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RANT: A practical demonstration of tRAS and tRC DDR4 timings on Ryzen memory controllers.

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  • Опубліковано 7 вер 2022
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  • @dainluke
    @dainluke Рік тому +90

    Over time I have learnt to enjoy being verbally abused by Buildzoid

    • @joseperez-ig5yu
      @joseperez-ig5yu Рік тому +3

      You just like his punishment!🤣

    • @xlinnaeus
      @xlinnaeus Рік тому

      lmaooo

    • @ianmoone8244
      @ianmoone8244 Рік тому

      KKK

    • @OitbCZSf0bUiQAMXK2Mz
      @OitbCZSf0bUiQAMXK2Mz Рік тому +4

      Sometimes I fantasize about buildzoid coming home drunk and beating me until I feel numb. He kicks me in the ribs until I can hardly breathe. Then he starts to cry and apologizes, begging me to forgive him for calling my timings atrocious. He holds me all night as I gently cry into his "keep calm and raise vcore" t-shirt.

  • @idontneedthis66
    @idontneedthis66 Рік тому +22

    That beginning rant though...BZ sounds like the disappointed parent that catches you coming in at 2AM drunk beyond reason, and just looks at you saying "I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed" LOL
    Good stuff as always

  • @BKHD605
    @BKHD605 Рік тому +49

    BZ, I appluad you. You give us all the f*ing cookbook to overclocking fundamentals and all the protips that takes countless hours of testing to know. Amazingly people give up halfway through.
    and if you made a Zen3 + BDie video it'll rake the views. I guess the masses don't want Hardcore or lengthy in depth video breakdowns.
    Anyway keep it going :)

    • @sebastianm3505
      @sebastianm3505 Рік тому +2

      What would explode views would be literally 1 single picture of memory timings like in this video at the beginning, walking through every single timing explaining what it does

    • @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
      @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking  Рік тому +11

      @@sebastianm3505 ua-cam.com/play/PLpS0n7xxSadUJE1fEuWfEMGvmMsVYGAbA.html

  • @ApexLodestar
    @ApexLodestar Рік тому +29

    LMAO!!! BZ ranting and educating is a combination that's prime UA-cam.

  • @79aimless
    @79aimless Рік тому +29

    LOL, you explain things perfectly fine man. You're hilarious, thank you.

  • @AngeloNguyen
    @AngeloNguyen Рік тому +10

    Willful ignorance is probably the most cardinal sin, and now you've experienced that first hand, buildzoid! Hopefully people learn from this video!

  • @christopherjackson2157
    @christopherjackson2157 Рік тому +7

    I def get more out of the ram oc videos after watching the ram timings series. Recommend ppl at least watch the last one, that was where it clicked for me. Tho I still suck at ram overclocking lol. Good rant.
    It makes me wonder in what ways and xpo profiles will be different from Intel xmp

  • @valentin3186
    @valentin3186 Рік тому +13

    Reddit comments be like:
    Oh, no! Your tRAS is wrongly calculated. You should use that formula
    tRAS=tCL+tRP+Last digit of your ram product number
    lol

    • @samiraperi467
      @samiraperi467 Рік тому

      My takeaway from this video is that it might as well be because it won't matter if it's crazy low.

  • @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
    @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking  Рік тому +31

    fisrt

  • @itguydave2164
    @itguydave2164 Рік тому +11

    "Newer AGESA doesn't spit out F9". Latest Asus Dark hero does, I had 6 of them last night whilst tuning RAM... in all cases it was trying to push the clock beyond 2000MHz. My IMC won't go even 33MHz above it, no matter the voltage.
    Also, as much as this video is partially unnecessary (I watched the previous videos), it's a good focus topic that really needs to be better understood by anyone tweaking memory.

  • @DavoidJohnson
    @DavoidJohnson Рік тому +6

    I like to think I know how thick I am but there's no harm in being reminded occasionally.

  • @abheekgulati8551
    @abheekgulati8551 Рік тому +13

    Dear Mr. BZ, try not to be so impatient: if its taken you years to put out a series of videos on a requested topic, do allow your viewer base sometime to watch and subsequently absorb the information therein, the latter of which may take several review sessions for the viewer. If someone is asking you a question on a topic you've already addressed on AHOC, perhaps you could be so kind as to direct them to your channel rather than berating your entire viewer base for being idiots, as entertaining as that is to watch! Rant over, cheers.

