All PIP assessments should be officially recorded and a written transcript should be given to the claimant to sign prior to being given to the decision maker.
absolutly the fact that they will not allow it shows they have something to hide i see no reason at all other than they are fudgeing it to get people of the books and save money. the way people are being treated with severe health problems is a disgrace. "so you have lost both your legs in car accident can you tell me what problems that causes you" these people are bastards paid by the government to get people of the benifits they are wrightfully getting.
You can request for the interview to be recorded and they will give you the CD afterwards. My wife did this with her second interview after failing her first where the health worker (NOT a Doctor) blatently lied about things concerning her mobility!!! We discovered this when she appealled the decision. Her second interview was with a much more understanding lady than the first who was obviously carrying out her orders to get people off sickness benefits.
Similar thing happened to me.... ATOS assesor said she observed me walking normally for over 50 metres without an aid, yet I'm in a wheelchair... I lost my Motability car immediately, and it tooks ages to get a new one once my appeal was won.... It should be classed as misconduct in a public office for these assessors to lie so blatantly; perhaps they'd pack it in once a few of them landed in a prison cell!
Yes,conduct perceived as threatening, harmful, or otherwise endangering to the property, health, safety, and moral welfare of people. The offence should be reported to the police.
The trouble is, their methods come from, and are the responsibility of the government. So getting a good result in court will be difficult if at all possible. Recently, the UN has told them that their policies and ways are probably illegal and have told them they should reverse the harm they have done. The DWP response has been to deny everything. These people are some of the most desperately evil in this country. The whole despicable system should be reversed. Too many people have lost their lives because of this lot.
they are a task force to lower the numbers of people on benefits that's their Job and their mission and this government know full well what they are doing as they are employing them to do it. and its why even though it has been proven in court that they have lied and altered reports, so far no legal action has been taken.
Totally out of order! why should someone with cancer have to even attend an assessment anyway!!!! then be made to look fitter than he was! Government is crap.
3:22 "Although very rare, this is not a one-off" It has happened to more or less everyone I have spoken with who has gone thru the PIP or ESA process. This government needs to go.
@Spookychris01... Yeah, but NOBODY who is disabled wants a Tory politician getting in! At least Labour, LibDems, Plaid, The Greens and SNP actually care about disabled people. The things disabled people have had to put up with since 2010 at the hands of The Conservative party, has been nothing short of a national disgrace - an appalling, shamelessly deliberate set of policies to claw money from disabled people to pay for needless austerity so that the least able have to pay for the mistakes of the rich bankers who provide 80% of Tory party funding! Politicians and political parties are *NOT ALL THE SAME* so don't try and pretend they are!
Anglo Saxon also it was a labour government under Tony Blair that brought in the welfare reform act. If you vote for a political party you're voting in the establishment. New Labour are covert tories
@@NilsAlbertsson you must be joking...labour are worse. They use disabled people so they can justify higher taxes and give the money raised to their base in benefits. Pork Barrell pure and simple.
It’s a disgrace. They said on my partners that he was clean tidy, well turned out and easy to understand. He hadn’t washed or shaved in 2 months and had ripped and dirty cloths on and was drunk! I can’t even understand when he’s been drinking
That what she done is against the law the assessor should be punished for calling the clement a liar when it was assessor who lied and committed fraud.
I have Autism, ADHD and Depression and im so glad that i have access to this information about PIP before i apply. Im DEFINITLY recording it, because this shit is absolutely fucked.
Oh come on now. You know all trainee doctors need a skeleton. Or there are vacancies within fun fair ghost trains and haunted houses. You will definitely not be paid for halloween and you must declare any sweets earned for taxation laws. It is no good saying you were cremated either. Bone china still commands a good price.
Teminds me of kevin bridges talking about the paraplegic guy who cant work.....oh you cant work pal.....look pal theres a farmer down the road lookimg for a scarecrow so.shift yourself. We are the government pal....we dont give a fuck....
@dave 1 it's sick isn't it. If you were ashes in a fucking urn the dwp would say pull yourself together and get a full time job. Don't be lazy and just stay in your pot. I know its not really something to joke about cos this is serious but they really need to sort the benefits system out.
I got turned down twice for PIP when I was going through cancer, because a physiotherapist assessed me. So I just had to go on regular universal credit. In my 5th week of radiotherapy when I was very very poorly I got an email telling me I had to go down to the job centre for a meeting with a job coach or my benefits would be cut, even though at the time I had a job, they just weren't paying me sick pay anymore. I went down there with severe radiation burns, and being ill like that if I had caught a cold or infection from there it would have been very bad for me. I was sipping water constantly and the security guard tried to take my water from me. The job coach was appalled that I had got denied pip, and she said I should fight it, but the problem is, people applying for pip are very ill and fatigued and don't have the energy to fight most of the time, so it just keeps on happening. The whole system is a lash up.
Well said and so True God Bless You Amen xxxxxxx and God Bless Your Earthly Family Amen xxxxxxx I pray that your Earthly Health is improving as you walk this Earthly World this Earthly Realm Amen xxxxxxx
They lied about my entire assessment and my benefits were cut, and for 3 months I had nothing until I was put on UC, been fighting it for over a year without success. It's great news to hear that some one won an appeal. Thanks for the motivation to carry on.
My wife was employed by this lot - she went away on the training course and quit after 5 days because she was utterly disgusted at what they were being trained to do. They were being shown how to make it next to impossible for people to claim.
I had applied for pip before and was lied about even lost at court as I had no support workers at the time. (I have borderline personality disorder) and various conditions that effect my whole life. The judge was manipulative and at the time only my friend could go with me. So I have recently reapplied and had another assessment, the assessor responded to me and my worker by coming out 15 minutes late and saying “it’s going to another 15mins now I have finally got rid of that last one”(the poor woman assessed before me) I asked for some water (I am diabetic type 1) there was a tiny bit in a jug and offered my worker some water and took the last drop for myself but asked the assessor for more water she was reluctant and annoyed I wanted water, I nearly passed out with heat (the heating was on full blast) my worker asked me if I was ok and the assessor moaned she had been cold that day. That day in my town there was a severe snow storm. I had bought recording equipment but it was so old that sadly it wasn’t going to work I was distraught when she found out I couldn’t record her face was pure relief and laughed. Yeah I know why as well! Why are we not allowed to record this it should be MADE LAW THAT ALL ASSESSMENTS ARE RECORDED IT PROTECTS THEM AND US! This has to stop!
What was most difficult in my case was the assessor comes across as understanding and caring, then blatantly lies in the report. I wanted to record the assessment and ask for a copy at the end of the assessment but I was too anxious to ask for that! They took full advantage of my conditions and left me with nothing. Now I have to pay council tax, rent, etc with no income what so ever. No wonder so many people commit suicide. Want to know the irony in all of this? I've had therapy, CBT and personal psychological therapy... which did actually help and I am currently on meds and slowly making progress. I was literally starting to feel better enough to work and on the day I was hoping to integrate into society and get my livelihood back for myself, they sent the rejection letter stripping me of everything. That already messed me up when they threw me off of DLA because of PIP years back which sent back my progress tenfold. The gov don't help the vulnerable, they purge them.
When I went I thought the woman was going to help me, and seemed nice. Then she lied in the report. Said I refused to take a asthma test when she didn’t even ask me to. I felt betrayed by the woman I kept crying about it, she completely downplayed everything and wrote me off as fit to work. I thought I was finally going to have some money in to give my mum.
Agree! My partner thought his assessor was lovely and that the meeting went very well. Until he got awarded 0 points, we appealed and saw all of the lies the assesssor had wrote about him! It went to tribunal in end after I wrote a letter stating all of his lies and he got full points and 11 months back pay
I have my pip tribunal 21st march and ive had year of fighting it. Now i dont feel like i have strength to get thru the last bit, they play mental games with us to drive us to suicide. They dont care about how they cause distress. Im at point of feeling suicidal more n more bcos of all stress. They have no compassion at all.
Toby go see citizen advice and take them with you fight your case you are too precious to your family to even be thinking of suicide hope you will or have won
@@playcloudpluspc Can you demonstrate criminal intent to defraud? Didn't think so. Can you prove any deliberate malfeasance? Again, no. So, as with you, a mistake rather than a deliberate hostile act. Speaking of the afflicted therefore should your parents be held liable for negligence or recklessness? Please only offer informed opinion. Or read a book.
@@GoteeDevotee So doubling the lung function reading to make the patient appear much healthier is just a simple mistake then? This poor man lost his mobility vehicle immediately, where was his due process? What would have happened if he hadn't recorded the assessment or it had not been deemed admissible? There is such a thing as the spirit of the law and if the letter of the law condones this then the law is an ass. You are just an apologist, I'm sorry; I don't want to live in such a barbaric society even if you do.
