Whilst the JP-08 is tiny, the Jupiter-X is massive and very heavy. I made a video called "vintage synth nut trys Roland's latest gear" and the thumbnail is me holding it on my shoulder. Moments later I tried lifting it over my head for a shot and the weight was too much for me and it dropped. In a split second I bent forward and caught it on my back. I was then bent over with a Jupiter on my back. I slowly crouched down in a scene reminiscent of World's Strongest Man meets Mission Impossible until I was lying flat. I then slid it off my back. I haven't told Roland that and it's their synth. In fact, they might be watching. Hi guys! Might go for the boutique next time.
I had one of these and sold it as soon as the System 8 was released (and going for decent aftermarket discount). System 8 has the Jp-08 algorithm built in with 8 VOICES plus ju-06 and Jx-03 algorithm and the main system 8 engine (a total beast) and nice full size knobs and faders.
I need to pick one of those up. Of the 4 Boutiques I own and the other couple I've tried, the JP-08 is easily the worst. The knobs and faders are impossible to dial in. There's way too much range in their tiny throws. It's just a terrible interface.
@@AudioPilz Don't get it coz it's not bad gear! :-p It would be nice if Roland would release more plug-outs though. E.g. a Jupiter 4 and a Juno Alpha module would be a nice addition.
This is my favorite channel. I came for the synth reviews, have had my mind blown by the spicy jams, and I always giggle or ROFLCOPTER through the episodes. Thank you for being you and entertaining us with your talents!
The tweezers bit is brilliant! Roland should include a set with every Boutique purchase. Also....Guinea Pig Armour!! ( Your internet search history must raise a few eyebrows. )
@@AudioPilz Yeah! I got the full 8 voices. When you chain them together, any voices after the 4th go to the second one and all the settings are solely handled by the "main" JP (meaning the sliders and knobs don't respond on the second JP). It's pretty sweet, though you're still probably better off with a system-8 or Jupiter X
I used to own the JU-06 and sound wise it was great. I even became friends with the sliders. But the lack of polyphony was what finally made me sell it
@@rachelar Because people buy those synths regardless the voices so why would they bother. Sadly there's a lot more hobbyist than musicians, which leads to a market of products "collect them all!" than serious musical equipment.
Great video and music. Thank you for incorporating rip Taylor. He is a dear friend and does not get enough glitter work these days. Thanks for posting. See you next time.
I bought all three of the original boutiques the moment they were released, and was totally underwhelmed by the the JP-08. The lack of polyphony was an unpleasant surprise, as was the stiffness of those little sliders that made tweaking sounds a bloody nightmare. Surely Roland could have upped the price a little to at least increase the polyphony by using a more powerful DSP.
@@raistaparta I read somewhere that the DSP they used was the same one they used on earlier machines. The modelling they used may have been closely tied to it, or they may have stuck with it simply due to familiarity. The result was something quite underpowered for the boutique emulations.
I have two of these thinking more voices is a must but I hardly ever use them in the polychain mode. I do like to get weird with it, it has a broad range of sounds, and even though i never owned, seen or heard a jupiter 8 in person this will bring you back to the 80's no matter what.
This episode was totally awesome. The original one liners and jokes just over flowed non-stop. I loved it. And I made it all the way through the show. I sometimes felt the speech pattern was starting to relax slightly and the host sounds better when more relaxed. Brilliant content and thanks for making and releasing it!
I see your MIDI controller's #2 fader had "don't remove under any circumstance" duct taping to keep it out of the fun. Cool! As for the JP-08, had one, tried to use it with my big fingers and realized my efforts were futile. The only thing I regret is selling it off so soon when they were cheap ($299US) and not just tossing it into a box so I could now sell it for double the money today. Missed opportunities... :(
Once I played on a original Jupiter 8 (and Juno 6) at a guy’s home studio in a rich area in Belgium. I had no idea what I was doing nor did I realise back then that the Jupiter 8 was such a big deal. I just learned a bit how to make music with Ableton, a Microkorg, and I was yet to become the synth nerd I am today. I do remember very much liking the sound. I would play a random chord on a pad patch and I was like “Weuuuuw cooool, this thing sounds so lively and rich”. So yeah, all those clichés I read about it afterwards were true. When I saw the ad for the JP-08 - which showed a real Jupter 8! - I asked the music store about it. But we both - the seller and I - realised it was a bit of a scam and were both disappointed. Would be nice if there was a new Roland Boutique version, but fully specked (or - dare I say - a Behringer Clone). Meanwhile there’s the Arturia VST version. And that’s fine.
@4:03 Florian just made a Black Metal Synth Album by accident. Now it's only a matter of time before we get to the JU-06A, Great work as always. Thanks for making such awesome music and videos!
I think most of the Roland Boutiques sound great. I'm actually quite impressed with the Analog Circuit Behavior technology. However, the 4-note polyphony and tiny controls were a real deal breaker for me. That is why waited and eventually got a System-8. 8-note polyphony and appropriately sized knobs and sliders. Another thing to keep in mind is that daisy-chaining multiple boutiques together doesn't give you the proper polyphonic experience you'd think. The big failure is that if you have patches with long release times, they will get cut off before they finish. The design of the Boutique range only uses the next poly-chained instrument if you're holding at least four keys down. If you play a four-note chord and lift your fingers to play another four-note chord, it will not look at the envelope to see if those voices are still being used. It will see that you lifted your fingers and it won't use the second instrument. It will use the original instrument and cut off the releasing notes. Fortunately, this is not a problem for the System-8.