  • @CattyRayheart
    @CattyRayheart Рік тому +22

    tFAW to 16 I remember that. That is the timing that limits how fast you can send 4 read commands. For the others I'd have to rewatch your videos a few times, keepign all the acronyms straight is hard.
    But cheer up, I at least learned and *retained* at least a bit of information.

    • @Kyori0
      @Kyori0 Рік тому

      also you have to set tRRD_S to 4 with tFAW of 16.

    • @linnaea_lavia
      @linnaea_lavia Рік тому +4

      *4 activate commands

  • @jonb695
    @jonb695 Рік тому +3

    Memory timings have realistically changed very little over the years and most come from a time when memory was accessed through actual strobes, some could be depreciated but jedec seems to keep them for fun. On older memory Tras was the number of cycles that the ras pin had to be held high following a row strobe.
    As far as the activate -> precharge with no read or write, this can happen, it is the basis of rowhammer attacks.

  • @JoonasTo
    @JoonasTo Рік тому +5

    TLDW: tune tRAS second to last and tRC last so it won't mess with your other timings.
    They also won't do anything if they are lower than your tRCDRD/WR and tRTP/WR combined for tRAS or tRAS and tRP combined for tRC. Just like tFAW won't do anything if it's less than four times tRRDS.

    • @volodumurkalunyak4651
      @volodumurkalunyak4651 Рік тому

      On Intel: Tune tRAS last and forget about tRC existing.
      On AMD: Set tRAS to 21 second to last, tune tRC last.
      4:05-4:12 at the video.

  • @rajackar
    @rajackar Рік тому +1

    Absolutely appreciate these videos. This is literally the first time I'm starting to understand all these timings. Does take a while to get used to all this and get all the different timings in my head. These practical examples help a lot.
    It's nice to finally know what I'm doing instead of just typing in whatever comes out of ryzen dram calculator ;-)
    Also love the rants haha.
    It's not super complicated but it is a LOT of information to absorb. So it takes some time haha

  • @mroutcast8515
    @mroutcast8515 Рік тому +5

    love the mocking Buildzoid edition right there at the start of the video. That shit never gets old 😄

  • @joseperez-ig5yu
    @joseperez-ig5yu Рік тому +1

    I'm sure you love doing rant videos BZ! I we love watching your videos immensely!🤪

  • @Real28
    @Real28 Рік тому +1

    That background is kinda hilarious with all of the stuff written around and in it.

  • @lilblackduc7312
    @lilblackduc7312 Рік тому +3

    Thank you for yet another fine Informative video with lively Editorial Comment! 🇺🇸 😎👍☕

  • @sumikomei
    @sumikomei Рік тому +2

    "You know, it just so happens that I have a video for that. That video also just so happens to be part of the same series this is in, and just so happens to have an index number in the title for where it is in the series."
    I find it as baffling as I do disrespectful that people will skip videos in a numbered series and then complain about not understanding something. Just *why*.

  • @NavinF
    @NavinF Рік тому +4

    AMD CPUs don't speculatively open rows and precharge when they're unnecessary? That's really surprising!

    • @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
      @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking  Рік тому +9

      The thing is if you have the wrong row open you end up taking longer getting to the correct row if it's in the same bank. Since instead of just needing a tRCD+tCL/tCWL you need tRP+tRCD+tCL/tCWL. It's also possible that AMD does speculative row activations but is just much less aggressive with PRE commands. Intel CPUs seem to be able to send PRE commands before tRCD is over.

  • @Wasmachineman
    @Wasmachineman Рік тому +4

    bz have you got any good resources on tuning B-die on Zen 2? not that the fucked IMC of my 3950X is any good beyond 3600 :(

    • @joescalon541
      @joescalon541 Рік тому +1

      That seems fairly unlucky. Are you sure it’s the 3950x and not other things like soc voltage or something else? When I was tuning a 3700x it easily hit 3800 and had a little bit more room but left it at 3800.

    • @Wasmachineman
      @Wasmachineman Рік тому +1

      @@joescalon541 I put 1.4V on CLDO_VDDP and it seems to have fucked up the IMC.
      Or the ASUS CH7 just sucks ass for RAM OC.

