1958 High school exchange students - Morocco, France, Argentina, Denmark. Subject: Nationalism

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  • @srta.carlota696
    @srta.carlota696 2 роки тому +23

    "You need nationalism to gain your independence but you need a lot of culture and civilization so that once this freedom is gained, nationalism doesn't turn into hatred." thats such a good take from the argentinean

    • @MrLaizard
      @MrLaizard 6 місяців тому +1

      Those conservatively educated anti-peronist argentinean students would became the most ardent peronists a decade later

    • @faridahany1156
      @faridahany1156 5 місяців тому +1

      She's smart and patient, I respect her.

  • @MohammadAlAmineELMIR
    @MohammadAlAmineELMIR 2 роки тому +53

    As a Moroccan, it pains me to how the French girl is patronising my fellow countryman Omar by being snarky and annoying, not only because it sums up the relationship us North Africans had and still do with France and Frenchmen but also because of how hard was to learn English back in the 60s in Morocco since we were highly influenced by the Francophone Culture. To see Omar talking this calmly and consistently while presenting good arguments against the linguistic and political ganging he was faced by is amazing to me

    • @Marouane0
      @Marouane0 2 роки тому +1

      yeah asat mainly because hadchi kan 2 years after independance fa kanou ba9in 7asbina dyalhoum

    • @theone7418
      @theone7418 2 роки тому

      Morocco is one of the MOST racist countries.

    • @MohammadAlAmineELMIR
      @MohammadAlAmineELMIR 2 роки тому

      @@theone7418 based on what? Have you ever visited the country to spout this nonsense?

    • @theone7418
      @theone7418 2 роки тому +2

      @@MohammadAlAmineELMIR yes, and all you have to do is look it up, plenty of evidence of citizens yelling racial slurs, and calling darker skinned Africans slaves. Get over yourself. Learn to fix your own issues before getting mad at someone else’s. Morocco’s mind is still that of someone in the 1800’s

    • @MohammadAlAmineELMIR
      @MohammadAlAmineELMIR 2 роки тому +5

      ​@@theone7418 Well I live in it and I've been subjected to racist behaviour and I have friends and family members who did for multiple arrays of reasons but it is not a reason to put a verdict on the whole country about it, each country have its own share of these discriminatory behaviours. Morocco is a very diverse country culturally and you'll find a lot of contradictions living aside. What you have seen on TV is more of Xenophobia than Racism which related to the issue of Sub-Saharan illegal immigration which affects the social balance of an already developing economy and newly hybrid representative democracy.
      Our history with slavery is different than that of the U.S. or Europe and it has a different cultural context that westerners tend to conflate out of their ignorance. In Morocco there is no systemic racism or discrimination on the basis of complexion, you could argue language more and still it won't make a good argument.
      Next time try to inspect more before saying nonsense about places you don't know nothing about instead of relying on comforting conclusions

  • @augustohelmberg4294
    @augustohelmberg4294 2 роки тому +18

    The Argentinean had good foundations and they wouldn't let her speak, the French woman was rude and arrogant, the Dane was living in a bubble, and the Moroccan, if he had spoken better English, would have been able to argue better.

  • @ThreePuttBogeys88
    @ThreePuttBogeys88 3 роки тому +37

    I wish people could debate so respectfully today.

    • @danielwoldu1855
      @danielwoldu1855 3 роки тому +4

      Yes , this time peoples doesn't respect each other from top to bottom levels

  • @Stounage
    @Stounage 3 роки тому +38

    Omar really is a smart kid

  • @robertakeehl5250
    @robertakeehl5250 3 роки тому +74

    6:18 "Is independence really important?" Says the boy from a country that didn't have to suffer from colonialism. There wasn't "cooperation" between nations, just exploitation and dominance over the place being colonized. Some arguments the boy from Morocco said may be different from what I think, but they had their every right to rebel against their colonizers, with or without nationalism as the others perceived it.

    • @alangervasis
      @alangervasis 3 роки тому +2

      You ignorant?? Denmark was colonized by hitler.

    • @robertakeehl5250
      @robertakeehl5250 3 роки тому +6

      @@alangervasis not colonized, occupied

    • @mayena
      @mayena 3 роки тому +1

      @@alangervasis Offcially the Nazi Germany occupation of Denmark 9/4/1940-7/5/1945

  • @bouldernative
    @bouldernative 3 роки тому +57

    Wow that French girl was incredibly arrogant and snarky

    • @rozhin6055
      @rozhin6055 3 роки тому +10

      She was so annoying. Said what she wanted to say and wouldn't wait for a response!