@@GoteeDevotee it happens way too often just to be a mere mistake, either it is fraud on behalf of the government, or they are employing idiots & it is mass gross negligence. If the claimant was to 'make a mistake' they would be treated as fraudulent & lose their benefits
its actually a national shame this is happening right now in this country to hundreds thousands of people ,its a terrible crime against the disabled, its like the Govt is waging war on the disabled,making them suffer needlessly -worst of all,the perpetrators will never get to be held to account.
Yip they get bonuses if they fail you. I took in 2 tape recorders. Completely humiliating experience. I'm sorry you were treated this way when you are dealing with Cancer. I was also a tax payer before I got ill. Best wishes.
Apparently they get £50 a day if they fail 6 cases. £250 a week is more than the pip itself 😕. So they earn more money failing you than you would get from the pip.... Makes sense. NOT
I am a tax payer and I am perfectly fine with someone like Nev receiving a high level of benefits. He was clearly mistreated and at the time of his assessment, was struggling with even the most basic day to day activities. Someone who has worked for years and has sadly been affected by cancer should not be fraudulently denied benefits!
I'm still on DLA, and living in limbo - so scared that when my PIP reassessment gets under way my needs will be downgraded, my whole life is on hold and it's made me ill, now agoraphobic...!
sam333 I have a combination of disabilities/illnesses severe enough to be awarded DLA highest rate care, higher rate mobility, both eventually classed as 'indefinite' about 9 years ago...
sam333 Btw, for those who don't know - an DLA 'indefinite' award is/(was) when it was recognised your health/disabilities were not expected to ever improve, so there was no point in having you keep re-applying for DLA every few years - sensible idea, yeah? Too much like common sense for the Tories, though - especially if there's lots of money to be made from all those unnecessary, often traumatic reassessments... but hey, people might start growing legs back, or miraculously regaining their sight, without their own doctor noticing!
Well I am happy to report it is not all hopeless doom and gloom. A battle has been won even if the war continues.... They haven't had their assessment yet but I know a claimant who's DLA was terminated and their PIP claim closed just because they refused point blank to attend an assessment location and the reasons given for non attendance were based on their human rights, loss of dignity, risk of further injury and a whole myriad of other relevant reasons their rep managed to discover were correct via online research and accepted by DWP but their award was never reinstated.. Insanity alert!!.. The DWP having initially told the claimant when they lost their FTT (First Tier Tribunal) appeal that their only option now was to make a fresh claim for PIP.. Well undeterred by this they proceeded with written permission to appeal to the UTT (Upper Tier Tribunal) and well over two years after it all began they were notified they had been granted permission to appeal to the secretary of state who has a month to respond.. or their staff minions do.. The UTT judge not only flayed into the DWP for contradicting itself but also the FTT who apparently had "erred in law".. Whether all these mistakes were purposeful or not we will never know but the claimant currently feels like half a dozen anvils have been taken off their shoulders.. However it all ends (and when the claimant resurfaces from their well deserved bender, begun a few days ago) time will tell..? Our advise to anyone enduring Government bullying is fight on legally.. never give into these bastards.. When the going gets tough the tough get going is right and proper.. Government appear to be testing claimants will to live and the core "determination" of the individual.. Rise above the bullshit.. cry, get angry, sleep a lot, stroke your pet ... whatever in private.... but never let them see you weak, down or upset.. Then come out of your corner properly wised up on how to proceed and fight back.. No emotion, it will not alter how they are one jot.. Best of luck to all genuine claimants...
I went through a nightmare with my claim. Lies and deceit on the part of the assessor. You have my thanks mate for keeping up the fight. It takes a lot out of you. Especially when your dealing with someone who should be there to help. I won my appeal but was left in a right state for a good while after. Hope life is better for you now. God bless a true Brit.
I strongly belive when like in this case a person Has been clearly defrauded by the medical assesment company then that person should recive compensation for all the time in prep and time in court time with solicitors and it will be the comoany assessing not the dwp that recives the claim for compensation they cannpay it out of the millions they recive a year ! Then lets see if the so called mistakes stop happening
MP'S should face similar requirements when claiming expenses. That is also taxpayers money. I don't see why we should pay for MP Lammy's jaffa cakes (over 200 pounds worth) Disgraceful what genuine claimants have to go through while MP'S claim for everything from homes to coffee.
ATOS and CAPITA are set to be paid more than 700 million for their five-year contracts against an original estimate of £512 million, furthermore almost 70% of claimants have their original decision overturned at appeal. (DWP) has spent more than £100m in just over two years on administering reviews and appeals against disability benefits and tens of millions of pounds a year are also spent by the Ministry of Justice on the appeals. So if people are interested in how their taxpaying money is spent they need to dig a bit deeper. It’s disgusting that we live in a society that allows those that are sick to be treated so badly. Nobody knows how long they will have their health, or when they themselves might need the help of this utterly corrupt system.
My heart just sinks hearing reports of such gross unfairness. Thank god nev recorded his assessor. Why do the DWP throw out claims if they discover you have recorded? If everything is done fairly and correctly then they shouldnt have any worries about any recordings.....honestly its getting worse in this country to try and get anything done......this assessor although voiced over here almost talked to nev in the same self righteous teacher to pupil but very robotic way. Where do they find these people....do they talk in the same manner with their friends down the pub? Poor nev spending a year trying to put the DWP right and having to jump so many hoops. Its all wrong is this.. the guy had a lung removed and cant work. He has paid his taxes now fucking well leave him alone and just pay him his fucking money.... .the uk really is heading down a very dark path. DWP and government....shame on you if this what you call welfare. You are hateful.
I was on DLA 10 years, pip assessment failed and failed at tribunal with 3 representatives, who I would say I got no help with. failed ESA assessment and waiting for tribunal date. Made a new claim on pip. Waiting for results. I have Ankylosing spondylitis, osteoarthritis, asthma, knee pain, sciatica, numbness in feet and hands. suspected Meniere's disease due to middle ear Infection. Profound hearing in one ear and losing hearing in the other. Expected to look for work with all that. I have medical notes. Never expected in my life, to suffer in this way. Can't survive on £73 a week.
Had ankylosing spondylitis, sciatica,tendonitis and gout caused by lower kidney function due to medication i had to take, guess what i carried on working for almost 20 years with all that before taking early retirement at 63,My doctor and other health professionals advised me to give up work but i carried on its called Pride and not wanting to be a scrounger. during all that time i never claimed anything from the state. People meed to man up and stop feeling sorry for themselves.
janette rose im glad to hear it these people that comment these things are paid to post these comments from what i assume the government to incite trouble and go against the collective thought of the people , as i would suspect that if we all thought the same about the government then there wouldn't be one in existence as we would do away with them. they forget that we pay them to serve us not the other way around, they wouldn't exist if we didnt hold them up from the bottom
This has been happening for years, It isn't "mistakes" made by individual nurses. This is clearly a top down problem and the only reason these private firms were brought in to do these assessments is to give one more degree of separation and deniability to the government. I was on DLA and then PIP for nearly 5 years due to a mental breakdown and these assessments were awful. Not only were they extremely stressful and detrimental to my recovery but financially they have a massive impact. Government departments are very quick to talk to each other when they want to stop giving assistance but when you then go through the appeal and win it's down to you to notify and often reapply for things that never should have stopped in the first place.
My son was diagnosed with Asperger's 16 years ago and was approved for disability living allowance. He recently had a PIP assessment and was turned down even though his circumstances haven't changed. The assessment is supposed to be carried out by medical professionals but typically they have no understanding on mental health related disabilities. Even the questions asked are geared towards physical disability and even then 9 out of 10 are turned down first time then miraculously approved on appeal. The whole system is a farce.
Bless you. I won mine by going to he tribunal hearing - the third assessment you could say. I've paid tax into this country for 30 years. Very hard to prove I have bipolar. Good on ya for taking 'them' on. 🍊
Every time I'm re assessed I'm found fit for work and every re assessment my osteoarthritis has worsened and has spread to other joints. Fibromyalgia gets worse also. Always a battle to be assessed without the fight. It makes me feel physically sick with the stress and worry. So many real disabled people have to go through this BS. It's a joke. I really feel for everyone who's had to suffer with these degrading assessments.
I've had three heart attacks, I have an incurable lung disease,I suffer with unstable angina, during the pandemic I altogether wasn't allowed to leave my house for over two years, the government sent me food parcels I was first in line to get the so called vaccine. Since 2009 I'm admitted to hospital between two and five times a year,the effect on my mental health has been catastrophic. All of my illnesses and the effects they have on my ability to live an independent life have gotten worse, the conditions are chronic in nature and are controlled by drugs. At my last assessment by a so called medical professional I was refused, and the things included in the report where inaccurate and misleading,and the things that where relevant where deliberately left out. One of the disciptors where I would of scored maximum points,was taken out and the reason for that was vaguely explained with "on the best medical evidence". Within three months of being refused pip eighty people a month are dying in this country. The shocking thing is that I haven't seen it on the news,it seems no journalist deems it news worthy. This government has fought tooth and nail in the courts to conceal these facts which tells us that they are knowingly allowing sick and disabled people to die. What can we do it's literally terrifying
You have to be wheeled into the assessment room on a trolley with I. V. tubes sticking out of your arm having a coronary and knocking on deaths door. However, your still allowed to work 16 hours a week. So how does that work then, anyone ?