Honestly, I have no idea what they were thinking with that poly chaining issue. However, the System-8 gives you 8 voices of all three of the original boutiques as well as the System-8's own excellent engine. That's my workaround.
Although it sounds quite nice, I can't help but compare it with plugins like TAL's J-8 which feature: individual voice parameters like oscillator/filter/envelope slop, triple the polyphony of this synth, individual outputs for upper/lower layers, expanded unison behaviour, expanded possibilities for modulation, etc. The only selling point of buying a Roland VST in a box is the box itself, and seeing how small it is and how much they had to compromise to get it all in it's physical form, it ceases to be appealing.
@@CraigScottFrost I've seen some people using it and loving it, not because it's the true unabridged Jupiter 8 experience, but because it's a piece of hardware that serves them. More power to them. I'm too attached to the workflow and capabilities of the original to settle for anything less.
@@CraigScottFrost This! There's absolutely no advantage to buying a hardware digital recreation of an analogue synth. It literally won't be any better than a well made VST.
@@CraigScottFrost Absolutely agreed! I don't really have access to a whole lot of hardware of any kind, my main keyboard is a Kurzweil digisynth that doubles as midi controller. Love it, don't know what I'd do without it, but even if I did own a lot of hardware, I'd find it easier and less troublesome to record using plugins. I feel like physical synths are far better for hands on sound design and jamming, maybe working out ideas, than actually using them for recording. But that's just me.
Oh damn, I find myself pausing every three seconds to catch all the jokes. And I still had to go back three times to finally get the "Leias" of sound reference! Thanks for keeping us on our toes.
@@AudioPilz You are sort of the new Jexus, I mean, your video's are fun to watch and very informative, I watch them a few times over a weekend to catch it all. All the other channels are so serious. I am looking forward to every Friday. Also like Alex's channel. Please keep them coming
ah, the trusty uc33. bought mine in 2002, when i laid hands on a „second hand“ copy of reason 2. still in regular use to this day. prime example of good gear 🔥
A lot of people mention the System 8 and Jupiter-X, but there's an even better option. Since OS 2.1, the Roland Fantom has supported "Model Extensions", which give you very accurate virtual emlations of various classic Roland synths. Currently, these include the Jupiter 8, Juno 106, JX3P and SH-101, but they may release others in the future. The emulations give you the full polyphont and zone layer capabilities of the Fantom and can be combined with any other Fantom tones in different zones. (or you can run up to 16 of them together, so you could have 16 Jupiter 8's going at once). So it's very flexible and powerful. And, of course, it's a professional unit with a great keyboard, impressive I/O and reliable construction. So that's the way I went. Of course, it's not cheap, but it's still a lot cheaper than an original Jupiter 8 these days.
I'm too old for this newschoolish VST sounding stuff and wouldn't crap out the money... Instead of pondering why it isn't called JP-04 to honor its polyphony, I admire the finale which is very beautifully done. I hope you didn't lose a finger twiddling with that ridiculous keyboard.
You nailed it with "The Roland Boutique Line is line Pokemon... Gotcha Catch 'Em All!" And that's something I've managed to do so far. With any luck, they'll do a sampler next (S-10? S-50? in a Boutique), that would complete the line.
When I dream of the future, I see Roland launching mini Boutique versions of the Boutique versions. Anyone else with this dystopian vision? I can't sleep anymore...
I bought, a couple of years ago, a fancy eurorack dual analogue sequencer that used the same sized faders as on the boutique Jupiter to set the step pitches. As set up, the faders controlled a frequency range of 0-10v ie 10 octaves on a 10mm fader throw. It had to go, and I'd never buy any piece of kit that uses them.
I remember being 11 and having saved up enough from my little summer job to buy my own "boombox". Those minifaders really were only used as an on/off switch. :)
@@jovanka--------5098 How many oscillators do they have? Can they crossmod, or sync? Do their filters self oscillate in way that can be played along the keyboard?
I bought the three first boutiques: The JP, JX and JU. Ended up selling them to get the System 8. Same engine, same sounds, better tweakability, 49 full size keys. I never looked back.
You hit the nail in the head with your final comments. I sold my JP-08 as I found myself using Jupiter-8 plugins 100% of the time instead of JP-08. The 4 voice polyphony, having to map MIDI controllers to bypass the tinytinytiny controls... not worth the hassle for me.
So I'm a lucky owner of the original, since the '90s. I love it but I'll point out it had no MIDI, no CV/Gate input for pitch, and some (like mine) don't even have Roland's DCB interface. So the boutique does have more to offer as far as connections go, as well as the built-in sequencer. It probably doesn't weigh a million pounds either. 😁
@@AudioPilz yes, it is due for service soon and I'll have that conversation... On the plus side there's a perfect spot for jacks with no DCB in the way!
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I knew this one was a raw deal, but geez! Everything about this one rubs me the wrong way. If you snoop around and find one with new capacitors, you could use the kind of money the JP-08 goes for and get a JP-8000 instead. It's still not a Jupiter-8 but at least it's amazing in its own way.
