I'm a owner of a Magni Orion M24 plus and after viewing your Video my takeoffs are much better. Many thanks for this information and always happy landings. Greetings from Belgium!
Good video Paul. Just a point I think needs clarification. When doing a soft field takeoff where we break ground at slower speed, its not necessarily the airflow from indicated airspeed over the tail (which is lower) because there is 120 mph localized airflow over the tail from full power of the engine/prop. Its that the p-factor from the angle of prop disc to relative wind is much more pronounced that induces right yaw that gets coupled to roll (right roll). Definitely all the guys and specially new guys buying these gyroplanes with such a high horsepower engine, need to take transition or initial proper training. I have tried countering this extra torque with differential lift on the tail halves. It works but it increases drag on the tail. The reason M-16 or AR-1 open cockpit has less torque roll I believe is because side area in front of CG is de-stabilizing in yaw and yaw is coupled with roll just like in airplanes even though we do not have wings, the coning angle of the rotor is just like the diherdral effect in airplane wings. It would be interesting to offset the engine to the left a little and see if these effects reduce down because certainly they do in the airplanes
I flew a 1946 Culver V for years. It has a very curved instrument panel and windshield. If I sat on the left during landing, I darted to the left. If I set I sat in the right seat I darted to the right. I finally cured myself but ignoring the windshield and put the centerline directly on my chest. It was easier to detect the slight crab and counter with the rudder.
Thank You for this video. I can't help but think all these takeoff accidents with 915IS in the Cavalon. Student Pilots may be having this issue. As well I saw a video new owner and new to gyroplanes M-24 915IS. Have the torque roll on takeoff that he some colorful wording. 3 M-24 915IS ships for sale on Barnstormers. Wonder if the insurance has gone up?
Learning to fly the M24. Am I correct that while in flight adding power quickly will cause the aircraft to roll sllightly to the left and dip slightly, while reducing power quickly will result in a slight roll to the left and a slight rise. Or am i worng with the opposite effect. Again not while taking off, but while in level flight. Thanks
Even with the 914 (in a 2P tandem)....my TOs were much nicer if I went full turbo just after breaking ground and the torque-roll counter was easier & smoother!
Not at all it’s a very desirable engine for both tandem and side by side configuration. It’s really nice in the M24, especially when you’ve got 2 passengers that are over 200 lbs each.
The beauty of a gyroplane, is you don't have to land like a fixed wing. Which can come in handy for an engine out ua-cam.com/video/6IoaK1fJuCM/v-deo.html
I'm a owner of a Magni Orion M24 plus and after viewing your Video my takeoffs are much better. Many thanks for this information and always happy landings. Greetings from Belgium!
Good video Paul. Just a point I think needs clarification. When doing a soft field takeoff where we break ground at slower speed, its not necessarily the airflow from indicated airspeed over the tail (which is lower) because there is 120 mph localized airflow over the tail from full power of the engine/prop. Its that the p-factor from the angle of prop disc to relative wind is much more pronounced that induces right yaw that gets coupled to roll (right roll). Definitely all the guys and specially new guys buying these gyroplanes with such a high horsepower engine, need to take transition or initial proper training. I have tried countering this extra torque with differential lift on the tail halves. It works but it increases drag on the tail. The reason M-16 or AR-1 open cockpit has less torque roll I believe is because side area in front of CG is de-stabilizing in yaw and yaw is coupled with roll just like in airplanes even though we do not have wings, the coning angle of the rotor is just like the diherdral effect in airplane wings. It would be interesting to offset the engine to the left a little and see if these effects reduce down because certainly they do in the airplanes
Thanks again great information
Good video. A friend recently had a similar accident and this exemplifies why.
I flew a 1946 Culver V for years. It has a very curved instrument panel and windshield. If I sat on the left during landing, I darted to the left. If I set I sat in the right seat I darted to the right. I finally cured myself but ignoring the windshield and put the centerline directly on my chest. It was easier to detect the slight crab and counter with the rudder.
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Thank You for this video. I can't help but think all these takeoff accidents with 915IS in the Cavalon. Student Pilots may be having this issue. As well I saw a video new owner and new to gyroplanes M-24 915IS. Have the torque roll on takeoff that he some colorful wording. 3 M-24 915IS ships for sale on Barnstormers. Wonder if the insurance has gone up?
Would you have more detail about the gyro accident in El Monte, CA?
What handles are you using on the door? I fitted a strap but it gets in the way occasionally.
Learning to fly the M24. Am I correct that while in flight adding power quickly will cause the aircraft to roll sllightly to the left and dip slightly, while reducing power quickly will result in a slight roll to the left and a slight rise. Or am i worng with the opposite effect. Again not while taking off, but while in level flight. Thanks
I hope the M24 owner's manual mentions this torque compensation.
9:20 Is this a normal approach angle? Appears more flat than this Lay-Z-Boy captain has seen on other videos. Maybe it's a camera distortion.
It’s way better listening to the film with all the noise in the background without the mute on while filming
Even with the 914 (in a 2P tandem)....my TOs were much nicer if I went full turbo just after breaking ground and the torque-roll counter was easier & smoother!
Paul, realistically, is the 915 simply overkill for Gyros?
Not at all it’s a very desirable engine for both tandem and side by side configuration. It’s really nice in the M24, especially when you’ve got 2 passengers that are over 200 lbs each.
I would think high altitude flying as well. I think the IS engines are better at altitude then carburetors engines.
You have a exit light in your house ?
That's the hangar, at the airport.
The beauty of a gyroplane, is you don't have to land like a fixed wing. Which can come in handy for an engine out ua-cam.com/video/6IoaK1fJuCM/v-deo.html