I wish I used a recording, when my ESA assignment came back it was totally different from what i had discussed with the assessor proper lies,and now am forced to claim JSA with my disability, Anyway am appealing for mandatory reconsideration
Grace Kahugu From what i read you will get the same decision a NO. But got a better chance with tribunal appeal after that as its independent court. I feel sorry how they abuse and target genuine vulnerable like you. We pay taxes so they help genuine people and not have them be subjected to abuse and stress. Good luck! 👍
Grace Kahugu I'm not going to pretend it's going to be easy but i was in your exact position just over a year ago. Went for ESA assessment November 2016, got 0 points, had to claim Jobseekers even though I cannot leave my home on my own, applied for mandatory reconsideration, refused, finally got to the tribunal April 2017 & didn't even have to go into the hearing as the tribunal took 1 look at my medical evidence & awarded my support group, fully backdated almost 2 years & a recommendation not to be reassessed for 36 months. Do hang in there I know it's tough now but they hope people will give up before it gets to tribunal. 1 thing I will say is they try not to tell you this but once you've had your mandatory reconsideration decision, even if it's decided to uphold thier decision that you are not entitled, lodge your appeal & you will get an official letter from the tribunal service within a week or so saying that your appeal has been officially lodged. From the date on this letter you are then entitled to go from JSA back to ESA assessment rate untill your tribunal. DWP SHOULD do this automatically but don't always so contact them the day you get that notice & tell them you want to go back to ESA. You won't have to fill in new claim forms or anything. It's the same rate as JSA I'm afraid but without any obligations or pressure to seek work. Best of luck with it all. 🤞🍀
The person responsible for falsifying the report should be prosecuted for fraud as a criminal offence - conduct perceived as threatening, harmful, or otherwise endangering to the property, health, safety, and moral welfare of people. This offence should be reported to the police.
CrazyChickenNuggetAddict 03 you had the exact same experience as my partner, only with his they said he had to stay on jsa until the court date. So had sick notes to take to jsa, had to pretend to look for work but then they stopped his jsa cause he couldn’t go cause he was ill. At court went from 0 points to full and 11 months back pay
I had my assessment a few weeks ago and got the results the other day. It says I can walk 200 metres and the person also said that I could walk 20 metres in 18 seconds with the use of an elbow crutch. Half the questions on the form I wasn't even asked about but yet answered by her. Certain questions were also wrong. So money money was stopped, I suffer from a back injury which I did in 2011 while at work and I haven't been able to work since then. Every day is a struggle for me if I lie on my left side I have to have help getting out of bed, I can't stand for more than a few minutes and wen I put vaccum on I have to keep stopping to rest my back. My back gets so bad I would be in tears with it as it would feel like I have been kicked by a horse. I don't go out anymore because the pain gets worse. I already know beforehand that my appeal will be rejected by the DWP and if it is then I will go to the tribunal about it.
Prosecution for criminal fraud and attempted manslaughter , and disabled harrassment , quite simply these bastards are criminals but death is too good for them. A systematic warcrime. The same thing applied to war pensioners as well ( 80,000)
You need to fight it. I know it feels hopeless now but remember this, you have one case to win. And you have proof your right. The other side has thousands of BS rulings to justify. If more people stand up the more pressure it puts on the government to do what’s supposed to do.
Get help from CAB or other charities that specialise in PIP claims. It makes the assessors sit up and listen. Never go to an assessment alone. Best of luck
I covertly recorded all of the assessments I was forced to attend from 2010 onwards. The judges all accepted my recordings as evidence and word for word transcipts. I recently won PIP at the mandatory appeal stage because I told them I was going to hand all of the recordings as evidence of routinely under playing my conditions. I had one assessor terminated my assessment stating I was verbally abusive. My video recording shows how this was clearly not the case. These companies are criminal.
You've got private companies carrying out medical assessments with a quota target to reduce pay outs. What could go wrong? This is one of the sickest things a Tory Government has ever done and it makes me extremely angry.
Absolutely disgusting they lied so much on my assessment.the judge at my trailbunel said sorry to me for the stress and pain the DWP aka ATOS put me through and give me 21 points in ten min from 0 points.so if you get declined take it to trailbunel and don't let em put you on UC untill the trailbunel.cos you won't get back pay.
Oh god, my assessment is this week and reading these comments, I'm freaking out!!!!! It's a home visit, they'll definitely take me off as I'm on the lowest payment, if they knock just 1 point off then I'll lose it. I'm so scared
yeah so true muslim women get benefits no problem as their religion forbids them working, you will never see someone in a burqa working, not sure how the ones not in burqas are still alive must be a different sect.
Hi Nev which court did you go to. I am going through the same thing and want to go to court. Someone needs to start a class action against these people.
I had one single peak flow test on my assessment. The examiner said it was fine but on the report it said client unable to provide proper peak flow result. If that was the case why not just ask me to do it again? Anyway my benefits were reduced accordingly and I was declared fit for work.
It should be legal for anyone to record your personal assessment , over the years I've had to appeal my decisions pretty much every time, and I noticed that things hadn't been written as I'd said in the interview , which contradicted what I'd written myself in my first form. I also had a assessment where the nurse said she knew nothing of my condition, yet was able to assess me ?? The appeals have been granted every time , but it took more money for the government to go threw such cases. I don't understand why our own GPs that see us on a regular basis can't grant them information on our consent . 20 mins in an interview where some of us can't remember things, get confused and even stumble on words ( infact the words just don't come 🙄) , or stumble on stairs even flat ground, how can they judge us on 20mins ?? Some of us have random attacks of symptoms during a week brought on by nothing or something , no pattern. Yet if you walk in and out your arms up basically you've failed your interview ? (Sorry that's how it's felt in the past), my daughter has sever anxiety so she got her interview at home , but because she was more relaxed at home with me sitting with her, she wasn't bad enough to pass her interview?? Yet getting her. Outside is a huge step, and she always is accompanied by someone , and will still crumble and freak out when not expected . Even in the interview she couldn't count when asked her mind was blank ( she starts to shut down with stress). Yet her paper said she could count perfectly , and could converse perfectly ? She didn't understand most of what the nurse said, her dyslexia means to her everything has to be worded in simple terms or she gets overloaded. Yeah they need an overhaul of their system cause it's not working fairly for ppl !!
My daughter has had epilepsy for 10 years they have done the same in her pip interview totally different answers to what we gave! And have stopped half her benefit...
My PIPs assessment was done by a girl guide with a first aid badge. Apparently her views override those of my GP and a consultant psychiatrist. I can only surmise that a "first aid badge" must be one hell of a qualification.
i have had 4 f2f for dla and when it changed to pip 3,everyone i was refused but at tribunal i won every one.in 2019 november i had another pip f2f assessment,this i purchased the equipment and recorded it,and this time got my pip without having to take it to tribunal. i wonder if it was because i recorded it.....i think so,as my illnessess were exactly the same as the first dla claim i did.
hi i give pip advice for charity, you can legaly record the pip assesments but you have to let them know befor the assesment, you need twin tape recorders like the ones cops use, give the assesor one copy keep the other, ive sat in on a few assesments and the dwp still lie, commit fruad, and one time denighed the assesment on tape happened, most cases are won at tribunal over 75% so fight fight all the way, seek out the meny help groups like fight back and disabilty rights uk,, get you mp involved,
i had a bike accident smashed my wrist and was in hospital bed ridden ,i had surgery on the wrist and was under general aneasthetic , i had a full arm plaster on my arm from wrist to shoulder ,8 weeks later when they cut it off the nurse told me it was the heaviest and thickest plaster she,d ever seen lol , my pip assessment was a friendly affair but rejected and even for that 8 week period i was told i was available for work lmao , even the dwp guy looked sheepish as he told me , now i know its not lung cancer but even so i was hardly up to work whilst in a full arm cast , with broken ribs and the skin from most of my leg ripped off , i didnt push the issue because whats the point ,i wouldnt have been successful
This is what happened to my neighbour who had just lost her mum also she had anorexia and depression they took her car and slashed her money saying she could work when she couldn’t that happened in the April a few years ago by December she was dead and that woman had worked all her life since she was 17 she worked hard they killed her
My story under a tori government My autistic son has been on dla since age 4 now 17 had to transfer to pip Filled in the forms with a true reflection of our son and looking at the marking form they use we should have been awarded it but of course refused it. It's clear what we put down is not believed Government targets come first while they pay big companies to do the assessments and the people with conditions suffer We went all the way to the tribunal where my son had to sit in front of a judge a doctor and someone else and answer questions like Do you have a playstation can you read and understand instructions for them Son doesn't know what to say so says yes (No one reads the instructions) Are you doing driving lessons yes What the don't know is his dad is his instructor What would he do if his guitar strings snap His mum got them sorted he is not going to tell them this Subjects at school oh your doing well he does subjects that suits his needs with limited theory he won't say this Of course we lost the case This is a horrible thing to go through for anyone nevermind a autistic kid Oh and we had money matters help us with this and guess what he works in the same building (alarm bells) and he went through the form and said he doesn't see why he has not got it and in no way did he prepare us for this if anything we where lead to believe it would be ok On a final note if you are diagnosed autistic it's a life long condition not just for the short term (so our son is not healed) His mum who is not in the best of health is in a state because she blames herself for not being successful with this Sooner the Tories are out the better they have never been good for the lower class and never will
Tommy Neil I’m so sorry. I know a few people with autism and it can be hell. One friend seemed “normal” most of the time. But that only made their little moments stand out more.