    • @johnmendoza2021
      @johnmendoza2021 Рік тому +1

      Loved her she was so based

  • @ze1805
    @ze1805 2 роки тому +16

    That french girl is quite impolite she might be a grandma now but she kept stopping people during their talk and that is just rude

  • @TAMAZGHA58
    @TAMAZGHA58 8 місяців тому +4

    As a moroccan i'm proud of you boy (grandpa) long life morocco 🇲🇦❤️☝️

  • @MohammadAlAmineELMIR
    @MohammadAlAmineELMIR 2 роки тому +9

    I think the whole conversation was starting on a bad foot since some of the participants were confused about the concept of Nationalism and were mixing it with Patriotism, hence why Omar for example was fervent about defending it since he is from a newly independent country

  • @j1n3
    @j1n3 3 роки тому +64

    France, Argentina, Denmark vs Omar

    • @maxpower252
      @maxpower252 10 місяців тому +1

      Omar was 2 centuries behind in time

    • @Zakariya3603
      @Zakariya3603 8 місяців тому

      @@maxpower252 Based Omar, he knew the old times were based times.

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      @kneerobe8409 8 місяців тому +1

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      @kneerobe8409 8 місяців тому +1

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      @kneerobe8409 8 місяців тому +1

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  • @babangidanzegwu1476
    @babangidanzegwu1476 2 роки тому +14

    The French girl is saying nothing meaningful nor useful, yet she keeps cutting people off to say absolutely nothing noteworthy.
    The Dane's speech on the needlessness of independence is VERY cringeworthy.

    • @babangidanzegwu1476
      @babangidanzegwu1476 2 роки тому +2

      Mrs Waller: Omar has defended himself. Now you 3 defend yourselves.
      Francois: Omar can you tell us first?
      Mrs Waller: No I meant any one of you but Omar.
      Francois: In that case I'll defend my point by drifting to ask Omar an entirely different question. ☹

  • @anaschiheb1015
    @anaschiheb1015 3 роки тому +15

    2:09 i think Morocco's done just fine with this

  • @xxBrokenDreams666xx
    @xxBrokenDreams666xx 2 роки тому +13

    I've watched at least 12 or 13 of these so far and I agree with others that the French girl is incredibly rude and it's offputting the whole energy. Worst debate of this series I've seen so far.
    The French girl took Omar's presence as a personal opportunity for her to attack him as a representative of his country as hers was it's previous oppressor. How obnoxious and self righteous. Same colonial & imperialistic defensive offense played by the South African girl in the 1958 season.

    • @aymenhjj322
      @aymenhjj322 2 роки тому

      She felt that what he’s saying is the truth so she tried stop him by asking the others questions but he noticed that too

    • @johnmendoza2021
      @johnmendoza2021 Рік тому

      She was so based

  • @mayena
    @mayena 3 роки тому +8

    Did many Europeans had post-imperial anxiety?. Decolonisation gave it a loss off external identity to the rest of the world?. France fought the French-Indo China War (1946-1954) in trying to reconquer Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam and the Algerian War (1954-1962).

  • @AliSalladin
    @AliSalladin 3 роки тому +54

    The French girls arrogance is hard to bare,it is evidence of why imperialism is not only bad for those it is imposed upon. She never listened to her counterpart from Morocco, and wanted to inform him about his own country. 2 years post independence is an incredibly short time. Also all imperialist on this show have the same talking points, how benevolent their country was to another. Logic would tell them imperialism wasn’t philanthropic.

    • @alangervasis
      @alangervasis 3 роки тому +9

      The moors themselves where imperial invaders into spain and southern france. It's funny some self hating leftist whities and moors have this historic amnesia..

    • @ahmedsalek976
      @ahmedsalek976 2 роки тому +1

      @@alangervasis based moors

    • @johnmendoza2021
      @johnmendoza2021 Рік тому +2

      She was so based

    • @strasbourgeois1
      @strasbourgeois1 Рік тому +2

      @@ahmedsalek976 Based French

    • @strasbourgeois1
      @strasbourgeois1 Рік тому +1

      @@johnmendoza2021 Right? They’re so mad over a political debate of two high schoolers, which are likely deceased (if they are may they rest in peace).

  • @gpproductionz
    @gpproductionz 3 роки тому +6

    It shouldn't be surprising that Denmark called for a world government considering Christian IX and his children ran all of Europe and Russia.... lol

  • @amitshah1266
    @amitshah1266 6 місяців тому

    The host lady needs special mention and deserves lot of praise for her knowledge, for asking probing questions and for facilitating a smooth interaction from these highly accomplished youngsters from different nationalities, backgrounds and with preconceived set beliefs and ideas.

  • @eklavya83
    @eklavya83 3 роки тому +9

    For The Europeans Nationalism = Hitler and all that hate filled nonsense. But for Asians and most of the other countries Nationalism and Patriotism are one and the same . Its the feeling against Colonialism / Imperialism . They see only through their Eurocentric lens . Thats why still now they try to differentiate between Nationalism and Patriotism. Patriotism - Good , Nationalism - Bad - Hitler. They view of the world and its history is very narrow . I am from India very much see this difference even now. All our freedom Fighters were Nationalist . The very concept of Nation is different in India . India is a Civilization State with all its diversity that's inherent in it. It has a rich and long history than many of the the European Nations .Europeans fail to realize this about India and many of the Asian countries.