  • @zxcv4815
    @zxcv4815 Рік тому +1

    Informative and hilarious. Thank you

  • @nivel3arquitectos
    @nivel3arquitectos Рік тому +3

    Buildzoid, i would like to watch an analysis about current z690 motherboads power stages vs next gen raptor lake cpus, since 13900k is gonna be compatible with z690. All this to solve this question: do we need an overpriced new gen z790 motherboad to properly run an overclocked 13900k, or, is a mid-high tier z690 mobo capable enough? Also, your videos are amazing, i've learned a lot!Thanks!

  • @schumbo8324
    @schumbo8324 Рік тому +3

    man woke up and choose violence

  • @user-yk9pl4xs9b
    @user-yk9pl4xs9b Рік тому

    Well, im a big dum dum when it comes to memory overclock, thats why i subbed to you. Your timming videos helped me a lot to understand why timming is there and what for

  • @rayray00204
    @rayray00204 Рік тому +1

    GDM on you can set any timing as low as possible. but GDM off and 1T, some timings you have to follow their "rules" or it will go bsod. but I already tire to tweak any DDR4 kit. new DDR5 is the revolution.

  • @realnamesnotgiven6193
    @realnamesnotgiven6193 Рік тому

    I saw this before the timings video. Going to watch that tomorrow.

  •  Рік тому +3

    BZ always make me smile

  • @timestamppatrol
    @timestamppatrol 11 місяців тому

    thanks for this video no one really talking about it

  • @PAIN-ot4cj
    @PAIN-ot4cj Рік тому +4

    How do I lower my damn Trcd

  • @406mill
    @406mill Рік тому +2

    I've got 3 kids and i work with one of them, i know exactly how you feel! 🤣🤣🤣

  • @devoker666
    @devoker666 Рік тому

    Could this be board specific? I have asrock b450 itx + ryzen 3600, my kit runs with 16-17-17-30-50 but I can't boot with the timings 16-17-17-33-45 for example. Trtp 6, twr 12, tcwl 14 btw. Am I missing something?

  • @megavolt31r
    @megavolt31r Рік тому

    Hello, Buildzoid. Can you explain tWR? Does it need to be 2*tRTP? I can set it to 10 (tRTP 8), but the performance seems less consistent.

  • @BBWahoo
    @BBWahoo Рік тому

    Would 33 or 35 work as well? I have my tras at 21.

  • @m.m.3753
    @m.m.3753 Рік тому

    Hi BZ! Please help me. i own 4 Sticks 4133 @ 3600 14-14-14-14-28-42 1T GDM on, what should i set now for TRAS and TRC? Please help.

  • @vermillion4971
    @vermillion4971 Рік тому +2

    feel like i was spanked for being stupid... even though i haven't asked any question and didn't even finished watching timing videos, bcs i have rly cheap b450 mobo with 4x8gb 3200cl14 b-die with it and can't 100% stabilize it even with a bit looser secondary and therthiary timings, system pass all tests but sometimes randomly reboots, CPU is 5600x with +200 pbo, mobo is msi Mortar Max

    • @joseperez-ig5yu
      @joseperez-ig5yu Рік тому

      I guess you just need to ask BZ some smart questions and watch all of his videos . Then maybe BZ will think more highly of you!😇

    • @willjohnsonjohnson
      @willjohnsonjohnson Рік тому

      If it's just rebooting and not showing a bluescreen, it's most likely not the RAM.

  • @ionutortian5885
    @ionutortian5885 Рік тому

    Wath memory you recommend for ryzen 5 series and wath frequency

  • @keokio7
    @keokio7 Рік тому +2

    alright.. wtf is up with that wallpaper though.. did you make a deal with the devil, that's why you have all this computer knowledge?

    • @rwdturbo
      @rwdturbo Рік тому

      You will never learn of the full knowledge.. Normie vular person. 😂

  • @ianmoone8244
    @ianmoone8244 Рік тому +1

    But but but Buildzoid how tRAS works? xD

  • @Upon
    @Upon Рік тому

    Favorite energy drink? Also regardless of the why, this video is great there's nothing wrong with giving this its own segment/video, I mean how many people actually know this even on OC forums lmao so it's a good (maybe even concise) reminder. I also agree with how tRAS shouldn't be there even a dumb dumb can notice how it pretty much does nothing for performance (magic formula), based tRC tuning.