Part of the problems with PIP and ATOS is who they employ to do the job, ATOS had a doctor working for them who was struck off and banned from practicing medicine in the UK, but because he lived in france and traveled over for work he got around that ban for a while until found out. They also have physiotherapists doing health assements for mental and physical problems. that means you have people making medical assesments on conditions they are NOT qualified or even trained to work with. These companies by law mys be required to send some one who is qualified in Cancer, Heart, Mental health problems to assess those conditions. You would not ask a St Johns ambulance person to perform surgery, so how can they do it to deal with benifits and life changing medical and health problems
the biggest problem here is the outside company conducting the test,they obviously have targets to meet as regards to dwp contracts its the same as people who need to sign on for benefits, i know of someone who was unemployed and signing on, there first time ever doing so in a 40 year working life,his advisor actually warned him one day that higher level managment had taken the advisors in and told them they needed to cut at least 4 people a week through sanctions etc, the advisor told my friend to make sure eveything was perfect on his job searches etc so they had no excuse to harras him while we know others that have been on benefits for years nothing wrong with them etc and got cars,private lets the works! the dwp is shocking the worst goverment dept!
Ned you are absolutely correct in doing this because they are not recording Dara accurately. They stated I was able to walk perfectly and was observed doing so for 200 yards, impossible and a lie. Within northern Ireland we have no government minister despite this being one of the largest government departments in the UK. DFC told me they never bothered to record key personal data. Capita did not record my data properly and refused an investigation. Sort of makes disabled people feel like second class citizens doesn't it. Yet recipients of RHI boiler scheme recipients are protected by human rights legislation. What us also amazing is that me and you are also funding a RHI enquiry which will cost millions. What an insult to the disabled of the UK.
This is a problem that needs addressing. My assessment report was also untrue to what I had said in the interview. It was like I was reading someone else's. Still waiting on a mandatory reconsideration months later. I wish I had taped it...I will next time.
How tf can it be illegal to record a conversation in your own house? She went into his home not knowing what kind of cameras might be there and still saw fit to be there of her own accord. That’s disgusting. You should have the right to protect yourself, and to do things like this man has, in his own house.
I was the same put throw the mill .after bowel surgery. And told a peck of lies,he was so hateful. And his arrogance unbelievable. He left me in tear when we got his report we couldn’t believe that a doctor would do this to a cancer patient is disgraceful.
They lied about my mums said she could bend over and touch her toes, she couldn’t even do that before she had cancer. The assessor also tried to physically force her thumbs to bend which was very painful as they are straight and don’t bend due to arthritis.
On mine i was asked about planning a journey , this is the question that gives them the right to halve your mobility money ( from high rate to standard) , what planning a journey has to do with your walking problems is bogus , the sneaky DWP invented this question to take money of most of the claimants . I had a so called lady doctor who was in fact a so called nurse that had been so called trained to do these tests . They are done to take money of most claimants and these fake doctors receive 30 pounds for each claimant they fail , i know because i know a DWP government doctor who secretly tells me what the snaeky government is forcing the DWP to do to save money . IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW ILL OR DISABLED YOU ARE ITS ALL ABOUT THIS GOVERNMENT SAVING BENEFIT MONEY. Fack the Tories look at this universal credit crap they are forcing on people. Fack em all the no good pieces of dog zhit.
I'm nearly 60 years old and have worked full time for nearly all of the 44 years since I left school. Over those years some patterns have emerged. There has been a fairly constant campaign to target those who abuse the welfare system and that's as it should be. Curiously, over the years, there has always been a large unclaimed surplus of benefits. This has often been several times the magnitude of the estimated fraud losses but I've yet to hear of the powers that be going to any lengths to correct that. In my time I've occasionally had the misfortune to have to claim various benefits, such as unemployment benefit, rent rebate etc. I find it difficult to recall many of those instances when my claims weren't screwed up at some point or I was told point blank I wasn't entitled to a benefit when I knew I was. In the early 80's I used some of the time I had available to me through unemployment by helping out at a claimants union. That was an eye opener and taught me a few things. I find it impossible, having gone through those experiences, to believe there isn't a co-ordinated approach to deny benefits payments at any opportunity that exists to this day.
All PIP assessments should be officially recorded and a written transcript should be given to the claimant to sign prior to being given to the decision maker.
absolutly the fact that they will not allow it shows they have something to hide i see no reason at all other than they are fudgeing it to get people of the books and save money.
the way people are being treated with severe health problems is a disgrace.
"so you have lost both your legs in car accident can you tell me what problems that causes you"
these people are bastards paid by the government to get people of the benifits they are wrightfully getting.
Agreed, people who are above board have nothing to fear about being recorded
You can request for the interview to be recorded and they will give you the CD afterwards. My wife did this with her second interview after failing her first where the health worker (NOT a Doctor) blatently lied about things concerning her mobility!!! We discovered this when she appealled the decision. Her second interview was with a much more understanding lady than the first who was obviously carrying out her orders to get people off sickness benefits.
All P.I.P accessments should be done by a Drs and not by these would be know it alls.
Totally agree 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Similar thing happened to me.... ATOS assesor said she observed me walking normally for over 50 metres without an aid, yet I'm in a wheelchair... I lost my Motability car immediately, and it tooks ages to get a new one once my appeal was won.... It should be classed as misconduct in a public office for these assessors to lie so blatantly; perhaps they'd pack it in once a few of them landed in a prison cell!
Yes,conduct perceived as threatening, harmful, or otherwise endangering to the property, health, safety, and moral welfare of people. The offence should be reported to the police.
The trouble is, their methods come from, and are the responsibility of the government. So getting a good result in court will be difficult if at all possible. Recently, the UN has told them that their policies and ways are probably illegal and have told them they should reverse the harm they have done. The DWP response has been to deny everything. These people are some of the most desperately evil in this country. The whole despicable system should be reversed. Too many people have lost their lives because of this lot.
This just happened to my mother too. Sick bastards.
they are a task force to lower the numbers of people on benefits
that's their Job and their mission and this government know full well what they are doing as they are employing them to do it.
and its why even though it has been proven in court that they have lied and altered reports, so far no legal action has been taken.
I'm An ambulatory wheelchair user myself. I Feel you there.
"Poor assessment?" No it was lies, lies, lies. I've been there for my son and suffered the same but he won at Tribunal.
I was stunned at the lies the assessor told, stunned.
Totally out of order! why should someone with cancer have to even attend an assessment anyway!!!! then be made to look fitter than he was! Government is crap.
He HAD cancer is the true wording not he has cancer because he no longer has canCER so therefore its HE HAD CANCER notHE HAS CANCER
Beth Lancaster oh shut up you ignorant bigot everyone has to go through WCA regardless of their religious beliefs
@@joannecampbell6760 fuck off
its a disgarce and not one news channel is covering it.
they did that last time and they crumbled.
Not good country anymore the government full of murders.
3:22 "Although very rare, this is not a one-off" It has happened to more or less everyone I have spoken with who has gone thru the PIP or ESA process. This government needs to go.
@Spookychris01... Yeah, but NOBODY who is disabled wants a Tory politician getting in! At least Labour, LibDems, Plaid, The Greens and SNP actually care about disabled people.
The things disabled people have had to put up with since 2010 at the hands of The Conservative party, has been nothing short of a national disgrace - an appalling, shamelessly deliberate set of policies to claw money from disabled people to pay for needless austerity so that the least able have to pay for the mistakes of the rich bankers who provide 80% of Tory party funding!
Politicians and political parties are *NOT ALL THE SAME* so don't try and pretend they are!
Labour will change nothing! The previous Conservative government brought in laws to smash the unions, did Labour repeal them? NO
Very rare my ass. 80% of people on DLA didn't make it to PIP. 80 fucking percent!
Anglo Saxon also it was a labour government under Tony Blair that brought in the welfare reform act.