I was waiting for this episode! The Roland updates brought cc messages to use the sliders with a controller. I also read somewhere that someone open source hacked a midiface 4x4 to fix the note stealing issue.
The Roland SE-02 boutique I thought was amazing. I got some incredible bass tones out of it and I loved using it with my OG beatstep sequencer. The chorus 1/2 only available though a midi cc message that’s very strange indeed. The OG Jupiter’s huge draw was its 8 voice polyphony, 4 voice w/ no note priority (known of) no arpeggiator , tiny sliders, mini keys, no key split this JP-08 is ticking many bad gear boxs earning its place.
These things sound great. They have obvious drawbacks that people who don't use them love to point out because, well hating Roland is generally acceptable. The actual answer is System 8. Real keys, real knobs, 8 voices.... yummy
It's a cute little overpriced control-surface with a 4-voice Joop onboard. Totally overvalued VA. Nice review! The tweezer joke killed me, I'm dead 😂 Happy Bad Gear! Have a great weekend, Pilz!
Always felt weird attraction towards these rolands. Still going for Korg minilogue thou. Those teenyweeny tiny sliders is no go. Thanks for entertaining review once again!
@@AudioPilz It has it's problem, as the voice allocation goes 1-4 from unit1 and voices 5-8 from the 2nd unit. Which means you have to keep at least 4 notes pressed to "wake up" the 2nd unit and get longer releases for the notes. If you only play 4 or less notes and release the notes and play new notes, you'll lose the end tail of the release for those notes. They should have allocated the voices better, for example like a-b-a-b-a-b-a-b instead of a-a-a-a-b-b-b-b (where a is the master JP-08 and b is the slave JP-08). Otherwise the polychaining works fine, you only use the controls of the master unit and the slave unit just have to be there, connected via midi and audio (I use the audio passthru for the audio on one of the units).
@@ata000001 For what it's worth, the Retrokits RK-002 cable's polymux function fixes this problem by alternating notes between the two (or more) units and it works perfectly. It's worth the $70 (they have many other midi utility functions as well) and it's what made me hold onto the JP-08s
Came across some demos of the Korg 01R/W, maybe thats something for you to review? Not sure how expensive this one is. Another fantastic video! thank you! Its a tradition now for me to watch your Bad Gear review on friday!
I've got 2 of these in k25m's. I love them. Awesome machines. And Roland seems to be moving away from acb, much to my chagrin so the older boutiques are better than what they are doing now with last gen. acm in the new ones IMO (no, the extra polyphony is not worth worse emulation). The SE-02 is best in the boutique line (relative oddity that it is), but I'll place the JP-08 as my second favorite (tied with JU-06a). Funnily enough, I'm buying a mint JP-8080 in Synths & Wood oak cheeks this weekend (my old one is a bit beat up). Not that it sounds anything close to an old jP. If anyone NEEDS a decent JP clone with polyphony, the Deepmind 12 is one of the most underrated synths of all time.
@@AudioPilz 12D. Frickin' awesome. Pad monster. Cheap, relatively small footprint with still tons of hands-on controls (forgoing the cheap keyboard), informative lcd, 12 voices and fx for miles. I'll still keep the JP-08's though.
@@alexwestconsulting Have the SE-02 too, man that thing is just awesome. Would like to see a Sequential take 5 in desktop version though, it would not have the same polyphony as the Deepmind and maybe a bit more expensive, but more waveforms, VCO and also good effects.
@@PORRFNK agreed. I've got a DSI Mopho X4 and a couple Tetras, but Take 5's proper VCO's, panel layout, extra voice and very good value will see me picking one up. Yes, If they make a desktop version I won't hesitate to get one. The multi-timbrality of the tetra, coupled with the chaining ability puts it in a special class though so I'll never get rid of them. But yes, the Take 5 no doubt is a great machine at a great price. Pads are tough with only 5 voices though ;). Korg prologue 16 (not the 8) is another underrated option. Sounds more Korg/Yamaha though rather than Roland.
@@alexwestconsulting Got a Tetra too, great machine, you think it would be better to add a X4 or get the DSI/Sequential Rev.2 desktop instead? I am really on the fence between the Rev.2 or the Take5. Dont have a lot of space and already got a Nord G2 as my master keyboard in the studio, maybe I could fit 2 keyboards :)
Aaah i remember my pure hatred for this garbage when it got released. What really sent me over the edge was the 4-voice with the "capability" to daisy chain two of these for 8 voices. The most horrifying aspect was that there were people who bought this enthusiastically...
@@AudioPilz Maybe i was/am overreacting, but i felt kinda insulted. An emulation, running on a dsp for 400€ bucks, and you needed two for 8 voices. I couldn't believe that was happening. Well, it did kickstart Behringers clones, i got an amazing MS-1 for less money than the boutique SH-01, and Roland provides you with endless material for your channel :)
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Whilst the JP-08 is tiny, the Jupiter-X is massive and very heavy.
I made a video called "vintage synth nut trys Roland's latest gear" and the thumbnail is me holding it on my shoulder.
Moments later I tried lifting it over my head for a shot and the weight was too much for me and it dropped. In a split second I bent forward and caught it on my back. I was then bent over with a Jupiter on my back. I slowly crouched down in a scene reminiscent of World's Strongest Man meets Mission Impossible until I was lying flat. I then slid it off my back.