  • @sqbronco1
    @sqbronco1 Рік тому +1

    liked for bzs frustration.

  • @RiteKnight
    @RiteKnight Рік тому

    It's just our way of giving you more video ideas (though we do run the risk of BZ overheating :D )

  • @cosmicusstardust3300
    @cosmicusstardust3300 Рік тому +4

    I just bought a 128 GB kit of 3200MHz ECC RAM with my 5950X and called it a day screw latency lol

  • @wewillrockyou1986
    @wewillrockyou1986 Рік тому

    I was under the impression that tRAS was the time that the RAS signal was asserted, and therefore could be ended before the precharge starts if it was shorter than the RCD+CAS combination for the respective operation. Once the RCD completes, the selected row should be loaded into the row buffer which means the RAS signal is no longer needed to connect the row with the row buffer/sense amplifier.
    The behaviour of this aspect might be the reason this demonstration does not work on intel.

    • @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
      @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking  Рік тому

      Where is this mentioned because literally all the documentation I've read only talks about tRAS limiting how soon you can send a PRE after an ACT or how soon an automatic precharge can start. tRCD handles moving the data from the memory array into the sense amplifiers.

    • @jonb695
      @jonb695 Рік тому +2

      This was kind of true 25-30 years ago. Tras was "RAS active time" and was the number of clocks that Ras had to be held high after the row strobe but has changed with more modern memory standards.
      This is one of the issues with alot of the memory overclocking information that is available online, there is quite a bit of decades old, outdated information mixed in.

    • @wewillrockyou1986
      @wewillrockyou1986 Рік тому

      ​@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I think it is implicit because under JEDEC, tRAS is way longer than the minimum of the RCD+CAS combination so it is gating when the precharge can start. It's only when you lower RAS below JEDEC values that RCD+CAS can become the larger of the two. tRCD handles the time that is needed to pass before the CAS is allowed to start, but because CAS and RAS are independent signals, for a read operation you can keep RAS active as long as you like once the data is in the row buffer. For a write operation RAS has to be held active anyway to push the data from the row buffer back to the row in the memory array, so RAS is held active until the precharge.

  • @paveljelinek772
    @paveljelinek772 Рік тому

    Yea but does it guarantee you any speed/latency boost in real world? Edit: thanx for thorough explain of how timings work man♥️♥️♥️ i can finally tighten my crucial ballistix max to the absolute stable max ♥️

  • @extremegf
    @extremegf Рік тому

    I watched and appreciated them :)

  • @evo0074
    @evo0074 Рік тому +1

    thats godlike

  • @K9PT
    @K9PT Місяць тому

    This aply also in DDR5?!

  • @JosiahBradley
    @JosiahBradley Рік тому

    Is that stockfish on your desktop?

  • @vibonacci
    @vibonacci Рік тому

    PCIe5 is worth it. Double speed NVMe from gen 4... was waiting for it

  • @patent5421
    @patent5421 Рік тому +2

    Angry buildzoid is the best buildzoid 😈

  • @alucard2438
    @alucard2438 Рік тому

    I just can't understand what's with the pentagram

  • @Wasmachineman
    @Wasmachineman Рік тому

    btw bz, 4/4/16 tRRD/tFAW errored within 15 minutes in Tm5 Absolute :(

  • @areng871
    @areng871 Рік тому

    Did that wall paper gain another 100mhz?

  • @CrazySerb
    @CrazySerb Рік тому

    We all know real reason why Buildzoid picked this kit. It has RGB so timings do not matter!

  • @czbrat
    @czbrat Рік тому

    I have Hynix CJR so my tRC and tRAS both bottom out.