If you vote for a political party you're voting in the establishment. New Labour are covert tories
@@NilsAlbertsson you must be joking...labour are worse. They use disabled people so they can justify higher taxes and give the money raised to their base in benefits. Pork Barrell pure and simple.
last one for his lung reading 150. suddenly jumps to 300!?! on the paper. bastards.
Indeed, all the people who didn't record their assessments are victims of a grave injustice. I'm sure this isn't the first time this has happened.
Assessors actually get commission for each person they sign off allowances. Probably fiddled with this case to gain some extra cash themselves.
It’s a disgrace. They said on my partners that he was clean tidy, well turned out and easy to understand. He hadn’t washed or shaved in 2 months and had ripped and dirty cloths on and was drunk! I can’t even understand when he’s been drinking
@@playcloudpluspcStill happening now
That what she done is against the law the assessor should be punished for calling the clement a liar when it was assessor who lied and committed fraud.
I have Autism, ADHD and Depression and im so glad that i have access to this information about PIP before i apply. Im DEFINITLY recording it, because this shit is absolutely fucked.
a PIP assessor asked a friends son ... "when were you first diagnosed with downs syndrome" ... great understanding they have.
only for someone who doesnt understand downs syndrome .. I have a brain and its not a question I would ask.. but i guess assessors dont have a brain
@Chris Landry when were u first diagnosed as an asshole?
Bronzebeard I have my assement in May I suffer from left side hemiplegia
@@josephreed2728 hope it goes ok for you.
@@HOLLOWPOINT71 Lols..
I have been dead for ten years and atos still found me fit for work!😲
Oh come on now. You know all trainee doctors need a skeleton. Or there are vacancies within fun fair ghost trains and haunted houses. You will definitely not be paid for halloween and you must declare any sweets earned for taxation laws.
It is no good saying you were cremated either. Bone china still commands a good price.
John done x
That’s not too bad the DWP staff have been dead for years
+francis lea Bloody brilliant!!!
Teminds me of kevin bridges talking about the paraplegic guy who cant work.....oh you cant work pal.....look pal theres a farmer down the road lookimg for a scarecrow so.shift yourself. We are the government pal....we dont give a fuck....
@dave 1 it's sick isn't it. If you were ashes in a fucking urn the dwp would say pull yourself together and get a full time job. Don't be lazy and just stay in your pot. I know its not really something to joke about cos this is serious but they really need to sort the benefits system out.
I got turned down twice for PIP when I was going through cancer, because a physiotherapist assessed me. So I just had to go on regular universal credit. In my 5th week of radiotherapy when I was very very poorly I got an email telling me I had to go down to the job centre for a meeting with a job coach or my benefits would be cut, even though at the time I had a job, they just weren't paying me sick pay anymore. I went down there with severe radiation burns, and being ill like that if I had caught a cold or infection from there it would have been very bad for me. I was sipping water constantly and the security guard tried to take my water from me. The job coach was appalled that I had got denied pip, and she said I should fight it, but the problem is, people applying for pip are very ill and fatigued and don't have the energy to fight most of the time, so it just keeps on happening. The whole system is a lash up.
Well said and so True God Bless You Amen xxxxxxx and God Bless Your Earthly Family Amen xxxxxxx I pray that your Earthly Health is improving as you walk this Earthly World this Earthly Realm Amen xxxxxxx
So sorry Rose it is a disgrace the way people are treated by these tories take care
Its so corrupt
Were you put on LCW? or LCWRA?
They lied about my entire assessment and my benefits were cut, and for 3 months I had nothing until I was put on UC, been fighting it for over a year without success. It's great news to hear that some one won an appeal. Thanks for the motivation to carry on.
Evil thats what they are.
They are pure evil
What a shame that those who need help don't get it. Especially if you hv worked hard before getting sick
My wife was employed by this lot - she went away on the training course and quit after 5 days because she was utterly disgusted at what they were being trained to do. They were being shown how to make it next to impossible for people to claim.
I had applied for pip before and was lied about even lost at court as I had no support workers at the time. (I have borderline personality disorder) and various conditions that effect my whole life. The judge was manipulative and at the time only my friend could go with me. So I have recently reapplied and had another assessment, the assessor responded to me and my worker by coming out 15 minutes late and saying “it’s going to another 15mins now I have finally got rid of that last one”(the poor woman assessed before me) I asked for some water (I am diabetic type 1) there was a tiny bit in a jug and offered my worker some water and took the last drop for myself but asked the assessor for more water she was reluctant and annoyed I wanted water, I nearly passed out with heat (the heating was on full blast) my worker asked me if I was ok and the assessor moaned she had been cold that day. That day in my town there was a severe snow storm. I had bought recording equipment but it was so old that sadly it wasn’t going to work I was distraught when she found out I couldn’t record her face was pure relief and laughed. Yeah I know why as well! Why are we not allowed to record this it should be MADE LAW THAT ALL ASSESSMENTS ARE RECORDED IT PROTECTS THEM AND US! This has to stop!
What was most difficult in my case was the assessor comes across as understanding and caring, then blatantly lies in the report. I wanted to record the assessment and ask for a copy at the end of the assessment but I was too anxious to ask for that! They took full advantage of my conditions and left me with nothing.
Now I have to pay council tax, rent, etc with no income what so ever. No wonder so many people commit suicide.
Want to know the irony in all of this? I've had therapy, CBT and personal psychological therapy... which did actually help and I am currently on meds and slowly making progress. I was literally starting to feel better enough to work and on the day I was hoping to integrate into society and get my livelihood back for myself, they sent the rejection letter stripping me of everything.
That already messed me up when they threw me off of DLA because of PIP years back which sent back my progress tenfold.
The gov don't help the vulnerable, they purge them.
Exacly..
When I went I thought the woman was going to help me, and seemed nice. Then she lied in the report. Said I refused to take a asthma test when she didn’t even ask me to. I felt betrayed by the woman I kept crying about it, she completely downplayed everything and wrote me off as fit to work. I thought I was finally going to have some money in to give my mum.
Agenda 21.
Agree! My partner thought his assessor was lovely and that the meeting went very well. Until he got awarded 0 points, we appealed and saw all of the lies the assesssor had wrote about him! It went to tribunal in end after I wrote a letter stating all of his lies and he got full points and 11 months back pay
I Agree 100%
I was the same issue
I have my pip tribunal 21st march and ive had year of fighting it. Now i dont feel like i have strength to get thru the last bit, they play mental games with us to drive us to suicide. They dont care about how they cause distress. Im at point of feeling suicidal more n more bcos of all stress.
They have no compassion at all.
Yes they do the sneaky fucking bastards and they also try and tell you to not tell you Drs office of their tests
I had to pay £30 to get a note from my gp saying i couldnt attend the assessment due to anxiety etc. Its a fucking disgrace how people are treated!!!
Toby I hope you won your tribunal ? 🙏
Toby go see citizen advice and take them with you fight your case you are too precious to your family to even be thinking of suicide hope you will or have won
I read an article where they were described as 'little Hitlers', never have I seen such an apt description.
this is neglect and abuse so why arnt they jailed?
You're right should've prosecuted as assessor committed fraud that could have caused serious harm to her victim.
@@playcloudpluspc Can you demonstrate criminal intent to defraud? Didn't think so. Can you prove any deliberate malfeasance? Again, no. So, as with you, a mistake rather than a deliberate hostile act.
Speaking of the afflicted therefore should your parents be held liable for negligence or recklessness?
Please only offer informed opinion. Or read a book.
@@GoteeDevotee So doubling the lung function reading to make the patient appear much healthier is just a simple mistake then? This poor man lost his mobility vehicle immediately, where was his due process? What would have happened if he hadn't recorded the assessment or it had not been deemed admissible? There is such a thing as the spirit of the law and if the letter of the law condones this then the law is an ass. You are just an apologist, I'm sorry; I don't want to live in such a barbaric society even if you do.
@@GoteeDevotee it happens way too often just to be a mere mistake, either it is fraud on behalf of the government, or they are employing idiots & it is mass gross negligence. If the claimant was to 'make a mistake' they would be treated as fraudulent & lose their benefits
That reading was no Mistake @@GoteeDevotee
its actually a national shame this is happening right now in this country to hundreds thousands of people ,its a terrible crime against the disabled, its like the Govt is waging war on the disabled,making them suffer needlessly -worst of all,the perpetrators will never get to be held to account.
Yip they get bonuses if they fail you. I took in 2 tape recorders. Completely humiliating experience. I'm sorry you were treated this way when you are dealing with Cancer. I was also a tax payer before I got ill. Best wishes.
Apparently they get £50 a day if they fail 6 cases. £250 a week is more than the pip itself 😕. So they earn more money failing you than you would get from the pip.... Makes sense. NOT
This happens all day long it's not a one off . This highlighted why it's necessary to records ur interview
Callous people..supposed to be a safety net for the ill and vulnerable.