I haven't told Roland that and it's their synth. In fact, they might be watching. Hi guys!
Might go for the boutique next time.
You are the Atlas of the synth world;)
@@AudioPilz Haha! Yeah.
I like to think that a similar incident at the Roland factory lead to the invention of the Boutique range.
Ribbon and Medal of honour please for the super saviour of Synthesizers!
I guess that makes the Jupiter X a real 'killer synth'..
I'm glad you survived to tell the tale!
I bought one and kept it in the box. Gonna give it to my future grandchild so they can trade it for food during the coming Mad Max era.
You're a good future grandparent;)
❤so you mean now ? We’re living beyond thunder dome 😢
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I had one of these and sold it as soon as the System 8 was released (and going for decent aftermarket discount). System 8 has the Jp-08 algorithm built in with 8 VOICES plus ju-06 and Jx-03 algorithm and the main system 8 engine (a total beast) and nice full size knobs and faders.
Damn, do I need to get a System 8 now? ;)
I need to pick one of those up. Of the 4 Boutiques I own and the other couple I've tried, the JP-08 is easily the worst. The knobs and faders are impossible to dial in. There's way too much range in their tiny throws. It's just a terrible interface.
@@AudioPilz Don't get it coz it's not bad gear! :-p
It would be nice if Roland would release more plug-outs though. E.g. a Jupiter 4 and a Juno Alpha module would be a nice addition.
The system 8 is just using 2 of the boutiques processors to achieve 8 voices.
Ah,
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This is my favorite channel. I came for the synth reviews, have had my mind blown by the spicy jams, and I always giggle or ROFLCOPTER through the episodes. Thank you for being you and entertaining us with your talents!
Thank you so much!!! ROFLCOPTER!!!
The tweezers bit is brilliant! Roland should include a set with every Boutique purchase.
Also....Guinea Pig Armour!! ( Your internet search history must raise a few eyebrows. )
My personal google algo minion is deeply depressed and questioning the meaning of its existence
I was just looking up the whole guinea pig armor meme, and voilà, UA-cam recommends this video.
cracked me up as well🤣
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Oh that final track was so good. Warmed my bones up in this cold weather.
Thank you so much!
I have 2 JP-08's chained together and love it!
Nice, does polychaining actually work?
@@AudioPilz Yeah! I got the full 8 voices. When you chain them together, any voices after the 4th go to the second one and all the settings are solely handled by the "main" JP (meaning the sliders and knobs don't respond on the second JP). It's pretty sweet, though you're still probably better off with a system-8 or Jupiter X
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Definitely
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Yep! And it's looking like this week's entry is actually earning the hate :D
It ticks all the boxes.
I used to own the JU-06 and sound wise it was great. I even became friends with the sliders. But the lack of polyphony was what finally made me sell it
Yeah, total buzzkill
Rule of thumb, manufacturers - in this day and age there's no real excuse for not having at least as many voices as your customers have fingers!
Why are they all doing this? Microkorg too, why four note in this day and age?
@@rachelar Because people buy those synths regardless the voices so why would they bother. Sadly there's a lot more hobbyist than musicians, which leads to a market of products "collect them all!" than serious musical equipment.
Whining about the lack of polyphony is more a lack of your creativity and/or talent then a design error.
I have both this and the OG and love them both. To fit that sound engine into a backpack sized battery powered package makes it a great travel synth!
Wow, your retirement fund is set;)
How can this channel only have 55k subs? Throw up a couple shorts.. love it!!!
Thank you!!! Working on it!
Over 66k now..
I must say that there aren't any other gear review channels that I enjoy more. Thank you!!
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Awesomeness! Another piece of gear I own. Looking forward to this one. Thanks Florian!
Thanks!
Imagine calling yourself Synthlord and admitting you own this turd.
@@mastercylinder1939 you must be one of the devine ear Lords?
@@mastercylinder1939 Wow.... Way to be a troll.
Great video and music. Thank you for incorporating rip Taylor. He is a dear friend and does not get enough glitter work these days. Thanks for posting. See you next time.
R.I.P. Taylor 😢😢😢
Oh no I just saw that he passed away 2 years ago
I bought all three of the original boutiques the moment they were released, and was totally underwhelmed by the the JP-08. The lack of polyphony was an unpleasant surprise, as was the stiffness of those little sliders that made tweaking sounds a bloody nightmare. Surely Roland could have upped the price a little to at least increase the polyphony by using a more powerful DSP.
I think the JP-08 is more like a marketing thingie for their cloud and Jupiter-X
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Or maybe they could’ve given it more polyphony anyway because you know that DSP can handle it and they’re overcharging anyway. Am I right?
@@raistaparta I read somewhere that the DSP they used was the same one they used on earlier machines. The modelling they used may have been closely tied to it, or they may have stuck with it simply due to familiarity. The result was something quite underpowered for the boutique emulations.
@@nyanpasu64 It's highly offensive!
I love that you do this show in front of a bookshelf rather than a studio like every other gear reviewer
Nice to hear that, thanks!
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Happy to hear that, have a nice weekend!
Never stop making these videos!!!! They are the best!
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I must say your workrate is incredible
Great video as always.