  • @longjohn526
    @longjohn526 Рік тому

    Is that screencap implying this is all really witchcraft? Bubble bubble toil and trouble set my tRC to double

  • @BobGP1
    @BobGP1 Рік тому

    Yo some people are just a little slow or just clicked on this first

  • @bringbackdislikebutton6452
    @bringbackdislikebutton6452 Рік тому

    Jayz2cents level of derision while actually being right

  • @tylercoombs1
    @tylercoombs1 Рік тому

    I'm sorry Buildzoid this video is still too wordy for me. Could you turn this into a TikTok series full of B-roll animations, maybe add a musical bit? Thanks xxoo lol

  • @cainzjussYT
    @cainzjussYT Рік тому

    waaaow ... you live in the future :D

  • @rippermkd1
    @rippermkd1 Рік тому +3

    hey buildzoid, i have 4x8gb 4100mhz (b-die) adata, and i cant get it to work more than 3600mhz (also mobo spec says max for 4 dimms is 3600mhz, 2 dimms work perfectly on 4100mhz) board is asus prime x570-pro. tried lot of stuff, even with auto clocks nothing works even 3800mhz. is there anyway i can go around???

    • @chovekb
      @chovekb Рік тому +1

      5700G to possibly get them to 3733 LOOL

    • @executor893
      @executor893 Рік тому +2

      Your motherboard is daisy chain topology, therefore you shouldn't be using more than 2 sticks of RAM if you want high RAM clocks. With daisy chain and 4 sticks, the RAM traces will differ in length, causing extra instability. You want a T-topology motherboard for 4 DIMM configurations.

  • @fracturedlife1393
    @fracturedlife1393 Рік тому +1

    Always surprised bz doesn't pull the godawful rgb off

  • @WillFuI
    @WillFuI Рік тому +2

    I am a idiot I know

    • @joseperez-ig5yu
      @joseperez-ig5yu Рік тому

      I'm sure you will grow out of it very soon!🥰

  • @attention_shopping
    @attention_shopping Рік тому

    so good

  • @dinudaniel1568
    @dinudaniel1568 Рік тому +1

    👍👍👍

  • @Blade_of_Tomoe
    @Blade_of_Tomoe 2 місяці тому

    This guy would be a terrible teacher lol

  • @plasmaman9592
    @plasmaman9592 Рік тому +1

    I like your content but it's hard to watch your videos cuz you get off on tangents and talk for a long time on things that aren't particularly relevant

  • @TennessseTimmy
    @TennessseTimmy Рік тому

    I don't understand this :)
    I believe it, I see it XD

  • @meandrost2824
    @meandrost2824 Рік тому

    Intel Bdie next?

  • @BuzzKiller23
    @BuzzKiller23 Рік тому +2

    haha, tras go burrrrr

  • @doubledutch3439
    @doubledutch3439 Рік тому

    Even stupid people like me could learn about timings if only the right information was available. What you would need is:
    1 A list with all the commands.
    2. The (simple) math behind it.
    3. Why the math is like that (which is also simple).
    But unfortunately no overclocking guide or UA-cam channel will tell you this and googling doesn't give the right hits either.
    You all think BZ is such a genius, but you just spend 20 minutes on only 2 commands, which could be explained in less than 20 seconds.

    • @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
      @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking  Рік тому +1

      THERE IS NO MATH IN MEMORY TIMINGS.

    • @doubledutch3439
      @doubledutch3439 Рік тому

      @@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking depends how you look at it, fortunately I just watched your 4th video, which is excellent.

  • @rwdturbo
    @rwdturbo Рік тому +2

    But pentagram, 😈😂

  • @_BangDroid_
    @_BangDroid_ Рік тому

    Is there an "Actually Mediocre Overclocking" channel? lol jk

  • @LA-MJ
    @LA-MJ Рік тому

    Excel didn't work so you expect shouting numbers into the void will? Lol

  • @TennessseTimmy
    @TennessseTimmy Рік тому +1

    🤣🤣🤣

  • @Wasmachineman
    @Wasmachineman Рік тому +2

    Not first.

  • @4ghzgaming664
    @4ghzgaming664 Рік тому +1

    I just came here to tell you to clean up your desktop

  • @idwalwilliams3713
    @idwalwilliams3713 Рік тому +1

    3rd?

  • @vofatis
    @vofatis Рік тому

    🤣

  • @sebastianm3505
    @sebastianm3505 Рік тому

    😂😂😂

  • @redclaw72666
    @redclaw72666 Рік тому

    Wanna know why lazy people want short less than 3 mins lol