo.
This video makes me wanna fall asleep on my desk, so maybe I'll play this at nighttime so I can sleep easily.
"Can you imagine what an UNDERTALE battle would be like if the screen was constantly spinning?"
I think modern UNDERTALE fangames have that question answered for you.
Battler Jerry and his sprite is great idea, i like it soo much!
kfc??
k, f, c?
...kris, frisk, cha- how did i not think of that??? youre a genius!
It’s a thing many people have already thought of
Yeah, it's already a thing. But if it makes you feel any better, it took me a while to figure out why people called them KFC.
this project is very cool, it would be great to see it finished one day (I would also like to help >:³)
I love this channel so much
Whatever you decide to do, don't scrap this just for the toxic side of the fandom. Do it if you want, and don't let anyone stop you. If you don't want to do it, don't force yourself. Let art and inspiration be why you chose to do or not do it, not any other human
Its not perfect, but its pretty nice, great idea overall, i waited to watch this video in better moment, to not miss anything, glad i did it, but probably missed some discussions.
i love this interpretation, plus i always wanted a fangame with flowey as a team member..
also i do see frisk and chara as girls as well, but it also makes sense theyre nonbinary so i just go with them being nonbinary
i had no idea that the fanbase was so strict about things like gender and sexuality. thats so bizarre to me. it reminds me of how i keep hearing people describe twitter: full of left extremists who will gatekeep those things to the point where their "fight for equality" almost turns into hatespeech. something like that. the genders of the kfc gang are up to interpretation, and theyre *fictional people* anyway. noelle has never been stated to be a lesbian, its just assumed that she is bc shes only ever shown interest torward susie, a girl. as a bisexual, that doesnt mean much. this exclusionary belief system is so sad honestly and completely defeats the purpose of actually fighting for equality.
Wow, a person with flag having a based opinion?
Jokes aside, thank you for this comment.
@@urdeadnotbigsuprise7439 honestly i only got that pfp for the goose. w goose game
@@bookworm_of_heaven Yep, good game.
People only act like that bc they want clout.
They don't actually care that they're acting like jerks towards everyone.
It sucks to see that kind of corrupt ideology in this community, as it undermines progress for everyone involved. What's scarier is they believe they're doing the right thing, but won't listen to anyone else, so conversations can't be had; thus, creating the same issue on both sides of the subject.
This is pretty cool 🔥
JERRY?!
Its nice
Thanks for sharing
i feel like making things about this cancelled fangame..
(/hj)
its like putting deltarune stuff into undertale but worse still pretty decent
So, Gruffet, do you actually subscribe to the theory that the red dialogue is actually Gaster and not Chara?
11:52 I forgot, they have an MTT fridge.
13:42 If this was just a placeholder, don't fix it. It's perfect for Papyrus.
And for the record, I always thought Frisk and Kris were male and Chara was female. I've learned not to say that, tho. Anyway, I don't see why you CAN'T call them both female, if you want.
And, ftr, Toby himself has been known to call Blookie "he." I can't say the fandom "bullied" Toby into correcting himself, but he did correct himself because of fan response.
So, yeah, if you decide to finish this, keep them as girls.
i can understand why there is drama when it comes to talking abt the actual games (undertale and deltarune) but when you are talking abt a fangame, why would you assume that the characters have to be the same gender? for all the fandom cares, there coud be an AU where undyne is a guy and that would be the whole point of the AU (that idea is just an example as it would be, in my opinion, a terrible one) and no one would get mad over it, same thing goes for any other AUs/fangames, just because they are based in a game doesn't mean all the characters are based on their ingame counterpart
Oh i thinked that Frisk is a boy::D I really interested how people get to thinking that Frisk maybe a girl, even thorough i am surpised and cant understand that, i am just interested, and would like to see this game fully made.
While I feel like the base premise feels like an excuse to reuse assets more than anything else, I often joke about Toby being a hack for his use of lietmotifs so that not necessarily a bad thing. The way characters are presented here feels very much like how I'd expect a fan interpretation of them to be. Mostly exaggerated, but on the right track. Though Alphys warning the player about MTT right after telling Undyne to calm down is weird. I will say that it feels like you're capable of making something interesting off attention to detail alone, but I agree with the general decision to finish Case Files first.
That said, I also always assumed that Frisk and Chara were girls. And it seems like most people do, at least from the circles I'm in. But I'm not surprised the Homestuck Tumblr refugees would be rabid and toxic over non issues. Which is a shame, because it just ends up with them digging their own grave. At least as a Chrono Trigger fan I can blame Square for our total lack of fan content. But I couldn't imagine being in the DeltaTale community and watch people whine about the lack to UnderRune content only to strike down said content in the same breath.
Tbh this deltarune intro cringed me soo hard that air around me started cringing and cringe air was transported to my blood soo now I have a cringed blood WHICH MAKES ME CRINGE
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