Thank you so much!
Sir, u are a wizard with words! Always entertaining and hillarious, makes any rainy monday feel like waking up without a hangover at 04:00 in a rave!
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that vocoder shoutout was really great ! I love your vocoder shoutout ^^
Thank you!!!
Makes me wanna meet Rocco Misco
This little beast sounds so good. Wow. Blown away.
I have two of these thinking more voices is a must but I hardly ever use them in the polychain mode. I do like to get weird with it, it has a broad range of sounds, and even though i never owned, seen or heard a jupiter 8 in person this will bring you back to the 80's no matter what.
I was surprised by its versatility too!!!
This episode was totally awesome. The original one liners and jokes just over flowed non-stop. I loved it. And I made it all the way through the show. I sometimes felt the speech pattern was starting to relax slightly and the host sounds better when more relaxed. Brilliant content and thanks for making and releasing it!
Thank you for the great feedback!!!
This is how all synth reviews should be done!
Dang it man, I'm in love with the 303 line of the first jam, it's a great one! That tension build-release at the end was cheff kiss.
Thank you!!!
What was this show again about? ;-)
JP-08 sounds actually pretty good.
Entertaining yet again - thanks for sharing!
The sound is definitely not the issue with this one;)
Fantastic episode. Really loved the video for the final jam
Thank you!!!
I see your MIDI controller's #2 fader had "don't remove under any circumstance" duct taping to keep it out of the fun. Cool! As for the JP-08, had one, tried to use it with my big fingers and realized my efforts were futile. The only thing I regret is selling it off so soon when they were cheap ($299US) and not just tossing it into a box so I could now sell it for double the money today. Missed opportunities... :(
That midi controller has seen things;)
How did I miss this one! It's been one of my favourites, I'm laughing on my own more than once.
Thanks!!!
Once I played on a original Jupiter 8 (and Juno 6) at a guy’s home studio in a rich area in Belgium. I had no idea what I was doing nor did I realise back then that the Jupiter 8 was such a big deal. I just learned a bit how to make music with Ableton, a Microkorg, and I was yet to become the synth nerd I am today.
I do remember very much liking the sound. I would play a random chord on a pad patch and I was like “Weuuuuw cooool, this thing sounds so lively and rich”. So yeah, all those clichés I read about it afterwards were true.
When I saw the ad for the JP-08 - which showed a real Jupter 8! - I asked the music store about it. But we both - the seller and I - realised it was a bit of a scam and were both disappointed.
Would be nice if there was a new Roland Boutique version, but fully specked (or - dare I say - a Behringer Clone).
Meanwhile there’s the Arturia VST version. And that’s fine.
Didn't Uli already announce a full-fledged Jupiter?;)
@4:03 Florian just made a Black Metal Synth Album by accident.
Now it's only a matter of time before we get to the JU-06A,
Great work as always. Thanks for making such awesome music and videos!
Thank you! The unholy interval ;)
I think most of the Roland Boutiques sound great. I'm actually quite impressed with the Analog Circuit Behavior technology. However, the 4-note polyphony and tiny controls were a real deal breaker for me. That is why waited and eventually got a System-8. 8-note polyphony and appropriately sized knobs and sliders.
Another thing to keep in mind is that daisy-chaining multiple boutiques together doesn't give you the proper polyphonic experience you'd think. The big failure is that if you have patches with long release times, they will get cut off before they finish. The design of the Boutique range only uses the next poly-chained instrument if you're holding at least four keys down. If you play a four-note chord and lift your fingers to play another four-note chord, it will not look at the envelope to see if those voices are still being used. It will see that you lifted your fingers and it won't use the second instrument. It will use the original instrument and cut off the releasing notes. Fortunately, this is not a problem for the System-8.
I've heard about the polychaining issues. Major PITA!
that blows hard
My question is, why wasn't Roland released an update that FIXES the polychaining issues for crying out loud?
Honestly, I have no idea what they were thinking with that poly chaining issue. However, the System-8 gives you 8 voices of all three of the original boutiques as well as the System-8's own excellent engine. That's my workaround.
@@ironinquisitor3656 Even cheap Behringer analogues handle polychaining better, if I recall correctly?
I love your show perfect to calm down after work
Thank you so much!
Although it sounds quite nice, I can't help but compare it with plugins like TAL's J-8 which feature: individual voice parameters like oscillator/filter/envelope slop, triple the polyphony of this synth, individual outputs for upper/lower layers, expanded unison behaviour, expanded possibilities for modulation, etc. The only selling point of buying a Roland VST in a box is the box itself, and seeing how small it is and how much they had to compromise to get it all in it's physical form, it ceases to be appealing.
I wholeheartedly agree!
@@CraigScottFrost I've seen some people using it and loving it, not because it's the true unabridged Jupiter 8 experience, but because it's a piece of hardware that serves them. More power to them. I'm too attached to the workflow and capabilities of the original to settle for anything less.
@@CraigScottFrost This! There's absolutely no advantage to buying a hardware digital recreation of an analogue synth. It literally won't be any better than a well made VST.