I am a tax payer and I am perfectly fine with someone like Nev receiving a high level of benefits. He was clearly mistreated and at the time of his assessment, was struggling with even the most basic day to day activities. Someone who has worked for years and has sadly been affected by cancer should not be fraudulently denied benefits!
You're so right he was denied it wrongfully its so bad
They lied about me and made me live in absolute poverty for years until I found a mental health nurse who would act as my advocate.
My assessor was very knowledgeable about the disease which I have and was given the highest level of PIP
You found a miracle ❤️
I'm still on DLA, and living in limbo - so scared that when my PIP reassessment gets under way my needs will be downgraded, my whole life is on hold and it's made me ill, now agoraphobic...!
what are your problems anna?
sam333 I have a combination of disabilities/illnesses severe enough to be awarded DLA highest rate care, higher rate mobility, both eventually classed as 'indefinite' about 9 years ago...
sam333 ...and it's the 'indefinite' bit that pushes me to the back of the queue! And of course, there's no such thing as an 'indefinite' PIP award...
sam333 Btw, for those who don't know - an DLA 'indefinite' award is/(was) when it was recognised your health/disabilities were not expected to ever improve, so there was no point in having you keep re-applying for DLA every few years - sensible idea, yeah? Too much like common sense for the Tories, though - especially if there's lots of money to be made from all those unnecessary, often traumatic reassessments... but hey, people might start growing legs back, or miraculously regaining their sight, without their own doctor noticing!
am very sure u will get pip x be as thorough as u can hun x get all medical evidence too
WTF IS IT ILLEGAL TO RECORD WHAT WAS SAID IN AN INTERVIEW? The police tape interviews, all the time.
It doesn't go in reverse.
It's about asking for permission. You can do it with permission but you need a recorder with two tapes so they can have a copy
yes they should be taken to task as well
Well I am happy to report it is not all hopeless doom and gloom. A battle has been won even if the war continues.... They haven't had their assessment yet but I know a claimant who's DLA was terminated and their PIP claim closed just because they refused point blank to attend an assessment location and the reasons given for non attendance were based on their human rights, loss of dignity, risk of further injury and a whole myriad of other relevant reasons their rep managed to discover were correct via online research and accepted by DWP but their award was never reinstated.. Insanity alert!!.. The DWP having initially told the claimant when they lost their FTT (First Tier Tribunal) appeal that their only option now was to make a fresh claim for PIP.. Well undeterred by this they proceeded with written permission to appeal to the UTT (Upper Tier Tribunal) and well over two years after it all began they were notified they had been granted permission to appeal to the secretary of state who has a month to respond.. or their staff minions do.. The UTT judge not only flayed into the DWP for contradicting itself but also the FTT who apparently had "erred in law".. Whether all these mistakes were purposeful or not we will never know but the claimant currently feels like half a dozen anvils have been taken off their shoulders.. However it all ends (and when the claimant resurfaces from their well deserved bender, begun a few days ago) time will tell..? Our advise to anyone enduring Government bullying is fight on legally.. never give into these bastards.. When the going gets tough the tough get going is right and proper.. Government appear to be testing claimants will to live and the core "determination" of the individual.. Rise above the bullshit.. cry, get angry, sleep a lot, stroke your pet ... whatever in private.... but never let them see you weak, down or upset.. Then come out of your corner properly wised up on how to proceed and fight back.. No emotion, it will not alter how they are one jot.. Best of luck to all genuine claimants...
Who can I contact for support? Am under attack from DWP and Suffering through disability
THAT ASSESOR GOT HER BONUS ....
My late wife got awarded PIP immediately after Macmillan contacted them. No visit, no interview.
I went through a nightmare with my claim. Lies and deceit on the part of the assessor. You have my thanks mate for keeping up the fight. It takes a lot out of you. Especially when your dealing with someone who should be there to help. I won my appeal but was left in a right state for a good while after. Hope life is better for you now. God bless a true Brit.
Isn’t it an offence to write things that are false? In which case, aren’t the assessors not liable to prosecution for fraud?
they are, the problem is proving it because they don't allow recording most of the time.
@@robokill387 They don't allow recording if you get caught. Just don't get caught, and fight, fight, fight.
I strongly belive when like in this case a person
Has been clearly defrauded by the medical assesment company then that person should recive compensation for all the time in prep and time in court time with solicitors and it will be the comoany assessing not the dwp that recives the claim for compensation they cannpay it out of the millions they recive a year !
Then lets see if the so called mistakes stop happening
MP'S should face similar requirements when claiming expenses. That is also taxpayers money.
I don't see why we should pay for MP Lammy's jaffa cakes (over 200 pounds worth)
Disgraceful what genuine claimants have to go through while MP'S claim for everything from homes to coffee.
ATOS and CAPITA are set to be paid more than 700 million for their five-year contracts against an original estimate of £512 million, furthermore almost 70% of claimants have their original decision overturned at appeal. (DWP) has spent more than £100m in just over two years on administering reviews and appeals against disability benefits and tens of millions of pounds a year are also spent by the Ministry of Justice on the appeals. So if people are interested in how their taxpaying money is spent they need to dig a bit deeper. It’s disgusting that we live in a society that allows those that are sick to be treated so badly. Nobody knows how long they will have their health, or when they themselves might need the help of this utterly corrupt system.
Doubling something from 150 is not a mistake, it's not a typo, it's not something you do by accident.
Capita get paid for every applicant that gets denied pip.
ATOS now they are worse than Capita.
My heart just sinks hearing reports of such gross unfairness. Thank god nev recorded his assessor. Why do the DWP throw out claims if they discover you have recorded? If everything is done fairly and correctly then they shouldnt have any worries about any recordings.....honestly its getting worse in this country to try and get anything done......this assessor although voiced over here almost talked to nev in the same self righteous teacher to pupil but very robotic way.
Where do they find these people....do they talk in the same manner with their friends down the pub?
Poor nev spending a year trying to put the DWP right and having to jump so many hoops. Its all wrong is this.. the guy had a lung removed and cant work. He has paid his taxes now fucking well leave him alone and just pay him his fucking money....
.the uk really is heading down a very dark path. DWP and government....shame on you if this what you call welfare. You are hateful.
I was on DLA 10 years, pip assessment failed and failed at tribunal with 3 representatives, who I would say I got no help with. failed ESA assessment and waiting for tribunal date. Made a new claim on pip. Waiting for results. I have Ankylosing spondylitis, osteoarthritis, asthma, knee pain, sciatica, numbness in feet and hands. suspected Meniere's disease due to middle ear Infection. Profound hearing in one ear and losing hearing in the other. Expected to look for work with all that. I have medical notes. Never expected in my life, to suffer in this way. Can't survive on £73 a week.
Had ankylosing spondylitis, sciatica,tendonitis and gout caused by lower kidney function due to medication i had to take, guess what i carried on working for almost 20 years with all that before taking early retirement at 63,My doctor and other health professionals advised me to give up work but i carried on its called Pride and not wanting to be a scrounger. during all that time i never claimed anything from the state. People meed to man up and stop feeling sorry for themselves.
are you one of them also clark kent as you have a blank youtube channel commenting on government issue videos
+The Ekoe Thank you. I won't listen to the tramp. You always get one who has no compassion. I got my MP'S secretary involved and finally got pip.
janette rose im glad to hear it these people that comment these things are paid to post these comments from what i assume the government to incite trouble and go against the collective thought of the people , as i would suspect that if we all thought the same about the government then there wouldn't be one in existence as we would do away with them. they forget that we pay them to serve us not the other way around, they wouldn't exist if we didnt hold them up from the bottom
Hope the DSS are watching you when you are out and not putting on your act.
This has been happening for years,
It isn't "mistakes" made by individual nurses.
This is clearly a top down problem and the only reason these private firms were brought in to do these assessments is to give one more degree of separation and deniability to the government.
I was on DLA and then PIP for nearly 5 years due to a mental breakdown and these assessments were awful.
Not only were they extremely stressful and detrimental to my recovery but financially they have a massive impact.
Government departments are very quick to talk to each other when they want to stop giving assistance but when you then go through the appeal and win it's down to you to notify and often reapply for things that never should have stopped in the first place.
My son was diagnosed with Asperger's 16 years ago and was approved for disability living allowance. He recently had a PIP assessment and was turned down even though his circumstances haven't changed. The assessment is supposed to be carried out by medical professionals but typically they have no understanding on mental health related disabilities. Even the questions asked are geared towards physical disability and even then 9 out of 10 are turned down first time then miraculously approved on appeal. The whole system is a farce.
I agree they are geared to wards physical disability I noticed that
IT'S NOT RARE!
IT'S EVERY DAY, COUNTRYWIDE.
