This video was a pain in the you know what to make, so many little annoying things kept happening around me 😬😤 but I did it! Enjoy! Let me know what you think & please like/subscribe to help me out, thank you 🤘🏻🔥
Brother I didn't know you had this type of content, huge fan of Ivalice and it's related media and love Final Fantasy as well. Gonna have to peep the backlog and see what videos I am missin out on
One of the details about the cataclysm is that its a flood. There is a woman in the Giza plains during wet season and she's a bit creepy being the only npc on that location. When you talk to her she wished for a great flood that covers Ivalice. In the game if you where able to done enough quickening it would perform an attack called cataclysm which has a water animation(although its a non elemetal attack). The events between the Golden age era and medieval era of Ivalice is very underrated. Between those times they can make another FF spin-off that take place in Ivalice. Also a question comes to mind; will FF16's ending be a great cataclysm since it involves icon(another name for summons/espers). It also hints about destroying the crystal which in typical FF games hold balance to the world.
Considering the producer of FFXVI is a fan of the Ivalice narrative even incorporating Ivalice into his world, Eorzea (XIV) it is quite possible that Valisthea has connections to Ivalice or at least hints. XVI definitely has connections to XIV at least in reference to the mother crystals.
It feels quite biblical, really, with a fantasy spin. Earth has multiple fantastical races, Jesus is born, gets betrayed, the Great Flood happens and then it's just us humans. That could be the angle they were going for. There's another theory that the main cast in FF12 eventually got possessed and caused the Cataclysm. In FFT, hosting a single lucavi turns you into a complete monster. The FF12 party hosted like 2+ each. Perhaps they were granted eternal life until Ultima's resurrection? Also there's the super cool factor that, while the above theory is likely false, the FF12 party might have indirectly caused it anyway. By stopping the Occuria and "unsealing" the Espers/Lucavi, the 12-gang set the stage for FFT and subsequently Vagrant Story, the world becoming more and more of a corrupt inquisitorial nightmare. Maybe the Occuria were right.
@@ghoxxalla Yeah FF12 gang did cause something for the future or atleast hinted at but I doubt they turned into monsters since we got Balthier in FFT. However, I do think Venat might have been right. FF14 used the name Venat again and her plans was good but at a major cost which to some characters in that game they consider it bad. So similarly FF12's Venat might have had a good will for the people but it is left for us to interpret. I brought up FF14 since Yoshi P had worked with the people who created the Ivalice world and FF series likes to call back to what came before.
@@conathlnzo8126 Yeah I don't much subscribe to that particular one. I prefer the classic detail of "giving humans full control of their destinies may not always be the brightest idea since we adore beating the snot out of each other". I love how, while FF12/T have a strong message of freedom, the idea when you consider FFT Ivalice's condition is closer to "Maybe tyranny's not so bad, because we can be much worse". I can talk about this all day, I adore this setting!
@@ghoxxalla honestly even if its human or not who hands them their destiny(in ivalice context). Its always gonna have problems that causes misery but growing out of those and be better is the best outcome. Anyway its hinted at in a FFT game from gameboy or somwhere that Ivalice became like our world in the end without the fantasy. I totally agree that Ivalice is interesting to talk about and one of the best worlds in FF.
Thanks dude. Yeah this never took off at all unfortunately. Maybe one day I’ll come back to Final Fantasy since I LOVE the series but alas it’s hard to break into it. Thank you though for watching.
@@EndymionTv I'm replaying all the Ivalice games because of your video, you helped me understand it and made me realize how good they're and the potential of what could be made, your idea of how a new game should be set in the middle of the timeline is excellent.
There's just one thing that punches a hole in this "Ajora being the Cataclysm" theory though... The Germonik/Germonique scriptures in Final Fantasy Tactics (PS) and War of the Lions (PSP). I recommend giving that key item a read in full after fighting Izlude and Weigraf at Orbonne Monastery. Other than Final Fantasy 12 and Tactics, there may be other clues to the Cataclysm in Revenant Wings, Vagrant Story, Tactics Advance, and/or Tactics A2.