@@CraigScottFrost I picked up a used Keylab pretty much just so's I could get a cheap crack at Analog Lab . There are some real doozies in there! :D
@@CraigScottFrost Absolutely agreed! I don't really have access to a whole lot of hardware of any kind, my main keyboard is a Kurzweil digisynth that doubles as midi controller. Love it, don't know what I'd do without it, but even if I did own a lot of hardware, I'd find it easier and less troublesome to record using plugins. I feel like physical synths are far better for hands on sound design and jamming, maybe working out ideas, than actually using them for recording. But that's just me.
Thank you for the entertainment!! Your videos tic all the boxes.
Thanks!
Oh damn, I find myself pausing every three seconds to catch all the jokes. And I still had to go back three times to finally get the "Leias" of sound reference! Thanks for keeping us on our toes.
Bad Gear is not a linear medium;) Thanks for watching (multiple times)
@@AudioPilz You are sort of the new Jexus, I mean, your video's are fun to watch and very informative, I watch them a few times over a weekend to catch it all. All the other channels are so serious. I am looking forward to every Friday. Also like Alex's channel. Please keep them coming
Definitely a multi watch video. Great content and lots of giggles. Thank you🙂
Thanks for watching!!!
the line 6 pod (og) is pretty hated by metal guitarists but is actually pretty sick on drum machines & synths. Have i already said this? If so my bad.
Got one here, love it!!! Thanks for the suggestion!
The memes flick by so fast learning to pause them has actually improved my mute game!!
One's mute game is never perfect;)
I appreciate this. 4 note polyphony is not a deal maker. I do 9,11 and 13th chords.
As I can't properly play keyboards I don't care that much;)
ah, the trusty uc33. bought mine in 2002, when i laid hands on a „second hand“ copy of reason 2.
still in regular use to this day. prime example of good gear 🔥
I spent soooooooo much time with these!!!
It;s the problem with a lot of this kind of gear, combining killer sound with maddening limitations.
Classic LOLand!
wow, that second tune what you made in the video blow my mind
Thanks!
Finally Roland also made an appearance on bad gear....they're your most loyal subscribers 🤣
Their hitmen certainly are;)
A lot of people mention the System 8 and Jupiter-X, but there's an even better option. Since OS 2.1, the Roland Fantom has supported "Model Extensions", which give you very accurate virtual emlations of various classic Roland synths. Currently, these include the Jupiter 8, Juno 106, JX3P and SH-101, but they may release others in the future. The emulations give you the full polyphont and zone layer capabilities of the Fantom and can be combined with any other Fantom tones in different zones. (or you can run up to 16 of them together, so you could have 16 Jupiter 8's going at once). So it's very flexible and powerful. And, of course, it's a professional unit with a great keyboard, impressive I/O and reliable construction. So that's the way I went. Of course, it's not cheap, but it's still a lot cheaper than an original Jupiter 8 these days.
Interesting, thanks for posting!
I'm too old for this newschoolish VST sounding stuff and wouldn't crap out the money... Instead of pondering why it isn't called JP-04 to honor its polyphony, I admire the finale which is very beautifully done. I hope you didn't lose a finger twiddling with that ridiculous keyboard.
Thanks! I probably lost a few more hair trying to play it;)
@ghost mall and costs three times more and is very bulky as heck
You nailed it with "The Roland Boutique Line is line Pokemon... Gotcha Catch 'Em All!"
And that's something I've managed to do so far.
With any luck, they'll do a sampler next (S-10? S-50? in a Boutique), that would complete the line.
Nice! Maybe an MC-303;)
Seriously, I laughed do hard at the tweezers gag! Your show is 👌
Thanks🙏🙌🖖
Thank you so much!!!
loved the shout out to Dr mix! lmao. audioPilz u make the best synth videos man!
and nick over at sonic state lmao
Thank you!!! Nick is the GOAT!!!
Looking forward to the Knifonium episode!
This. Thing. Is. Awesome.
also your jams are so well mixed and I just love this channel :)
Thank you so much!
The vocoder shoutouts in this episode are great, I feel. 10:12
Thank you!!!
When I dream of the future, I see Roland launching mini Boutique versions of the Boutique versions. Anyone else with this dystopian vision? I can't sleep anymore...
...sold on a subscription basis;)
Wonderful sounding synth with teensy tiny little sliders and 4 note (!) polyphony!!!!
Yeah, it's a pity!
Holy mackarel that jam at 6:30 was so good I melted!!!!!!!!!
Thank you so much!!!
I bought, a couple of years ago, a fancy eurorack dual analogue sequencer that used the same sized faders as on the boutique Jupiter to set the step pitches. As set up, the faders controlled a frequency range of 0-10v ie 10 octaves on a 10mm fader throw. It had to go, and I'd never buy any piece of kit that uses them.
I admire people who can make controls like that work for them
I remember suggesting on this one many moons ago... you finally did it 😆
Thanks again for the suggestion!!!
The sliders remind me of the tiny sliders that always came on various mini boomboxes. Super easy to go too far.
I found it to be almost untweakable
I remember being 11 and having saved up enough from my little summer job to buy my own "boombox". Those minifaders really were only used as an on/off switch. :)
@@hillie47 Some were definitely almost like on-off. 😆
@@AudioPilz Erica Synths did it right, on my LXR-02!
@ghost mall the most useless, are actually the even tinier ones that some companies put on their Walkman style cassette players with headphones. 😆
love the unreal tournament arcane reference ☺
Still my favorite FPS level!