Bless you. I won mine by going to he tribunal hearing - the third assessment you could say. I've paid tax into this country for 30 years. Very hard to prove I have bipolar. Good on ya for taking 'them' on. 🍊
So glad here in Scotland things have changed. Hope you're doing well Nev
Every time I'm re assessed I'm found fit for work and every re assessment my osteoarthritis has worsened and has spread to other joints. Fibromyalgia gets worse also. Always a battle to be assessed without the fight. It makes me feel physically sick with the stress and worry. So many real disabled people have to go through this BS. It's a joke. I really feel for everyone who's had to suffer with these degrading assessments.
I've had three heart attacks, I have an incurable lung disease,I suffer with unstable angina, during the pandemic I altogether wasn't allowed to leave my house for over two years, the government sent me food parcels I was first in line to get the so called vaccine. Since 2009 I'm admitted to hospital between two and five times a year,the effect on my mental health has been catastrophic. All of my illnesses and the effects they have on my ability to live an independent life have gotten worse, the conditions are chronic in nature and are controlled by drugs. At my last assessment by a so called medical professional I was refused, and the things included in the report where inaccurate and misleading,and the things that where relevant where deliberately left out. One of the disciptors where I would of scored maximum points,was taken out and the reason for that was vaguely explained with "on the best medical evidence". Within three months of being refused pip eighty people a month are dying in this country. The shocking thing is that I haven't seen it on the news,it seems no journalist deems it news worthy. This government has fought tooth and nail in the courts to conceal these facts which tells us that they are knowingly allowing sick and disabled people to die. What can we do it's literally terrifying
Its disgusting how you were treated
This is why these state and institutional responsibilities should not be pimped out to private companies whose only agenda is profit.
Dwp should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.
You have to be wheeled into the assessment room on a trolley with I. V. tubes sticking out of your arm having a coronary and knocking on deaths door. However, your still allowed to work 16 hours a week. So how does that work then, anyone ?
Mystical healing powers granted by the almighty DWP.
The way the UK, a developed country, treats those who are in desperate need of help is totally horrendous.
I wish I used a recording, when my ESA assignment came back it was totally different from what i had discussed with the assessor proper lies,and now am forced to claim JSA with my disability, Anyway am appealing for mandatory reconsideration
Grace Kahugu From what i read you will get the same decision a NO. But got a better chance with tribunal appeal after that as its independent court. I feel sorry how they abuse and target genuine vulnerable like you. We pay taxes so they help genuine people and not have them be subjected to abuse and stress. Good luck! 👍
Grace Kahugu I'm not going to pretend it's going to be easy but i was in your exact position just over a year ago. Went for ESA assessment November 2016, got 0 points, had to claim Jobseekers even though I cannot leave my home on my own, applied for mandatory reconsideration, refused, finally got to the tribunal April 2017 & didn't even have to go into the hearing as the tribunal took 1 look at my medical evidence & awarded my support group, fully backdated almost 2 years & a recommendation not to be reassessed for 36 months. Do hang in there I know it's tough now but they hope people will give up before it gets to tribunal. 1 thing I will say is they try not to tell you this but once you've had your mandatory reconsideration decision, even if it's decided to uphold thier decision that you are not entitled, lodge your appeal & you will get an official letter from the tribunal service within a week or so saying that your appeal has been officially lodged. From the date on this letter you are then entitled to go from JSA back to ESA assessment rate untill your tribunal. DWP SHOULD do this automatically but don't always so contact them the day you get that notice & tell them you want to go back to ESA. You won't have to fill in new claim forms or anything. It's the same rate as JSA I'm afraid but without any obligations or pressure to seek work.
Best of luck with it all. 🤞🍀
The person responsible for falsifying the report should be prosecuted for fraud as a criminal offence - conduct perceived as threatening, harmful, or otherwise endangering to the property, health, safety, and moral welfare of people. This offence should be reported to the police.
CrazyChickenNuggetAddict 03 you had the exact same experience as my partner, only with his they said he had to stay on jsa until the court date. So had sick notes to take to jsa, had to pretend to look for work but then they stopped his jsa cause he couldn’t go cause he was ill. At court went from 0 points to full and 11 months back pay
I lost my body in a car accident, i'm just a talking head! Iv'e been told i can lick stamps in an office and pronounced fit for work!
Bluenose67 and I’m betting they said you have no leg pain after standing for hours
You're a legend mate.
I had my assessment a few weeks ago and got the results the other day. It says I can walk 200 metres and the person also said that I could walk 20 metres in 18 seconds with the use of an elbow crutch. Half the questions on the form I wasn't even asked about but yet answered by her. Certain questions were also wrong. So money money was stopped, I suffer from a back injury which I did in 2011 while at work and I haven't been able to work since then. Every day is a struggle for me if I lie on my left side I have to have help getting out of bed, I can't stand for more than a few minutes and wen I put vaccum on I have to keep stopping to rest my back. My back gets so bad I would be in tears with it as it would feel like I have been kicked by a horse. I don't go out anymore because the pain gets worse. I already know beforehand that my appeal will be rejected by the DWP and if it is then I will go to the tribunal about it.
Whoever did this assessment should be reprimanded!
Prosecution for criminal fraud and attempted manslaughter , and disabled harrassment , quite simply these bastards are criminals but death is too good for them. A systematic warcrime. The same thing applied to war pensioners as well ( 80,000)
I wish I had recorded mine, the assessor down and out lied and I scored 0 points. I haven’t the strength to fight it.
You need to fight it. I know it feels hopeless now but remember this, you have one case to win. And you have proof your right. The other side has thousands of BS rulings to justify. If more people stand up the more pressure it puts on the government to do what’s supposed to do.
Get help from CAB or other charities that specialise in PIP claims. It makes the assessors sit up and listen. Never go to an assessment alone.
Best of luck
I am pleased you got your car back.
Been fighting pip for 5 years still nothing with being housebound with severe ME and fibromyalgia chronic fatigue syndrome
I covertly recorded all of the assessments I was forced to attend from 2010 onwards.
The judges all accepted my recordings as evidence and word for word transcipts.
I recently won PIP at the mandatory appeal stage because I told them I was going to hand all of the recordings as evidence of routinely under playing my conditions.
I had one assessor terminated my assessment stating I was verbally abusive.
My video recording shows how this was clearly not the case.
These companies are criminal.
You've got private companies carrying out medical assessments with a quota target to reduce pay outs. What could go wrong? This is one of the sickest things a Tory Government has ever done and it makes me extremely angry.
I SALUTE YOU FOR BEING STRONG AND TRUE TO YOUR RIGHTS
How terrible for this man. Hoping everything good will come his way!
The payouts by DWP totalled £198m in 2015, £91m in 2014 and £7m in 2013, the year PIP launched. There was a bonus scheme in place rewarding fails.
Absolutely disgusting they lied so much on my assessment.the judge at my trailbunel said sorry to me for the stress and pain the DWP aka ATOS put me through and give me 21 points in ten min from 0 points.so if you get declined take it to trailbunel and don't let em put you on UC untill the trailbunel.cos you won't get back pay.
Oh god, my assessment is this week and reading these comments, I'm freaking out!!!!! It's a home visit, they'll definitely take me off as I'm on the lowest payment, if they knock just 1 point off then I'll lose it. I'm so scared
They treat you like a liar, but they're really the liars.
I think it's racism because I don't see or hear black people and Muslim going through this problem, Do you if so tell me and others people please.?
yeah so true muslim women get benefits no problem as their religion forbids them working, you will never see someone in a burqa working, not sure how the ones not in burqas are still alive must be a different sect.
The Government will turn this over due to so much against it. God bless this man and I hope he is still well.... and happy as he can be.
ESA work capability assessment test requires that you are able to raise one hand to shoulder height. That's it. Everything else is irrelevant.
I want him to have my tax money .
Hi Nev which court did you go to. I am going through the same thing and want to go to court. Someone needs to start a class action against these people.
And this was done by someone who has no qualifications what so ever.
I had one single peak flow test on my assessment. The examiner said it was fine but on the report it said client unable to provide proper peak flow result. If that was the case why not just ask me to do it again? Anyway my benefits were reduced accordingly and I was declared fit for work.
It should be legal for anyone to record your personal assessment , over the years I've had to appeal my decisions pretty much every time, and I noticed that things hadn't been written as I'd said in the interview , which contradicted what I'd written myself in my first form. I also had a assessment where the nurse said she knew nothing of my condition, yet was able to assess me ?? The appeals have been granted every time , but it took more money for the government to go threw such cases. I don't understand why our own GPs that see us on a regular basis can't grant them information on our consent . 20 mins in an interview where some of us can't remember things, get confused and even stumble on words ( infact the words just don't come 🙄) , or stumble on stairs even flat ground, how can they judge us on 20mins ?? Some of us have random attacks of symptoms during a week brought on by nothing or something , no pattern. Yet if you walk in and out your arms up basically you've failed your interview ? (Sorry that's how it's felt in the past), my daughter has sever anxiety so she got her interview at home , but because she was more relaxed at home with me sitting with her, she wasn't bad enough to pass her interview?? Yet getting her. Outside is a huge step, and she always is accompanied by someone , and will still crumble and freak out when not expected . Even in the interview she couldn't count when asked her mind was blank ( she starts to shut down with stress). Yet her paper said she could count perfectly , and could converse perfectly ? She didn't understand most of what the nurse said, her dyslexia means to her everything has to be worded in simple terms or she gets overloaded. Yeah they need an overhaul of their system cause it's not working fairly for ppl !!