One other thing... The Occuria would not be upset if Venat were to be somehow killed. When giving Ashe the Treaty Blade, they *INSTRUCTED* her to destroy Venat, as the other Occuria branded Venat as a heretic. If Venat were to become somehow "human" and killed... the rest of the Occuria would not likely shed any tears over it. Even so... Ashe and company did betray the Occuria by destroying the Sun Cryst instead of just cutting shards from it. That event led to the rise of the Bahamut airship... and it also leads into the events of Revenant Wings, the sequel to 12 that I have played a little bit, but haven't completed yet.
In the beginning of Revenant Wings, Balthier finds something called the "Cache of Glabados", auracite crystals that have ties to the Esper Realm... I don't yet know how that story ends... but when Balthier appears in War of the Lions, he is looking for the Cache of Glabados again, saying that the first time he found it led to him finding himself in Ramza's Ivalice.
This is a huge stretch, and doesn't make sense. The only thing that can possibly be true about this is the Occurians lost their grip in the mortal realm and mankind had its way "being the master of their own fate" as Venat stated, then eventually mankind self destructed by tapping into something they know little about much like the Occurians are trying to prevent.
Ashe is ajora or alma , and ramza is the prince and vann. They just seperate the body mind and spirit so you can play the game longer, but i beat the games so fast they have to keep adjusting it cuz no one likes playing games i guess thyre to scary and difficult. Good thing is once you start playing you dont finish until u die.
It was FF12 were I tapped out from gaming as a whole for it just wasn't interesting anymore for I got very choosy when it came to what I play nowadays.
This video was a pain in the you know what to make, so many little annoying things kept happening around me 😬😤 but I did it! Enjoy! Let me know what you think & please like/subscribe to help me out, thank you 🤘🏻🔥
Brother I didn't know you had this type of content, huge fan of Ivalice and it's related media and love Final Fantasy as well. Gonna have to peep the backlog and see what videos I am missin out on
One of the details about the cataclysm is that its a flood. There is a woman in the Giza plains during wet season and she's a bit creepy being the only npc on that location. When you talk to her she wished for a great flood that covers Ivalice. In the game if you where able to done enough quickening it would perform an attack called cataclysm which has a water animation(although its a non elemetal attack). The events between the Golden age era and medieval era of Ivalice is very underrated. Between those times they can make another FF spin-off that take place in Ivalice. Also a question comes to mind; will FF16's ending be a great cataclysm since it involves icon(another name for summons/espers). It also hints about destroying the crystal which in typical FF games hold balance to the world.
Considering the producer of FFXVI is a fan of the Ivalice narrative even incorporating Ivalice into his world, Eorzea (XIV) it is quite possible that Valisthea has connections to Ivalice or at least hints. XVI definitely has connections to XIV at least in reference to the mother crystals.
It feels quite biblical, really, with a fantasy spin. Earth has multiple fantastical races, Jesus is born, gets betrayed, the Great Flood happens and then it's just us humans. That could be the angle they were going for.
There's another theory that the main cast in FF12 eventually got possessed and caused the Cataclysm. In FFT, hosting a single lucavi turns you into a complete monster. The FF12 party hosted like 2+ each. Perhaps they were granted eternal life until Ultima's resurrection?
Also there's the super cool factor that, while the above theory is likely false, the FF12 party might have indirectly caused it anyway. By stopping the Occuria and "unsealing" the Espers/Lucavi, the 12-gang set the stage for FFT and subsequently Vagrant Story, the world becoming more and more of a corrupt inquisitorial nightmare. Maybe the Occuria were right.
@@ghoxxalla Yeah FF12 gang did cause something for the future or atleast hinted at but I doubt they turned into monsters since we got Balthier in FFT. However, I do think Venat might have been right. FF14 used the name Venat again and her plans was good but at a major cost which to some characters in that game they consider it bad. So similarly FF12's Venat might have had a good will for the people but it is left for us to interpret. I brought up FF14 since Yoshi P had worked with the people who created the Ivalice world and FF series likes to call back to what came before.
@@conathlnzo8126 Yeah I don't much subscribe to that particular one. I prefer the classic detail of "giving humans full control of their destinies may not always be the brightest idea since we adore beating the snot out of each other".