Sounds fantastic! Makes me want to give TAL-J-8 a shot 👀
I've yet to try that one. Great idea!
Tal U No LX is great, I can't knock soft synths. They're a nice option
@@jovanka--------5098 How many oscillators do they have? Can they crossmod, or sync? Do their filters self oscillate in way that can be played along the keyboard?
It sounds pretty good, it's a joy to play around with
I bought the three first boutiques: The JP, JX and JU. Ended up selling them to get the System 8. Same engine, same sounds, better tweakability, 49 full size keys. I never looked back.
The System 8 gets mentioned a lot - very interesting!
The visuals of the song were amazing. As an anime fan, I loved it.
Thank you!!!
@@AudioPilz what are all those animations from?? they look stunning and I want to watch them!!
You hit the nail in the head with your final comments. I sold my JP-08 as I found myself using Jupiter-8 plugins 100% of the time instead of JP-08. The 4 voice polyphony, having to map MIDI controllers to bypass the tinytinytiny controls... not worth the hassle for me.
I was longing for a plug too when I was working with the JP-08
So I'm a lucky owner of the original, since the '90s. I love it but I'll point out it had no MIDI, no CV/Gate input for pitch, and some (like mine) don't even have Roland's DCB interface. So the boutique does have more to offer as far as connections go, as well as the built-in sequencer.
It probably doesn't weigh a million pounds either. 😁
Have you thought about getting it midified?
@@AudioPilz yes, it is due for service soon and I'll have that conversation... On the plus side there's a perfect spot for jacks with no DCB in the way!
Three Nicks in one show. You're spoiling us.
The man. The legend.
It’s a great day for bad gear!
...and therefore for the world!!!
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(some of your vids are so funny I have to rewatch them) That Image of Nick Batt! Priceless!
I knew this one was a raw deal, but geez! Everything about this one rubs me the wrong way.
If you snoop around and find one with new capacitors, you could use the kind of money the JP-08 goes for and get a JP-8000 instead. It's still not a Jupiter-8 but at least it's amazing in its own way.
JP-8K is a classic in its own right
@ghost mall The System-8 looks super underrated.
JP8000 was my first synth. I still own it and I'm never selling it. Awesome synth. It's got way more character than a lot of current VAs.
I was waiting for this episode! The Roland updates brought cc messages to use the sliders with a controller. I also read somewhere that someone open source hacked a midiface 4x4 to fix the note stealing issue.
Thanks! Interesting, I have to do some research on that!
Imagine the meme potential if you crossed Nick Batt with a cat. Battcat (with PWM)!
A whole new universe of memery!!!
You'd modulate their DNA...
The Roland SE-02 boutique I thought was amazing. I got some incredible bass tones out of it and I loved using it with my OG beatstep sequencer. The chorus 1/2 only available though a midi cc message that’s very strange indeed. The OG Jupiter’s huge draw was its 8 voice polyphony, 4 voice w/ no note priority (known of) no arpeggiator , tiny sliders, mini keys, no key split this JP-08 is ticking many bad gear boxs earning its place.
The SE-02 sounds really fat indeed!
I've got to be honest, it sounds pretty great to my ears! But those sliders are too small lol
Agreed!
yes, the emulation itself is fantastic
loving the finale songs these last few video's!
Thank you so much!!!
Pluck your brows and play the JP at the same time? I’m in! Lol 😂
Challenge accepted;)
References to Nick Batt's PWM obsession still crack me up. Nice!
Obsessed with his obsession;)
Insert ancient Xzibit meme.
Roland has managed to give the word boutique a low budget image.
True that!
Definitely
Not only an assault on analogue synthesizers, but on language itself.
Best editor on YT? He’s ticking all the boxes 📦
Thank you so much!
These things sound great. They have obvious drawbacks that people who don't use them love to point out because, well hating Roland is generally acceptable. The actual answer is System 8. Real keys, real knobs, 8 voices.... yummy
I've yet to try the system 8 - very interesting!
today's jams were specially inspired
Thank you!!!
I will never forgive them for only having 4 voices and no rainbow buttons.
Also: That IS how you pronounce Ö. Source: Am Swëdish.
Should be considered a crime. With ö.
Hi Lennart. I know you from Python fame, even attended a few of your talks.
Funny to see you here :)
Despite its physical & sonic limitations, and owning a Microkorg and a variety of other synths & workstations, I actually love my JP-08.
That one is probably a modern classic
It's a cute little overpriced control-surface with a 4-voice Joop onboard. Totally overvalued VA. Nice review! The tweezer joke killed me, I'm dead 😂 Happy Bad Gear! Have a great weekend, Pilz!
Thanks! Have a nice one too!
That first jam definitely gives me some classic Sonic the Hedgehog vibes :)
Hard to say what about it hits me that way though.
Seems like most of my tracks and jams have some kind of computer game vibe to it;)
Always felt weird attraction towards these rolands. Still going for Korg minilogue thou. Those teenyweeny tiny sliders is no go. Thanks for entertaining review once again!
Thanks for watching!
I've been going through a difficult downtempo synthwave phase. This helped
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I have 2 of these, bought new when these were available. Extra polyphony is useful especially with the dual layer sounds.
Nice, did polychaining work well for you?