  • @pepemujica6431
    @pepemujica6431 3 роки тому +13

    Si la argentina hablaba bien de Perón la mataban acá jajajaja para esa época estaba proscripto

    • @GeroG3N
      @GeroG3N 2 роки тому +1

      JAJAJAJAJ si, segui convenciendote de que esa es la razon por la cual la chica habla mal de Peron. Choca mucho contra tu relato escuchar como describe el adoctrinamiento que realizaba en los colegios el fascista de tu lider?
      En este debate la francesa, argentina y el dinamarques, se oponen al nacionalismo. Por lo tanto es logico que se opongan tambien a Peron.
      Saludos.

    • @pepemujica6431
      @pepemujica6431 2 роки тому +1

      @@GeroG3Nlíder? Aguante Alberdi y el liberalismo pedazo de bobi! ajajajajajaj la re vivis Scooby, salu2

    • @MrLaizard
      @MrLaizard 6 місяців тому

      @@pepemujica6431 La decadencia de Argentina esta en eso, nada mas patético que el ultrabananero liberalismo criollo

  • @iarabo4266
    @iarabo4266 28 днів тому

    - The Danish boy had an optimistic thought that all people of the world should live together and work for the common good,
    - The Moroccan boy answered that it's a good thought, but humans are weak and make mistakes and that fact should be taken into consideration,
    "I should learn to talk to ladies, it's hard" funny quote by Omar

  • @ivandinsmore6217
    @ivandinsmore6217 8 місяців тому +1

    The French representative is very arrogant. She forgets that Napoleon did to Europe what Hitler did. The Danish boy is a far left EU fanatic. Only the Moroccan boy comes out of this debate well. He is the wisest and most mature of them all.

  • @faridahany1156
    @faridahany1156 5 місяців тому

    I totally disagree with the boy from Denmark, but he was respectful and made the debate way more engaging.

  • @FOLIPE
    @FOLIPE 3 роки тому +20

    Imperialism disguised as cosmopolitanism, yikes.

  • @robertakeehl5250
    @robertakeehl5250 3 роки тому +25

    Aaaaa this was really embarrassing to watch 🙈🙈 I really like this show because of the brilliant youth they bring together, but some speeches make you remember they're teens from the 50's, so some opinions are progressive, and some are totally the opposite. Still nice show

    • @maztermonzter9764
      @maztermonzter9764 3 роки тому +1

      you are an anti-white racist, Denmark never colonized anyone, you hate him just for being white, typical ignorant third worldists
      .
      By the way, the Arab is a racist like most Arabs, the least educated person in the entire debate was precisely a non-Western person.

    • @mayena
      @mayena 3 роки тому +5

      @@maztermonzter9764 Danish West Indies (1672-1917).

    • @wakakabravo7998
      @wakakabravo7998 3 роки тому +2

      @@maztermonzter9764 Greenland. Duh..

  • @wat9177
    @wat9177 2 роки тому +6

    Morocco lets gooooo

  • @mayena
    @mayena 3 роки тому +2

    Does anyone know the exact date and month when this was originally recorded?.

  • @mathieublake1670
    @mathieublake1670 3 місяці тому

    Friendship is a great moral corrupter.

  • @aymenhjj322
    @aymenhjj322 2 роки тому +5

    the Moroccan won

  • @strasbourgeois1
    @strasbourgeois1 Рік тому +2

    Madame Françoise ❤

    • @marwamer3642
      @marwamer3642 Рік тому

      She is annoying and pretentious

    • @strasbourgeois1
      @strasbourgeois1 Рік тому

      @@marwamer3642 We all are, nobody can do anything about it

    • @marwamer3642
      @marwamer3642 Рік тому

      @@strasbourgeois1 wrong, cos I heard the Vietnamese and Algerians tamed you

    • @strasbourgeois1
      @strasbourgeois1 Рік тому

      @@marwamer3642 Algeria is under our breath. If we weren’t a democracy, French would be their first language and not their second.

    • @marwamer3642
      @marwamer3642 Рік тому

      @@strasbourgeois1 it's okay, comfort your ego. I've seen Marseille and Paris so I know who is getting cucked by the other.

  • @Tiorpk
    @Tiorpk Рік тому

    It's funny how much the Moroccan defended Algerians from that french debater.
    He'd spin in his grave nowadays.
    Nik Alkhrya.

    • @TAMAZGHA58
      @TAMAZGHA58 8 місяців тому

      للأسف أجدادنا دافعوا عليهم بإسم الأخوة و الاسلام ولكنهم نكارين الجميل

  • @maxpower252
    @maxpower252 10 місяців тому

    Proud of my Argentine countrywoman. She seemed the brightest in my 100% unbiased point of view 😅

    • @MrLaizard
      @MrLaizard 6 місяців тому

      Those conservatively educated, pathetically antiperonist oriented argentinean students would became the most ardent peronists a decade later

  • @danielwoldu1855
    @danielwoldu1855 3 роки тому +7

    Denmark's boy is brilliant