I love how, while FF12/T have a strong message of freedom, the idea when you consider FFT Ivalice's condition is closer to "Maybe tyranny's not so bad, because we can be much worse". I can talk about this all day, I adore this setting!
@@ghoxxalla honestly even if its human or not who hands them their destiny(in ivalice context). Its always gonna have problems that causes misery but growing out of those and be better is the best outcome. Anyway its hinted at in a FFT game from gameboy or somwhere that Ivalice became like our world in the end without the fantasy. I totally agree that Ivalice is interesting to talk about and one of the best worlds in FF.
The view count on this video is criminal, this was so well made.
Thanks dude. Yeah this never took off at all unfortunately. Maybe one day I’ll come back to Final Fantasy since I LOVE the series but alas it’s hard to break into it. Thank you though for watching.
@@EndymionTv I'm replaying all the Ivalice games because of your video, you helped me understand it and made me realize how good they're and the potential of what could be made, your idea of how a new game should be set in the middle of the timeline is excellent.
The manual of tactics advance also hints that the cataclysm was a flood.
There's just one thing that punches a hole in this "Ajora being the Cataclysm" theory though... The Germonik/Germonique scriptures in Final Fantasy Tactics (PS) and War of the Lions (PSP). I recommend giving that key item a read in full after fighting Izlude and Weigraf at Orbonne Monastery. Other than Final Fantasy 12 and Tactics, there may be other clues to the Cataclysm in Revenant Wings, Vagrant Story, Tactics Advance, and/or Tactics A2.
One other thing... The Occuria would not be upset if Venat were to be somehow killed. When giving Ashe the Treaty Blade, they *INSTRUCTED* her to destroy Venat, as the other Occuria branded Venat as a heretic. If Venat were to become somehow "human" and killed... the rest of the Occuria would not likely shed any tears over it. Even so... Ashe and company did betray the Occuria by destroying the Sun Cryst instead of just cutting shards from it. That event led to the rise of the Bahamut airship... and it also leads into the events of Revenant Wings, the sequel to 12 that I have played a little bit, but haven't completed yet.
In the beginning of Revenant Wings, Balthier finds something called the "Cache of Glabados", auracite crystals that have ties to the Esper Realm... I don't yet know how that story ends... but when Balthier appears in War of the Lions, he is looking for the Cache of Glabados again, saying that the first time he found it led to him finding himself in Ramza's Ivalice.
WOW how can you leave out Vagrant Story >.>😐
OH MY GOD I MISSED THIS GAME SO MUCH!
You forgot to mention that the final battle in FFT took place in the Airship Graveyard...
I wish we had a Final Fantasy 12 sequel about the destruction of Ivalice.
Yes please we need that game
Ultima and Venat are two different entities. Your theory of Venat becoming Ajora can't be true if Ajora was the vessel for Ultima
I wish you would do more videos like this again
This is a huge stretch, and doesn't make sense. The only thing that can possibly be true about this is the Occurians lost their grip in the mortal realm and mankind had its way "being the master of their own fate" as Venat stated, then eventually mankind self destructed by tapping into something they know little about much like the Occurians are trying to prevent.
I like to think that the viera lived on they just kept to the wood.
i hope that one day they will set a game in ivalice again
Could there be a clue in ff12 revenant wings?
Replaying tactics and 12. Such good lore!
Ashe is ajora or alma , and ramza is the prince and vann. They just seperate the body mind and spirit so you can play the game longer, but i beat the games so fast they have to keep adjusting it cuz no one likes playing games i guess thyre to scary and difficult. Good thing is once you start playing you dont finish until u die.
This is great! thank you subbing
It was FF12 were I tapped out from gaming as a whole for it just wasn't interesting anymore for I got very choosy when it came to what I play nowadays.
There is so much incorrect in this I don't know where to begin.
Me and my brother keep talking about this, its sand that all we did FFXII was for nothing.
This is why I want this plot line addressed, it’s a gaping hole of mystery that needs to be explored!
@@EndymionTv Agreed, hopefully we will one day get at least a side story of it if not the whole game.
i like what you doing
Thank you