@@AudioPilz It has it's problem, as the voice allocation goes 1-4 from unit1 and voices 5-8 from the 2nd unit. Which means you have to keep at least 4 notes pressed to "wake up" the 2nd unit and get longer releases for the notes. If you only play 4 or less notes and release the notes and play new notes, you'll lose the end tail of the release for those notes. They should have allocated the voices better, for example like a-b-a-b-a-b-a-b instead of a-a-a-a-b-b-b-b (where a is the master JP-08 and b is the slave JP-08).
Otherwise the polychaining works fine, you only use the controls of the master unit and the slave unit just have to be there, connected via midi and audio (I use the audio passthru for the audio on one of the units).
@@ata000001 For what it's worth, the Retrokits RK-002 cable's polymux function fixes this problem by alternating notes between the two (or more) units and it works perfectly. It's worth the $70 (they have many other midi utility functions as well) and it's what made me hold onto the JP-08s
Came across some demos of the Korg 01R/W, maybe thats something for you to review? Not sure how expensive this one is.
Another fantastic video! thank you!
Its a tradition now for me to watch your Bad Gear review on friday!
Thanks! Great suggestion!
The jx-08 seems like a much better deal, 20 voice polyphony, multi timberal and has much bigger controls.
Yeah, I'm intrigued by the new ones too!
if you measure by polyphony, sure. but the jx-08 uses older and less cpu intensive modeling than the jp-08, hence why more polyphony.
It’s good. But it sounds a bit like Espen’s grandma. With 20-voice polyphony.
@@duncanjackson4170 I love Espen but I think his mind was made up before he did that comparison. It was hardly a fair comparison
@@alexwestconsulting Is Jx-08 not ACB? thats weird...
4:41 damn I almost forgot that bollywood thriller version
Thank you so much for the reminder xD
Always a pleasure, that one got me rolling again too!
I've got 2 of these in k25m's. I love them. Awesome machines. And Roland seems to be moving away from acb, much to my chagrin so the older boutiques are better than what they are doing now with last gen. acm in the new ones IMO (no, the extra polyphony is not worth worse emulation). The SE-02 is best in the boutique line (relative oddity that it is), but I'll place the JP-08 as my second favorite (tied with JU-06a). Funnily enough, I'm buying a mint JP-8080 in Synths & Wood oak cheeks this weekend (my old one is a bit beat up). Not that it sounds anything close to an old jP. If anyone NEEDS a decent JP clone with polyphony, the Deepmind 12 is one of the most underrated synths of all time.
I've yet to try the Deepmind!
@@AudioPilz 12D. Frickin' awesome. Pad monster. Cheap, relatively small footprint with still tons of hands-on controls (forgoing the cheap keyboard), informative lcd, 12 voices and fx for miles. I'll still keep the JP-08's though.
@@alexwestconsulting Have the SE-02 too, man that thing is just awesome. Would like to see a Sequential take 5 in desktop version though, it would not have the same polyphony as the Deepmind and maybe a bit more expensive, but more waveforms, VCO and also good effects.
@@PORRFNK agreed. I've got a DSI Mopho X4 and a couple Tetras, but Take 5's proper VCO's, panel layout, extra voice and very good value will see me picking one up. Yes, If they make a desktop version I won't hesitate to get one. The multi-timbrality of the tetra, coupled with the chaining ability puts it in a special class though so I'll never get rid of them. But yes, the Take 5 no doubt is a great machine at a great price. Pads are tough with only 5 voices though ;). Korg prologue 16 (not the 8) is another underrated option. Sounds more Korg/Yamaha though rather than Roland.
@@alexwestconsulting Got a Tetra too, great machine, you think it would be better to add a X4 or get the DSI/Sequential Rev.2 desktop instead? I am really on the fence between the Rev.2 or the Take5. Dont have a lot of space and already got a Nord G2 as my master keyboard in the studio, maybe I could fit 2 keyboards :)
That SE7EN reference is savage. I love it! XD Keep up the good work Mr. AudioPilz.
Thanks!
Oh boy, a Roland Boutique video ? Lets hope the Roland hardcore fans don't find this, else your channel might turn into AudioAtompilz...
Keep em coming;)
Hey! This is actually good! I just want Roland to actually reissue this with a Jupiter-like aesthetic and updated sound core.
Yes, more Jupiter would have been appreciated;)
i laughed way too hard when you used the tweezers to adjust a slider
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The final Pokemon conclusion about the boutique series is awesome. Roland should pay a ton of money to you.
I'm afraid they're contemplating giving money to hitmen;)
Aaah i remember my pure hatred for this garbage when it got released. What really sent me over the edge was the 4-voice with the "capability" to daisy chain two of these for 8 voices. The most horrifying aspect was that there were people who bought this enthusiastically...
The polychaining feature didn't really convince me either;)
@@AudioPilz Maybe i was/am overreacting, but i felt kinda insulted. An emulation, running on a dsp for 400€ bucks, and you needed two for 8 voices. I couldn't believe that was happening. Well, it did kickstart Behringers clones, i got an amazing MS-1 for less money than the boutique SH-01, and Roland provides you with endless material for your channel :)
Love mine
This was one of the best intros to a Bad Gear, imo.
Thanks! OG Roland sound ftw!!!