They lied a ton on mine just wish I had the forthought to record it
thnkfully my husband had an intensive care nurse. Got high carepip. was extreemly traumatic waiting results
My daughter has had epilepsy for 10 years they have done the same in her pip interview totally different answers to what we gave! And have stopped half her benefit...
The assessor should go to prison for fraud.
They refused my claim , right up to tribunal.
I did not once have a verbal conversation nor consultation.
My PIPs assessment was done by a girl guide with a first aid badge. Apparently her views override those of my GP and a consultant psychiatrist. I can only surmise that a "first aid badge" must be one hell of a qualification.
My PIP assessment was done by a St John's ambulance officer ...she lied about what I had said but three years later I won at tribunal....
i have had 4 f2f for dla and when it changed to pip 3,everyone i was refused but at tribunal i won every one.in 2019 november i had another pip f2f assessment,this i purchased the equipment and recorded it,and this time got my pip without having to take it to tribunal. i wonder if it was because i recorded it.....i think so,as my illnessess were exactly the same as the first dla claim i did.
So true Francis and it will happen.
hi i give pip advice for charity, you can legaly record the pip assesments but you have to let them know befor the assesment, you need twin tape recorders like the ones cops use, give the assesor one copy keep the other, ive sat in on a few assesments and the dwp still lie, commit fruad, and one time denighed the assesment on tape happened, most cases are won at tribunal over 75% so fight fight all the way, seek out the meny help groups like fight back and disabilty rights uk,, get you mp involved,
i had a bike accident smashed my wrist and was in hospital bed ridden ,i had surgery on the wrist and was under general aneasthetic , i had a full arm plaster on my arm from wrist to shoulder ,8 weeks later when they cut it off the nurse told me it was the heaviest and thickest plaster she,d ever seen lol , my pip assessment was a friendly affair but rejected and even for that 8 week period i was told i was available for work lmao , even the dwp guy looked sheepish as he told me , now i know its not lung cancer but even so i was hardly up to work whilst in a full arm cast , with broken ribs and the skin from most of my leg ripped off , i didnt push the issue because whats the point ,i wouldnt have been successful
This is what happened to my neighbour who had just lost her mum also she had anorexia and depression they took her car and slashed her money saying she could work when she couldn’t that happened in the April a few years ago by December she was dead and that woman had worked all her life since she was 17 she worked hard they killed her
My story under a tori government
My autistic son has been on dla since age 4 now 17 had to transfer to pip
Filled in the forms with a true reflection of our son and looking at the marking form they use we should have been awarded it but of course refused it.
It's clear what we put down is not believed
Government targets come first while they pay big companies to do the assessments and the people with conditions suffer
We went all the way to the tribunal where my son had to sit in front of a judge a doctor and someone else and answer questions like
Do you have a playstation can you read and understand instructions for them
Son doesn't know what to say so says yes
(No one reads the instructions)
Are you doing driving lessons yes
What the don't know is his dad is his instructor
What would he do if his guitar strings snap
His mum got them sorted he is not going to tell them this
Subjects at school oh your doing well
he does subjects that suits his needs with limited theory he won't say this
Of course we lost the case
This is a horrible thing to go through for anyone nevermind a autistic kid
Oh and we had money matters help us with this and guess what he works in the same building (alarm bells) and he went through the form and said he doesn't see why he has not got it and in no way did he prepare us for this if anything we where lead to believe it would be ok
On a final note if you are diagnosed autistic it's a life long condition not just for the short term (so our son is not healed)
His mum who is not in the best of health is in a state because she blames herself for not being successful with this
Sooner the Tories are out the better they have never been good for the lower class and never will
Tommy Neil I’m so sorry. I know a few people with autism and it can be hell. One friend seemed “normal” most of the time. But that only made their little moments stand out more.
Tommy Neil sorry to hear this but labour introduced the work capability assessments
Part of the problems with PIP and ATOS is who they employ to do the job, ATOS had a doctor working for them who was struck off and banned from practicing medicine in the UK, but because he lived in france and traveled over for work he got around that ban for a while until found out. They also have physiotherapists doing health assements for mental and physical problems. that means you have people making medical assesments on conditions they are NOT qualified or even trained to work with. These companies by law mys be required to send some one who is qualified in Cancer, Heart, Mental health problems to assess those conditions. You would not ask a St Johns ambulance person to perform surgery, so how can they do it to deal with benifits and life changing medical and health problems
the biggest problem here is the outside company conducting the test,they obviously have targets to meet as regards to dwp contracts its the same as people who need to sign on for benefits, i know of someone who was unemployed and signing on, there first time ever doing so in a 40 year working life,his advisor actually warned him one day that higher level managment had taken the advisors in and told them they needed to cut at least 4 people a week through sanctions etc, the advisor told my friend to make sure eveything was perfect on his job searches etc so they had no excuse to harras him while we know others that have been on benefits for years nothing wrong with them etc and got cars,private lets the works! the dwp is shocking the worst goverment dept!
Ned you are absolutely correct in doing this because they are not recording Dara accurately. They stated I was able to walk perfectly and was observed doing so for 200 yards, impossible and a lie. Within northern Ireland we have no government minister despite this being one of the largest government departments in the UK. DFC told me they never bothered to record key personal data. Capita did not record my data properly and refused an investigation. Sort of makes disabled people feel like second class citizens doesn't it. Yet recipients of RHI boiler scheme recipients are protected by human rights legislation. What us also amazing is that me and you are also funding a RHI enquiry which will cost millions. What an insult to the disabled of the UK.
This is a problem that needs addressing. My assessment report was also untrue to what I had said in the interview. It was like I was reading someone else's. Still waiting on a mandatory reconsideration months later. I wish I had taped it...I will next time.
And how many people has this happened too before....DISGUSTING.
How tf can it be illegal to record a conversation in your own house? She went into his home not knowing what kind of cameras might be there and still saw fit to be there of her own accord. That’s disgusting. You should have the right to protect yourself, and to do things like this man has, in his own house.
Dousnt it say at beginning of all calls there recorded for training and security purposes?!
I was the same put throw the mill .after bowel surgery. And told a peck of lies,he was so hateful. And his arrogance unbelievable. He left me in tear when we got his report we couldn’t believe that a doctor would do this to a cancer patient is disgraceful.
They lied about my mums said she could bend over and touch her toes, she couldn’t even do that before she had cancer. The assessor also tried to physically force her thumbs to bend which was very painful as they are straight and don’t bend due to arthritis.
On mine i was asked about planning a journey , this is the question that gives them the right to halve your mobility money ( from high rate to standard) , what planning a journey has to do with your walking problems is bogus , the sneaky DWP invented this question to take money of most of the claimants . I had a so called lady doctor who was in fact a so called nurse that had been so called trained to do these tests . They are done to take money of most claimants and these fake doctors receive 30 pounds for each claimant they fail , i know because i know a DWP government doctor who secretly tells me what the snaeky government is forcing the DWP to do to save money . IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW ILL OR DISABLED YOU ARE ITS ALL ABOUT THIS GOVERNMENT SAVING BENEFIT MONEY. Fack the Tories look at this universal credit crap they are forcing on people. Fack em all the no good pieces of dog zhit.
steve vye labour brought in the assessments to be honest
Thanku for doing ur vid. I recorded mine on sun
I'm nearly 60 years old and have worked full time for nearly all of the 44 years since I left school. Over those years some patterns have emerged. There has been a fairly constant campaign to target those who abuse the welfare system and that's as it should be. Curiously, over the years, there has always been a large unclaimed surplus of benefits. This has often been several times the magnitude of the estimated fraud losses but I've yet to hear of the powers that be going to any lengths to correct that.
In my time I've occasionally had the misfortune to have to claim various benefits, such as unemployment benefit, rent rebate etc. I find it difficult to recall many of those instances when my claims weren't screwed up at some point or I was told point blank I wasn't entitled to a benefit when I knew I was. In the early 80's I used some of the time I had available to me through unemployment by helping out at a claimants union. That was an eye opener and taught me a few things. I find it impossible, having gone through those experiences, to believe there isn't a co-ordinated approach to deny benefits payments at any opportunity that exists to this day.
Ppl should name and shame the person who does there assessment, as they don't give a fcuk, so name and shame them all
I requested assessment report,and there are lies on every page and some answers are not even mentioned 😡
What you say to them and what comes back are two totally different things!